BRICS Under Attack: The Empire Strikes Back In Brazil

Despite all the fancy anti-corruption rhetoric, the assault on President Rousseff’s leftist government is the result of a coordinated campaign by business interests tied to Washington and Wall Street.
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    NEW YORK — (Analysis) The last decade has seen a remarkable coalescing of non-Western nations in both economic and political partnerships. These multilateral institutions have been championed as alternatives to Western organs of political and economic power such as NATO, the International Monetary Fund, and the World Bank.

    From the growth of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization to the establishment of the Eurasian Economic Union, China’s “One Belt, One Road” strategy to link much of the Eurasian landmass via trade and investment, and most recently the establishment of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, many have viewed these developments as essential for the decentralization of global power away from the imperial centers of Washington, Wall Street, London and Brussels.  

    But perhaps none of the emerging Global South international groupings has been more promising in terms of both public relations and real economic partnership than that of the BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa).

    BRICS countries account for 46 percent of the world’s population – over 3 billion people, as of 2015 – making it the single largest bloc in terms of human capacity among global alliances. The scope of BRICS, combined with its increasing assertiveness as an economic power unto itself, has undoubtedly ruffled a few feathers in Washington and elsewhere in the West.  

    It should come as no surprise that major moves have been taken in the last 12 to 24 months to undermine each BRICS member nation and destabilize them through political and economic means. And it is no coincidence that those leaders shown smiling and shaking hands at recent BRICS summits are now either the targets of destabilization efforts and subversion – as in the cases of Brazil, Russia, China and South Africa – or are a target of a military and political charm offensive, as in the case of India. In each case, the United States and its allies benefit significantly from the latest developments.  

     

    Brazil in the crosshairs

    One of the U.S. empire’s tried and true methods of destabilizing a targeted country is through manufacturing and promoting political scandals and/or political movements that appear oppositional but whose interests, whether consciously or not, align with the ruling establishment in the West. Both of these elements are at play in Brazil, which has been moving toward increased economic, and consequently political, independence in recent years.  

    In Brazil, the government of Dilma Rousseff is facing a major destabilization campaign orchestrated by powerful right-wing elements in the country and their U.S. backers. Under the always convenient banner of “anti-corruption,” millions have turned out in the streets to demand the ouster of the twice-elected Rousseff government on the heels of a series of revelations about alleged corruption pertaining to the quasi-state, quasi-private Petrobras oil company.  

    According to the allegations, a number of leading political figures, some of whom are connected to President Rousseff and the Workers’ Party, have skimmed at least 3 percent of the billions in oil revenue from Petrobras, illustrating the still active tradition of corruption in Brazil.  

    The latest target is former President Lula da Silva, who was forcibly removed from his home in an ostentatious show of force by law enforcement authorities meant to humiliate the 70-year-old founder of the Workers’ Party. Because of his working class background, the former president was seen as the hope and pride of the left in Brazil, and the public removal from his home earlier this month sparked the latest round of protests.

     

    But what — or who — is really behind the soft coup in Brazil?

    The right wing is the driving force of the protests, despite any progressive-minded, anti-corruption sentiment being expressed by various segments of the protest movement. Two of the principal groups responsible for organizing and mobilizing the demonstrations are the Free Brazil Movement (MBL) and Students for Liberty (EPL), both of which have direct ties to Charles and David Koch, the right-wing, neocon, U.S. billionaires, as well as other leading figures of the far right, pro-business neoliberal establishment.

    (Click to Expand) The bio of Fabio Ostermann from the Atlas Network website.

    (Click to Expand) The bio of Fabio Ostermann from the Atlas Network website.

    (Click to Expand) The bio of Juliano Torres from the Atlas Network website.

    (Click to Expand) The bio of Juliano Torres from the Atlas Network website.

    MBL is fronted by Fabio Ostermann and Juliano Torres, both of whom were educated in the Atlas Leadership Academy, a satellite of the Atlas Economic Research Foundation, which is directly funded by the Koch brothers. EPL is a direct affiliate of the U.S.-based Students for Liberty, a well-known Koch brothers outfit with deep ties to the right-wing political establishment in the U.S.

    One of the leading faces of the movement is Kim Kataguiri, a 20-year-old “activist,” who is both a founder of MBL and a leader in EPL. Unabashedly pro-big business, he’s an adherent of the so-called Austrian School of Economics, the economic ideology that advocates total deregulation of the economy in the interests of private business, and a great admirer of Milton Friedman, the father of what is known today as neoliberal capitalism.

    Kataguiri and his fellow right-wing activists have been quick to distance themselves from the blood-soaked legacy of right-wing coups in Brazil and Latin America for obvious reasons. Yet they espouse precisely the same economic policies as those enacted throughout the region, perhaps most famously in Chile under the brutal dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet, whose economic policies were directly guided by none other than Friedman.  

    As Kataguiri explained to The Guardian in 2015:

    “We defend free markets, lower taxes and the privatisation of all public companies. … In Brazil, the left is still seen as cool by young people. … We want to destroy this idea that if you defend free markets then you’re an old man who is asking for a dictatorship. …  Unfortunately, we don’t have any big sponsors. The government and some sectors of the press say that we are financed by rich people. We would have no problem in being financed by rich people.”

    Unfortunately for Kataguiri, Ostermann, Torres and their colleagues, the truth about their connections to powerful finance capital and business in the U.S. and throughout Latin America is well known. Still, the corporate media whitewashes these connections, presenting the protests as some sort of pure expression of people’s discontent, rather than a manufactured form of political manipulation and destabilization which has seized upon difficult economic times to cynically exploit public opinion. Brazil’s economic downturn over the past two years has made this much easier.

    Other influential groups such as VemPraRua (“Come to the Streets”) are directly funded by powerful right-wing business interests inside the country, including Brazil’s richest man, Jorge Paulo Lemann. As Bloomberg noted in a 2013 profile of Lemann:

    “In the U.S., Lemann is virtually unknown, even though he and his two longtime partners, Marcel Herrmann Telles and Carlos Alberto Sicupira, now control three icons of U.S. consumer culture: Heinz ketchup, Burger King, and, after the $52 billion takeover of Anheuser-Busch in 2008, Budweiser beer. The combined market value of the companies they run is $187 billion—larger than that of Citigroup.

    In Brazil, Lemann is a business-class hero. … Worth some $20 billion, Lemann is No. 32 on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index, seven slots behind George Soros and three ahead of Carl Icahn.”

    Meanwhile, the reactionary, pro-U.S. elements inside (and outside) Brazil are particularly angered at the Workers’ Party and, more broadly, the left. This is not because of corruption – though corruption undoubtedly remains a problem – but because of the ascendance to power of political forces representing working class and poor Brazilians.

    As the North American Congress on Latin America correctly assessed in April 2015: “Don’t believe the right-wing media’s emphasis on corruption—the recent demonstrations are motivated by entrenched elite discontent over expanding economic and political inclusion for the nation’s majority.”

     

    Bringing BRICS to heel

    In short, despite all the fancy anti-corruption rhetoric, the assault on Rousseff’s leftist government is the result of a coordinated campaign by business interests tied to the U.S. Washington and Wall Street that see in Brazil a dangerous precedent in which a left-wing government sympathetic to and allied with Bolivarian movements in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, and until recently, Argentina, was able to gain power and preside over an economic boom.  

    A graph demonstrating the correlation between expansion of anti-government sentiment and the stagnation of GDP growth.

    A graph demonstrating the correlation between expansion of anti-government sentiment and the stagnation of GDP growth.

    Indeed, this point should not be understated — namely, the economic downturn in commodities such as oil which has put the brakes on Brazil’s rapid economic progress.

    In fact, recent data shows that the expansion of anti-government sentiment directly correlates to the stagnation of GDP growth, which itself directly correlates to the decline in commodities prices. As many have convincingly argued, the collapse of oil has no doubt been fomented and encouraged, if not directly orchestrated, by the U.S. and its allies in the Gulf in order to target non-Western countries whose economies are tied to oil and gas revenue — Venezuela, Bolivia, Brazil, and especially Russia.  
    Essentially, what’s unfolding in Brazil is a multi-pronged effort to destabilize the country via a variety of political and economic means, with the ultimate goal of bringing to heel a key member of BRICS. But it is not the only one.

    Brazil is certainly not the only BRICS member facing an offensive by the U.S.-NATO system. The next article in this series will examine the destabilizing forces reaching into South Africa. Future pieces will examine the growing military relationship between the U.S. and India, as well as the multi-faceted strategies to contain, isolate, and destabilize Russia and China.

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    • Eonia Grace

      Hello there! Just for the record. I do not work for the CIA, 😀 or, for that matter, for any organization or group being financed by the USA Against Dilma Rousseff or by any other group. I speak for myself.

      I’m just of one the millions Regular Brazilian who have been volunteering peaceful protests on the streets and online against Dilma and Lula’s ridiculously corrupt, and yes, leftist government. One of those who would rather see Brazil allied with the USA than with the Russia mafia. Bur who in​ ​the end would just rather have Brasil fulfill it’s own, as much as possible, independent role at the world stage of politics, defending our own interests and not being a puppet to left or right.

      With it’s immense and vastly productive resource, Brasil is the apple of the eye for both factions – and more easily manipulated by ignorant, greedy, corrupt, incompetent and ideology driven folks who have in charge for the last generation. We, the bulk of the Brazilian People from the right, left and the middle of the road – are simply sick and tired of it and won’t take it anymore!

      This is one of the most biased news pieces about Dilma Rousseff’s impeachment that I’ve seen outside Brasil. The overwhelming majority of Brazilians (Over 95% of the voters) are overjoyed that Dilma has been removed from office. The whole country is commemorating, not just the rich elite.

      Lula & Dilma have run an orchestrated campaign claiming that Dilma has suffered a Coup d’Etat, and that Dilma is an “honest” woman.

      However, the entire impeachment pro​​cess against Dilma has followed the most strict constitutional rites, televised for everyone to watch – – and it has been closely scrutinized by The Supreme Court.

      Really – AN HONEST WOMAN – FOR GOODNESS SAKE! Dilma was THE Chairman of Petrobras Board while serving as the Minister of Energy during Lula’s mandate (With what qualifications, it beats me.. Dilma faked a graduation degree in Economics, which she never finished) – and them claimed that she didn’t know anything about the State run corruption scheme in side Petrobras, which ruined our largest oil company, and replicated all over the country, caused the same economic and moral damage to most of the largest corporation and State owned institutions in Brasil.

      Dilma&Lula caused Billion of Dollars of losses for these companies, to the Brazilian people and to national and foreign investors. Economic ruin and the worse ever recession and depression to ever hit Brasil- now with more than 12 million formally employed workers.

      Dilma deviated, and systematically approved ilegal schemes to deviate public funds to run hers and Lula’s political campaign, enrich themselves and stay in power. She signed over secret – ilegal and unconstitutional – foreign aid to dozen of communist dictators and drug pins around the world. And received kick backs abroad from these thugs. Dilma & Lula run the largest communist criminal organization in the entire world.

      They jointly promoted persistent terror activities inside Brasil, by financing communist guerrilla terrorists from the MST Landless Movement and CUT, and the Socialist Youth Movement- who terrorized, attacked, invaded, occupied and destroyed private property, and killed people around Brasil – on their way to implant a full blown Communist dictatorship in Brasil.

      Dilma & Lula and they allies are bad dudes. The worse kind of bad dudes, who lied about their accomplishments, while they stole more than ONE TRILLION DOLLARS from public funds during their mandate.

      The dynamic populist duo and their relatives and friends, including Dilma’s daughter, became billionaires in a few years, from money stolen from the Brazilian people.

      She didn’t finish mega projects she started, and she inflated the figures for her social programs – basically lied to make people believe that all was well, and claimed they stole the funds for accepted (by some) social cause handouts programs (Not even that is true.They used less than 1(ONE)% of the budget to fund social programs)

      They ruined Brasil’s economy, and that has very little to do with the world economic crisis.

      And last, just in case you guys out there don’t know, Dilma Vana Rousseff is a communist terrorist guerrilla trained in Cuba and in Russia, a terrorist bank robber, a kidnapper of planes and ambassadors – including an American Ambassador; she is an assassin responsible for the death of dozens of innocent people, as well as military personnel, as a leader of her communist guerrilla group Val Palmares attempts to impose a Communist regimen in Brasil.

      Lula & Dilma are intrinsically linked with the PCC and the RED Command Drug lords – they protect these criminal organizations, and in turn they give them kick backs from their drug deals – and mutual protection.

