776 People Killed By Police So Far in 2015, 161 Of Them Unarmed

But, just 25 police officers have died from firearms-related violence in the same period.
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    St. Louis County Police arrest people along West Florissant Avenue, Monday, Aug. 10, 2015, in Ferguson, Mo. Ferguson was a community on edge again Monday, a day after a protest marking the anniversary of Michael Brown's death was punctuated with gunshots.

    St. Louis County Police arrest people along West Florissant Avenue, Monday, Aug. 10, 2015, in Ferguson, Mo.

    Editor’s Note: In November 2015, the total number of police killings surpassed 1,000.

    MINNEAPOLIS — So far in 2015, U.S. police killed 776 people, 161 of whom were completely unarmed at the time of their death.

    The data was compiled by The Guardian for a project called “The Counted,” a continuously updated, interactive database of police killings in the United States. Based on their figures, police have killed, on average, about three people per day so far this year. The Counted database is the most comprehensive information available on police killings, since no U.S. government agency maintains a similar listing.

    Police killings in America have sparked a national movement for police reform, especially since the death of Mike Brown last year in Ferguson, Missouri.

    Based on The Guardian’s statistics, police killed more white people than any other race this year. A total 385 white people have been killed by police this year, and 66 of them were unarmed at the time of their death.

    However, activists like the members of the Black Lives Matter movement argue that police kill blacks at a rate disproportionate to their total percentage of the population — an assertion supported by The Guardian’s statistics. Police killed almost five black people per every million black residents of the U.S., compared with about 2 per million for both white and hispanic victims.

    The vast majority of those killed — 745 — were men.

    People were killed by police at all ages and in every state except Rhode Island, South Dakota and Vermont, three of the country’s least populated states. Certain cities stand out as more dangerous than others: The most police by killings occurred in Los Angeles (14 dead), Houston (11), Phoenix (9), New York (7) and Oklahoma City (7).

    Shooting was the most common cause of police-related death, at 680. Of the 161 unarmed individuals, 71 were shot by police. The second most common cause of death found in the study were Tasers, which led to the deaths of 39 people, followed by being struck by police vehicles (26). Twenty-eight people died in police custody, according to The Guardian, but this figure does not include victims like Sandra Bland, who died in a Texas jail under conditions many describe as suspicious, although suicide was listed as her official cause of death.

    Of the 582 people who were armed at the time of their death, 374 were carrying firearms and 107 were armed with knives. Of course, the numbers also cannot account for whether those killed were actively threatening police with their weapons versus those who were not, like Paul Castaway, the Native American man killed July 12 in Denver while holding a knife to his own neck.

    Although police advocates claim the frequent use of force is necessary to protect officers from a highly dangerous job, the statistics don’t seem to back this up. The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reported that 25 officers were killed by gunfire so far in 2015, with the Officer Down Memorial Page noting that two of those deaths came from accidental discharge of their firearms.

    Further, Bureau of Labor Statistics released last year show that being a police officer is not even among the country’s 10 most dangerous professions. Indeed, those statistics show that loggers, roofers, pilots and farmers are all more likely to be killed on the job than police.

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    • Sharon

      the thing about blacks is they are disproportionately violently criminal for their numbers in this country by a LONG SHOT per FBI STATS!. so of course they get shot. Mix that in with an apparent inability to comply with orders from a very beleagured police force and you have the seeds for a disaster. I didn’t know until BLM insisted on body Cams just what kind of “people” cops have to deal with every single day while we go about our lives not being around anyone of the caliber they have to keep us safe from.,,, i did not know that blacks were so ugly to police and so disrespectful and so unwilling to understand how to be still or hit the ground or drop the gun or any of the things the rest of us would NEVER think about doing when confronted by cops. I lay this at the feet of Obama who fomented the LIES that blacks are being hunted. FIVE MEN >> FIVE WHITE MEN were shot by cops on the same day as the Charleston Guy which of course meant that blacks would start rampaging again and tear everything up and also THEY WERE HEARD ON TAPES MANY OF THEM Those three nights Actively HUNTED DOWN WHITE PEOPLE WHO DID NOTHING BUT BE WHITE TO BEAT SAVAGELY TO A PULP> SO I HAVE NO PITY FOR THEM and never EVER will again. It is a miracle that cops don’t shoot more of them.

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    • Real Facts

      this analysis uses a flawed methodology often quoted but false none the less. You can not look at number killed as a % of the population … doing this makes one major assumption which is easily proven false and that assumption is the rates of contact with police is equal across race … this assumption is proven false by fbi statistics in that blacks are 20 times more likely to be stopped for a traffic violation and 2 times more likely to be arrested for something other than a traffic stop such as violent crime. the reason blacks are killed more often is due to contact and not a function of their % of the population. the question is why do blacks come in contact with law enforcement more often than other races and this can only be due to 3 things … 1) there is systemic racism on the part of law enforcement 2) blacks commit more crime than do other races based on their % of the population or 3) a combination of 1 and 2 … to see an unbiased look at law enforcement use of excessive force as regards race check out https://sites.google.com/site/officerinvolvedshootingsdata/home

    • Harry “havdaironman” J

      This comment stream has led me to believe that Blacks are definitely in more danger with the police. If regular civilians think so negatively about blacks with their limited exposure to them, then I’d imagine that those whose job it is to confront the worst of them must carry an overwhelmingly compulsion to kill them. Not because of an imminent threat, but a perceived threat that seems to not really be towards anyone but themselves. People kill people they know, if they didn’t, then law enforcement could not have delevoped and perfected so many methods for catching them. When placed in an environment with little resources and opportunity, failed education and justice systems, an overwhelmingly prejudiced corporate structure, people will have more confrontations that lead to someone dying than usual. I think that the police, in dealing with these issues, are not behaving uncharacteristically human. These are men and women who have all of the same internal fears and mechanisms as the folks commenting on here. Every negative encounter with a group of individuals they do not care to, nor are they encouraged to understand, could lead to the death of that particular group of persons if their ignorance and compulsion overwhelms them.

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    • pinkisntwell

      These numbers are wrong. So far this year there are 518 people killed by police. And 35 people were unarmed. 239 white people, 127 blacks, 80 hispanics, 49 unknown, and 23 other. Source The Washington Post. Fatal Force. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/

      • truth hurts

        This story is referencing 2015 not 2016

    • Tim Maher

      So it’s not a dangerous profession because they didn’t die? Even though the encountered 582 armed individuals(that’s only the ones killed mind you), if the cops were not armed and been able to defend themselves it could have easily been 582 dead officers. But it’s OK its a safe job…

      • Floyd Tate Jr

        Just because an assailant is armed doesn’t mean they know how to or will use it.
        like that guy that was just killed allegedly he was reaching for his wallet after telling the officer he was armed. Allegedly he was not reaching for his gun he was reaching for his wallet. which was one the same side of his body as his wallet.

        • susan

          Officers have been killed on routine traffic stops. There is a common sense protocol for how to act in this situation. You keep your hands on the steering wheel or in sight and you do NOT reach for ANYTHING until the officer tells you to do so. I am very likely considered a low risk to any officer but I still follow this protocol always. Honestly, that’s just common sense for any encounter with the police so that you are not perceived as a threat.

      • Truman HW

        You think they ONLY encountered 582 armed suspects? I think its 25,000 or so per year, but I have an intuition that liberals want to make this data difficult to access by the public for fear of sparking white racism…… instead of white guilt.

    • John Henry

      Its funny that they mention the exact number of whites killed but only percentages per million of blacks

      • Sean Watson

        http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/trump-retweets-bogus-crime-graphic/

        Bullshit, like most of what comes out of Trump’s mouth.

        • John Henry

          Here are more facts, does not matter what you think, this is what has actually happened!

          • Sean Watson

            If I didn’t believe your sourced meme, with the helpful racist pic of a scary black man on it to help provide balance, why would I believe your totally unsourced one? It’s clear you believe them, so keep attempting to justify your prejudices with whatever you can find wherever you can find it. Just don’t expect to be taken seriously.

            • John Henry

              All data was gathered from the Federal Government statistics and the Fraternal Order of Police, now they could be lying about the number of unemployed, the Economy, and how many people are on ACA, but lying about this makes no sense, and here is the kicker, you can find these things for yourself just by dong a google search without going to factcheck or Snopes or anyone else who may have an ulterior motive for what they say is true or false.

              Believe what you want, but consider that most of the fact presented by the Media are skewed in favor of those who are in control of the media and the Nation.

              • Nomorebullshit

                LIAR, LIAR, Congenital liar. Some of us still have our brains functioning. This “data” is a lie. If you really want to quiet your demons and tell the truth go and get your stats from Law Enforcement Stats websites. Regarding suicide statistics it is today as it ALWAYS HAS BEEN. White MALES have the HIGHEST suicide rates, second comes white women. Black women have always been and still are at the bottom of the list regarding suicide. Black women commit suicide LESS than any other ethnic group. Here are the REAL stats you impotent, cowardly racist liar. http://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/
                http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/health/suicide-rates-rise/

                • John Henry

                  What I have written ..IS WRITTEN, if you don’t believe it that is YOUR problem, GET A LIFE.

                  • Nomorebullshit

                    I have a LIFE. Which is EXACTLY why I CHALLENGE your LIES. I have a life that revolves around INTEGRITY, honest and historical assessment of ALL the facts and peace with God. Of which you could know NOTHING of these things because you are the typical American absorbed in your fabricated DENIAL about injustice against African-Americans that has spanned over 350 years. My life is based on the HIGHER purpose of being grateful for good health, education, talent, skill, self-reliance and independent research and the ability to examine all the information and not settle for the American white lies that have been spewed to cover up generations of violence, LIES, torture and disenfranchisement of African-American people. So YOU get a life, you pathetic, cowardly liar. Grow a pair and find the courage to LOOK yourself in the mirror. You get a life, and let’s see you DISMANTLE the legions of bloody DEMONS that America has buried in the back of it’s closet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ZSkfKXsCs
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yg5mUjVMg7I

        • Floyd Tate Jr

          Wow… A Hitlery Supporter calling the brown coffee black

        • Floyd Tate Jr

          Wow…. A Hitlery Supporter calling the coffee black

      • susan

        Who are “They”? The photo that you have posted here only shows percentages for both races.

      • Floyd Tate Jr
      • Lynette Ellis

        Your statistics are misleading! According to the FBI Crime statistics, more than 6 times the number of whites are killing other whites than blacks killing whites! While the number of blacks killing other blacks by percentage is higher, STILL white people are SIX TIMES MORE LIKELY to be killed by another white person than by a black person!

      • Lynette Ellis

        Here is another table showing that white people are six times more likely to be killed by other whites than by blacks.

        Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics; National Crime Victimization Survey; 2012-2013 Special Tabulation

        http://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/NCFS-Table.jpg

    • Yo

      If you think this is about black lives or white lives then your not seeing the bigger picture. NO one should be killed by police officers. I don’t care if there live is a threat. We do not pay police officers to kill the people they are sworn to protect and serve. They sign up knowing their life is at risk. They sign up knowing they could die protecting our communities. The minute our government is allowed to kill people because of things written in their contracts such as the “Brady Contract” which they have in Oregon is the minute you allow police officers to live above the law. This is where corruptions breeds. Nor does any of it hold fall under UHDR Laws which were passed in 1948. We don’t need to be policed by a bunch of Hitlers. No one should die at the hands of their governing bodies. I don’t want to history repeat its self. I want to see change.

