Turkey Backs Russian-Iranian Plan For Syrian Safe Zones – U.S. Responds By Arming Kurds

The U.S. plans to arm a Kurdish militia in Syria with heavy weaponry, a move likely made to provoke Turkey over its planned establishment of “safe zones” in Syria. The militia has ties to a group that has been previously described by the U.S. and Turkey as a terrorist organization.
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    WASHINGTON, D.C.– On Tuesday, President Donald Trump continued to mimic the Obama administration’s stance on Syria by approving a plan to arm the Syrian Kurdish militia known as the People’s Protection Units (YPG).

    Little is known about the details of the plan, other than that it will involve the delivery of heavy weaponry to the YPG. Information on what type of weapons will be provided and how they will be delivered has not been made public. A U.S. official told NBC News that Trump’s approval would allow “the process to begin to function.”

    While the U.S. has armed the Kurds with “lighter” weaponry in the past, this new move has already incensed the Turkish government, which considers the YPG to be an affiliate of the Kurdistan’s Worker Party (PKK), an organization described by both Turkey and the U.S. as a terrorist organization. Turkey repeatedly bombed the YPG in the past for this very reason.



    However, for much of the length of the Syrian conflict, the U.S. has supported the YPG, one of the few non-government militias active in Syria that has been successful in fighting against Daesh (ISIS).

    White House Press Secretary Spicer Confirms Plan to Send Arms to Kurds:

    The latest U.S. plan to arm the YPG, though ostensibly targeting an upcoming offensive that is expected to take place in the city of Raqqa, is likely a form of retaliation against Turkey for its recent role in brokering a new de-escalation strategy in Syria with U.S. nemeses Russia and Iran.

    Turkey adopted a memorandum that creates several de-escalation zones, or “safe zones,” less than a week prior to Trump’s decision to arm the Kurds with heavy weaponry. Russia announced soon after that the “safe zones” would be closed to U.S. coalition jets.

    “In the de-escalation zones, aviation operations — especially by the forces of the international coalition forces — are absolutely not envisaged, with or without prior notification. This question is closed,” Russian envoy Aleksandr Lavrentyev stated on May 5. That same day, Pentagon spokesman Major Adrian J.T. Rankine-Galloway stated that “the coalition will continue to target [IS militants] wherever they operate to ensure they have no sanctuary,” even if militants are inside the safe zones.

    While the U.S. has cautiously agreed to the creation of the safe zones, past ceasefires or de-escalation strategies have fallen apart due to the interference of the U.S. and its allies.

    Considering the current U.S. enmity toward both Russia and Iran, it is unlikely that Turkey’s decision to broker the safe zone agreement went unnoticed by Washington. The U.S.’ decision to arm the YPG is likely a “tit for tat” move intended as an ultimatum to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, asking him to choose between U.S. and Russian interests in the region.

    Turkey’s reaction so far indicates that it is starting to make that choice, as it is now pondering the end of its “strategic partnership” with the U.S.

    Nurettin Canikli, a Turkish deputy prime minister, said on Wednesday that Turkey “cannot accept the presence of terrorist organizations that would threaten the future of the Turkish state.

    We hope the U.S. administration will put a stop to this wrong and turn back from it. Such a policy will not be beneficial, you can’t be in the same sack as terrorist organizations.”

    Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs Mevlut Cavusoglu echoed these sentiments, stating that “both the PKK and the YPG are terrorist organizations and they are no different, apart from their names. Every weapon seized by them is a threat to Turkey.”

    Erdogan also offered his own condemnation on Wednesday, demanding that the U.S. immediately reverse its decision. His response was not altogether surprising, as he has previously registered his disapproval of the U.S.’ interactions with the YPG. In one instance, he issued an ultimatum to former President Barack Obama following a meeting between a U.S. official and YPG leadership. Erdogan demanded that Obama choose between having either Turkey or the “terrorists” as an ally.

    Trump’s approval of the plan is highly likely to overshadow his first face-to-face meeting with Erdogan, which is scheduled to take place next week.

    The U.S. has claimed that it will risk provoking Turkey’s ire in order to ensure the victory of Kurdish forces in Raqqa – often recognized as the de facto capital of Daesh. “The (Syrian Democratic Force), partnered with enabling support from U.S. and coalition forces, are the only force on the ground that can successfully seize Raqqa in the near future,” chief Pentagon spokesperson Dana White said in a Tuesday statement.