      During Dilma and Lula mandates, Brazilian have been terrorized with more than 60,000 murders/executions PER YEAR. A true genocide in our once peaceful country, which now has one of the highest murder rates in the world, after Guatemala.

      Dilma NEVER fought for democracy, his is an oxymoron. Dilma is a dyed in the wool committed communist; Dilma and her gang were fighting to impose a Communist regimen in Brasil, already back in the 60’s. She was imprisoned and MAYBE tortured during a war period, caused by her own terrorist guerrilla group – who did immense damage to Brazil, as they believe that the ends justify the means.

      Brazil has not had any peace since Dilma Rousseff went on a rampage way back when, as a ruthless communist teenager. Dilma Rousseff has been a cancer to Brasil along with the cynic, corrupt, lying thief and drug lord -Lula.

      So, please, don’t come out with this type of Workers Party propaganda article. Brazilians have been demonstrating in the streets for several years now, trying to get our Republican democracy back from the power grip of communist groups related to the Foro de Sao Paulo agenda – who in turn have been trying crazily to establish their “Great Mother Land” project in Latin America, alike the Soviet Union.

      You probably are not even going to publish my comment, because if you wrote that sort of journalism above, disseminating false information about Dilma and her followers, and about what is happening in Brasil – more than likely, you know exactly what you’re doing, and embraces the amoral and megalomaniac communist agenda too.

      What Brazilians accomplished today by removing Dilma Rousseff and her communist p​a​rty allies from our government by peaceful orderly means- via democratic and peaceful means – was nothing less than an amazing feat! The Brazilian People deserve to be congratulated for their persistence to restore the Rule of Law in our Republican Democratic country. We are not perfect, but we’re trying to be better than what we got going now. #OutWithDilma​

    • Eonia Grace

      Hello there! Just for the record. I do not work for the CIA, 😀 or, for that matter, for any organization or group being financed by the USA Against Dilma Rousseff or by any other group. I speak for myself.

      I’m just of one the millions Regular Brazilian who have been volunteering peaceful protests on the streets and online against Dilma and Lula’s ridiculously corrupt, and yes, leftist government. One of those who would rather see Brazil allied with the USA than with the Russia mafia. Bur who in​ ​the end would just rather have Brasil fulfill it’s own, as much as possible, independent role at the world stage of politics, defending our own interests and not being a puppet to left or right.

      With it’s immense and vastly productive resource, Brasil is the apple of the eye for both factions – and more easily manipulated by ignorant, greedy, corrupt, incompetent and ideology driven folks who have in charge for the last generation. We, the bulk of the Brazilian People from the right, left and the middle of the road – are simply sick and tired of it and won’t take it anymore!

      This is one of the most biased news pieces about Dilma Rousseff’s impeachment that I’ve seen outside Brasil. The overwhelming majority of Brazilians (Over 95% of the voters) are overjoyed that Dilma has been removed from office. The whole country is commemorating, not just the rich elite.

      Lula & Dilma have run an orchestrated campaign claiming that Dilma has suffered a Coup d’Etat, and that Dilma is an “honest” woman.

      However, the entire impeachment pro​​cess against Dilma has followed the most strict constitutional rites, televised for everyone to watch – – and it has been closely scrutinized by The Supreme Court.

      Really – AN HONEST WOMAN – FOR GOODNESS SAKE! Dilma was THE Chairman of Petrobras Board while serving as the Minister of Energy during Lula’s mandate (With what qualifications, it beats me.. Dilma faked a graduation degree in Economics, which she never finished) – and them claimed that she didn’t know anything about the State run corruption scheme in side Petrobras, which ruined our largest oil company, and replicated all over the country, caused the same economic and moral damage to most of the largest corporation and State owned institutions in Brasil.
      Dilma&Lula caused Billion of Dollars of losses for these companies, to the Brazilian people and to national and foreign investors. Economic ruin and the worse ever recession and depression to ever hit Brasil- now with more than 12 million formally employed workers.

      Dilma deviated, and systematically approved ilegal schemes to deviate public funds to run hers and Lula’s political campaign, enrich themselves and stay in power. She signed over secret – ilegal and unconstitutional – foreign aid to dozen of communist dictators and drug pins around the world. And received kick backs abroad from these thugs. Dilma & Lula run the largest communist criminal organization in the entire world.

      They jointly promoted persistent terror activities inside Brasil, by financing communist guerrilla terrorists from the MST Landless Movement and CUT, and the Socialist Youth Movement- who terrorized, attacked, invaded, occupied and destroyed private property, and killed people around Brasil – on their way to implant a full blown Communist dictatorship in Brasil.

      Dilma & Lula and they allies are bad dudes. The worse kind of bad dudes, who lied about their accomplishments, while they stole more than ONE TRILLION DOLLARS from public funds during their mandate.

      The dynamic populist duo and their relatives and friends, including Dilma’s daughter, became billionaires in a few years, from money stolen from the Brazilian people.

      She didn’t finish mega projects she started, and she inflated the figures for her social programs – basically lied to make people believe that all was well, and claimed they stole the funds for accepted (by some) social cause handouts programs (Not even that is true.They used less than 1(ONE)% of the budget to fund social programs)

      They ruined Brasil’s economy, and that has very little to do with the world economic crisis.

      And last, just in case you guys out there don’t know, Dilma Vana Rousseff is a communist terrorist guerrilla trained in Cuba and in Russia, a terrorist bank robber, a kidnapper of planes and ambassadors – including an American Ambassador; she is an assassin responsible for the death of dozens of innocent people, as well as military personnel, as a leader of her communist guerrilla group Val Palmares attempts to impose a Communist regimen in Brasil.

      Lula & Dilma are intrinsically linked with the PCC and the RED Command Drug lords – they protect these criminal organizations, and in turn they give them kick backs from their drug deals – and mutual protection.

      During Dilma and Lula mandates, Brazilian have been terrorized with more than 60,000 murders/executions PER YEAR. A true genocide in our once peaceful country, which now has one of the highest murder rates in the world, after Guatemala.

      Dilma NEVER fought for democracy, his is an oxymoron. Dilma is a dyed in the wool committed communist; Dilma and her gang were fighting to impose a Communist regimen in Brasil, already back in the 60’s. She was imprisoned and MAYBE tortured during a war period, caused by her own terrorist guerrilla group – who did immense damage to Brazil, as they believe that the ends justify the means.

      Brazil has not had any peace since Dilma Rousseff went on a rampage way back when, as a ruthless communist teenager. Dilma Rousseff has been a cancer to Brasil along with the cynic, corrupt, lying thief and drug lord -Lula.

      So, please, don’t come out with this type of Workers Party propaganda article. Brazilians have been demonstrating in the streets for several years now, trying to get our Republican democracy back from the power grip of communist groups related to the Foro de Sao Paulo agenda – who in turn have been trying crazily to establish their “Great Mother Land” project in Latin America, alike the Soviet Union.

      You probably are not even going to publish my comment, because if you wrote that sort of journalism above, disseminating false information about Dilma and her followers, and about what is happening in Brasil – more than likely, you know exactly what you’re doing, and embraces the amoral and megalomaniac communist agenda too.

      What Brazilians accomplished today by removing Dilma Rousseff and her communist p​a​rty allies from our government by peaceful orderly means- via democratic and peaceful means – was nothing less than an amazing feat! The Brazilian People deserve to be congratulated for their persistence to restore the Rule of Law in our Republican Democratic country. We are not perfect, but we’re trying to be better than what we got going now. #OutWithDilma​

    • Eonia Grace

      Hello there! Just for the record. I do not work for the CIA, 😀 or, for that matter, for any organization or group being financed by the USA Against Dilma Rousseff or by any other group. I speak for myself.
      I’m just of one the millions Regular Brazilian who have been volunteering peaceful protests on the streets and online against Dilma and Lula’s ridiculously corrupt, and yes, leftist government. One of those who would rather see Brazil allied with the USA than with the Russia mafia. Bur who inthe end would just rather have Brasil fulfill it’s own, as much as possible, independent role at the world stage of politics, defending our own interests and not being a puppet to left or right.
      With it’s immense and vastly productive resource, Brasil is the apple of the eye for both factions – and more easily manipulated by ignorant, greedy, corrupt, incompetent and ideology driven folks who have in charge for the last generation. We, the bulk of the Brazilian People from the right, left and the middle of the road – are simply sick and tired of it and won’t take it anymore!
      This is one of the most biased news pieces about Dilma Rousseff’s impeachment that I’ve seen outside Brasil. The overwhelming majority of Brazilians (Over 95% of the voters) are overjoyed that Dilma has been removed from office. The whole country is commemorating, not just the rich elite.

      Lula & Dilma have run an orchestrated campaign claiming that Dilma has suffered a Coup d’Etat, and that Dilma is an “honest” woman.

      However, the entire impeachment process against Dilma has followed the most strict constitutional rites, televised for everyone to watch – – and it has been closely scrutinized by The Supreme Court.

      Really – AN HONEST WOMAN – FOR GOODNESS SAKE! Dilma was THE Chairman of Petrobras Board while serving as the Minister of Energy during Lula’s mandate (With what qualifications, it beats me.. Dilma faked a graduation degree in Economics, which she never finished) – and them claimed that she didn’t know anything about the State run corruption scheme in side Petrobras, which ruined our largest oil company, and replicated all over the country, caused the same economic and moral damage to most of the largest corporation and State owned institutions in Brasil.

      Dilma deviated, and systematically approved ilegal schemes to deviate public funds to run hers and Lula’s political campaign, enrich themselves and stay in power. She signed over secret – ilegal and unconstitutional – foreign aid to dozen of communist dictators and drug pins around the world. And received kick backs abroad from these thugs. Dilma & Lula run the largest communist criminal organization in the entire world.

      They jointly promoted persistent terror activities inside Brasil, by financing communist guerrilla terrorists from the MST Landless Movement and CUT, and the Socialist Youth Movement- who terrorized, attacked, invaded, occupied and destroyed private property, and killed people around Brasil – on their way to implant a full blown Communist dictatorship in Brasil.

      Dilma & Lula and they allies are bad dudes. The worse kind of bad dudes, who lied about their accomplishments, while they stole more than ONE TRILLION DOLLARS from public funds during their mandate.

      The dynamic populist duo and their relatives and friends, including Dilma’s daughter, became billionaires in a few years, from money stolen from the Brazilian people.

      She didn’t finish mega projects she started, and she inflated the figures for her social programs – basically lied to make people believe that all was well, and claimed they stole the funds for accepted (by some) social cause handouts programs (Not even that is true.They used less than 1(ONE)% of the budget to fund social programs)

      They ruined Brasil’s economy, and that has very little to do with the world economic crisis.

      And last, just in case you guys out there don’t know, Dilma Vana Rousseff is a communist terrorist guerrilla trained in Cuba and in Russia, a terrorist bank robber, a kidnapper of planes and ambassadors – including an American Ambassador; she is an assassin responsible for the death of dozens of innocent people, as well as military personnel, as a leader of her communist guerrilla group Val Palmares attempts to impose a Communist regimen in Brasil.

      Lula & Dilma are intrinsically linked with the PCC and the RED Command Drug lords – they protect these criminal organizations, and in turn they give them kick backs from their drug deals – and mutual protection.

      During Dilma and Lula mandates, Brazilian have been terrorized with more than 60,000 murders/executions PER YEAR. A true genocide in our once peaceful country, which now has one of the highest murder rates in the world, after Guatemala.

      Dilma NEVER fought for democracy, his is an oxymoron. Dilma is a dyed in the wool committed communist; Dilma and her gang were fighting to impose a Communist regimen in Brasil, already back in the 60’s. She was imprisoned and MAYBE tortured during a war period, caused by her own terrorist guerrilla group – who did immense damage to Brazil, as they believe that the ends justify the means.

      Brazil has not had any peace since Dilma Rousseff went on a rampage way back when, as a ruthless communist teenager. Dilma Rousseff has been a cancer to Brasil along with the cynic, corrupt, lying thief and drug lord -Lula.

      So, please, don’t come out with this type of Workers Party propaganda article. Brazilians have been demonstrating in the streets for several years now, trying to get our Republican democracy back from the power grip of communist groups related to the Foro de Sao Paulo agenda – who in turn have been trying crazily to establish their “Great Mother Land” project in Latin America, alike the Soviet Union.

      You probably are not even going to publish my comment, because if you wrote that sort of journalism above, disseminating false information about Dilma and her followers, and about what is happening in Brasil – more than likely, you know exactly what you’re doing, and embraces the amoral and megalomaniac communist agenda too.