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      State Terrorism directed against the American People and Democracy Itself. The Department of Defense now authorizes the domestic deployment of US troops in “the conduct of operations other than war” including law enforcement activities and the quelling of “civil disturbances”: “Federal military commanders have the authority, in extraordinary emergency circumstances where prior authorization by the President is impossible and duly constituted local authorities are unable to control the situation, to engage temporarily in activities that are necessary to quell large-scale, unexpected civil disturbances…“

      http://www.globalresearch.ca/homeland-defense-the-pentagon-declares-war-on-america/5335483

    • Tracy

      I think some of you are missing the point of “Black Lives Matter”. The point is that these killings continue to happen and the police are allowed to hide behind their badge and have ZERO accountability. The snipers in Dallas should be held accountable for their actions. By the same token police offers should be held accountable for theirs. THAT’S what matters. I don’t know long officers could continue to kill innocent people and walk away from it, with no accountability and no punishment for their actions, and not have something like Dallas happen. And before a bunch of you lose your minds, I am not talking about situations where an individual was verbally threatening or acting in a threatening manner to a police officer, I am talking about truly innocent people getting pulled over for minor traffic infractions that resulted in their death, and similar circumstances.

      • Rhonda Spofford

        Before you go jumping on the band wagon of black lives matter you need to see what they promote. You wont be so quick to quote that phrase. All lives matter and I am not part of that organization either. I don’t need to belong to a group to go by what I was taught as child. Many of those groups incite more hate and racism under the cover of being a so called victim. Sadly people buy it. The sad thing is is when white people buy into that statement they are laughing at you because they are the ones telling others in the group to kill you just because your white. Don’t believe me check it out for yourself.

      • Joshua D Bird

        I’m pretty sure people aren’t missing the point. Any group calling for a race to be exterminated can eat dirt.

        • susan

          Who is calling for an entire race to be exterminated?

          • Ron Hotchkiss

            The new black panther party is, more or less, and gets a free pass by the media. Black lives matter need to tell the black panthers to take a hike.

            • Floyd Tate Jr

              The New Black Panthers is now being labeled as domestic terrorist by the FBI and The BLM is being petitioned to be added after Texas
              http://freebeacon.com/national-security/fbi-national-domestic-threat-assessment-omits-islamist-terrorism/

              • Ron Hotchkiss

                And what’s more the media won’t mention it. Like in Syria where Muslim extremist or just plain Muslims are killing each other and the media blames conservatives (over there, which is different from our definition) they can’t dare say Muslims killing. They have to spin it to make it look like conservative America is responsible. I wonder how many active NRA members went on a killing spree last year? ZERO. But it’s the NRA that somehow gets blamed.

              • Michael

                So what happened to the KKK they are still around isn’t it? How many people have they killed and how many has the black panther killed right they are still going on now don’t they want the black race to dissappear? Numpty

      • susan

        I want to know why the black lives only matter when they are killed by police? The vast majority of black men are killed by other black men. How can anyone claim to care about black lives when they ignore the largest number of black deaths and only focus on a few? Pull the plank out of your own eye before you worry about the sliver in someone else’s eye.

        • Dachee

          It’s not necessarily the percentage of killing of civilians or black civilians. It’s the percentage of those white cops killing black civilians and how it happens and being unarmed. But… At the same time we just need better cops, a better system of justice in handling situations … Hiring the right people with better judgement skills.

          • susan

            So you think that when black men kill other black men, the men that they kill are not unarmed? If you seriously care about black lives then you should first solve the problem that is killing the MOST black lives. The thousands and thousands of shootings within black neighborhoods are also innocent victims, men women and children. WHY does no one care about those black lives? I can’t help but not take the BLM seriously when they are making a big deal out of a small problem but completely ignore the big problem. Further, according to the title of this article, the vast majority of police shootings are NOT against the unarmed.

            The police are usually involved with criminals. It stands to reason that if you are dealing with crime as your job you’re going to encounter a lot of criminals, some of them deadly. As someone else pointed out here, the majority of police shootings ARE justified. There is a very small problem here and people are making a HUGE deal out of it while thousands are being killed in their own neighborhoods, and nobody cares about that. Please explain to me why a very few shootings is more important than a very large amount of shootings? This makes no sense at all. More to your point, the police do not control the color of the person that comes at them.

            It’s not just that we need better cops. The vast majority of them are good. The bad ones should be fired. However, what people are continuing to ignore here is that the people can change the laws that the cops abide by. Yet, they don’t. I believe that for the most part, people don’t want those laws to change. By and large, if you’ve committed a crime, people cease to care what happens to you. Mostly, they want you off of the streets and out of their neighborhoods. The black Democratic caucus spoke all passionately against the Michael Brown shooting and then turned right around and voted to further arm the police with bigger and badder military weapons.

            This whole matter is a farce and a distraction, and most of us are not buying into it. In addition, there are so many variables involved in this issue that are being ignored. There are studies that have found that black people are more open about their crime, less afraid of exposing themselves to the police. That alone could account for the larger number of them being confronted. MB was walking down the middle of a street right after he committed a crime. In most all of the police shootings the suspect was either resisting arrest or behaving with much hostility when shot. That is not about color, it’s about behavior and respect for authority.

        • Tracy

          Once again, a poor misguided soul missing the point.

          • susan

            And yet you are not able to guide anyone to your misguided point? You have presented only rhetoric, no facts or evidence.

      • Harry Nutzach

        Who has ZERO accountability? Section 210402 of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 requires the US Attorney General to “acquire data about the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers.” So the Bureau of Justice Statistics gathers data on the tens of thousands of complaints against cops each year for excessive use of force. The are published in the Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics (LEMAS) report.

        So what happens with those complaints?

        34% of complaints are “not sustained”, meaning they were just complaints and the allegation was made with little or no proof that it actually happened. So just like you & I, cases against cops without evidence get thrown out.

        25% of the complaints were “unfounded”, meaning that the ‘evidence’ turned out to be false… the reported incident never happened.

        23% of the complaints resulted in officers being exonerated , meaning that the incident occurred, but the cop’s use of force was evaluated and found to be appropriate for the situation. (“lawful and proper”)

        8% of the complaints were “sustained”, meaning there was enough evidence to justify punishing the cop. (disciplinary action / termination / prison)

        9% of the complaints had some other disposition. (the complaint was withdrawn, etc)

        So if you throw out the thousands of bogus complaints, and just look at the ones where there is actually enough evidence to warrant an investigation…. the cops are declared not guilty 74% of the time and get punished 26% of the time. How is that ZERO accountability?

        • Tracy

          8%? And that’s your definition of accountability?

          • Harry Nutzach

            8% is out of the total number of complaints. I think I spelled it out pretty well, do you have a reading comprehension problem?

            34% with no evidence
            + 25% with bogus evidence
            ———
            = 59% of the excessive force cases don’t have enough evidence to go to court. Courts constantly throw out cases against normal citizens for insufficient evidence. Don’t cops deserve the same right?

            9% of the cases are withdrawn, so add that to the other 59% lacking evidence and you’re looking at 68% of these complaints are not even solid enough to prosecute. Out of the 32% that remain and actually do go to court, the cops are found guilty and are punished 26% of the time. So yes, I find that level of accountability acceptable.

      • Ted Barbaras

        The 2 most recent killings that happened. One guy had 60 run ins with the police…that is way more than normal. I’ve had maybe 5 in my life and im 40. But i don’t drink or go out much. I live a simple solitaire lifestyle.

        • Pryz Fytr

          It depends on what you mean by “run in”. 95% of the population is never arrested for anything beyond a traffic violation. I’ve been stopped by cops, with guns out, because I happened to be in a car that looked just like one involved in a robbery. Except for the make, model, year, and color, of course.

        • Tracy

          So, based on your logic, execution of US citizens is acceptable based on number of “run ins” with police?

          • Ted Barbaras

            Incorrect — the logic is. When you are a convicted felon with multiple run ins with police — you need to be extra cautious. If you have a weapon — tell them when they pull you over. Tell them where the weapon is. You have to remember police don’t have the highest IQ but they also have a target on their backs. A lot of folks disrespect and disobey police officers.

            When I get pulled over I make it simple and sweet. Roll down all my windows so they can see inside my entire car. Have my license and registration ready to hand them. Have my hands on the wheel and don’t make any sudden moves or gestures.

            • susan

              Where did you find the evidence regarding the IQ of the police?

              • Ted Barbaras

                No evidence — but I did hear that they prefer people who don’t think outside the box. That is not necessarily IQ related.

                For example they don’t want a police officer to interpret the law. They want the police officer that is taught the way the law is and performs the law in that manner.

                I’ve met some officers/detectives that seemed very intelligent. So i’m not belittling them. I’ve also met the robocop type that treat any act the same whether its theft of a candy bar, grand theft, rape or murder. A crime is a crime and they treat the person without dignity.

                It is important for cops to realize crime varies and the need to escalate the situation based on the crime committed. No need to cause duress to a j-walker who is jogging down the street with headphones in. I saw a cop chase a jay-walker jogger down before grab her arm and hand-cuff her for evading the police.

                Sometimes it is better to use common sense than the strict judgement of law and order for petty crimes.

                • susan

                  You did “hear”? That is nothing more than hearsay, and very likely geographical and anecdotal at best.

                  Police officers should NOT interpret the law. They are trained, according to guidelines that we could change. They are not lawyers, or judges or congressmen. It is one of the main points that I have been making in this topic. People complain about how the police behave but don’t seem to understand that they are trained to behave the way that they do. We have the option to change that, but no one really wants that. The Democratic Black Caucus went on and on about the Michael Brown case, just before they voted to further arm the police with military style weapons. Even THEY do not want the changes that they seem to advocate.

                  I agree with most of what you’ve said. I just don’t see, except in very rare circumstances, where a cop would chase a jay-walker down and cuff them for evading.

                  When I took private lessons for owning a weapon I was told in the very first lesson that you ALWAYS shoot to kill. I protested that it might serve my purpose to just stop an assailant but was immediately shot down, so to speak. If you feel that you are in enough danger to shoot in the first place, you do NOT play around with attempts to stop the assailant. You MUST shoot to kill.

                  I can’t tell you why that seems to be the accepted stance in these situations. I can only surmise that those before me have their reasons. This IS how police are trained.

        • susan

          It might naturally follow that if you live a normal life, avoiding run ins with the police, you probably have less chance of being executed by the police. You kind of have to “run in” to them to have any chance of being executed by them.

          Not acting hostile or confrontational if you DO run in to them will probably help a lot too.

          Of course, not breaking the law in the first place will go a long way in not having a “run in” with them too.

          Go figure.

          • Ted Barbaras

            Couldn’t agree with you more

      • Pryz Fytr

        If you normalize for crime rate by race, white people are killed more often by police (as they are in sheer numbers, as well.)

        • Tracy

          That is simply not true. Check you facts and your math.

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    • Mike Dewey

      I would like to see the number of encounters with police by race. Raw population alone does not tell the whole story. Whites are killed by police as well but you don’t see it reported by the media…Why? I wonder…

      • Silvana

        if you will actually READ the article, it shows 385 were white, 66 of them unarmed! Stop wondering, just READ!

        • Mike Dewey

          And if you you would READ, I didn’t ask how many were KILLED by race….I asked for the total number of encounters with police by race. Look up encounter and READ what it means. Once you understand what encounter means, you take the total number of deaths (by race) and divide it by the total number of encounters (by race) and will come up with a better comparison of fatal shootings involving each race. Raw population isn’t enough.