    The Syrian Democratic Force (SDF), a militia coalition in which the YPG is the dominant force, has been encircling Raqqa with the aid of U.S. support for months. The U.S. has made it clear that the SDF – and their recently created governing council – will inherit control of Raqqa following its “liberation” from Daesh with likely support from U.S. ground troops. The Raqqa initiative, while framed as a battle to liberate the city from Daesh, is much more strongly related to the U.S.’ and Israel’s long-standing plans to divide Syria.

    If the U.S. continues to move forward with this strategy, Turkey will likely respond by ending its alliance with the United States as Ankara would clearly never support an autonomous region governed by Kurds near their southern border.

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    • tapatio

      THIS IS WHAT JAMES WHERRY WAS TRYING TO PUSH DOWN IN THE DISCUSSION WITH HIS SPAM……..

      Global Warfare: “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran”
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166

      A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (1996)
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

      “Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right”

      AND

      Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century (2000)
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

      “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor (9/11 – PERFECTION). Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.” (p 63)

      AMERICA’S “RASPUTINS” RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING THE LAST 15 YEARS OF DEATH – JEWISH ZIONISTS ALL……………

      CLEAN BREAK

      Richard perle

      REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

      Paul Wolfowitz
      William Kristol
      Alvin Bernstein
      Eliot Cohen
      David Epstein
      Donald Kagan
      Fred Kagan
      Robert Kagan
      Robert Killebrew
      Steve Rosen
      Gary Schmitt
      Abram Shulsky
      Dov Zakheim

      EVERY ONE OF THE TRAITORS LISTED ABOVE (except Robert Killebrew) IS A JEWISH DUAL ISRAELI/US CITIZEN – YET NEITHER THEY OR ANY OF THEIR ANCESTORS CAME FROM PALESTINE..

    • tapatio

      THE CREDIBILITY OF US ARMY MAJOR JAMES “PEDERAST” WHERRY (whose Zionist hate mongering is below) A SELF-STYLED “CHRISTIAN” ZIONIST (How can any human claim to follow Christ and promote the crimes of Zionism?) TROLL IN THE EMPLOY OF ISRAEL CAN BE JUDGED FROM WHAT HE IS…………………………

      JAMES WHERRY WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO USE HIS NAME AND A PHOTO THAT COULD BE TRACED. TURNS OUT THAT HE IS……………..

      1 A SELF-STYLED “CHRISTIAN” ZIONIST. THESE, AH, PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT, ONCE ALL OF THE JEWS ARE GATHERED IN PALESTINE, SOMETHING CALLED “ARMAGEDDON” WILL HAPPEN AND ALL OF THE “CHRISTIAN” ZIONISTS WILL BE WHISKED UP TO HEAVEN WITH THEIR BODIES INTACT IN THE HOLY 0RGASM THEY CALL THE “RAPTURE”. NOBODY HAS EVER EXPLAINED TO THE OTHER 99% OF CHRISTIANITY HOW THESE FUNDAMENTALISTS WHACK-A-MOLES CAN BELIEVE THAT JESUS OR HIS DAD WOULD EVER SUPPORT SUCH FANTASIES OR THE CRIMES SUPPORTED BY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS.

      2) A MAJOR IN THE US ARMY FROM “CIVIL AFFAIRS”. BABY-BOOMERS MIGHT RECALL THAT “CIVIL AFFAIRS” WAS PROMINENT IN THE “PHOENIX PROGRAM” IN VIETNAM……..THOSE WONDERFUL FOLKS WHO TOLD THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE, “LOVE AMERICA OR WE’LL NAPALM YOUR VILLAGE.” WHERRY HAS ALSO BRAGGED ABOUT HELPING TO TRAIN THE STATE TERRORISTS OF UGANDA.

      3) A “GAY” PREDATOR THAT BOUGHT A BOY FROM THE PHILIPPINE SLUMS TO USE AS HIS SXX TOY. PRESUMABLY, THIS BOY HAS PAPERS CLAIMING THAT HE IS OF AGE. BUT, HE COULD PASS FOR A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL KID AND YOU CAN HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR $100..
      https://www.facebook.com/james.wherry.39

      http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article29462263.html

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtrbvD22CEQ

    • James Wherry

      Looks like Iran is after its “7 countries in 5 years.”