      What Brazilians accomplished today by removing Dilma Rousseff and her communist prty allies from our government by peacefull orderly means- via democratic and peaceful means – was nothing less than an amazing feat! The Brazilian People deserve to be congratulated for their persistence to restore the Rule of Law in our Repubican Democratic country. We are not perfect, but we’re trying to be better than what we got going now. #OutWithDilma

      • George Engelbrecht

        What about the reports that many MPs who votes for impeachment are equally corrupt and did this to save their own souls. Rousseff was working towards getting them trailed and convicted.

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      Three strategies used by the media. The
      first is the construction of selective parts of defamation of former
      President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and President Dilma with a witheringattack moral and methods of serial defamation; the “symbolic laundering” indefensible figures like Eduardo Cunha; and the reversal of the negative, betrayal, disloyalty, opportunism in positive, with the construction of respectability to the couple Michel
      and Marcela Temer.

      Thesecond strategy was media bias: a policy guided by the logic of twisted, intolerance and hatred, the rhetoric of “us” and “them.” We citizens, outraged, spontaneous, and they militants, the reds, the “professionals” of politics, corrupt.

      Third strategy, highlight how journalism and advertising worked with massive commands, where information is only the minimum necessary for the issue,transmission and observation of orders considered commands, because this information bring implicit, not discursive assumptions. Inthis sense every television news editing, every magazine cover, every headline, every conversation wheel with analysts, each editorial can be analyzed as acts of command and speech acts.

      The next day the vote of the coup by the National Congress Senator BR Aluisio Nunes travels to Whashington USA to meeting booked with american authorities Among his scheduled meetings with authorities, was with Thomas Shannon, the State Department.

    • Alberto Steele

      Three strategies used by the media. The
      first is the construction of selective parts of defamation of former
      President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and President Dilma with a withering
      attack moral and methods of serial defamation; the “symbolic laundering” indefensible figures like Eduardo Cunha; and
      the reversal of the negative, betrayal, disloyalty, opportunism in
      positive, with the construction of respectability to the couple Michel
      and Marcela Temer. The
      second strategy was media bias: a policy guided by the logic of
      twisted, intolerance and hatred, the rhetoric of “us” and “them.” We citizens, outraged, spontaneous, and they militants, the reds, the “professionals” of politics, corrupt. third
      strategy, highlight how journalism and advertising worked with massive
      commands, where information is only the minimum necessary for the issue,
      transmission and observation of orders considered commands, because
      this information bring implicit, not discursive assumptions. In
      this sense every television news editing, every magazine cover, every
      headline, every conversation wheel with analysts, each editorial can be
      analyzed as acts of command and speech acts.

    • fro2016

      I’m sorry but some of the things written in this article aren’t true. It has been proven time and time again how much our government lied and corrupted the elections. To say that Lula was “who was forcibly removed from his home
      in an ostentatious show of force by law enforcement authorities meant to
      humiliate the 70-year-old” is absolutely ridiculous and untrue. He and his president Dilma Rouseff are part of a gang that has destroyed our economy. They are liars and thieves. You are really misinformed. I don’t disagree that the fact that Brazil belongs to BRICs bothers the U.S., but Brazil has had the worse government and recession EVER in history.

    • Here’s the thingie that gets me about Brazil. Zika.
      The Zika virus causes microcephaly in Brazil, Guillain-Barré in Colombia and … maybe a rash everywhere else.

      That is absolutely fantastic!
      No other virus has this unique ability to discriminate so clearly between national boundaries – and —– no-one cares. Now just think —– if we could harness this incredible trait?!

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    • AlmostAlwaysAwake

      You
      will find the innocent-sounding, sinister term “public-private
      partnership” (P3 or PPP) being used as propaganda on the websites of
      governments, non-government organizations (NGOs) banking, and businesses
      at all levels, particularly those of tax-sucking; massive, malignant,
      unelected UN One World Government and its farflung predatory agencies
      worldwide. P3s or PPPs, an alliance of all too sizable bureaucratic;
      odious debt-enslaved corporate governments and big banking and business,
      attempts to engineer consent among the people for what used to be
      called communism; capitalism; socialism; stateism; Nazism; Fascism, etc.
      It is always accompanied by another, innocent-sounding but sinister
      term “sustainable development” justifying the imposition of austerity
      among the people, and plunder of the fruit of their labor and/or natural
      resources from the land they live on. Since its 1992 inception in Rio
      de Janeiro, UN’s malevolent Agenda 21 has been engineering annihilation
      of more than 6 billion people unimaginably wealthy royal and
      aristocratic USURY families refer to as “useless eater mouths” consuming
      their resources. Because there will be only about 600 million unlucky
      human tax farm livestock economic slave survivors, they will be only
      renters, not home-owners, warehoused in urban hi-rises, and use only
      public transportation, unable to purchase cars when the global holocaust
      ends. Home and personal transportation ownership will be reserved only
      for the wealthy and their highest paid servants in world government and
      businesses

    • AlmostAlwaysAwake

      There is nothing but rampant corruptions in the halls of all USURY
      families-owned public-private partnership (P3 or PPP) corporate World
      (UN); National; Regional; County, or Municipal Governments worldwide,
      regardless of which people or political party occupy the seats of
      government. In the case of Brasil, it is BIS Board Director and current
      autocraticGovernor of the Central Bank of Brazil, Alexandre Antônio
      Tombini, who relays instructions from sinister, all-powerful BIS in
      Basel, Swiss Confederation, as to who will go and who will stay in those
      seats.- http://www.bis.org/about/board.htm

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    • Erik Hare

      White people in the US decrying imperialism in some distant nation while at the same time showing a complete lack of any understanding or empathy for the people in that nation. The irony is really thick.

    • Scott F

      Way to go mint press. Yes cunha is responsible for this mess.

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    • CaiNaReal

      I strongly question the calibre of professionalism of the journalits who wrote this article. Brazil’s current president and her predecessor are responsible for the world’s largest corruption scandal :1 trillion dollars.

      Only the lunatics and morally fragile journalists support the current president. There thousands of videos on YouTube showing Brazilians have long wanted her to go. She’s only abusing her power because she knows where she’ll end up once she’s lost her political immunity once she’s no longer in office

      Do your own research. .

      • Sizwe Nyembe

        What you have utterly missed is that the writer acknowledges the entrenchment of corruption into the government of Brazil and how the right wingers in the country funded by the imperialists have opportunistically hijacked this to ‘cynically’ use it for their own narrow devilish interests.

        • CaiNaReal

          Brazil has been governed by left wingers since 94. Corruption has reached unprecedented levels in the past 10 years. Corruption is commonplace in any Catholic and/or Southern European nation and their former colonies. It’s part of the culture.

      • David Thompson

        Misleading. .. the real vilians ..bankers lawyers who took the money abroad. ….
        Why are they not arrested? White collar booms?

        • CaiNaReal

          Unlike in the USA billionaires are being arrested in Brazil as we speak. Bankers don’t play a role in the current chaotic Brazilian mess. It’s the government’s inability to run the country that is strapped for cash as it spent too much getting reelected and distributing ‘dividends’ among same-party politicians.

      • Roberto S. Chiandotti

        Yep, I researched, There is in way a coup d´etat in Brazil.

      • Lucas

        “the world’s largest corruption scandal”. Source: your head.
        “1 trillion dollars”. Source: again, your little head.
        The current president have none indictment of illicit enrichment, instead his accusers.

        I researched, There is in way a coup d´etat in Brazil.

        • CaiNaReal

          There’s no coup within the Constitution. Your mantra is getting old fashioned and ludicrous at this point. The ruling party – PT – has given 500 billion reais away to communist dictatorships.
          1 trillion dollars stolen from public coffers yes.

          • Lucas

            Again, again and again: the source of these numbers is your head. The mantra is you who is saying: ‘the world’s largest corruption scandal’. Only the scoundrels or the uninformed say that. Which one of them is you ? Get real.

            • Mike

              Here’s the question: why it is it OK for them to fund communist autocrats and killers?

              • Lucas

                Please, Mike. When they did it? To qualify the discussion, I want real examples.

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    • James Wherry

      By “the Empire Strikes Back,” you mean “Jobs Go Elsewhere.”

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    • itaia

      Here are a couple of videos on youtube which may give you a “feel” of the real Brazilians: Youtube search title YOUTH ORCHESTRA BAHIA TICO .– A look into the country side : MULA TRABALHANDO.—— (Itaia Muxaic de Ricart))

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    • itaia

      The primary problem for the government of Brazil is the downturn in the export demand and price of some commodities, especially iron ore and other metals. If everybody makes money or has a job, there is no time or energy to destabilize the government. But Brazil has also a permanent demographic problems: Most of the 42% of Brazilians who classify themselves as “white” want to be like “Americans” and see Miami and Orlando as “nirvana”. This sector, concentrated in the region of Sao Paulo and the South is anti-patriotic and mostly from European immigration after 1850 and some of the old colonial era oligarchy. —- Yes, Lula and the PT made mistakes by continuing the “system” of bribes that existed before among all governments and all but a few of the 30+ parties in Brazil. The destabilization and control over Brazil has been and is a permanent objective of the USA : The permanent objective exists since the 19th century and during the eras of all of Brazil’s governments, even during the U.S. supported Military Dictatorship 1964-1985. Example: The U.S. forbade the Germans to help Brazil’s nuclear technology. In turn, the anti-communist Military Dictatorship (President General Geisel ) recognized the Marxist MPLA in Angola which was in a war with the U.S. and NATO-supported UNITA.— Itaia Muxcaic de Ricart.

      • Arnold GS

        Nice! Very enlightening. Now a bit of logic: Most agree, I hope, that the military dictatorship was bad for Brazil, correct? So, if the U.S. supported the military dictatorship, why do people in Brazil STILL, as they say in Brazil, Baba Ovo, of the Americans?

        I, for one, would want NOTHING to do with someone who tried (or tries) to destabilize my “home”.

        For comprehension purposes I will hereinafter refer to the “Most of the 42% of Brazilians who classify themselves as “white” want to be like “Americans”” as “BRXYZ”.

        (1) Is there a reason why these “BRXYZ” have such disdain towards their own “family” (i.e. other Brazilians)?

        (2) Do these “BRXYZ” even KNOW what it is to be like “Americans”?

        (3) Or they just have a fantasy in their heads?

        By the way, I just love your writing. Very concise and informative.

        Cheers from Europe.

        • itaia

          Yes those are interesting questions! Portuguese sailors arrived on the coast of Brazil 1500. In today’s Brazil lived hundreds of Indian tribes with many different languages who were in permanent war against each other. Then until 1820+ Brazil was a colony of Portugal, a not very advanced nation on the edge of Europe. During those centuries mostly men from Portugal settled in Brazil and took Indian wives. The lightest skinned of their children would marry lightest skinned of other similar families: SELECTIVE MATING. (Most “white” Latin Americans have this ancestral background !). Neither the Portuguese nor the Indians came from “working cultures”. Therefore during those centuries 5 Million Africans were brought to Brazil as slaves. Again the lightest skinned of their offspring with Portuguese men, flowed into that “white enough category” which today are the 42% of Brazilians who declare themselves as “white”. 1820+ Brazil separated from Portugal and became a monarchy until 1889. Since then it is a presidential federal republic like the USA. After 1850 close to 6 Million immigrants came to Brazil, again mostly men from Italy, Portugal, Spain, Germany, Poland and Christian Arabs (also 200,000+ families from Japan). But there were was not much settlement in Brazil of communities with a civic cohesion such as in the USA by the colonists from England, and in the Midwest by Germans, nor the introduction of a pattern of community administration. Brazil was ruled by dictate from the central government, whose reach did not penetrate the vast territory. Only the military functioned as a national presence and administrator, and innovator. Slavery only was abolished after 1880. The culture of Brazil was affected by the Indian and African influence infused by the Indian and African women that were the ancestral mothers of the vast majority of the 42% “white” Brazilians and of all the 48% “Brown” Brazilians, and influenced the 8% “Black” Brazilians. 40,000 Million of the 205 Million Brazilians know of some Indian ancestry, but less then one million declare themselves as Indian. With the influence since 100 years of media and entertainment from the USA (Hollywood, “pop’ culture”, TV, news agencies) and travel, study and immigration of Brazilians to the USA, the “white” Brazilian aspires to be like an American rather then a Brazilian with a history of influence from unimportant Portugal or some remote ancestry from Africa or subsistence level Indian cultures. In addition there is a deliberate permanent psychological warfare by wealthy media interests in Brazil to infuse American life style and “pop culture” into the psyche of white Brazilians, which by day to day contact also influences the 48% who declare themselves as “brown”: They too copy “African-Americans” ! Only some intellectuals and artists and the left support the culture and independence of Brazil. (Take a look at the web page of “O Globo” (the omnipotent media empire that wants Brazil to become a territory of the USA ): In between important national and world news – wedged the news about the death of every actor in Hollywood or among the “rock stars” and about the tours by America or English rock groups which are almost unknown among Americans or long ago forgotten. Thus the “white” Brazilian is in an escapist trance: If he can’t live or stay forever in Miami or Los Angeles, at least he wants to surround himself with what he takes as the “American way of life”.