          • Dingle D

            google the counted – from the the guardian. I posted link above

          • susan

            Mere encounters do not tell the whole story either. I believe that the problem is how people respond to the police when there is an encounter. If you look at almost all of the cases that ended in fatalities, the problem starts when the police encounter a person and the person reacts with hostility. The situation escalates and when that happens it doesn’t turn out well. We have law and order for a reason and when you oppose those that we have assigned to keep the order, it’s not going to end well for you.

        • DollarFray

          The point is ,,,this article appeared because two black men were shot by police.

      • DollarFray

        You won’t see it because it is a big yawn….it’s not sensational.

      • Pryz Fytr

        If you relate the crime rate by race with police killings by race, you’ll find that blacks are “underkilled” and whites are “overkilled”, on a per-incident basis. Still, a firearm CANNOT be the first line of defense that a cop uses. Most killings by cops are done because the cop is scared and incompetent, so it doesn’t even matter if the person killed is a true threat or not.

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    • Handsome Jack

      The reason that I cannot support black lives matter is because it is an ethnocentric, emotionally driven movement that does not use reality to justify their cause. They act as if black people are systemically murdered by police officers. The majority of victims so far in the 2016 have been white by a wide margin. Police shootings are an all lives matter situation. It only seems like black people are being systemically murdered, because the news exclusively reports on cop on black violence, as it is currently a popular news. Black lives matter just want to be a victim, because being a victim brings power.

      • Marshadar

        It’s also dishonest to not mention how many of these killings are ruled as justified. The mere fact someone is killed by police should not be the only factor to consider when looking at stats (a dangerous past time anyway), but we should look the justified rate to really understand if this is a so called epidemic? Pointing a gun at a cop then getting shot for it (just using this as an example of when deadly force could be authorized), black or white, means nothing to most people….unless of course you are BLM then you can just lump them all together and make the numbers seem higher…..

        • Jonquil

          Need bodycams so there’s a more respectable basis for deeming a shoot justified vs. unjustified.

          • susan

            I am in favor of bodycams but in most situations there are plenty of witnesses and video. In the Michael Brown case, you can hear people in the neighborhood speaking and saying that MB “just charged at the officer.” Not the police, someone in the neighborhood saw that.

            Also in the MB case, a black civil rights leader in New York had come out and stated that in this case, the jury made the right decision. Most police shootings are investigated and most often they are deemed justified, even in front of a jury. In a few cases the police are wrong and then they are charged.

          • Marshadar

            That’s a conversation worth having, and from what I’ve been reading, body cams have been making a positive difference where they’ve been implemented. Austin Petersen (former Libertarian party candidate) came out with some crazy stuff about how they should be live streaming from minute 1 of being on duty to when they clock out, which I find ridiculous. We don’t need to see cops use the restroom, interact with each other and talk smack back and forth to build camaraderie, or eat on their lunch break. The camera needs to go on when they get a call and go off when the call is cleared. If not then they suffer consequences as based on their union agreements or law. When people go to work (even for the government) they do not give up all their own rights either (privacy in regard to not being filmed every second of every day) like most pure libertarian or ancap psychos seem to think. I just think we need to view it with common sense and realize there are limited resources with which we can tackle these issues.

            • Jonquil

              Ack! I wasn’t aware anyone had recommended constant surveillance of police while on duty! You make very good points, and I agree!

              • Marshadar

                Yea, Austin Petersen has been sounding like a far left shill lately, even though he was a libertarian party candidate. Also, if you don’t agree with him 100% you are a bootlicking, copsucker apparently….it’s ridiculous these lines that have been drawn lately. #Asteroid2016

                • Jonquil

                  Yes, and it’s causing so much additional grief and tragedy. I remember when I was a kid, back in the 60’s, and one black girl was added to my fourth grade class. There were several people who were very rude to her, and one that I heard call her the n-word, and called me a ‘n-word lover for being friendly with her. I was so ashamed that kids that I thought were my friends were being so mean to another person. Even at that age, people should have known better!
                  And now, it seems that things have come so far forward, but people are more angry, and there’s so much more death! There just were very rarely ANY shootings by police in my area of Michigan at all, back then. Now, my area during the last decade has had half a dozen — a couple of caucasians, a couple of African descent, one Hispanic descent, and on native American. They all had to do with people rushing or threatening other people with a weapon, including one PTSD veteran who was having some sort of a psychotic break (he was white) and one young woman who turned out to be bi-polar mentally ill (she was black).
                  The country has just gone kind of insane, from my perspective. People don’t even seem to care enough to look into what the truth is, mostly. They just listen to whatever they are told to listen to. They receive incomplete info, jump to conclusions, and get angrier.
                  What the heck are we supposed to do, as citizens, to try to make this better??? Logic? Who’s listening? Love? Who wants it? It almost seems like some people want to be angry, and so they’re interpreting everything through that lense!

            • Pryz Fytr

              Actually, you can voluntarily give up rights in order to get a job.

      • ToppyTopics

        So what’s wrong with power? I recommend they go to Capitol Hill. Ask for nationwide changes in our legal system. Is that the kind of power you mean. I say, BLM need power take the matter to Capitol Hill.

        • DollarFray

          The movement must be based on facts or it has no power. Presently the movement tries to say that cops discriminate against blacks and therefore shoot and kill them more often. Unless facts bear that out – there is no validity in that belief.

          • susan

            Even if the facts show that cops kill blacks more often that still does not necessarily mean that it is because of discrimination. I saw one study that showed that black people tend to be less concerned with hiding their crimes, and so are caught more often.

            If you look at most all of police shootings the suspect reacted with opposition and hostility towards the officer. If it happens to turn out that black people react this way more often then it is NOT about discrimination against blacks. In fact, you could say that it is discrimination towards authority, not towards black people. There are so many variables that I think that it is ridiculous to just automatically blame racism.

            • Michael

              You are blind so 6 shots point blank and reaching for your driving license is justified yeah? How man videos have been posted showing them abusing thier postion it is not just once it is everyday it is a good thing smart phones are about or it would be alot worse why was malcolm x and Martin Luther king marching for I guess they was marching for nothing what did JFK do in the 60s before he got shot funny how all the people who want peace ended up getting murdered why is that and we’re dies that order come from. Open your eyes america your rights are being stripped from you and you lot are blind to it next martial law will be in place cause of 911 your privacy has become less private you are less free and the goverment will stoke this up so they can control more of you

              • susan

                I am not blind.

                In the video she says that it was 3 shots, not 6.

                There is a protocol for what you do when you are pulled over by the police. You keep your hands on the steering wheel or in sight, you do NOT reach for anything until the officer tells you to and then you tell them first. “My registration is in the glovebox. I’m going to get it now.” Honestly, are there people that do not know this? Police Officers are shot and killed on routine traffic stops. For you to suggest that this does not happen and that they don’t have the right to be suspicious of people and protect their own lives is absurd.

                I have NO DOUBT, WHATSOEVER, that this police officer thought that Philando was reaching for a gun or he would NOT have shot the man. Some have said that you can see the gun sitting next his leg on the seat in the video. I don’t know about that but you can clearly hear that the officer is very upset about the shooting and he says “I told him not to move.”, or something similar.

                I also find the woman’s behavior to be somewhat bizarre during her recording. In another video taken just days before, she is seen smoking pot with her young daughter crying in the back seat. She is acting vulgar and Philando clearly doesn’t care about what’s going on as they are both likely high. This woman is not exactly an upstanding citizen. At best her child should be removed from her custody or some kind of supervision should be provided. I believe her story about as much as I believe the story of Michael Brown’s friend, who was proven to have been lying.

                MLK was NOT marching for nothing. He was a decent man trying to make changes in a non-violent way. BECAUSE he did so in a NON-VIOLENT way, he was heard. He also pointed out that the rate of crime for black people was out of proportion for the percentage of the population and said that this must be addressed. No one seems to want to listen to that.

                How many video’s have been posted showing police abusing their position? VERY FEW! People like to create a lot of drama and trouble but even black civil rights leaders have defended the law and the jury decisions in these cases but the BLM movement does NOT want to deal with facts. No. Ironically, they have all been bought and paid for by a rich white guy. They do NOT want to hear the truth. They can’t even figure out how to deal with the thousands of innocent men, women and children being slaughtered in their own neighborhoods but they think that they can take it out on the very police officers that they call when they are in trouble.

                9/11 happened over a decade ago now. Yes, martial law is coming now. Not because of 9/11 but because of the Black Rights Matter movement causing a lot of trouble over cases that are not relevant at all. Most black people don’t even support this movement as it is clearly ridiculous. Most all of us, white and black, are just rolling our eyes over the nonsense. The movement has accomplished nothing at all. They are so stupid as to be led into their own slaughter by a rich white guy who doesn’t give a darn about any of them.

                And I’m the one that is blind? OK.

              • Pryz Fytr

                Actually, when the cop says not to do something, and you do something, AFTER telling him you have a gun, you’ve set yourself up to be killed by a scared and/or incompetent cop. That’s why a firearm cannot be the first line of defense for police.

      • Crop boy

        What’s ur Facebook

      • Michael

        What a load of bullshit you come out with 400 years black people have been killed.KKK ate still freely about Christians yeah lmao it’s ok because the have white hoods. Answer this bright bollocks would you like to be treated how blacks have been treated tar and feathered hanged kicked beaten spat at called names I wait for your answer

    • Black Bart

      I farmed for many years. Never thought of that job being more dangerous than being a law officer. I don’t see it

      • Marshadar

        It’s because they look at aggregate deaths and not the cause. Farmers, roofers, pilots, etc are not killed or assaulted by other humans in the kind of numbers police are (I doubt anyone keeps track of such incidents anway, IF they even occur). Simply saying that more deaths equal more danger is being dishonest when we talk about other human beings committing physical violence against you. 48,315 officers were assaulted in the line of duty in 2014. There is a psychological difference of having a workplace accident and being assaulted I believe.

        • itfa

          More deaths does equal more danger. Who cares if the danger is coming from another person or a piece of farm equipment?
          And I’m not at all impressed with your “assaulted in the line of duty” numbers. A friend of mine was “assaulted in the line of duty” twice this year alone. Once was a 100 lb woman pushing him during a domestic dispute, the other was a kid at a party pouring a beer on him from a balcony. How is that more psychologically intimidating than working with equipment every day that could tear a limb off or worse?

          • Marshadar

            More deaths is more deaths, simply a measurement. Danger is an opinion. You can be impressed with whatever you feel like, facts don’t care about your feelings. 48 thousand farmers or loggers weren’t assaulted by other humans in that year. Look up the psychological impact of a work accident compared to intentional violence from humans. Lt. Col. Dave grossman is a good start.

          • DollarFray

            If you are working with dangerous equipment you have a lot more control than being ambushed. The cops in Dallas were ambushed by a thinking person who specifically targeted them. This is very different than having a benign object fall on you or a person you can see pushing you. Inanimate objects do not calculate how to attack,assault or kill their targets and machinery is predictable.

          • Jonquil

            It’s more intimidating to be at the mercy of the decisions of other sentient beings, than at the mercy of your own decisions related to using non-sentient mechanical/physical devices. Big psychological difference between death by carelessness on your own part, vs. death by another person deciding to kill you.

      • Jonquil

        Those racist tractors! They only respect other machines! We should protest!

    • Mike From Indiana.