      “How Iran Is Taking Over the Middle East”
      The Fiscal Times, By Riyadh Mohammed
      March 18, 2015
      http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/18/How-Iran-Taking-Over-Middle-East

      “The bloody battle in Yemen shows Iran is intent on dominating
      the Middle East”
      Graeme Lamb, 2 September 2016
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/02/the-bloody-battle-in-yemen-shows-iran-is-intent-on-dominion/

      “Iranian Plans to Take Over Syria”
      May 5, 2013
      http://beforeitsnews.com/middle-east/2013/05/iranian-plans-to-take-over-syria-2451206.html

      “Iran’s Plans to Take Over Syria”
      5 May 2013
      http://jcpa.org/article/irans-plans-to-take-over-syria/

    • James Wherry

      Looks like Iran is setting up its long game to continue terrorism.

      1. U.S. District Court finds Iran directed attack on U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

      2. Iranian Harassment of our ships at sea.
      http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/09/politics/us-iran-warning-shots/

      3. Iran mines international shipping lanes.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

      And they’re at it, again: https://news.usni.org/2012/07/17/iranian-mines-strait-hormuz-not-showstoppers

      4. Iran supports jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan to murder U.S. service members.

      We know Iran supported and built ISIS.

      1. IRAN supported ISIL’s fore-runner, AQI leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to murder U.S. Americans
      http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-sponsored-isil-founder-sheltered-him-from-u-s/

      “Iran long provided shelter and protection to the founder and former commander of al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the predecessor to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), which rose to power due in large part to Tehran’s support, according to multiple intelligence reports and outside experts.

      See also: “http://www2.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/AlQaeda

      “What ISIS Owes Iran.”
      http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=3080

      2. SYRIA: Assad buys oil from ISIS and attacks ISIS’ enemies, instead of attacking ISIS. Assad helped violent extremist enter Iraq through Syria to murder our Soldiers – that TAPATIO also hates.

      “Syria: Isis advance on Aleppo aided by Assad regime air strikes, US says”
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/02/syria-isis-advance-on-aleppo-aided-by-assad-regime-air-strikes-us-says

      And SYRIA helped create ISIL.
      http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631

      Syria is DIRECTLY supporting ISIL.
      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-syrias-assad-directly-supporting-isis/article/2565466h

      http://www.infowars.com/israel-supports-jihadists-isis-in-syria/

      https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4506390/syria-support-isis

    • Americans are too dumb to realize a simple truth that interventionism never pays.
      They pay taxes, and the money is going to be gone for something not necessary, and they are just getting poorer than before.
      Then they vote again for someone who conducts war just as his/her predecessor did.
      Never learn.

      • James Wherry

        Intervention in the right circumstances may be appropriate: if Genocide is taking place in Rwanda, do you think we were better off, not getting involved to stop it? It must be done with multiple nations and with international sanction and authority, but if President Clinton had dove in, I believe the world would have supported him. He did so with NATO in Serbia and in Kosovo and it worked – and no one condemns him for stopping the Genocide of Kosovar Muslims.

    • tapatio

      BELOW IS PROOF THAT THE TERRORIST ATTACK ON SYRIA ORIGINATED WITH JEWS – ZIONISTS POSING AS AMERICANS.

      Global Warfare: “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran”
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166

      A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (1996)
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

      “Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right”

      AND

      Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century (2000)
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

      “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor (9/11 – PERFECTION). Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.” (p 63)

      AMERICA’S “RASPUTINS” RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING THE LAST 15 YEARS OF DEATH – JEWISH ZIONISTS ALL……………

      CLEAN BREAK

      Richard perle

      REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

      Paul Wolfowitz
      William Kristol
      Alvin Bernstein
      Eliot Cohen
      David Epstein
      Donald Kagan
      Fred Kagan
      Robert Kagan
      Robert Killebrew
      Steve Rosen
      Gary Schmitt
      Abram Shulsky
      Dov Zakheim

      EVERY ONE OF THE TRAITORS LISTED ABOVE (except Robert Killebrew) IS A JEWISH DUAL ISRAELI/US CITIZEN – YET NEITHER THEY OR ANY OF THEIR ANCESTORS CAME FROM PALESTINE..