          • Arnold GS

            Magnificent!!! I just love your redaction and how it flows. Very easy to understand. No ADHD like those fat Americans (not all…just the majority and their unhealthy diet).

            (1) Do “white” Brazilians or even “O Globo” know what Americans (especially the Caucasians) think about Brazilians (or anyone else from Central and South America)…even the ones that consider themselves “white”?

            (2) Have they ever spoken to Brazilians or Latinos who were imprisoned in the US?

            (3) Do they know about the business of private prisons? https://www.aclu.org/banking-bondage-private-prisons-and-mass-incarceration

            Again, thank you so much for your time. If you have a list of materials you have written, please include the links. I would be delighted to read them.

            Cheers from the Netherlands

            • itaia

              This applies to people living in the USA who have no Latin American background .95% of Americans see Latin America as “quirky fiesta time among the poverty” and sympathize with the poor who are exploited by wealthy elites in Latin America. And 99% have no interest in the culture of Latin America. 5%, all educated , try to help Latin Americans. Then there are several ten thousand solvent Americans who reside at times in Latin America because they like the climate and giving them a sense of higher social standing and it is less expensive: Mostly in Mexico, Costa Rica, and now increasingly Ecuador and Nicaragua. Then are those ten thousand Latin America specialists in the “foreign policy community”: Academics, specialists in foundations, churches, NGOs, Congress, Pentagon, CIA, corporations, Those specialist think along the lines required by their employers.—– “White” Brazilians know what the general American public thinks about them and they even exaggerate the shortcomings in Brazil that are described in the U.S media. It is a type of desperate escapist masochism. Many “white” Brazilians in Europe (but not all !) act similarly. The Spanish-speaking Latin Americans also confirm to Americans all the negatives that Americans learn from their U.S. media about Latin America, HOWEVER : Those from the Spanish-speaking nations are cultural patriots. A Mexican immigrant will condemn the government in Mexico and the corruption and crime, but will listen to “Mariachi music” or “Banda” and watch “telenovelas” made in Mexico, and will celebrate all Mexican national and traditional holidays .Most “White” Brazilians living in Brazil only know that their monopoly media (Globo, Estadao, Veja, Folha ) wants them to know about the outside world: Only the USA is an example, all others are “foreigners” not to be trusted or imitated .— ( I am not a writer, only an indiviual. I do not have a website, but if you search for “Itaia Muxaic de Ricart” there is some stuff put on the internet without my prompting by editors )

              • Arnold GS

                Thank you very much! This is enlightening. Trust me, I write scientific papers and also some legal stuff once in a while. I am the byproduct of a weird US education coupled with European early school preparation (VWO) and post graduate work…and you, my friend, have writing talent! You have skills! Kudos to you! I will search for “Itaia Muxaic de Ricart”. Later I will upload some stuff of my early days in the US and the culture shock I had.
                Have a wonderful day! Cheers from nippy Northwest Europe.

            • Marian Baghor

              Hey hello, another Dutch reader here too! Yes, that comment is great, I agree. Well presented and clear. Als je over de Nederlandse praktijken in de bankwereld wilt weten, Arnold GS, kijk dan eens in http://www.deblijebank.nl website. Al woon ik in Engeland, ik ben Hollandse en ken een aantal lui van deze groep. Unhealthy diet…. dat geldt ook voor Engeland! Veel kids met adhd of ongeregeld gedrag en heel veel overgewicht bij vrouwen.
              Op het platteland veelal, in armere gebieden. Ik ben al 43 jaar een “good food embassador” en ik dreig niet in die conditie te geraken. De kloof tussen rijk en arm is hier veel zichtbaarder dan in Holland, hoewel het daar ook merkbaarder begint te worden.
              Tjonge, ik heb geloof ik eventjes lol in Hollands praten o.i.d. nu hou ik maar es op 😉

              • Arnold GS

                Marian. Schatje, bedankt voor de links, hoor. Ik zal ze leven. Ik woon een gedeelte van mijn tijd in Nederland en de andere in Zurich. Ik ben 48 en ben ook een, als ik jouw woorden kan effetjes lenen, “good food embassador”.

                Het is een plezier te praten (wel…schrijven) met een andere Nederlander.

                Ik zal de kinks bestuderen en daarna beantwoorden. Mijn beste wensen.

              • Arnold GS

                Marian, de link werkt niet meer…ik ben droevig, hoor. Ik heb de waybackmachine gebruikt om de paginas van 2011 te zien. Heb je misschien iets anders?

                Duurzame groetjes,

                Arnold

                • Sorry, foutje Arnold. Hier is tie http://www.deblijeb.nl/thuis.html
                  Je moet maar liever niet schatje tegen me zeggen, want ik ben 65 jaar en dat komt dan heel raar aan. Doe maar liever nooit, zulke lievige termen, raad ik je aan, want je weet echt nooit wie je tegenover je hebt aan de ander kant van het scherm en in wat voor stemming die ander is. Kan heel verkeerd vallen.

                  • Arnold GS

                    Bedankt! Ja, sorry hoor. U hebt helemaal gelijk. Ik heb het letterlijk vertaald van “sweetheart” en dat moest ik niet doen. Lost in translation. Sorry. Zal NOOIT meer gebeuren. Dat was mijn bedoeling helemaal niet.

                    Noog een keer, sorry!

                    Duurzame groeten,

                    Arnold

                    • Marian Baghor

                      Hallo Arnold, om ook even iets van mijn kant te melden over aanspreek- groeten, ik had de grootste moeite in het begin, in mijn nieuwe leven in Engeland, met de aanspreektitel “dear” als uiterst formeel bedoelde term. Omdat ik in boeken de uitdrukking “my dear” vaak tegenkwam, had ik het idee dat het een soort van “prive intimiteit” aanduidde. De dorpelingen hier moesten erg lachen om mij, dat hadden ze nog nooit gehoord, wat ik ervaarde. Natuurlijk deden ze er een schepje boven op door me heel vaak met “dear” aan te spreken. Ha ha…

                      • Arnold GS

                        hahahaha….Dat was echt grappig…Ik kan me voorstellen dat Engelse met hun opzettelijk “dear” hahahahaha
                        Zou ik NOOIT durven hahahaha

          • Marian Baghor

            Thank you for an enlightening history lesson on Brazil! It’s proof, a good reminder too, of how important it is, to know of the background of how, politics, economy, lifestyle and resistance movements come into existence, through time and in our now. How tribal rules, race mixing and position in life and work, through the ages, define the present time situation.

            • itaia

              The big difference between North America (USA and Canada) and all of Latin America: Although the majority of the immigrants to North America were men, there was much immigration by families from Europe, and the before the 20th century, many immigrant families settled in ethnic communities, such as the English in New England, and later the Germans in the Midwest. Since you are Dutch – the Dutch settled in the New York state area in the first half of the 17th century. Some families continued to speak Dutch until the early 19th century. The libertarian “crazyness” of New York City originated in the Dutch merchant adventurers who first settled Nuiw Amsterdam in the first decades of the 17th century, according to Colin Woodard in “American Nations). But very few women from Europe came to Latin America, and the “laissez faire” ways of the Indian women who became the ancestral mothers of the majority of Latin Americans, coupled by the libertarian tendencies of the young adventurers from Europe , may explain the indiscipline and lack of community spirit in Latin America: No Margaret Thatcher, Queen Elizabeth, or Angela Merkel ever influenced the psyche of Latin Americans !

              • Marian Baghor

                Thank you, I feel a little less bragging about us Dutchies now… libertarian “crazyness” hmmmm 😉

                • itaia

                  Take this suggestion: The only way to “understand” the USA is to read the book “American Nations” by Colin Woodard. He explains the origin of New York City’s libertarian money-grabbing crazyness: It came from Amsterdam at the beginning of the 17th century. And the eternal reactionary backwardness of South Carolina: It came with the second sons of slave-owning English sugar planters from Barbados in the 17th century. He also explains who really formed the American ” West”: New York investors in mining and railroads. The “ranching” cattle raising in the “American West” came from Mexican mestizos who settled the “West” in the 18th century. The “American cowboy” copied everything from the Mexican “charros” : The boots, the hat, the gun, how to ride a horse… Colin Woodard calls it the “Norte” – because the Mexican mestizo settlers came from the south to the north and introduced the Spanish and Mestizo (Indian) culture.

                  • Marian Baghor

                    Oh thank you, it took me a while to read your responses, also about the open-mindedness of the Dutch, with the presence of the humour expressed in Dutch paintings. This book “American Nations” is a great suggestion, itaia. I will certainly look it up. If we all go back in time, we will find ourselves with blood on our hands, no doubt. We live in interesting times and we can always make new choices, thank life! Recenly I’ve found the meaning of the term “double-dutch” and it’s explained as the way of Dutch traders, persuading their customers to buy though “watering” them thoroughly, with alcoholic beverages. Although there’s been a time where Western regions of Germany also were called Dutch. Hence the similarity with the German word “Deutsch” for their own folk. So that it’s not only the tiny country of the Netherlands, guilty of that behavior. Ha ha…. not that I feel bad about the German folk. I’m just trying to point at a companion in crime lol.

                    • itaia

                      Read the book because it will reveal to you much about North America. Good luck and best wishes !

                      • Marian Baghor

                        Thanks itaia, I’ve found the audio version of the book. Now I can listen and knead my dough, at the same time, ha ha……

                      • itaia

                        The book “American Nations” by Colin Woodard was largely ignored in the USA, probably deliberately prompted by a.) He uncovers too much about the origins that shaped today’s USA and how those origins influence Americans today, and have not been overcome in spite of the centuries. b) they deny it to themselves insisting that theyare modern, progressive and democratic. But they still lack a national health insurance and their electoral system is shrewdly designed to prevent the election of modernizers and progressive. This is achieved by a corrupt “district jerymandering” of electoral districts, the obstructive qualification requirement for new parties, the “electoral college” , voter identification and registration requirements. All of which are different in the 50 states and the 5 territories. The 5 Million American citizens who live in the “territories” Puerto Rico. U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Guam and Northern Marianas CANNOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OR FEDERAL SENATORS AND REPRESENTATIVES.: 5 Million !

                • itaia

                  No, you should be proud of the Dutch. The “libertarian crazyness” is of the liberating and good humored variety which one can even notice in many classic Dutch paintings and which is certainly evident in Dutch history. Of course Dutch colonial history is a sin of the times gone… Perhaps the fresh air from the ocean gives the Dutch that spirit of wide-openess and the good sense of staying independent .

                  • Marian Baghor

                    itaia, could you give me more info and evidence of that good humored variety of libertarian craziness in the classic Dutch paintings. That’s really intriguing! But it’s true that the Dutch, in general, are very open and direct in speaking their mind. I’m a very good example of that and I’ve seen many faces crumple in the UK, since I live here.
                    English people in the countryside don’t speak their mind when they’re supposed to. They often hear what’s expected to be heard, all else is phased out. Hence the numerous hear-aids in the UK. In the UK politeness out of obligation is killing! It’s one of the reasons why this society is drifting into quicksand, slowly. The UK dinosaurs in power need to be shaken out of their sleep for sure, these powdered wigs in parliament are hilarious! No beating around the bush, by being polite aka keeping the peace, is a solution. This will become clear in the near future. I’m enjoying myself tremendously, on the right side of retirement.

        • TeeJae

          They have probably bought into the American rhetoric and Capitalist propaganda.

        • CaiNaReal

          That’s exactly what the ruling party has been trying to do: destabilise the country from within to turn it into a new Cuba.

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    • Dave

      What we see here is lots of ignorance about Brazil´s true situation. It seems suspicious to write about some distant place you don´t live and know nothing about, just by hearing leaftist colaborators talking about it. Take care of your own country businesses, sir.

      And about Brics, we will eventually make it worth, after we clean the home over here. And Probably without pseudo-leaftists.