      @Damien Carr
      These sites are trying to prove the opposite. That’s why they compare the rates against the population, instead of against those exposed to the police by comparing to the crime stats. Black men make up 6% of the population yet almost half of all “violent crime”. It’s not that they leave out white collar crime to make you look bad, it’s violent crime. Rape murder robbery ect. If you compare the same numbers against the crime stats it tells a different story. Cops are more likely to kill white people, probably because they won’t end up on the national news. Just look at all the white people shot by police, yet none in the news, only black lives matter it seems.
      Keep kidding yourself and blaming this great country that gives you every opportunity to succeed.
      The Japanese were put in concentration camps during ww2, they have managed to rebound just fine.
      Jews were gassed and put in ovens during ww2, they’ve worked hard, earned and squired wealth, and are doing just fine.
      This racist country you hate so much fought the bloodiest war in our history to free your ancestors, yet we still can’t move past it. Why is that?

      • Dead_Mariner

        Why can’t we move past that ridiculous Confederate flag? js

        • Mike From Indiana.

          What did I say about confederate flag? I’m a Yank silly. I don’t feel bad for the south, I think Lincoln was right to fight that war.

      • Jordan Still

        Usually don’t get into comment wars, but you have some major flaws in your statement. I agree black people do make up way to much of the percentage of violent crime, that needs to be fixed. However, it is very difficult to see which shootings are justified and unjustified when we are going between the races. It has been seen before police can shoot a kid and call it justified, so I wouldn’t use that as concrete evidence. Secondly, Jewish people received millions of dollars in restitution after the holocaust. Children who did not even live in that era can still collect an insurance claim based solely on their ancestors being a holocaust survivor/victim. The families that were imprisoned in Japanese internment camps each received a $20,000 apology from the United states government in 1988, money usually helps with a rebound just saying. Yes the Jews were able to earn and squire wealth and are doing just fine, their ancestors used the money that they received through restitution to come over and start businesses generating generational wealth. This ensures that their children live in the best areas and go to the best schools, so naturally they are set up to do well. Now of course this does not apply to all people of Japanese and Jewish descent, but you made a generalization so I figured it wouldn’t be a problem if I did the same. Finally we reach black people. Reconstruction was our restitution right? That failed venture that did absolutely nothing for white or black Americans counts as our restitution. People always fail to notice that it is hard to thrive in a system that was against you from the start. When slavery ended what were black people to do? They had no formal education, they lived in a society that treated them like animals, it wasn’t as simple as “oh let me go work at McDonalds.” Black people have been trapped in the hood, trapped in the torn down areas of the south for generations. “Well why don’t they just work hard to make it out?” Let me shed a little light on what life in the hood is like. Imagine going to a school where your lucky to get a textbook that’s not falling apart, no one tells you about the SAT, getting good grades is not encouraged, and your expected to be a drug dealer to provide for your family. Now lets take a look at the (mostly white) suburbs, oh wow computer labs, up to date textbooks, college counselors. Yet, the playing field is equal right? One final note, the North didn’t care about us, yes they fought the war for slavery, but the main reason they denounced slavery was because the south was getting free labor and their economy was doing so much better. I hope I did not offend, but next time do a little bit more research and put yourself in someone elses shoes.

        • Mike From Indiana.

          Yes there are more whites that’s why there are more shot, but who is more likely to have contact? Criminals. Who is more likely to commit a violent crime?
          I appreciate your comments, yes I am aware many of those things are true, and even though I speak in generizations we all know everyone in the hood doesn’t resort to crime. Plenty of people work their way out. Some want to and can’t.
          Poverty is a huge part of crime, but it’s also an excuse at times. I grew up extremely poor, i don’t rob people, or kill people.
          Do you think 20,000 dollars to each slave would make a huge difference?
          Why aren’t black women filling up prisons if it’s just a racist system?
          As far as expected to deal drugs to feed your family, that’s comical. Your expected to not start a family until you can provide for them.
          I do try to see things through other people’s perspective, and I don’t think it’s purely racial.

          There is a culture that makes heroes out of gang bangers and drug dealers. Instead of wanting to grow up and be a dr or a fire fighter.
          That’s not white people telling them education is bad, it’s their own culture. More people should speak against the culture.

          Anyone shot by police without good reason is a real problem, no matter what color. We shouldn’t make it all about blacks being killed is bad. We know it’s bad. All of it is, black yellow blue green, it’s bad.

          Thanks again for the honest conversation.

        • Katie

          Very well said and you are right.. It is not as simple as statistic would allow and THE most important fact is wether or not the shooting by the police was justified – it does seem to us in the UK that they are ‘gun ho’ and could be trained to handle situation with more compassion and non violent communication than they do!! Very very sad !!

          • Dee

            Thank you someone with some sense and observational skills

        • Terry

          I don’t normally comment either but I have seen both crap white and black areas. My mom was a single mom. She did not have a lot for us and we where very bad kids. Then one day I noticed I was getting no where. I got tired of looking over my shoulder or worried about if I should sleep where I am at or wait till it is safer. I grew up and made something of myself. I have a wife and two kids that I teach to always do right. Yes I have computers, TVs, and nice cars. I have them because I worked hard for them and I still do. I grew up in a majority black community and being white was not that easy. Even in those communities you will find all kinds of great people that don’t care about your color and treat you good and even look out for you. I just wish people would stop with ( a black man got killed) or (a white man got killed). Why can’t it just be a man. I don’t care about the statistics about people’s races and there deaths. I care about people and that means all. I don’t care about your color. If you are a good person that works hard to make it better for your family and the world then you are all right by me. If you make the choice to not grow up and make a difference for others then I will have a real problem with you.

          Hope I don’t make anyone mad with this but if I do just remember one thing. I am old school you can say about me what you want and I will really not care what you think. I will read it and even except it but will not lose sleep over it. That is another problem America has. People get there feelings hard to easy these days. Grow up the world is not easy and it was never meant to be.

        • Jonquil

          Many of my ancestors were Irish. When they came here, there were signs all over saying no Irish, etc. After being oppressed by England for centuries, many managed to come to the US. They did not get welfare. They took what jobs they could. My great-great grandfather died of black lung from working a coal mine. But you know what? Somehow we made it. We made it past my great grandfather nearly being killed (badly injured) fighting for the north in the US civil war. We made it past my father being blown up during WWII — TWICE, and then spending the rest of his life completely deaf in on ear,and with a pretty severe case of what would now be called ‘PTSD’. My dad spent the rest of his life working, and raising a family of us who also work, and some of whom have also served in wars for our country, and have paid the price of lasting physical and emotional damage. Guess what, Jordan? You were NEVER a slave, and I was NEVER a coal miner! I grew up in the ‘hood’, as you call it, and I’m tired of hearing about ‘white privilege’ and ‘institutional bias’ garbage. Fact is, people need to stand, sit down, or lay down, but take ownership of their own choice.

      • Crop boy

        You u have facebook

      • Dee

        No you didn’t shed blood to free slave’s try again. Stop lying to yourself.

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    • Damian Carr

      Unfortunately these statistics are a total fabrication. They all make it “SEEM” like it’s the black community cause that’s what makes white ppl feel safe and justified. The truth is white on white crime is just as high as black on black crime. According to the “rigged” DOJ stats 42.9% of ALL VIOLENT CRIME(excluding murder) is committed by WHITES! That number doesn’t include white collar crime(stealing) or mafia(embezzling/racketeering) related crimes. The media would have us believe black ppl are just bad. We all know white ppl are worse. The numbers against blacks are grossly inflated to push an agenda. Telling the world blacks are violent makes murdering okay and helps WHITE AMERIKKKA SLEEP AT NIGHT.

      • susan

        That is just ridiculous. There is no rational reason to fabricate anything. To even suggest that fabricating statistics makes white ppl feel safe is utter nonsense. How can ppl feel safe if they aren’t dealing with the truth? Further, unless white ppl are less than 42.9% of the population, then the rate is proportionate to the population. Where is your proof of what you are saying?

        In addition, your numbers exclude murder. Why is that I wonder? YOU are trying to manipulate the facts.

        As for white collar crime, people just don’t care about that as much. If your car is stolen, you can get another car. You cannot get another life. We let the courts deal with white collar crime but when it comes to violence, we want THOSE people off of our streets so that we actually can sleep at night, and there is NO color involved in that. Are you saying that it’s ok with white ppl if white murderers are roaming around our neighborhoods? Get a clue.

        NO ONE, is saying that murdering is ok. I repeat, NO ONE! You are beyond ridiculous to even suggest that and everyone here can see right through that nonsense. If you look at the truth, it doesn’t matter what color you are. If you are a violent criminal we want you off of the streets and most people don’t really care what happens to you.

        Some white robber in Florida got chased by the police and ended up in some swamp area and was eaten by alligators. You know what kinds of things people were saying about that? “Burp.” No one cared at all. They figured that he got what he deserved and had zero amount of sympathy for him. Frankly, I don’t care if white people or black people are worse. If they commit a violent crime then they get what they deserve.

      • Mike From Indiana.

        Damien Carr These people are trying to prove the opposite. See above.

      • Excuse me? No, actually, Excuse You Sir! I was happy to read your comment here, UNTIL U seemed to have crossed that RACIST line. I, for one, am NOT a racist. By YOU saying, and I quote from above: “The media would have us believe black ppl are just bad. We all know white ppl are worse.” SMDH! Please do NOT allow your emotions to do the very thing “they”… (The so-called “masterminds” behind this disgusting “plan”) want us to do: #1. [Known as “Divide & Conquer”] DIVIDE US ALL Against Each Other In (Their) Hopes of Starting a “Race-War”, while at the same time, CONQUERING us while we are ALL distracted… “us” being the 99%. And the KKK was started by the Democratic Party, to Kill & Intimidate ALL Republicans at that time. The KKK is actually referred to as: The Terroristic Arm of The Democratic Party.

        • Damian L

          You are wrong about the KKK,think.Are they progressives? Or do you think they might be a little to the right?

          • susan

            No. The KKK is not a little to the right.

            A huge part of the reason why I am an independent is because I am beyond disgusted with the constant bickering between the left and the right. As far as I can tell, they are both about equally responsible for this behavior. The left, however, seems to be a bit more nasty and intolerant. Even the Pope has come to accept gay people.

            I have been a conservative and a liberal in my lifetime and I have seen very few racists on either side. There may always be some idiots but by and large, it has not been acceptable to be a racist for a very long time. The ridiculous accusations from the left that all, or even most conservatives are racists is just not true. Many of my friends and relatives are conservatives but not a one of them is racist. Where I find the most racists is among the elderly, of both parties. They were born and raised that way but they are a dying breed.

            I make a point out of watching both right and left leaning news shows. On both sides, I hear accusations that are just ridiculous and I find myself rolling my eyes. The divide has become so great that I actually think that we should just divide the country into North and South or East and West and may the best party win.

            The KKK is certainly not progressive in any way but the idea that the left is “progressive” is just a matter of opinion. In my humble opinion, the left is hindering any kind of progress because of their arrogant attitude that only they are right about pretty much everything and everyone else is just stupid. This hubris has become so pervasive that the likes of Donald Trump has emerged. If Hillary Clinton is the best of the left then the idea of Trump as the best of the right should be no surprise.

            If I weren’t an atheist I would say “May god help us all.”.

            • Dee

              May God help us all.

        • Dee

          That’s real

      • Dee

        Preach!!!