      • tapatio

        THE CREDIBILITY OF US ARMY MAJOR JAMES “PEDERAST” WHERRY (whose Zionist hate mongering is below) A SELF-STYLED “CHRISTIAN” ZIONIST (How can any human claim to follow Christ and promote the crimes of Zionism?) TROLL IN THE EMPLOY OF ISRAEL CAN BE JUDGED FROM WHAT HE IS…………………………

        JAMES WHERRY WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO USE HIS NAME AND A PHOTO THAT COULD BE TRACED. TURNS OUT THAT HE IS……………..

        1 A SELF-STYLED “CHRISTIAN” ZIONIST. THESE, AH, PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT, ONCE ALL OF THE JEWS ARE GATHERED IN PALESTINE, SOMETHING CALLED “ARMAGEDDON” WILL HAPPEN AND ALL OF THE “CHRISTIAN” ZIONISTS WILL BE WHISKED UP TO HEAVEN WITH THEIR BODIES INTACT IN THE HOLY 0RGASM THEY CALL THE “RAPTURE”. NOBODY HAS EVER EXPLAINED TO THE OTHER 99% OF CHRISTIANITY HOW THESE FUNDAMENTALISTS WHACK-A-MOLES CAN BELIEVE THAT JESUS OR HIS DAD WOULD EVER SUPPORT SUCH FANTASIES OR THE CRIMES SUPPORTED BY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS.

        2) A MAJOR IN THE US ARMY FROM “CIVIL AFFAIRS”. BABY-BOOMERS MIGHT RECALL THAT “CIVIL AFFAIRS” WAS PROMINENT IN THE “PHOENIX PROGRAM” IN VIETNAM……..THOSE WONDERFUL FOLKS WHO TOLD THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE, “LOVE AMERICA OR WE’LL NAPALM YOUR VILLAGE.” WHERRY HAS ALSO BRAGGED ABOUT HELPING TO TRAIN THE STATE TERRORISTS OF UGANDA.

        3) A “GAY” PREDATOR THAT BOUGHT A BOY FROM THE PHILIPPINE SLUMS TO USE AS HIS SXX TOY. PRESUMABLY, THIS BOY HAS PAPERS CLAIMING THAT HE IS OF AGE. BUT, HE COULD PASS FOR A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL KID AND YOU CAN HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR $100..

        https://www.facebook.com/james.wherry.39

        http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article29462263.html

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtrbvD22CEQ

      • James Wherry

        Your list is proof of nothing, other than a 21+ year old article that has no basis in reality. I’ve disproven it, below, several times on this very same thread. You simply hate the United States and want to “Blame America” for Iran and Syria’s crimes in the middle east because you hate the JEWS and want them DEAD, and America supports Israel and its right to exist. Happy to disappoint you:

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6bb7c64decffc2de77ecbb3602013025fcf67e7c3ae58550209fb58d2d97b4ba.jpg

    • James Wherry

      Looks like Iran is setting up its long game to continue terrorism.

      1. U.S. District Court finds Iran directed attack on U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings

      2. Iranian Harassment of our ships at sea.
      http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/09/politics/us-iran-warning-shots/

      3. Iran mines international shipping lanes.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis

      And they’re at it, again: https://news.usni.org/2012/07/17/iranian-mines-strait-hormuz-not-showstoppers

      4. Iran supports jihadists in Iraq and Afghanistan to murder U.S. service members.

      We know Iran supported and built ISIS.

      1. IRAN supported ISIL’s fore-runner, AQI leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to murder U.S. Americans
      http://freebeacon.com/national-security/iran-sponsored-isil-founder-sheltered-him-from-u-s/

      “Iran long provided shelter and protection to the founder and former commander of al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the predecessor to Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), which rose to power due in large part to Tehran’s support, according to multiple intelligence reports and outside experts.

      See also: “http://www2.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/AlQaeda

      “What ISIS Owes Iran.”
      http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=3080

      2. SYRIA: Assad buys oil from ISIS and attacks ISIS’ enemies, instead of attacking ISIS. Assad helped violent extremist enter Iraq through Syria to murder our Soldiers – that TAPATIO also hates.