      • citizen477

        Well, Dave, why not help us understand Brazil’s “true” situation? Do you care to point out where in Draitser’s article do you have contention, disagreement?

        • Dave

          In a very short analisys, first, to make a “venezuelan style” of conspiracy analisys and try to force an explanation of Brasil into it, is simply absurd, because it simply doens´t fill, given the complexity the country holds in its size, number of diferent circunstances and combination of them. Second, yes, probably there are USA subtle attacks against any economic or political group tha face or could face USA interests around the world, financing local opposition leaders etc – but to create a possible reality where this could be determining of the Brazil´s problems would ignore the fact that the government in Brazil, and more – all the political aparatus – are deeply compromised with a brazilian-specific kind of making corruption and politics. This is independent of any political parties or ideology – there is no right of left wings, considering the exact meaning of the concepts, in Brazil´s main political scene. What occurs is an all-brazilian kind of arrangement to protract important decisions on every political sphere, regardless any political opinion. Put the blame on anti-BRICs conspiracies is to misguide the readers and a try to withdraw the blame of politics-roguery and rogue politicians in the pseudo-left-wing, that today act exactly as the pseudo-right-wing leftists were used to blame in the past.

        • Dave

          In a very short analisys, first, to make a “venezuelan style” of conspiracy analisys and try to force an explanation of Brasil into it, is simply absurd, given the complexity the country holds in its size, number of diferent circunstances and combination of them. Second, yes, probably there are USA subtle attacks against any economic or political group tha face or could face USA interests around the world, financing local opposition leaders etc, and would be naive to ignore this – but to create a possible reality where this could be determining of the Brazil´s problems would ignore the fact that the government in Brazil, and more – all the political aparatus – are deeply compromised with a brazilian-specific kind of making corruption and politics. This is independent of any political parties or ideology – there is no right of left wings, considering the exact meaning of these terms, in Brazil´s main political scene. What occurs is an all-brazilian kind of arrangement to protract important decisions on every political sphere, regardless any political opinion. To put the blame on anti-BRICs conspiracies is to misguide the readers and to try to withdraw the blame of politics-roguery and rogue politicians in the pseudo-left-wing, that today acts exactly as the pseudo-right-wing that the leftists had blamed in the past.

          • js

            I disagree with you: it is clear that these foreign groups want to have their way in Brazil for its alignment and pure idolatry by Brazilians of all things American. Most of the opposition that we saw on the streets are the 3rd generation of afflicted europeans and middle-eastern that came to prominence in Sao Paulo, now discontent with the results of the situation they created and maintained since they got to Brazil, established a middle class that now are, in very small numbers, part of the oligarchy, in detriment of the native Brazilians of the north that has provided SP with ignorant and cheap labour for their businesses all these years. Lula inverted the situation with very lofty plans to improve life in the northeast – the only part of Brazil with a positive net growth at this moment while SP is dragging the whole country’s economy with a huge recession and poor governance, they are stealing school lunch-money and closing classrooms there – and thus planting that reliable pool of laborers on their land and not moving to the southeast, SP and Rio.
            This alone is reason for the establishment to revolt and try a coup. But the fact that has kept this coup floating artificially is the big media by not showing for the past few years any accomplishments of the leftist governments which btw are huge, in continental proportions.
            The oligarchical media has relentlessly omitted the good and exponentially displayed the bad. The only thing they did not have made contingency for is the resolve of Presidenta Dilma to not fall at their convenience, if they want the power that bad, they will have to pry it of from her dead, cold hands.
            That is the reality of the country, and the Brics derailment attempt was met in kind by China by throwing the global market into a frenzy by devaluating their currency and dragging the rest of the worlds economies. Brazilian’s economy faired well after the Chinese move and has so far have 3 quarters with super-avits for our currency is also tethered to the Chinese yuan.
            This ludicrous idea that only one side of the political spectrum is ‘corrupt’ and the other side is honest and reliable is a proof of the brain-washing in huge scale done in Brazil. The opposition is using it as a tool to entice violence on people that are free to wear the color red but must refrain from it, for it is PT’S color.
            Despite of all of this BS, Brazil is still going on, Dilma delivered thousands of MCMV units, PBR food another huge oil reserve, the roads to the coast on this holiday were filed to the rim. Brazil is not dead or insolvent by any means.

            • itaia

              Yes, an excellent analysis. In fact agriculture is booming. Notice Katia Abreu, the former head of the Afrobusiness association and big land owner – is Minister for Agriculure and also of the wavering PMDB has recently said: “A captain does not leave his boat during a storm. Our party has been in this coalition since a dozen year !” She might be a national compromise candidate for presidency 2018.

              • js

                There is a need to PMDB to return to its core values, the values it held before the ‘Diretas Ja’ movement. what we see now is the wolves of ARENA in MDB’s skin. There are several good MDBistas still out there, but a spring clean is way past due. Out with the rubbish from ARENA!

                • itaia

                  Yes, there are or were “good people” in the PMDB, like Katia Abreu and Nelson Jobim. Jobim defended the independence of Brazil during his term as Defense Minister: He told the German NATO General Klaus Naumann in 2010: “We are not partners of the USA for its role in the world! Only South Americans are responsible for the defense of our subcontinent!” (The USA is trying to expand NATO into the South Atlantic !)

            • Dave

              Já que você provavelmente é brasileiro, reproduzindo o discurso lulista tão bem, podemos falar bom português: O PT, Dilma e Lula traíram seus discursos de esquerda há muito tempo. Dividem hoje as ruas com Maluf e Collor (!!!!!!!!!!), um tapa na cara de qualquer idealista que ainda sonhava com um ideal socialista depositado nessa turma. Ironia do destino, os evangélicos, pra você ter uma ideia, deram o maior de todos os tapas na cara, e com jogo de cintura (se éticamente ou não, é outra história) conseguiram fazer o que a esquerda nunca conseguiu e morre de rancores por isso: arregimentar enorme e real simpatia dos pobres do país (Bolsonaro acabou de se filiar ao PSC! Continua sendo enormemente subestimado e irá o Brasil todo pagar um preço absurdo por isso).

              Voltando ao PT e companhia, essa história de jogar a culpa do desastre econômico em fatores externos e “sabotagem direitista” não é só ignorância técnica: é má fé também, pilantragem até. E muitos de vocês ficam repetindo isso a todos os pulmões de modo que em praticamente nada se diferem dos néscios bolsonaristas em matéria de cegueira. O fato é que Dilma quebrou o país por um misto de inépcia generalizada misturada com arrogância, não só dela, como de todo o aparato esquerdista no Brasil, que jurava que a enorme injeção financeira recebida pelo Brasil nos anos de bonança, da fartura das commodities, jamais iria acabar. Acabou. E agora é ainda mais difícil de crer que pretendem continuar rolando o cocô e jogando a culpa em quer que seja (mesmo que de fato a culpa seja compartilhada, e sabemos que é), mas nem um milímetro de assumir responsabilidade por nada.

              Quanto à classe média “europeia” demais, americanizada, estapafúrdia, fútil e todos esses adjetivos que enchem a boca de tanta gente (pseudo) intelectualizada mas que se brincar leu meia dúzia de livros durante a vida inteira… bem, é tudo verdade mesmo. A classe média brasileira é um nojo. Mas ainda tô pra descobrir algum argumento ou razão que mostre claramente o porquê dela não poder ir pra as ruas reclamar, mesmo sendo fútil e achando que é rica… já que:

              1. também é composta por brasileiros, cidadãos, com direitos políticos;

              2. O PT e o governo não são de esquerda, mas curiosamente continuam sendo defendidos por supostos esquerdistas, mesmo dando grana de enxurrada pros bancos;

              3. Dados recentes mostram o descadastramento sistemático de UM MILHÃO de famílias no Bolsa-Família nos últimos 50 dias (nova classe C, a do milagre do Lula, vai descer de volta ou não vai? Vai…), mas ainda assim ninguém consegue (na esquerda) entender que sem dinheiro, no capitalismo, não dá pra fazer nada, nem mesmo justiça social e distribuição de renda;

              4. É fácil, barato e rápido ficar dando ibope pra gente do outro lado do mundo, como o cidadão autor do artigo dessa página, que não conhecem a realidade integral do país, a complexidade cultural, a fisiologia que fustiga até mesmo a “esquerda”, que no Brasil não tem nada a ver com o que eles chamam de esquerda lá fora, afinal, no Brasil a voz esquerdista, após compactuar tanto com bancos, enganar os mais pobres lhes prometendo ascensão social que não passa de voo de galinha (pois já está se esfacelando), e usar a classe média pra financiar todo o resto, extorquindo-a. Daí se a classe média (admitindo que ela realmente é fútil e egoísta) resolve gritar, é acusada apenas no defeito que tem, mas na sua acusação unilateral você esquece que ela também trabalha, paga imposto, precisa comer etc.

              Boa sorte na defesa de um modelo falido de esquerdistas incoerentes que, com a boca cheia de justiça social, abraçaram e cruzaram com o dinheiro permanentemente, mas vocês preferem tapar os olhos e não enxergar isso, criticando os mais sóbrios por orgulho como “os que ficam em cima do muro”, mas não dando o braço a torcer em relação ao que está errado.

              Boa sorte em tentar convencer alguém do indefensável.

              • js

                Longe se ser um cego PTista ou seguidor de outra sigla qq q existem por ai. O q eu defendo eh o mantimento da democracia. A Dilma ganhou a eleição e acabou.
                Qt a posição da classe media eu concordo plenamente com sua posição, trabalham, pagam impostos, teem direito a opinião como tds, porem a narrativa negativa q carregam consigo me constrange: ataques racistas? ataques a ‘vermelhos’? ataques a feministas? Não tem mais nada a fazer com seu tempo? bater panela so por bater panela? A classe media esta seguindo o caminho mais largo dessa luta e por isso vira alvo de dissidentes e bonequinha da ultra-direita.
                De fato, nunca se lucrou tanto no mundo como nossos banqueiros, e qual a finalidade deles na malha social? Nenhuma? A narrativa da esquerda eh q nos queremos nossa parte dessa torta, não aos juros escorchantes. Não ao abuso nas tarifas para ‘gerenciar’nossas finanças.
                O fato de eu viver fora do meu pais não me desqualifica de forma alguma em esperar um futuro melhor para tds. Aqui, vc ve o brilho nos olhos das crianças, com possibilidades infinitas, porem, ate aqui ja esta batendo esta onda fascista, onde o cidadão de menores posses não são dados e de fato, são ate tomados alguns direitos para beneficiar nossa elite. Esse brilho q outrora vi nos olhos de tds as crianças aqui, hoje ja não mais existe para tds, e coisa q notei com o passar de meus anos: eu nunca vi no passado esse brilho nos olhos das criança no Brasil: as crianças de antigamente eram resignadas, sendo os pobres e pretos relegados a senzala e o branco classe media entitulado a um futuro promissor. As cartas eram marcadas em desfavor do preto e pobre. Sempre foi assim e a classe media não tem vergonha de pedir o retorno dessa situação, isso me corrói, a desfaçatez da classe media.
                Vejo isso em minha familia, com um tio enchendo o carro novo de sobrinhos, esposas de sobrinhos, filhos de sobrinhos para uma semana de ferias não planejadas ao mesmo tempo em q desce o sarrafo nas políticas econômicas do PT, qd nunca fez tanto dinheiro qt agora e a despeito disso, reclama, reclama e reclama.
                Vc pode identificar a ‘esquerda’ brasileira como nativa e eu concordo c vc. Não existe a necessidade de se preparar para um inverno no Brasil como nos outros países desenvolvidos. Portanto isso afeta muito o nosso modelo de esquerda. Mas a vc vir e rejeitar q existe uma esquerda q, por um motivo singular somente, tirou milhões de pessoas da fome miserável, quando o q recebeu do FHC uma criança por minuto morrendo de fome e de doenças totalmente tratáveis, eh um esculacho a validade de td o seu comentário.
                Defendo aqui minha posição, de mais ninguém q governo eleito, se remove nas urnas e somente nas urnas: o q vai acontecer qd o E Cunha ou o Renan baterem a porta do Alvorada com um pedido de impedimento da Dilma? Ela vai mandar entrar para um cafezinho? Duvido.