      • Greg VanHeusen

        I sleep at night knowing there are police, a DOJ, and courts protecting me (hopefully) against any color offender. Not that it matters but the DOJ stats show more Black on White crime than White on Black crime. And there is more white violent crime overall because 63.7% of the country is white so I would have thought the white violent crime would be higher. (A black is 27 times more likely to attack a white and 8 times more likely to attack a Hispanic than the other way around. Straight from DOJ report.) But none of this matters. Solve the reasons why human beings do anti-social things and then we can all live together colorblind.

    • Don417

      blacks at a rate disproportionate to their total percentage of the population

      uhh, yeah they also commit far more crime at a rate disproportionate to their total percentage of the population. But why let facts get in the way of a false narrative?

      • Crop boy

        U on Facebook?

    • fxrsniper

      Your statistics is incorrect as of December 24 2015, 964 people killed by cops. 564 were armed with a gun, 281 armed with another weapon, 90 unarmed Per FBI statistics

      • justme

        The article says “so far”, the article was written in Sept. 2015. There is an editors note at the top of the article from Nov. 2015, stating a change in the stats.

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    • Jessica Sydnor Marcus

      Maybe the reason that the number of police killed is because they do shoot first. If the over 500 armed people were not shot first and killed do you not think the number would be a bit higher? Take the MD officer recently who was shot and killed when she responded to a domestic dispute. What would the headline have been if she had seen hi first and shot and killed him instead? Would it be another statistic of an officer abuse of power? Would the headline be “Officer shoots black man in his own home over a fight with his wife” with a picture and story from the wife about what a great guy he was. Sorry, but people can say whatever they want. Knowing that there is a BIG payday in line if they can somehow make enough people believe they were abused by police, people have a huge motive to lie and fabricate stories.

      • Dee

        Yeah like you

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    • Piping White Hoes

      UN committee urges US government to pay reparations for slavery
      Published time: 1 Feb, 2016 22:43

      A United Nations panel of human rights activists has urged the United States’ government to pay reparations to the descendants of Africans who were brought to the US as slaves. The committee blamed slavery for the plight of African-Americans today.

      The UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent’s preliminary report follows a year of aggravated racial tensions in the United States that saw the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, whose members rally against the deaths of unarmed black men like Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

      Mireille Fanon Mendes-France, the chairwoman of the committee, drew parallels between the police killings in the United States and racist lynchings that occurred in the South until the civil rights era.

      “Contemporary police killings and the trauma it creates are reminiscent of the racial terror lynchings in the past,” Mendes-France told reporters. “Impunity for state violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency.”

      The committee released its preliminary recommendations on Friday after an 11-day fact-finding mission in the US, meeting with black Americans and others in different cities across the country.

      Speaking at a press conference in Washington, DC, the group said that Congress should pass the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act, establish a national human rights commission and publicly acknowledge that the Atlantic slave trade was a crime against humanity.

      Mendes-France, who is the daughter of leading black intellectual Frantz Fanon, said that the group was “extremely concerned about the human rights situation of African-Americans,” according to AP.

      “The colonial history, the legacy of enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the U.S. remains a serious challenge as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent,” she continued.

      While reparations are often envisioned in the United States as individual payments of cash, Mendes-France, a French woman, told Vice that she does not favor such a method. Instead, she recommended that the money be spent for the “full implementation of special programs based on education, socioeconomic, and environmental rights.”

      continued:

      https://www.rt.com/usa/330934-un-recommends-usa-reparations-slavery/

      It’s coming…

      • Slam256

        I wonder if they will do the same for the white slaves that came from England to early America?

        • Piping White Hoes

          Go ask them.

          • susan

            You won’t be able to find them. Instead of whining and complaining about what happened hundreds of years ago they have moved on and are living their lives.

            • Piping White Hoes

              *yawns

              I didn’t read any of that. You’re wasting your time.

              • susan

                You posted it. You didn’t read what you posted? That is obvious to everyone here. Any facts that you don’t like and you cut tail and run. Go ahead. No one cares. The facts remain and according to your own article that YOU posted, you have already gotten what they say you should get, reparations in the form of “full implementation of special programs based on education, socioeconomic, and environmental rights.”

                • Piping White Hoes

                  I didn’t read this.

                  • susan

                    Of course not. You REALLY hate it when someone corrects your misinformation with the truth.

                    • Dee

                      You speak no truth because the truth ain’t in you your father is a liar and your a liar like your father

            • SickOfExcuses

              Susan you’re wasting your good breath. Don’t bother, it ISN’T WORTH IT!!!!

              • Dee

                Sick of white people

            • Dee

              Yes you will their right here in Amerikkka

          • susan

            “While reparations are often envisioned in the United States as individual payments of cash, Mendes-France, a French woman, told Vice that she does NOT favor such a method. Instead, she recommended that the money be spent for the “full implementation of special programs based on education, socioeconomic, and environmental rights.”

            • Dee

              Preach!!!

        • Dee

          Oh now you albino Neanderthals were slaves thought y’all were God fearing disease riddled pilgrims lol

      • fxrsniper

        Or thanks us for keeping them here instead of being enslaved in africa as they would have if Lincoln sent them back as he wanted to.

        • Piping White Hoes

          You mean after Africa was invaded and forced to sell tribal war POWs as slaves or become slaves themselves? Ok.

          And Lincoln didn’t want to pay to send former slaves back even though he didn’t want my ancestors here.

          • fxrsniper

            That could very well be true but he didn’t want them here was mu main point. My personal was against slavery and segregation.

          • Mike From Indiana.

            We evil white people fought the bloodiest war in our history to free your ancestors.
            1-2 percent owned slaves, the rest of them were busy trying to prepare for winter.
            Of that 1-2% there were many black slave owners, and plenty of white slaves, who were likely to be worked to death as they weren’t as valuable.
            Does that ever get talked about? Or do these facts just make me a privileged racist white guy?
            How about the black people who captured and sold their own people? Should they pay people who weren’t directly affected? Our ancestors aren’t us, no one alive in America today owned slaves, or was a slave. I am so sick of the racial divide, we have a black president, everyone thought that would make a difference. It only seems to have gotten worse.

            • Dee

              Because you white people have gotten dumber. Your idiots always have been always will be cherry picking through history keeps you and your people dim witted or better yet good politicians don’t need much snap for that these days read read read and then read some more so you can get a comprehensive view of reality. Read up on the third crusade start there but you have a long way to go to even have a valuable opinion your argument isn’t nothing amounting to little more then just hot air.

          • Dee

            Preach!!!

      • Greg VanHeusen

        Sorry but a few thousand dollars to each black person will not make black people well educated, employed in good jobs, and feel better about themselves, it will make “no” difference and will “not” be deserved.
        What happened to people that don’t even exist in the memories of people living today have no claims to stake. Continually dredging up the past keeps us in the past. We must move forward.
        The solution is colorblind. We need to fix the inequality of education and opportunities of the bottom third of the country which just so happens to be dis-proportionally black but so what? that’s life, it’s not always fair.
        P.S. Who cares what some French women says?

        • Dee

          The bottom third so there’s a whole lot of alright white people educationally job wise and how they feel about themselves. And what your ancestors did in the past to my ancestors made all that bs you talking possible.

          • Greg VanHeusen

            The reason why people are in the bottom third is because they lack education and don’t have or take advantage of opportunities to climb the social ladder (if they even want to). This is partly because of racist attitudes over the years but not because of slavery 150 years ago. Don’t fool yourself by believing this country was built on the backs of slaves or racism. The most prosperous parts of the country prior to the civil war were slave free. In fact the North won the civil war because it was an industrial and financial powerhouse.

            Why do you say my ancestors did something to yours? You don’t even know me.

      • Greg VanHeusen

        Come on dude, Piping white hoes? Really? Racist much?

      • DollarFray

        Are they going to ask the Muslim nations to pay reparations to all the descendents of Europeans who were taken into slavery by the Islamic conquerors?

        • Jonquil

          Exactly! A lot of Irish folk ended up that way.

      • Jonquil

        And how did black slaves get sold to people to sell in the new world? Mostly by other Africans and such. Check out the Barbary pirates sometime, for instance.

        • Dee

          That’s all you know about Black history just that little bit? No more? Maybe you need to read more then just Barbary pirate’s

          • Jonquil

            No it isn’t all I know.

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    • susan

      If your complaints are against ALL white people then my complaint is against ALL men, YOUR gender. Even within your own race women have been discriminated against and thought of as less than men. I have seen it and experienced it. I have not tolerated it, but it definitely does happen. Chris Brown certainly thought that it was acceptable to abuse Rihanna as OJ did to Nicole. Men in general are guilty and according to your logic we should receive reparations for years of abuse and discrimination.

      I believe in facts only. I am not programmed to believe anything and in fact, have been against racism of any kind for all of my life. I have believed things to be true, like religion, and then when presented with the true facts I have had to change my beliefs accordingly. You are debating me. When opposing arguments are presented about a topic that is a debate. Present true facts that support your position and I will agree with you and support your position. If you cannot support your opinions with facts then they are just your misguided opinions.

      Being black or white you get to live whatever sides of the topic that you experience. That may be a very different experience than what another black person sees. There are numerous black men that disagree with you say. They did not see the same “both sides” that you have. Why is that? You continually want to blame white people for something that was done to you by black people. Why? It is you that is programmed to believe a particular way and dismiss anything that challenges that.

      For the record, I am not emotionally moved by this discussion in any way. You made a comment. I questioned the basis of what you have presented. I am completely open to your plight if you can make a cogent case for it. You have not yet done so. You have said that reparations were made to other groups so that means that they are owed to you. You neglected to mention that the reparations that you spoke of were explicitly for SURVIVING victims ONLY. You have blamed white people for slavery while completely ignoring the fact that it was NOT white people that enslaved you. You have used things that happened over 100 years ago as evidence that supposedly supports your premise. It does not.

      What I do with my time or the man in my life has no basis in this conversation. It has been something that you have done on this site several times that when you are presented with evidence that you don’t like, you get nasty and try to insult people. I have a much tougher skin than that so it doesn’t phase me at all. Educated people do not get emotional and lower themselves to personal attacks in an intellectual conversation. They listen and try to understand the other person’s side. Make a valid point and people will understand you and support you.

      If not, then live your good life in one of the best cities in a beautiful country. Enjoy your plush sofa and your beautiful daughters and watch your big screen TV. That’s what I will be doing today.

      Hundreds of years ago, black Africans enslaved other black Africans and those slaves, ended up all over the world. According to you, you are in a pretty good place. None of us can change the past or what happened before we were born and you are wasting your time and energy on it. Live for today. Tomorrow is not guaranteed for any of us.

      • Piping White Hoes

        You claim that you’re educated (yet not programmed) but how many books have you read on the African slave trade and its differences between prisoners of war in tribal conflicts among Africans prior to the slave trade? The fact that you believe what you believe regarding Africans selling their “own” people, sets you up for failure in any discussion on the lasting effects of slavery. Rather than me going to my book shelf and listing titles, I’ll see how sincere you are in your personal crusade against racism. Prove to me that what you believe is true: that “Africans” sold their “own” people and I’ll concede. But to suggest a Zulu and an Ashanti are the same people (or any other rival tribes on the continent) is like calling a Spaniard and a Frenchman the same. We’ll start there and I’ll see how long you can hang with me. Up until now, I’ve been doing this to pass time, but if you want a real debate, let’s go.

        • susan

          A real debate? You’re on.