      “Syria: Isis advance on Aleppo aided by Assad regime air strikes, US says”
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/02/syria-isis-advance-on-aleppo-aided-by-assad-regime-air-strikes-us-says

      And SYRIA helped create ISIL.
      http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631

      Syria is DIRECTLY supporting ISIL.
      http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/state-syrias-assad-directly-supporting-isis/article/2565466h

      http://www.infowars.com/israel-supports-jihadists-isis-in-syria/

      https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4506390/syria-support-isis

    • James Wherry

      It appears that Iran is enacting its “7 countries in 5 years” plan. It has terrorists operating in Iraq, Yemen, Sa’udi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Bahrain and Israel to destroy those nations and enable Iran to enslave the entire middle east.

      “How Iran Is Taking Over the Middle East”
      The Fiscal Times, By Riyadh Mohammed
      March 18, 2015
      http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/18/How-Iran-Taking-Over-Middle-East

      “The bloody battle in Yemen shows Iran is intent on dominating
      the Middle East”
      Graeme Lamb, 2 September 2016
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/02/the-bloody-battle-in-yemen-shows-iran-is-intent-on-dominion/

      “Iranian Plans to Take Over Syria”
      May 5, 2013
      http://beforeitsnews.com/middle-east/2013/05/iranian-plans-to-take-over-syria-2451206.html

      “Iran’s Plans to Take Over Syria”
      5 May 2013
      http://jcpa.org/article/irans-plans-to-take-over-syria/

    • Mikronos

      Syrian Kurds are still called Peshmerga and are still on the US list of “world terrorists”. The decision to supply them with heavy weapons – like supplying Iran with airplane parts or game systems – has to be against some kind of US law.

      That being said, how is arming Kurds a response to a no-fly zone? That would involve US aircraft flying in it, or not, wouldn’t it?

      • James Wherry

        Mikronos, the Kurdish Army of Kurdistan (Iraq) are the Peshmerga. I worked with them in 2008-2009. the PKK and PKW who operate in Turkey and Syria are less than desirable.

    • tapatio

      Arming the Kurds in Syria was, undoubtedly, done on the condition that the Kurds would attack Syrian and allied forces whenever possible – preventing the forces LEGALLY in Syria from dealing with the terrorist attack on that country. Today’s United States NEVER does anything for anyone without a profit motive.

      Global Warfare: “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran”
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166

      A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (1996)
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

      “Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right”

      AND

      Rebuilding America’s Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century (2000)
      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

      “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor (9/11 – PERFECTION). Domestic politics and industrial policy will shape the pace and content of transformation as much as the requirements of current missions.” (p 63)

      AMERICA’S “RASPUTINS” RESPONSIBLE FOR PLANNING THE LAST 15 YEARS OF DEATH – JEWISH ZIONISTS ALL……………

      CLEAN BREAK

      Richard perle

      REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

      Paul Wolfowitz
      William Kristol
      Alvin Bernstein
      Eliot Cohen
      David Epstein
      Donald Kagan
      Fred Kagan
      Robert Kagan
      Robert Killebrew
      Steve Rosen
      Gary Schmitt
      Abram Shulsky
      Dov Zakheim

      EVERY ONE OF THE TRAITORS LISTED ABOVE (except Robert Killebrew) IS A JEWISH DUAL ISRAELI/US CITIZEN – YET NEITHER THEY OR ANY OF THEIR ANCESTORS CAME FROM PALESTINE..

      • Mikronos

        Although I haven’t read the rationale for Arming Syrian Kurds yet, we know the rationale for arming Iraqi Kurds was to assist them in their fight with ISIS, not to attack our other ‘friends and allies’ in Iraq.

        • tapatio

          No clue what Washington is going to claim as an excuse for arming the Kurds in Syria. But, the REASONS are that the Kurds are rather controllable for the US and they might also be used against Turkey since it seems that Erdogan might be leaning toward siding with BRICS and Syria.

          • Mikronos

            I have every confidence the Syrian Kurds will assist Assad rather than help America. Those weapons will be used – on ISIS, the FSA and the Turks.

            • tapatio

              They will certainly be used against Turkey. But, given the moral level in Washington, a condition of the deal may have been that the Kurds fight against Syria first.

    • James Wherry

      The two are unrelated. The Kurds who are being armed are the ones who will help assault Raqqa, still in keeping with President Trump’s goal of destroying ISIS and not the Syrian government. Those were the Kurds brutally driven out of their homes and murdered by ISIS, when it first took over.