                • Dave

                  Caro JS, eu concordaria com quase tudo que vc disse, exceto que foi a esquerda a grande responsável por tirar milhões de pessoas da miséria. Tempos atrás eu fiquei com essa pulga atrás da orelha, em relação a essa ideia, e comecei a fazer levantamentos sobre esse argumento. Bem, uma das coisas que intrigam é o fato do Ministério do Desenvolvimento, dentre outras instituições oficiais, em seus portais de transparência, mostrarem hoje os balancetes da quantidade de dinheiro que o país ganhou com o boom extremo de commodities, a expansão artificial do crédito tornando o mercado consumidor altamente anabolizado, um surto de empolgação ao se achar que o Brasil estava passando por uma descoberta de prosperidade que duraria no mínimo 100 anos… algumas mentes direitistas criticavam, obviamente com uma pitada de inveja… mas outras apartidárias, mais sóbrias, só que a empolgação e oba-oba era tão grande que ninguém ouvia, e eu lembro claramente, há 6 ou 7 anos atrás, essas pessoas dizerem: não vai durar. Nem a prosperidade, e nem a tal diminuição da miséria. Aí vem a pergunta: como sabiam disso? Se o fator da atual crise econômica fosse realmente tão externo, tão alimentado pela grande mídia e oposição, como que, por A + B, isso já era cantado a tantos anos?

                  Então percebi que com alguns trilhões (sim, vários trilhões) você pode anabolizar qualquer mercado consumidor e…. mesmo que temporariamente, sim, tirar milhões da miséria. Mas o problema é: acabado o surto psicótico, a ideia bobinha de esquerda de que “basta tirar dos ricos com imposto de renda, repassar aos pobres, e está feita a redistribuição”, a conta chegou.

                  O Brasil agora encontra-se nesse exato momento da conta chegando e caindo a ficha de todo um país que sempre deixa tudo pra última hora e empurra tudo com a barriga (e creio que é por essa e outras que você picou a mula do Brasil, dentre outros motivos talvez, no nem eu e nem ninguém pode te culpar), de que a aposentadoria é impagável, o projeto mal feito de estado social imitador de primeiro mundo não deu nem pro começo, e o tal sonho de esquerda foi feito às custas dos pobres (dos votos), mas nunca, jamais, em função deles. Você leu o que eu falei sobre um milhão de bolsas família cortadas nos últimos 40 dias, sorrateiramente? pois é. O desemprego passou dos dois dígitos já, e vai disparar. ESCREVE AÍ: Vai haver mais gente pobre e passando necessidade daqui a dois anos do que havia há 30 anos atrás.

                  Entendo sua preocupação com a democracia. Mas honestamente? O Brasil nunca teve as tais “instituições fortes” que todos adoravam bater no peito pra dizer, e muito menos democracia de verdade, dado o estado oligárquico e semi-feudal que grande parte do país vive. Muita gente ainda nem sequer se deu conta disso, e aí é que mora o perigo. Vai haver impeachment, de fato, e isso está mais que selado há meses, alguns palpitavam esse desfecho há mais de um ano ou dois até.

                  E o que vai acontecer? Um retrocesso? Talvez, momentaneamente, sim. Mas por outro lado o país convulsionará a convulsão da catarse, se contorcendo talvez ele encontre uma correção definitiva, e não temporária, pra todos os seus verdadeiros e profundos problemas, aprendendo a não mais dar trela pra oportunistas periódicos como Lula ou FHC, esquerda ou direita, mas apostando em soluções permanentes e sérias.

                  E se isso não for possível, e os aproveitadores continuarem por cima da situação? Bem, creio que continuar do jeito que está, não vai dar mais, pois a conta não mais fecha. Então, ou o país arruma uma solução séria e realista… ou o caminho será a dissolução do pacto federativo a médio passo… ou coisa pior.

                  Dê graças a deus por morar longe do país nesse momento obscuro e não ter que assistir à total falência da esquerda que prometia o céu mas abraçou o capeta e zombou dos pobres, e que você provavelmente ajudou a eleger em tempos passados.

                • Dave

                  Caro JS, eu concordaria com quase tudo que vc disse, exceto que foi a esquerda a grande responsável por tirar milhões de pessoas da miséria. Tempos atrás eu fiquei com essa pulga atrás da orelha, em relação a essa ideia, e comecei a fazer levantamentos sobre esse argumento. Bem, uma das coisas que intrigam é o fato do Ministério do Desenvolvimento, dentre outras instituições oficiais, em seus portais de transparência, mostrarem hoje os balancetes da quantidade de dinheiro que o país ganhou com o boom extremo de commodities, a expansão artificial do crédito tornando o mercado consumidor altamente anabolizado, um surto de empolgação ao se achar que o Brasil estava passando por uma descoberta de prosperidade que duraria no mínimo 100 anos… algumas mentes direitistas criticavam, obviamente com uma pitada de inveja… mas outras apartidárias, mais sóbrias, diziam que isso não ia durar, mas a empolgação e oba-oba era tão grande que ninguém ouvia, e eu lembro claramente, há 6 ou 7 anos atrás, essas pessoas dizerem: não vai durar. Nem a prosperidade, e nem a tal diminuição da miséria. Aí vem a pergunta: como sabiam disso? Se o fator da atual crise econômica fosse realmente tão externo, tão alimentado pela grande mídia e oposição, como que, por A + B, isso já era cantado por tantos anos?

                  Então percebi que com alguns trilhões (sim, vários trilhões) você pode anabolizar qualquer mercado consumidor e…. mesmo que temporariamente, sim, tirar milhões da miséria. Mas o problema é: acabado o surto psicótico, a ideia bobinha de esquerda de que “basta tirar dos ricos com imposto de renda, repassar aos pobres, e está feita a redistribuição”, a conta chegou.

                  O Brasil agora encontra-se nesse exato momento da conta chegando e caindo a ficha de todo um país que sempre deixa tudo pra última hora e empurra tudo com a barriga (e creio que é por essa e outras que você picou a mula do Brasil, dentre outros motivos talvez, no nem eu e nem ninguém pode te culpar), de que a aposentadoria é impagável, o projeto mal feito de estado social imitador de primeiro mundo não deu nem pro começo, e o tal sonho de esquerda foi feito às custas dos pobres (dos votos), mas nunca, jamais, em função deles. Você leu o que eu falei sobre um milhão de bolsas família cortadas nos últimos 40 dias, sorrateiramente? pois é. O desemprego passou dos dois dígitos já, e vai disparar. ESCREVE AÍ: Vai haver mais gente pobre e passando necessidade daqui a dois anos do que havia há 30 anos atrás.

                  Entendo sua preocupação com a democracia. Mas honestamente? O Brasil nunca teve as tais “instituições fortes” que todos adoravam bater no peito pra dizer, e muito menos democracia de verdade, dado o estado oligárquico e semi-feudal que grande parte do país vive. Muita gente ainda nem sequer se deu conta disso, e aí é que mora o perigo. Vai haver impeachment, de fato, e isso está mais que selado há meses, alguns palpitavam esse desfecho há mais de um ano ou dois até.

                  E o que vai acontecer? Um retrocesso? Talvez, momentaneamente, sim. Mas por outro lado o país convulsionará a convulsão da catarse, se contorcendo talvez ele encontre uma correção definitiva, e não temporária, pra todos os seus verdadeiros e profundos problemas, aprendendo a não mais dar trela pra oportunistas periódicos como Lula ou FHC, esquerda ou direita, mas apostando em soluções permanentes e sérias.

                  E se isso não for possível, e os aproveitadores continuarem por cima da situação? Bem, creio que continuar do jeito que está, não vai dar mais, pois a conta não mais fecha. Então, ou o país arruma uma solução séria e realista… ou o caminho será a dissolução do pacto federativo a médio prazo… ou coisa pior.

                  Dê graças a deus por morar longe do país nesse momento obscuro e não ter que assistir à total falência da esquerda que prometia o céu mas abraçou o capeta e zombou dos pobres, e que você provavelmente (assim como eu) ajudou a eleger em tempos passados… e agora fica entre a cruz e a espada, engolir o orgulho e dar o braço a torcer de que a esquerda é mais capitalista e animalesca que alguns dos piores direitistas, ou continuar acariciando os sonhos molhados de uma esquerda redentora que “pecou um pouquinho”, mas “ainda é melhor que a direita” (ledo engano).

                  Sobre a distribuição de riqueza da esquerda, fico com Frei Beto: a esquerda tupiniquim deu aos pobres o acesso a bens de consumo, geladeiras, TVs, computadores etc. Mas isso não tira ninguém da miséria, pois não são bens culturais. Os únicos bens realmente capazes de transformar a vida das pessoas são os bens culturais permanentes, quais sejam, educação, saúde etc.

                  • js

                    Qd vc fala q eh impossível creditar o “fim” da fome ao Lula e me remeto aos tempos em q crianças batiam a porta de minha mãe, com uma lata, q mais parecia ser de lavage, do q “resto de comida” tds os dias da semana. Isso em uma cidade pequena de interior. Nos sabíamos quem eram essas crianças, quem eram os pais e contribuíamos sempre q possível. A poucos dias me deparei com imagens oriundas do período FHC, onde o Brazil quebrou 3 vzs e as crianças morriam uma a cada minuto, de fome ou de doenças de pais pobre, o q não é o nosso caso. Passaram-se quinhentos anos e a situação parecia definitiva e q nos deveríamos nos resignar ao status quo, pois dali seria impossível sair. Então o Lula é eleito em um período de vacas gordas, concordo contigo, e teve a petulância de envolver as massas no abastamento do pais, coisa inédita e q por isto foi levado, preso diga-se de passagem, para depor na paroquia de curitiba. Não fosse um militar patriota a impedir q tal desmando fosse levado a cabo, nos estaríamos ja hoje em total convulsão social por capricho de um juiz de primeira instancia q se arvorou a voar muito proximo ao sol. Aqui tem nossas opines se tangem, pois se tivéssemos instituições fortes, jamais teríamos vividos aqueles momentos de incerteza q o narcisismo de um paroquiano impôs a economia global.
                    No Brazil se desviam 1.5 trilhão de reais ao ano com impostos sonegados e corrupção. É de espantar a morosidade do MP-SP em receber o dinheiro q a Alstom quer devolver aos cofres Paulistas, pois se o Alkimin aceitar o governo estará aceitando o crime imputado ao seu governo. O dinheiro da merenda, os 65 milhoes q estão ao dispor do Gov do estado de SP para mitigar a situação de famílias em situação precária intacto enquanto se prega o fechamento de escolas por falta de dinheiro. Eu vejo nestas situações que o que de fato existe é uma carência de vontade em fazer o que é o correto, simplesmente por ainda se encontrarem essas mentes paradas no tempo do” para quem é, bacalhau basta”, lembra-se? Creio eu que voce ha de convir q não é a falta de dinheiro que nos aflige e sim a falta de respeito de um poucos.
                    No contexto historico, nossa sociedade é ainda incipiente e, com o desapego às necessidades básicas da população em geral, o interesse nunca existiu ou se existiu, não perdurou pois as pessoas se alquebraram perante às forças estabelecidas, se sucumbiram e se ajuntaram ao poder corrupto. Ja que nos concordamos que dinheiro é o que não falta, sempre faltou vergonha da parte de nossos eleitos. E voce omite, talvez por ignorância ou por qualquer que seja a razão, que mesmo aqui nos EUA, Nixon foi destituído, por ironia da situação dos MP de SP que usaram a situação Americana para citar precedente, por ter invadido os sigilos de comunicação dos Democratas, assim como foi feito com o PT, Lula, Dilma e os advogados do Lula, so para mencionar os que sabemos. E para os desavisados do MP de SP, como condição para a renuncia ele foi perdoado pelo seu sucessor e o mundo continuou a girar. Nos temos o exemplo da Alemanha Nazista não tao longe e da Russia Stalinista para ficar no plano Europeu e não me perder em todas as mazelas que se passaram no ultimo século. Voce diz q nossas instituicoes não são maduras, o q dizer dessas culturas q veem se matando uns aos outros pelos últimos mil anos? As guerras do G. W. Bush? O que falar delas? Foi uma fraqueza das instituições Americanas? Claro que foi, pois os Americanos pensam que não podem fazer nada de errado e assim conduzem suas políticas externas, internas e sociais. Portanto desejar e esperar que as instituições Brasileiras se comportem dentro de seus limites de ação não é nada de mais, e sim uma obrigação do cidadão.
                    Voce apontou oportunamente um dos desfechos dessa insurreição seria a quebra do Pacto Federativo, porem com uma desfaçatez imensurável, esta é uma das razoes para a Dilma só sair do Planalto em um caixote de pinho pois, uma vez que o pais se quebre, haverá influxo externo para nos separar de vez, já que uma região é totalmente dependente da outra. E não seria do nosso interesse, nós patriotas, que o Brasil se dividisse e fosse conquistado por outros Impérios, de volta a situação de colônia que insistem a nos forçar de volta. Antes de oferecer esta situação como uma possibilidade, preferiria ver o que o Yeltsin fez em Moscou nos idos 90, por tanques na Praça dos Três Poderes e trazer os oportunistas do Congresso aos joelhos, nunca entregar o destino do pais à um bando de ratos ali residentes.
                    A falência nao é da esquerda e sim do estado de direito, que voce insiste em negar existe, o PT tem posto em andamento programas incríveis de transformação social, de inclusão social e se isso for o pecado por que estão pagando agora, vale o sofrimento pois não ha conquistas sem lutas, não são tao apreciadas.
                    Nao cultuo personalidades desde pequeno, elas se passarão o que ficara são seus legados, portanto anos sei de quem fala quando menciona o Frei Beto, porem ouso expandir o seu resumo simplista dele: tiveram acesso aos bens de consumo mas também a escola, a saúde, a casa própria, a um volume imenso de infraestrutura, a uma abertura democrática, ao combate a corrupção, acesso a liberdade de expressão. O pecado maior do Lula e da Dilma foi não conter dentro dos limites da CF, os desmandos oriundos da oligarquia meditativa e por isso pagamos todos nos.
                    O que esta em jogo são esses avanços que nunca pensamos teríamos em nossas vidas, ousamos a sonhar e quando o sonho se tornou a realidade vivida, nos deparamos com a reação dos abastados, que se vestem de verde e amarelo como se fossem eles os guardiões de nosso orgulho de ser Brasileiro, essa mesma gente q leva babá empurrando as crianças como na charge d três dias passados.
                    Essa é a bandeira que a FIESP e companhia vestem, a do retrocesso, da desigualdade, da exclusão.