          You pick any book that you like and I will read it, cover to cover, as long as it has some relevance to how slavery affects black people today. IF it truly discusses that the slave trade of the past is still affecting lives today, then I will read it. I may very well read some other things that you suggest regarding slavery but the topic here is about how it affects black lives today. I have always been interested in American and World History and so I have no problem reading anything historical.

          We have already discussed the issue regarding the different countries of Africa. I am well aware of the tribal differences. The point is that it was black Africans NOT white people that enslaved those that were sold into slavery. Were the Zulu’s, Ashanti’s, Mali’s and Mandingo’s not all AFRICAN just as Spaniards and Frenchmen are all European? If so, then I have already proven that what I believe is true. They could have been Asian or Arabic for all I care as my point is simply that they were NOT the white man that you blame for everything.

          I do understand that you are saying that they were not selling “their own” per se, because they were from different countries and cultures. I get that. I’m just not sure what your point is. It seems like a distinction without a difference. Many black people have referred to themselves as AFRICAN Americans, not Egyptian Americans or Nigerian Americans. Correct? I would venture to guess that most African Americans today have no idea what tribes or countries that they came from. Many have publicly stated that they don’t even care.

          If you want to blame anyone for African slaves being taken from their homes and sold into slavery then it begins with those Africans that captured, enslaved and then sold them. When we want to stop drugs, who do we go after first, the buyer or the seller? It is always the dealers that we go after, and no one cares where they came from. If we want to stop prostitution rings we go after the pimps and the Madams. You stop the flow by shutting down the source. The source of African slaves was Africa and if you want to blame someone for slavery then why is it that you do not hold them accountable?

          • Dee

            Your ignorance amazes me how the slave trade is relevant to today really you really asked that question

            • susan

              Feel free to present some evidence.

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                      • susan

                        Again, a very complex issue. This article points out something that I have thought about and suspected for some time now.

                        A few years ago, while discussing this issue, someone that I know suggested that black people are arrested more because they are more open about their crimes, that they don’t seem particularly concerned about committing crimes in the open. I wasn’t sure if that was the case but I thought it was interesting and so I started thinking about it and some of the people that I know. It did seem to me, that now that I thought about it, a lot of the black people that I knew when I was younger were kind of careless about doing a few minor things, like smoking or selling pot, out in the open. It had been a long time and so I asked my daughter and a few other people that I knew if they thought that this might be true. My daughter had a lot of black friends and she said that yes, now that I mentioned it, she had also noticed this.

                        I started asking around for awhile, of black people that I knew and white people that had black friends and the consensus seemed to be that most everyone that I spoke with agreed that yes, black people were kind of unconcerned about doing a lot of illegal things out in the open. I knew that this was just my own little survey and didn’t prove anything at all.

                        Then the Michael Brown case hit the news and here it was again, this issue of not seeming to be afraid of the law. When the story first broke I had a few different thoughts before I knew all of the facts. One of the first thoughts that I had was that if I had just robbed a local store, I sure as he l l would not be walking down the street out in the open. If I had even dared to be outdoors after committing a crime I would be hiding in a car, or ducking in and out of bushes or in an alley or something. Getting off of the streets and indoors would be the very first thing on my mind.

                        Now here, this article that you have presented is stating that what I just thought of as an opinion might actually be a fact. I believe that there is MUCH more to this story.

                      • Piping White Hoes

                        You asked me to present facts and you counter it with anecdotal evidence and assumptions based on personal experiences? You’re attempting to confirm something that you “suspected” to characterize an entire race’s criminal class. And to touch on something else you said, calling my rebuttal to your claim that Africans sold their own people “irrelevant”… irrelevant to you? So when were you appointed the judge of relevancy in all things dealing with race? What granted you the right to wield so much power and authority? This is why I typically keep these discussions as basic as I possibly can, because as I said days ago, no matter how many links to evidence I provide, you see the world through a lens that won’t allow you to cope with reality. Racism didn’t end when Obama stepped into office. In fact, since he’s done very little to help black people outside of being a symbolic victory that doesn’t count for anything, he’s actually helped things slide backwards racially. Added to that is he had little interaction with black people in his formative years, his blackness is a show. He cut all ties to anyone holding radical views on his campaign trail and showed he had only used them to get black people’s support. I’ve said all that I’m going to say on this subject. Either all black people are paranoid and crazy or we’re all speaking from similar experiences. And the sellouts don’t count. They’ll do anything to fit in.

                      • susan

                        No. I would never have mentioned the anecdotal evidence except the article that you presented stated this as a fact. In essence, it is saying that my thoughts actually have some basis in facts. If I present something as just my own personal experience and I tell you that it is just an idea, a possibility that I was exploring, then it is no more than that. The article that YOU presented did state that what I only suspected is actually true.

                        Regarding slavery, I was simply saying that which Africans sold which other nationalities of Africans has no relevance on this topic. If you think that there is some relevance then you have not said what it is though I have asked you several times. They were all AFRICANS!

                        As I have stated before, I have a hard time believing that people randomly discriminate against others for nothing other than the color of their skin. This just makes no sense to me. We all have differences of skin colors. There has to be more to it. I don’t believe that everything is about racism. Some things actually are, but everything isn’t. My whole reason for having this discussion is because I see something that just doesn’t make sense and so I am trying to reexamine some of my beliefs and try to find out what other possibilities might exist, what other reasons there might be for something that just doesn’t sit well with me.

                        If I say that the majority of crimes are committed by men, does that mean that I discriminate against all men? Does it mean that I hate men? No. It’s a true statement. There are far more men that commit crimes than women. Why? Are they just more violent by nature? Could there be other reasons? Do they just get caught more? There are so many different variables.

                        It’s the same with racism. If it’s true that black people are arrested for more crimes, there’s any number of reasons for why that is the case. It is one possibility that they just do commit more crimes, but there are other possibilities also. It is entirely possible that they are more open when committing crimes. It’s also possible that they tend to live in high crime areas or that for some social reason others report their crimes more often. There are untold numbers of possibilities to explain this. It could also be that it’s just racism, but how do you know for sure unless you study all of the other variables? You can dislike Obama for instance, for any number of reasons other than the color of his skin.

                        One of the things that I have noticed recently is that from Rodney King to Michael Brown and Eric Garner, they had one thing in common that has absolutely nothing to do with race. They were all resisting arrest, or running from the police. This behavior is likely to get you into hot water no matter what color you are. Chris Rock did a whole comedy skit about this.

                        I certainly don’t think that all black people are paranoid and crazy but they also don’t all report similar experiences. Some do. Some don’t. You just choose to dismiss them as sellouts because they chose to live their lives in a different way. It’s a free country. If they choose to live their life in some way then that is their choice. If it works for them then who are you to tell them how to live?

                        In any case, it may be true that you have a lot of valid points and it may also be true that you just might be wrong about a few things. Most of the time, in any argument, there is enough blame to go around on both sides, or even if your side is mostly right, it might also be true that you could still be contributing to the problem. Sometimes, the problem is so fricking complex that it’s hard to even know where to begin.

                      • susan

                        A MUCH more complicated issue. There is no question that there is a problem with schools in the inner cities, but the reasons for it are much more complex.

                      • susan

                        Seriously, you should have just led with this stuff.

                    • susan

                      Yep. There is still discrimination in housing.

                  • susan

                    Ok. There is definitely a problem with housing. The severe penalties should put an end to it, but there are some serious problems with housing.

                • susan

                  Things are better, which disproves something that you said, but there is still a problem with housing.

              • susan

                Ok. There may be a problem with housing.

                • Piping White Hoes

                  The problem with housing means a smaller window of opportunity for the children of those denied. With the distractions of poorer neighborhoods (kids pursuing “easy” money) and the poorer quality schools that serve those neighborhoods, it is much more an uphill battle for a child to be successful and that just feeds the cycle.

                  • susan

                    Housing is definitely a big issue and it affects everything. In one of these articles that you posted it says that in a poll that was done, most Americans did not think that this was a problem. I certainly didn’t. There are laws against housing discrimination so most of us assume that this cannot be going on because it’s illegal. If it happens, it should immediately be reported so that it can be stopped. I’m not sure how this can still be going on so long after the laws have been in place. Is it not being reported? Are the owners not be prosecuted?

                    Instead of being hostile you might have just posted these articles. This is exactly what I’m talking about. You have a valid position here and reliable sources to back it up. People were really not aware of it. Instead of being nasty and insulting you could have informed people of this situation. This is a public forum. You can reach more people here than you could in your own personal life. THAT is how you change things. Being nasty and insulting, people just shut you out and ignore you. That too, feeds the cycle.

            • susan

              I know what white flight is but I might question the reasoning behind it. Certainly there are some racists that fled the very minute that black people moved in. Good riddance as far as I’m concerned. I’ve never wanted to live near racists anyways.

              Some white people though, did not leave because black people moved into the neighborhood. I know this for a fact because I lived in Detroit during this time. Many of the white people chose to stay, but then decided to leave several years later, when the areas became crime ridden and dangerous.

              • Mike From Indiana.

                I am sure lots of people left just because of race early on, but many families stayed.
                Today we still have people of all colors leaving the cities as fast as they can. The taxes they pay for the services received is not worth it. The big factories that employeed people closed, and the people who had to find work left, those on the governments dime had no reason to go, they actually had reason to stay.
                Detroit is a terrible example, it was booming with a car industry that needed bodies to build cars. Those huge factories brought people of all shapes colors and sizes to those cities to work. They weren’t just factory jobs, engineers, electricians, pipe fitters, home builders, you name it all crammed in to work.
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                Modern society doesn’t have to live in the city to work there, transportation was changing around the same time, schools began to fall apart with the neighborhoods, people were making a decent living and moved their kids out of the city for schools, and safe neighborhoods. We made it easy for them to commute. People still commute today hours to work, is it because black people? That is a terrible thought, but it’s your thinking. No it’s because they can have a yard, and send their kids to schools that are safe, not schools that are white. That’s where your perception becomes your reality, your article implies motive on whites, but doesn’t explore all the good reasons to live in the suburbs. If you truly want to see things from both sides, then try. I can, I can at least say “some left because black people are black”, but you can’t acknowledge the other reasons they left.

          • susan

            Probably slightly biased, but I don’t disagree with much of it.

        • susan

          Long ago history. No relevance to today.

          • Piping White Hoes

            This was in response to you saying Africans sold their own people. I brought this up because you brought that up.

          • Dee

            Pseudo historians like you need to sit down shut up grown people talking

      • Piping White Hoes

        I challenge you to read each link below (replies under each of my replies). Arm yourself with the truth and not your opinion and then we can have an intelligent conversation. I have more information when and if you are ready. I may come off as an opinionated jerk, but behind my obnoxious screen name is someone that has spent YEARS studying this subject. I once wanted to continue believing that this country had changed. I, like you are now, was very wrong.

        • susan

          I will read the links that you have posted. I don’t question that you have studied this for years but your studies may have been biased. I don’t know that for sure but we’ll see. To suggest however, that this country has not changed, is absurd. Not all that long ago a black man couldn’t even drink out of a water fountain that was not designated for his race. Today a black man is the POTUS.

          Things are not perfect. There are still problems, but race relations have changed dramatically just in my own lifetime. Being an opinionated jerk and having an obnoxious screen name may not help you make things any better though. Just a thought.

          • Piping White Hoes

            Sounds good. Read the links and get back to me.