      It’s a question of “what happens next,” after ISIS is destroyed that is a concern. Kurdistan is run by the KDP and the PUK, both of whom are normal, moderate folks who actually manager to get along with Turkey, Iran and – sometimes – their own Iraqi government. The PKW and PKK, however, are absolutely terrorists who attack innocent, unarmed civilians in Turkey.

      Then, too, will the Kurds wreck revenge and havoc on the same Sun’ni Muslims who did such horrible things to their own people? “Forgiveness is not in the nature of Muslims. Justice is.”

      • James Wherry

        The purpose of arming ground troops, by the way, is precisely to avoid bombing casualties. As the Iraqi Army has shown in Mosul, when it becomes “house to house” fighting, ariel bombardment is far more indiscriminate than ground troops fighting terrorists.

        I cannot say I support arming THESE Kurds, but I do support arming OTHER PEOPLE OTHER THAN U.S. MARINES AND SOLDIERS to do the hard work and destroy ISIS while still preserving civilian lives, homes and infrastructure.

        • Mikronos

          The Marines aren’t noted for ‘preserving’ much of anything on which they are forced to use their weapons.

          The recent USMC re-deployment to Helmand comes in time for them to bulldoze the replanted orchards they left behind after they withdrew from the Surge in 2011. The Marines were forced to bulldoze the old orchards to stop the Taliban ‘hiding’ in them – that forced the civilians to evacuate.

          The Marine re-planted orchards are now mature enough to produce, but the ‘ fruit pickers’ are still living in camps outside Kabul. Another ‘necessity’ back them, included bulldozing their ‘abandoned’ compounds. Very few of those have been rebuilt since.

          • James Wherry

            Actually, my point is that I do NOT WANT U.S. troops involved: the religious bigots use our presence to preach hatred of non-Muslims, and when we have to do things made necessary by a blood thirsty enemy, we get blamed, whereas patriots of the host nation would not be.

            In this case, we’re also talking about urban fighting and – as you note – military necessity requires destroying buildings to preserve people while killing terrorists. There’s a measure of surgery to that which ariel bombardment does not permit.

      • Mikronos

        The Syrian Kurds were never “driven” anywhere – brutally or otherwise. They held their Syrian homeland against all comers – including the Turks.

        • James Wherry

          Not sure what you mean. When ISIS came, they drove Kurds out of their homes, or ISIS killed or converted Kurds, wherever they found them. Thank God the Kurds fought back, but many have lost their homes and many have died. The siege of Mount Sinjar tooks months to break.

          Mount Sinjar: Islamic State siege broken, say Kurds
          19 December 2014
          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30539170

          • Mikronos

            No, sir, ISIS did not drive Kurds from their homes. Those were Arabs, Yazidis and Christians – not Kurds who, as I mentioned managed to hold-off all comers, in their parts of Iraq and Syria. .

      • Helga Fellay

        “The PKW and PKK, however, are absolutely terrorists who attack innocent, unarmed civilians” if that’s true, then the PKW and PKK must be just like Israelis, Americans, Saudis…..

        • James Wherry

          Oh? When has America intentionally attacked non-combatants?

          • allan Massey

            all the time they never stoped

            • James Wherry

              It doesn’t sound like you have specifics. Well, I served twice in Iraq and once in the Horn of Africa on active duty and we never did anything like that. From what I know, if we had, we would have been court-martialed, so right away, I know you’re wrong.

    • tapatio

      The United States has placed itself firmly and openly in the position of being a rogue/outlaw state. The American incursion into Syria is a war crime and in violation of international laws to which the US is signatory.

      In addition, Washington is milking the American people for money to support this war-for-profit and for canon-fodder (our young people) to die in that war.

      Just how long will the American people/sheeple continue to pay for the business operations of the corporations that control Washington and allowing their children to die and become war criminals for the profit of banks/oil companies/arms makers?

      The photograph below was taken by a Médecins Sans Frontières staffer immediately following a US bombing in Syria.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b8826b9a222939864029a287ab2a6f6d6e8093a04e49193694f0f5b3457e85e0.jpg

      • bootin buddin

        that same photo shopped picture that you use shows some of those kids actually smiling. we will continue with our efforts there unimpeded by some archaic international war crime laws because we can.

        • James Wherry

          He spent a month trying to pretend it was taken in Yemen. He’s an imbecile and a shill for Shi’ite Jihadists.