                    • Dave

                      Também sou do interior. No meu caso, venho de cidadezinha do sertão da Bahia. Sei como é a amargura das populações pobres do país, e sei também a melhora que deram na última década. Mas te digo: estão, agora, voltando a “uma mão na frente, e outra atrás”, pois uma das maiores fontes de renda desses municípios (que nunca poderiam, há 50 anos, ter virado municípios), que são as verbas repassadas por governo federal/estadual, se exauriu, e estão em situação já desesperadora.

                      Costumo dizer que o Brasil vem queimando gorduras vastas próprias como um perdulário eterno (recursos naturais, mercado consumidor potencial, expansão de terras férteis/potencial de alimentação, mão-de-obra barata), mas parece que chegou-se ao grande limite dessa queima de gordura, que durou 100 anos, pois começou na república velha. Acabou a farra… o PT e a esquerda cometeram um único grande erro quanto a isso: nas palavras do atual ministro Jacques Wagner, “enlambuzou-se”, ou seja, abraçou a oligarquia e flertou com o dinheiro, jogando fora tudo o que traçou de plano pra si décadas atrás. Deus salve Heloísa Helena, que o diga.

                      “E voce omite, talvez por ignorância ou por qualquer que seja a razão, que mesmo aqui nos EUA, Nixon foi destituído, por ironia da situação dos MP de SP que usaram a situação Americana para citar precedente”. Eu não omiti, não, apenas não me atentei pra usar isso como exemplo pois não me pareceu que viria ao caso. Mas eu concordo.

                      Sim, Alckmin e outras oligarquias semi-feudais no país são terríveis e altamente aferradas ao pior modelo de exercício de poder que pode haver no país. Há, todavia, por parte de esquerdistas, a ideia errônea de que quem critica a esquerda no governo ama Alckmin e oligarcas. Esse é um engano. Eu torço, particularmente, pra ver a ora de tucanos e outros celerados também chegar.

                      Sobre a fraqueza das instituições, reconheço que os EUA tem lá seus problemas, dos quais inclusive sou extremamente crítico. Mas no caso discutido, estamos falando do Brasil. Pra quem vive do Brasil e para o Brasil, o correto é exigir o máximo, sim, pois já damos tudo em troca, o sangue, o dinheiro suado, a sanidade mental, tudo.

                      “Voce apontou oportunamente um dos desfechos dessa insurreição seria a quebra do Pacto Federativo, porém com uma desfaçatez imensurável (…)” – Caro JS, não é desfaçatez, é a REALIDADE. Não estou fazendo uma torcida, emitindo uma opinião ou desejo, veja bem. Estou fazendo uma pura e simples constatação da realidade. Eu sou baiano, e moro em São Paulo, prefiro ver a integração do país, a concórdia entre os povos de diferentes regiões, a semelhança cultural etc, até porque eu sou um beneficiário direto disso, e ainda que não fosse, seria burrice pensar que algo diferente disso pudesse dar bons frutos.

                      Mas a realidade é: como eu disse lá atrás, a farra do boi brasileiro, gordura de sobra, após 100 anos de um modelo republicano perdulário, que arrasta seus vícios por todo esse período (parece brincadeira, mas ão é), continuam até hoje mas agora o potencial natural de contenção dessa farra se exauriu.

                      Desde o encilhamento de Rui Barbosa, no começo da república, certas práticas republicanas alucinadas continuam até hoje, gastando a energia vital do país em troca de promover uma paz social totalmente inflada e artificial. É daí que eu falo que não são as instituições brasileiras que são totalmente maduras: é o potencial continental humano, natural, econômico do país que sustenta isso tudo, não a “maturidade”. Basta ver o grosso dos magistrados brasileiros e tantos outros carreiristas. Trocamos barões e viscondes por doutores, magistrados e outros. Grande parte ainda se comporta como tais, inclusive. Isso jamais poderia ser maturidade, mas apenas uma nova roupagem pra grupelhos já bem antigos.

                      “uma vez que o pais se quebre, haverá influxo externo para nos separar de vez, já que uma região é totalmente dependente da outra. E não seria do nosso interesse, nós patriotas, que o Brasil se dividisse e fosse conquistado por outros Impérios e, retornar a situação de colônia que insistem a nos forçar de volta.” Eu duvido muito, exceto se Donald Trump, de quem se pode tudo esperar, ganhe nos EUA. Ainda assim, influir no Brasil dessa forma, é muito difícil, pois há múltiplos interesses de potencias envolvidas num mundo multipolar (China, Russia etc, contrabalanceando EUA, e vice-versa), e não mais homogêneo (EUA com América do Sul como quintal). O Brasil em 1940, disputado por potências em Guerra, tinha 40 milhões de habitantes, era totalmente agrário, nada influente fora da América do Sul e uma economia risível.

                      O Brasil em 2016 tem 200 milhões de habitantes, tem influência, se não em pé de igualdade mas pelo o menos como parceiro estratégico importante pra várias potências (é um soft power), a economia é a oitava do mundo. E nada disso pode ser majoritariamente creditado na conta da esquerda! Quem tem esse mérito sou eu, e você se aqui morou e trabalhou na última década, e milhões de pessoas que acordam cedo, labutam, recolhem impostos, geram prosperidade e tudo o mais. E se fossem direitistas no poder, que não o PT, igualmente não teriam mais mérito nenhum sobre isso tudo também, pois o mérito é majoritariamente do brasileiro, que não foi assim tão bem capitaneado nisso – se tivesse realmente sido bem dirigido, não amargaríamos crise nenhuma pelas próximas muitas décadas e tudo ganho nos últimos 15 anos extremamente bem empregado pensando no futuro, não na próxima eleição – mas nada disso foi feito, perdemos o bonde da história.

                      “o PT tem posto em andamento programas incríveis de transformação social, de inclusão social e se isso for o pecado por que estão pagando agora, vale o sofrimento pois não ha conquistas sem lutas, não são tao apreciadas.” JS, você lá atrás concordou que o boom de injeção de capital no país permitiu muita coisa. Você realmente crê que programas sociais e projetos de inclusão devem durar apenas o tempo enquanto um governo de esquerda esteja no poder? É isso? Sim, pois se o país incha em capital, começa a investir em programas sociais, beneficia pessoas, mas assim que o influxo termina o país tira o pão da boca de quem recebeu, começa a chorar miséria e não consegue mais manter a prosperidade passada, onde está o erro? Como vc imagina que projetos sociais são custeados? Com mangas, arrancadas do quintal da vovó? “Ah, mas vamos então tirar da oligarquia e dos bancos pra dar aos pobres”, e quem vai dar o tal primeiro tiro na revolução comunista radical que pra isso é necessária? (sim, está provado que só assim é que dá), a esquerda brasileira, altamente revolucionária? (vendida) rsrsrs..

                      Eu voto em Ciro gomes na próxima eleição. Tem vários defeitos, mas ate hoje nunca se provou que se corrompeu, tem preparo técnico pra pensar políticas de igualdade dentro de um sistema capitalista e não se ilude com conversadores e espertalhões de meia pataca como os do PT e do resto da esquerda.

                      Você citou a Rússia, com Yeltsin dando um contra-golpe pra evitar que o colapso do país se consumasse. Antes dele, Gorbatchev dissuadiu outras tentativas. Mas não foi o povo sozinho nas ruas gritando quem fez isso acontecer, e o povo foi até de mínima importância. Quem garantiu a transição foram generais leais, principalmente na divisão Tamanskaya, mais o apoio de centros de mídia e magnatas russos ao novo modelo pró-abertura.

                      Sobre Frei Betto, vale a pena ler, de verdade: http://www.redebrasilatual.com.br/blogs/blog-na-rede/2015/05/para-frei-betto-atual-crise-denota-esgotament-de-modelo-baseado-no-consumo-4350.html

                      Sobre o teu discurso do sonho, da distribuição, prosperidade etc… me desculpe, de verdade, pelo que vou dizer. Mas é de uma beleza ingênua ímpar, esse discurso. Pois é achar que Lula é um visionário idealista (passa longe), uma espécie de Messias ou Arauto de uma nova era pro Brasil (passa mais longe ainda), e que grandes e profundas mudanças transformadoras, o “sonho”, foi realizado no Brasil na última década, quando a grande verdade (que o autor do artigo lá em cima parece ignorar completamente): não foi nada disso realizado dessa maneira. A grande expressão pra caracterizar o que aconteceu no Brasil é: Voo de galinha. Volto a te pedir: anota aí, em 2 anos vai haver mais gente em miséria sofrendo do que há 30 anos.

                      Por último, te digo que se a Dilma vai resistir de arma na mão quando forem tirar ela do Planalto, isso é com ela. Se ela tá pensando que o povo vai ficar do lado dela e se insurgir contra as oligarquias, ela tá enganada. Primeiro, que sim, a mídia manipula com a oposição. Segundo, se a esquerda tivesse realmente feito conquistas importantes, o povo agora estaria do lado deles, mas não está. Um mês após ela cair, mal se vai lembrar do nome dela. O curioso é que 90% da culpa disso tudo é da própria. Vão entregar o país, infelizmente, pro que há de pior na direita, e de mãos beijadas.

                      • Atineli

                        Dave, o teu discurso é furado do começo ao fim !! Nem parece conhecer o Brasil… Dilma e Lula ja viraram o jogo. A verdade é que a direita do Brasil é uma vergonha, nem programa de governo esses caras tem! O Brasil mudou e vai continuar a mudar graças ao PT!!! Claro que o PT, Lula e Dilma erraram mas são os unicos que pensam o Brasil como um todo e não como um pais ainda colonizado e vira-lata. Acho que você ja entendeu que o povo esta do lado de Dilma, do Lula e do PT. Quem vai querer a direita: Temer, Cunha, Aécio, Alckmim, FHC ??!! Os piores ratos da politica brasileira dos ultimos tempos. Conseguiram se enterrar de vez com essa tentativa de golpe. NAO VAI TER GOLPE, VAI TER LUTA !!!

                      • Dave

                        Furada é sua cara de pau e oportunismo, cidadão!

                        “Lula e Dilma viraram o jogo”… é pra rir, cara? Em que mundo você vive?

                        “A Direita no Brasil é uma vergonha, nem programa eles têm” – de fato, é mesmo uma vergonha, mas o que te faz pensar nessa tua cabeça desorientada que a esquerda é menos vergonhosa e/ou tem programas melhores?

                        “Lula e Dilma pensam no Brasil como um todo” – vc tá escalado no famoso time dos militontos. Pode cair o mundo à sua volta, que vc não vai enxergar um palmo sequer do naipe nojento da turma que vc tá defendendo. Se por ingenuidade ou por vocação à pilantragem, aí já fica a seu critério.