          • Dee

            Being dumb deaf and blind won’t help either

    • mike2000917

      Not paying buddy. Even the half white president was unable to make white people pay.

      • Piping White Hoes

        *yawns*

        I hope you live long enough to see what’s coming.

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    • Harry Nutzach

      That “The Counted” website is pretty informative. So it looks like 2015 finished up with 1145 killings total:
      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

      But this article is crap. That site doesn’t support the Black Lives narrative, it proves that BLM folks are lying and twisting the numbers. According to this link: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43

      Whites: (77.7% of the population) committed 69.25% of the crimes, and 59.38% of the violent crimes

      Blacks were twice as likely to commit crimes:

      Blacks: (only 13.2% of the population) committed 28.11% of the crimes, and 37.67% of the violent crimes

      So as a percentage of the total killed by the police:

      Whites: 581 of 1145 50.74%
      Blacks: 304 of 1145 26.55%

      Those numbers roughly line up with the percentage of violent crime committed by these 2 groups. Which proves that in identical situations, cops shoot blacks & whites pretty equally.

      • fxrsniper

        Your statistics is incorrect as of December 24 2015, 964 people killed by cops. 564 were armed with a gun, 281 armed with another weapon, 90 unarmed Per FBI statistics

      • Crop boy

        Are u on Facebook

      • Dee

        Man is you stupid or retarded from all them drugs

        • Harry Nutzach

          Do you have a problem with my logic or my math ? Then refute it.

          No, it’s much easier on your feeble brain to simply fling insults.

    • Jerpell

      Sooo…..Blacks commit over 70% of all crime in America but fewer blacks are killed than whites…….So please explain to me what is the beef blacks have with police?….”Black Whiners Matter”…..

      • knazbeatz

        He was talking statistics. Here’s and eye opener the chart may be from 2012 but look at this If you will. This is from the FBI website,who gathers and tallies information on crime from all police force data bases. The definition of Institutional racism is a pattern of social institutions — such as governmental organizations, schools, banks, and courts of law — giving negative treatment to a group of people based on their race. From across the country It has been evident that white people have had a clear advantage in these areas in the past four hundred years or so. The saying you will never understand a man’s struggle until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes should apply here. White people have not had the terroristic pleasure of having their basic human rights taking away for over four hundred years. Needing amendments to the Constitution, having to be escorted to school by US military so that you may have the same educational advantages as white students. Fair housing,affirmative action was created out of the need for equal opportunity for employment etc. You see the pattern, he’s saying black people kill each other at alarming rate,and yes thats true but people generally cause crime in the community in which they live and that includes white folk. But the difference is black crime is highlighted using media sources and white folks is not to a certain extent. All this is a form of institutionalized racism. It’s just sad that the panel did not bring up any of these facts. White folk have had and continue to have an advantage base off of a system that has been in place for hundreds of years and to not recognize this is delusional. Racsim is clearly non productive to anyone or any race as long as it goes unchallenged by all races. https:// http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf#disablemobile

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        • Anthony Cornwell

          very true but you also have to look at population percentages. black crime constitutes a 3rd of the total crimes while only accounting for 12% of the populations. and the violent crimes are about half of the crimes. Which isnt to say i blame black people in itself and im willing to wager most of this stuff happens in very low income areas. Which is also not really coincidentally where most of the unarmed shootings happen by police officers. When white people are ;low income the same things happen. they are much more likely to be criminals and also to get shot

          • knazbeatz

            Ok your using the whole per capita blacks make up a smaller percentage as population relates to crime. But what your missing to the victim crime is crime. Whites commit more crime forget the percentage according to population ratio. As a whole compute the numbers add them up and you will see white people commit more crime period. Basic math one plus one equals two. Thats the same rationale whites use when computing who gets more welfare. The whole per capita nonsene, crime is crime and numbers don’t lie. Try that per capita nonsense on someone who can’t count.

            • uncommonsense2010

              The Per Capita thing means that if we removed only 13% of the people, put all the blacks on a space craft and sent them to the moon, even though they’re 13% of the people the crime rate drops by 50%

              • SickOfExcuses

                You are wasting your good breath on someone who doesn’t deserve your time.

            • Dee

              Preach!!!

          • mike2000917

            Don’t try to argue with this irrational nonsensical poster. He clearly can’t comprehend the most basic statistical analysis and as such is indicative of the dumbing down of this society.

          • Dee

            Ok that’s reasonable but are whites targeted?

        • jram511

          Not sure what happened to my original statement of fact, but Anthony Cornwell got it right. Those FBI stats clearly show that blacks commit far more crime per capita. More than half of all murders…really? And you’re worried about the cops…really?

          • knazbeatz

            Ok your using the whole per capita blacks make up a smaller percentage as population relates to crime. But what your missing to the victim crime is crime. Whites commit more crime forget the percentage according to population ratio. As a whole compute the numbers add them up and you will see white people commit more crime period. Basic math one plus one equals two. Thats the same rationale whites use when computing who gets more welfare. The whole per capita nonsene, crime is crime and numbers don’t lie. Try that per capita nonsense on someone who can’t count.

            • Max

              Don’t say things like “basic math” and then completely disregard per capita. You need to go and learn statistics so you can understand REALITY and how math ACTUALLY works. If you can’t understand or realize the importance of per capita as it relates to statistical information, which is what is used to translate probabilities and percentages, then you need to go educate yourself.

              • 2016 turnaround

                Lololol… 1+1 doesn’t count anymore

            • susan

              This article is about police killing more black people than white people. However, if you only look at the numbers then more whites are killed by police than black people. So what is your point then? If you don’t look at it per capita, then you should have no complaint about police. They easily kill more white people than black people. That too, is basic math.

            • Jimmy

              So when you go to the grocery store and see one brand item for sale for $5 and a second brand that sells 2 for $6, do you buy the $5 one or the $6 one? Which is cheaper? It’s the same concept. You have to look at the crime rate PER PERSON.

            • uncommonsense2010

              This reminds me of the test scores in Detroit. It’s like talking to a puppy trying to get them to understand the math of why blacks commit more crime by nature if the population of whites and blacks was equal. BUT damn that no child left behind just passing them city boys so they can get out to get jobs like NFL’s Dexter Manley on the Washington Redskins who couldn’t even read his own contract. And there you go completely proving you can’t understand it.

            • MrDoom458 .

              What elementary school did you drop out of, knigbeatz?

            • RayJayV

              A mind is a terrible thing.

            • twcoughlan

              Ok. So how many were armed? 161 were unarmed. What is that percentage? There are 50,000 cities in the US so your comment is total BS.

            • FDC

              Knazbeatz. You are correct that whites commit more crime but that is because there are more whites so it stands to reason they commit more based on sheer numbers. You have to look at the per capita to show percentages. You are also correct that numbers do not lie! More blacks are killed by blacks than whites but all that proves is blacks prey on other blacks more than whites prey on blacks.

              • susan

                And that is simply a matter of geography. If you live in an all black area, it’s likely that your victims will be black.

        • Jos A

          Knazbeatz,

          Total number of those convicted would expect a higher number for the majority and a lower number per minority. When calculating statistics you have to use per population (capita)

          Today the:

          white population is roughly 198,000,000 (6,056,000 crimes) = 3.0% of the white population have been convicted

          Black population is roughy 39,900,000
          (2,427,683 crimes) = 6.11%of black population have been convicted

          This indicated the black population is twice as likely to commit a crime. WHY?? We must address. We need to address poverty!!! Inner cities are the worst and a minority’s of all crimes committed are in inner cities.

          Also, homicide statistics can’t be argued!
          Black-kills-black is 90%
          White-kills-white is 83%
          White-kills-black is 10%
          Black-kills-white is 17%

          we should not make any of this a racial argument as it just feeds the racial propaganda… We need to address the police brutality.

          Statically, yes, statistically counting police killed whites against their human peers, more whites are killed but that’s expected as they do commit a majority of the crime. If using police brutality against white population though, whites are killed by cops .0003% as apposed to .0005% blacks. Statistically blacks are killed by cops .0002% more.

          This tells me that the #blacklivesmatter movement is not using the proper narritive, proportionately we are all victims of police plurality equally but the sum when using the sum of those convicted, white are proportionally more likely to be shot (why) simply because there are more whites.

          Though statistically black are twice as likely to commit a crime, as shown above 6.11% to whites 3.%. Rather than make this a racial issue, I’d like to point again to poverty. Statically blacks are much more likely to live in poverty and those in poverty are much more likely to commit a crime.

          There is no racial issue, the liberal media is cherry picking!

          • FDC

            Joseph A. Can you shed some light as to why blacks are more likely to live in poverty?

            • Slam256

              Many of them consider education a white thing and they remain stupid and not good prospect for good jobs. That’s why!

            • randomblackdude

              One Huge factor Ive been looking into is the willingness to take a [smart] financial risk. For instance, moving out and getting a much better house in a much better neighborhood. People get caught up in the traps of the ghettos, and frankly that is a death sentence.

          • Mike From Indiana.

            Thanks for spelling this out better than I did. It’s not a black white issue. Cops today feel like they’re going home no matter what these days. I too want them to go home safe, but there is inherent risk with the job, and you can’t mitigate the risk through aggression to the public.
            I have been in the utility industry all my life, which is a very hazardous job, and far more likely to be killed at work than a cop today. Cops used to be the first to rush into harms way, willing to give their lives to defend the innocent. They were willing to give a situation a moment to play itself out before using deadly force. Some of today’s cops are old out of shape and physically outmatched, and therefore scared to death. They will shoot you in a second if it means they will make it home to their kids. It’s human instinct to survive, I’m not saying it’s bad.
            There are instances where they shoot first, and that’s a problem, it just makes me crazy that the media only touches it when it’s a white cop and a black victim.
            If the public knew how many unarmed people were shot each year we would see change, yet we only see the ones that fit the new narrative.
            Why don’t community leaders speak out to young people and tell them to comply with police directives, if you’re busted give up. If the cop says don’t move, don’t move. If you’re pissed take it to court after the fact. With adrenaline flowing and guns out is not the time to argue your rights. Comply. You’ll be fine.
            The only person I’ve seen actually shot with his hands up was actually a white guy in suburbia, yet not a word on the news. This is where we start to have issues.
            When people say all lives matter they’re considered to be racist, don’t all lives matter? Shouldn’t all people be equally outraged by all brutality? Or will the answer be “no……because the kkk, because ….. Slavery”. This is the disconnect. Those people are dead, and we have big problems in front of us.

    • DeAndre Bright

      I wouldn’t really strongly agreed that the only reason black people are mostly beat or scrutinized by police is because that they’ve actually done something bad I find it as it’s just a matter of assumptions and bias. A article that I read about it’s called inequality in black and white the rigid economics of race in America in five studies. This article told me about African Americans are being crushed in stepping out of these boundaries that most people would assume that that’s where are they would normally be.I’m not really just trying to be racist and saying it’s only whites I’m trying to say that Society has put African Americans in a position whether it be stereotypes or just plan assumptions.

      • susan

        I keep coming back to this one question…..WHY? There were numerous minorities from all over the world that came to America, Asian, Polish, German, Irish, Italian, etc. Their living conditions were deplorable and yet, somehow, they all managed to succeed. All started out the same and yet all but one group overcame the obstacles. WHY is it that black people are so scrutinized by police? It really doesn’t make sense that something as irrelevant as skin color could make a difference. In reality, we all look different. Skin tones and cultural differences, etc. If so many started out at the bottom and were able to make it up out of their poverty what is the reason that one group, and only one, out of all others have not managed to succeed? There has to be a reason.