                        “Acho que você ja entendeu que o povo esta do lado de Dilma, do Lula e do PT” – QUE POVO, cara pálida? Andou bebendo, colega? Dilma tá com rejeições batendo a de Collor nesse momento já, e Lula, se fosse candidato hoje, por todos os institutos de pesquisa, tomaria pau até mesmo do safado do Aécio!

                        Ninguém sério o bastante quer Temer, nem Cunha, nem Aécio, nem Alckmin e etcetera. Mas muito menos quer Lula ou Dilma!

                        Sabe qual seu grande problema, e o de mais uma patota de gente cega e surda? Num quer dar o braço a torcer que seus idolozões de meia pataca se aliaram aos bancos, grandes empreiteiras, Maluf, Collor e mais uma porção de gentalha que não vale um tostão furado sequer.

                        Tudo indica que vai, sim, haver um impeachment de Dilma, provavelmente por obstrução à justiça ou a chapa da eleição de 2014 vai ser cassada (que seria o mais correto). Então vc pode sentar e aí chorar à vontade comendo seu misto de mortadela…

                      • Atineli

                        Dave, você esta por fora mesmo! O jogo ja virou e os coxinhas vão ter que comer muita coxinha podre pra sair disso! hehehehehehe Viva o mundo dos mortadelas, do PT, do Lula e da Dilma, mundo cheio de amor, de paz, de luta, de cidadania, de Carta Magna respeitada, de Stédile, de Boulos, de Chico Buarque, de blogs sujos, de pré-sal, de Brics, de Lula respeitado e admirado no mundo inteiro, de coisas que vocês nunca foram e jamais serão! Simples assim! Melhor ficar chorando no teu cantinho porque além de repactuar o governo Dilma o Brasil ainda vai dar uma guinada com o Ministro da Casa Civil, com o dignissimo Lula que ja esta articulando novas mediadas economicas. Aceite que vocês perderam e agora precisam se concentrar no trabalho para concorrer em 2018 qdo serão novamente trucidados nas urnas! Viva a democracia! NAO VAI TER GOLPE, VAI TER LUTA !!! hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

    • Hermes Magnus

      The left is being hunted in Brazil because is corrupt and stole a lot of money to support the power!

      • citizen477

        However, it is my understanding that there are other political leaders in the country who are not part of the Workders’ Party, but who are equally corrupt, yet their “sins” are being ignored.

      • TeeJae

        Did you even read the article?

      • Marian Baghor

        Well, it depends on what you mean by criminals. In Brazil, some politicians won’t agree with you,
        that criminals should be in jail. They’re much better off in the government, so they can stay out of it.
        There’s no politics without criminals, nowadays, I think. Look at the world we live in!?

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    • Jim Prendergast

      Brics will come out on top. Brazil has been through this before. Viva Brazil! Viva Brics!

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    • tapatio

      There is no doubt that the unrest in Brazil, like that in Ukraine, is US funded and directed. The predatory capitalists that control the US are very much afraid of the economic and political power of the BRICs nations and what they can do to the Rothschild-Bilderberg criminal empire.

      • Jason Bourne

        Sure, as you type this in your home that you’ve probably rarely ever left. It’s strange that people these days feel that having google at their fingertips scrolling through sketchy anti-American forums and bias news medias think they’re some kind of genius when it comes to the inner machinations of the world and how things truly work behind the scenes. Sure, it could be true, but do you really think you have the authority to say what you’re saying? Have you been there? Have you seen the so-called rich elite class running the world first-hand? Or is it just your hunch?

        I repeat, it could be true. It’s so easy to point fingers at secretive groups of rich elites and picture them ordering the execution of the victimized lower classes as they shove cupcakes and doughnuts in their mouths. Is it logical? No. Is it Plausible? Maybe. My point? Your claims are just claims. Why they call them conspiracy theories, I don’t know. These “theories” don’t even truly meet the criteria of the actual definition of a theory to even be called theories. They’re just stabs in the dark. It’s like playing darts blindfolded. You know the bull’s eye is there, and you think you threw the dart in the right direction, but there’s no way to truly tell whether you hit the bull’s eye or not. You catch my drift?

        • tapatio

          THE CONTROLLING INTEREST IN ALMOST EVERY BANK ON THIS LIST CAN BE VERIFIED THROUGH RECORDS OF THE GOVERNMENTS

          Rothschild-Owned Central Banks of the World
          Afghanistan: Bank of Afghanistan
          Albania: Bank of Albania
          Algeria: Bank of Algeria
          Argentina: Central Bank of Argentina
          Armenia: Central Bank of Armenia
          Aruba: Central Bank of Aruba
          Australia: Reserve Bank of Australia
          Austria: Austrian National Bank
          Azerbaijan: Central Bank of Azerbaijan Republic
          Bahamas: Central Bank of The Bahamas
          Bahrain: Central Bank of Bahrain
          Bangladesh: Bangladesh Bank
          Barbados: Central Bank of Barbados
          Belarus: National Bank of the Republic of Belarus
          Belgium: National Bank of Belgium
          Belize: Central Bank of Belize
          Benin: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Bermuda: Bermuda Monetary Authority
          Bhutan: Royal Monetary Authority of Bhutan
          Bolivia: Central Bank of Bolivia
          Bosnia: Central Bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina
          Botswana: Bank of Botswana
          Brazil: Central Bank of Brazil
          Bulgaria: Bulgarian National Bank
          Burkina Faso: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Burundi: Bank of the Republic of Burundi
          Cambodia: National Bank of Cambodia
          Cameroon: Bank of Central African States
          Canada: Bank of Canada – Banque du Canada
          Cayman Islands: Cayman Islands Monetary Authority
          Central African Republic: Bank of Central African States
          Chad: Bank of Central African States
          Chile: Central Bank of Chile
          China: The People’s Bank of China
          Colombia: Bank of the Republic
          Comoros: Central Bank of Comoros
          Congo: Bank of Central African States
          Costa Rica: Central Bank of Costa Rica
          Côte d’Ivoire: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Croatia: Croatian National Bank
          Cuba: Central Bank of Cuba
          Cyprus: Central Bank of Cyprus
          Czech Republic: Czech National Bank
          Denmark: National Bank of Denmark
          Dominican Republic: Central Bank of the Dominican Republic
          East Caribbean area: Eastern Caribbean Central Bank
          Ecuador: Central Bank of Ecuador
          Egypt: Central Bank of Egypt
          El Salvador: Central Reserve Bank of El Salvador
          Equatorial Guinea: Bank of Central African States
          Estonia: Bank of Estonia
          Ethiopia: National Bank of Ethiopia
          European Union: European Central Bank
          Fiji: Reserve Bank of Fiji
          Finland: Bank of Finland
          France: Bank of France
          Gabon: Bank of Central African States
          The Gambia: Central Bank of The Gambia
          Georgia: National Bank of Georgia
          Germany: Deutsche Bundesbank
          Ghana: Bank of Ghana
          Greece: Bank of Greece
          Guatemala: Bank of Guatemala
          Guinea Bissau: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Guyana: Bank of Guyana
          Haiti: Central Bank of Haiti
          Honduras: Central Bank of Honduras
          Hong Kong: Hong Kong Monetary Authority
          Hungary: Magyar Nemzeti Bank
          Iceland: Central Bank of Iceland
          India: Reserve Bank of India
          Indonesia: Bank Indonesia
          Iran: The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran
          Iraq: Central Bank of Iraq
          Ireland: Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland
          Israel: Bank of Israel
          Italy: Bank of Italy
          Jamaica: Bank of Jamaica
          Japan: Bank of Japan
          Jordan: Central Bank of Jordan
          Kazakhstan: National Bank of Kazakhstan
          Kenya: Central Bank of Kenya
          Korea: Bank of Korea
          Kuwait: Central Bank of Kuwait
          Kyrgyzstan: National Bank of the Kyrgyz Republic
          Latvia: Bank of Latvia
          Lebanon: Central Bank of Lebanon
          Lesotho: Central Bank of Lesotho
          Libya: Central Bank of Libya
          Lithuania: Bank of Lithuania
          Luxembourg: Central Bank of Luxembourg
          Macao: Monetary Authority of Macao
          Macedonia: National Bank of the Republic of Macedonia
          Madagascar: Central Bank of Madagascar
          Malawi: Reserve Bank of Malawi
          Malaysia: Central Bank of Malaysia
          Mali: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Malta: Central Bank of Malta
          Mauritius: Bank of Mauritius
          Mexico: Bank of Mexico
          Moldova: National Bank of Moldova
          Mongolia: Bank of Mongolia
          Montenegro: Central Bank of Montenegro
          Morocco: Bank of Morocco
          Mozambique: Bank of Mozambique
          Namibia: Bank of Namibia
          Nepal: Central Bank of Nepal
          Netherlands: Netherlands Bank
          Netherlands Antilles: Bank of the Netherlands Antilles
          New Zealand: Reserve Bank of New Zealand
          Nicaragua: Central Bank of Nicaragua
          Niger: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Nigeria: Central Bank of Nigeria
          Norway: Central Bank of Norway
          Oman: Central Bank of Oman
          Pakistan: State Bank of Pakistan
          Papua New Guinea: Bank of Papua New Guinea
          Paraguay: Central Bank of Paraguay
          Peru: Central Reserve Bank of Peru
          Philippines: Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas
          Poland: National Bank of Poland
          Portugal: Bank of Portugal
          Qatar: Qatar Central Bank
          Romania: National Bank of Romania
          Russia: Central Bank of Russia
          Rwanda: National Bank of Rwanda
          San Marino: Central Bank of the Republic of San Marino
          Samoa: Central Bank of Samoa
          Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency
          Senegal: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Serbia: National Bank of Serbia
          Seychelles: Central Bank of Seychelles
          Sierra Leone: Bank of Sierra Leone
          Singapore: Monetary Authority of Singapore
          Slovakia: National Bank of Slovakia
          Slovenia: Bank of Slovenia
          Solomon Islands: Central Bank of Solomon Islands
          South Africa: South African Reserve Bank
          Spain: Bank of Spain
          Sri Lanka: Central Bank of Sri Lanka
          Sudan: Bank of Sudan
          Surinam: Central Bank of Suriname
          Swaziland: The Central Bank of Swaziland
          Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank
          Switzerland: Swiss National Bank
          Tajikistan: National Bank of Tajikistan
          Tanzania: Bank of Tanzania
          Thailand: Bank of Thailand
          Togo: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)
          Tonga: National Reserve Bank of Tonga
          Trinidad and Tobago: Central Bank of Trinidad and Tobago
          Tunisia: Central Bank of Tunisia
          Turkey: Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey
          Uganda: Bank of Uganda
          Ukraine: National Bank of Ukraine
          United Arab Emirates: Central Bank of United Arab Emirates
          United Kingdom: Bank of England
          United States: The Dirty Nasty Stinky Fed, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
          Uruguay: Central Bank of Uruguay
          Vanuatu: Reserve Bank of Vanuatu
          Venezuela: Central Bank of Venezuela
          Vietnam: The State Bank of Vietnam
          Yemen: Central Bank of Yemen
          Zambia: Bank of Zambia
          Zimbabwe: Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe

        • TeeJae

          I would suggest doing more research. You clearly have not learned enough about this topic to criticize others for knowing more than you. Stop believing the lies mainstream media feeds you and research independent sources to learn the facts. As the saying goes, the truth is evident for those who wish to see it.

          And as for “conspiracy theorists,” they are just truth seekers.

          • Jason Bourne

            All of my previous point in my reply remain. You’ve rebutted none of it. I’m sorry, you say “research” as if it entails more than just scrolling through the dark web after lighting up a doobie with unverified and incitable sources while holding a conversation in a chat room full of like-minded people all agreeing with each other. Conspiracy theorists are truth seekers? Please. Einstein was a truth seeker. Your arguments in any situation involving things that are impossible to reveal unless you were actually there witnessing it yourself. The main stream media is garbage to say the least, you’re right there. But they aren’t selling lies so much as they’re selling bias. I mean, your only refutation to me is the appeal to authority fallacy. Saying I know nothing on the subject, and that you and the other guy have done extensive research doesn’t make your points and theories any more valid, if at all. It is not the job of the person receiving information to research the citations and proofs, it is the job of the so called “truth seeker”. Einstein’s theories had mathematics

      • Christopher Corvino

        there is not doupt that my nations politicians have been both past and present corrupt and over reliant on national resources rather then innovation like other countries. Its no surprise at all something like this happened. and no amount of western meddling was ever needed.

      • Christopher Corvino

        And its funny you call the US capitalist when these day’s its looking even more socialist under Obama and soon to be Sanders then even in so called communist china.