        If one of my children were to come home from school and tell me that EVERYONE in school hates them, I would have to ask them what they have done? Not everyone will like you but if EVERYONE doesn’t like you, then I have to look at what the reason is. Something is not right here and there just has to be more to it than skin color.

        • Anthony Cornwell

          i think its economics and the end results of history. i dont think police are out to get black people but the inner cities areas where black people were and are desperate are more likely to get involved in crime and more violent crime. just like any white people i have known who grow up in those areas. who also get shot by the police. With a natural and understandable distrust of authority causing black people to be more likely to fight a police officer than a white person who hasnt had much reason to fear authority. i think its an unfortunate and self feeding cycle that wont end until people realize that it is more than color being the issue

          • Dee

            Yeah when white unarmed straight a student’s start getting murdered by police we can talk

            • susan

              More white people are killed by police everyday, than black people. Further, FAR more black people are killed by other black people everyday. Where is your concern for the few so much greater than your concern for the thousands?

        • BoneShards

          Good question. I suspect, without any stats, that the majority of convictions are Americanized blacks, those who feel victimized and ostracized by past history. Haitian blacks, Ghanian blacks, Kenyan blacks, etc… there is a large immigrant population of blacks that seem to perform better because they don’t see themselves as victims, they see opportunity instead. But like I said, that’s just anectdotal evidence from the blacks I’ve known. If you grow up being told you are a victim, it’s likely to manifest itself in behavior, particularly towards those you see as your oppressor.

        • Dee

          Now you are thinking can’t say that for many white people and everybody that came over here do good like that huh? Check this out why don’t you read up on “Black Wall Street” Tulsa Oklahoma and there were plenty more Black Wall Streets but check that out that should provide a few answer’s.

      • Dee

        Preach!!! Preach

    • Yeah Arrest That Niqqer Beat Him While He’s Down Then Pop A Cap In The Bonehead!

      • Dee

        Black face impressive Honest Abe used to love minstrels that’s why he freed the slaves lol

        • Dee

          insulting name for a black person, 1909, perhaps from jig (q.v.), which had been applied insultingly to persons (regardless of race) since late 18c., and ending from bugaboo. Shortened form jig is attested from 1924.

    • navre12

      During the 1980’s, the city where I was attending my University became ground zero for the settling of “Vietnamese Boat People”, they arrived with nothing, few spoke English, nobody wanted these refugees in the community,(Whites,Blacks and Latinos),and they were marginalized into their own ghetto.
      But, I witnessed how they never gave up, as a community they worked together, they were poor but their crime rate was almost zero, they opened small Mom and Pop businesses, they made absolutely sure that their children studied hard and respected family and all of the surrounding community. They instilled a work ethic in their children that was the world owes you nothing and no matter how bad your circumstances are it is up to you to overcome and succeed.

      Boy did they succeed and by their own volition and against seemingly insurmountable obstacles. They have become as an racial group prosperous, high achievers, college graduates, business owners, politicians,and catalysts for continuing to improve the community and city as a whole.

      After witnessing the plight of these people, who arrived here after years of our government decimating their war ravaged country, and their determination to succeed as Americans, it demonstrated to me that there is no excuse for the Black community to not succeed except by their own failings.

    • susan

      No one is ever going to pay. Get over it. If anyone ever was going to be paid, it would have been your ancestors, who are long gone, and if anyone was ever going to be paying them, they are all long gone too. If you want reparations then I suggest you go get it from those who sold your people into slavery. Why is it that you’re not going after them to pay? THEY are the ones who enslaved and then sold human beings.

      You said it yourself. You’re doing just fine. You just said that you’re not a victim. Your ancestors were slaves and were rescued from that slavery to a better slavery and ended up in an even better place. Nice neighborhood, great schools, a car. I must have missed that long line of people clamoring to get back to Africa because they’ve got it so bad over here. Where are they?

      No one dislikes black people just for being black. You’re more racist than any white person but “Who cares?” No one.

      • Piping White Hoes

        Wrong.

        • susan

          Nope. Reparations are given out to surviving victims. Not the families. No one alive today was ever a slave, and you keep wanting to ignore the fact that it was not the white man that enslaved Africans in the first place. If you want reparations, go get them from the ones who were actually responsible. Africans made a big profit from selling human beings.

          Put out the word all you want. There are 318 million people in this country. Good luck with that. You’ll end up dead or in jail, and don’t tell me, it will be all the white man’s fault.

          Look around. You will see black Dr.’s and lawyers and politicians, business owners and even the President of the United States. If they can do it then so can you. Or else you might just want to consider that maybe it’s your attitude, and not the color of your skin.

          • Piping White Hoes

            Wrong.

            • susan

              You just keep saying that, and my black friends keep saying that they have been hearing this for decades now. Right up there with jesus is coming back. Their words, not mine. Tell them what racists they are.

              • Piping White Hoes

                Wrong.

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    • susan

      I never called Africa a country but you’re grasping at straws anyways. (The word “countrymen” has a much broader use than just being in the same country.) It was still NOT the white man that went in there and took the slaves.

      You are the one who is trying to make this a white vs. black issue so in that sense, yes, they were all black and African. You don’t hear people talking about the Angolan slave trade. It was known the African slave trade. You are trying to make a distinction without a difference which is why you would like to dismiss the truth.

      No, I am not black or African and I would never pretend to be. I won’t even waste my time telling you that my closest friends are black and bi-racial, even though they are, because I don’t even have to anymore. The fact of the matter is that as more and more black people have overcome the oppression, more and more of THEM are telling other black people to get over the drama and get out and make a life for yourself If they can do it, so can you. For whatever you want to believe about affirmative action, one black man came out and kicked Hillary’s female butt to the curb.

      One fact still remains true and that is that slavery was long gone before any of us were ever born. Yet again, come on into the new world where in spite of your many dramatizations, black people are succeeding. And for this, you will call them some nasty names and then continue on with your own diatribe about things that happened long ago. Wallow in the mire if you like. It is your choice.

      • Piping White Hoes

        The good old “slavery was hundreds of years ago routine” where you dismiss the Jim Crow era, the Civil Rights movement (47 ancient years ago, apparently) and the racial climate that led to the 1992 LA Riots.

        You can let your half privileged, biracial buddies rub your back and tell you that you’re one of the good ones all you want, but if you’re pretending racism is dead just because a few black people are able to overcome the norm in this country, you’re seriously disillusional. The Trump rallies that echo the true sentiments of the majority of white people and look and sound like KKK rallies are happening now, in 2016.

        It’s getting to the point where the denial of racism and the system of white supremacy is no longer possible. The reason for that? People like you that think befriending black, or in your case, Half-black people is the way to change things. No. You acknowledging and voicing your displeasure with an unfair system, that no matter your direct involvement, you are complicit by benefitting alone, is the only way things change. Like it or not inheriting the benefits of slavery make you an accomplice in the worst crime in human history. You must think you’re talking to an imbecile.

        Slavery just changed form and morphed slightly into something that makes it much more difficult for the average black person to compete against the average white person. Black people have to be exceptional in order to move up in this country, while your people can live in quality neighborhoods by barely trying.

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    • James

      Might it have something to do with the fact that blacks commit more crime.

    • Michael A. Carkin

      That’s a totally dumb article. Out of the total 25 officers were killed and you say that doesn’t support a claim that their job is stressful? How many of the other incident where death of the perpetrator was shot and killed from return fire? How about the many, many times where a full out assault of the police didn’t end in a death? How about the crazy crackpot running from the law and kills people with his car or because of a carjacking where the perp was only arrested? How about not knowing that just a simple welfare check could have you laid out on a slab, or some puke 12 year old is brainwashed to hate you and shoot you in the back? Why don’t you throw on that uniform and go patrol south philly for the evening and tell us how that job isn’t stressful.

      • BoneShards

        I kinda get what you are saying. Cop deaths may be lower precisely because they pulled the trigger when then did. It’s an unknown factor, and had law enforcement not shot when they did, their fatality rate might be much higher.

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    • BluePotion

      So the Black Lives Matter people are twisting the results to make it look like they have it the worst? So even though more white men were killed by cops it’s worse for them because there are less black people to begin with? OK. So do they want to be victims or do they want to be strong?

      • Piping White Hoes

        Police killed almost five black people per every million black residents of the U.S., compared with about 2 per million for both white and hispanic victims.

        Can you read? Does per capita mean anything to you? Let me make it easier… Black people are killed by police twice as much and make up much less of the population.

        • Toetsenbordsoldaat

          Whilst you’re already on it, you could try to make an effort and make this a complete comparison, for example by adding the violent crime ratios. Its not that hard, the numbers are available on the internet. Or don’t they suit your agenda of blind hatred and victim hood?

          • Piping White Hoes

            Because my post was full of hate, right? Are you really that sensative? While I’m looking at DOJ statistics to prove your point, I want you to Google search housing/mortgage discrimination, white flight and the difference in funding that schools in “urban” communties receive verses their suburban counterparts and then ask yourself what leads to violent crime? If you keep coming up with “black people are predispositioned to be more violent” I want you to keep reading all the way through American history and link the lack of opportunity to violence… wars even… revolutions. Then we’ll both be right.

            • Toetsenbordsoldaat

              What makes you think I wouldn’t be aware of some of those issues? But lets stick to the point; you are saying that since crime and violence is somehow justified according to you, police officers should be more reluctant to shoot a black person in comparison to another, just in order to to make the figures more proportionate to the total number of black people in the US?

              • Piping White Hoes

                “Justified”? *sigh

                That’s what you think I’m saying? If I have to explain everything I say after I say it, there’s no point. My last post is addressing (barely scratching the surface) the cause of criminal behavior. But I’m gonna leave it at that. Either you’re playing dumb or you’re an idiot. Either way, I’m not going to waste anymore time with you.

                • wordbigbird

                  Toetsenbordsoldaat another example of trolling. Piping White Hoes never mentioned crime begging justified just a correlation. There is no secret that unemployment is linked to crime – see link below.

                  Let’s talk facts and when we do let’s not neglect previous years because that sets the stage for what we see now.

                  Bottom Line – people want to be treated fairly across the board.

                  Can you imagine if some of the poor blacks ,who were brought on slave ships to the US and never had a fair shake with opportunity, were compensated for damages? Some of those damages has set an entire family back for generations. No money much less savings = no education = poor/no job = some form of criminal activity to make ends met = incarceration. Daddy’s not home.. broken home and the cycle continues for the next generation.

                  Just like how Germany paid reparations – The Treaty of Versailles and the 1921 London Schedule of Payments required Germany to pay 132 billion gold marks (US$33 billion) in reparations to cover civilian damage caused during the war. Would it be fair to compensate some of those who were treated poorly and inhumanly from 1700 to 1890’s.

                  Some would say. It wasn’t me, so would I be responsible? Then keep in mind The Treaty of Versailles why was it fine then and not now. We are all accountable for how people are treated and it’s not a THEM situation it’s a human situation we need to address and make right.

                  Video – institutional racism that has set the stage for what we see today with frustrations crime and poverty amongst some black people.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGRjW-bsCIA

                  Article – Unemployment is linked to crime
                  http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm

                • J Cowboy Young

                  Pimping Those White Hoes, I totally 100% agree with everything your saying and being a black man , I hate when people think that there is no racism and just because white people are starting to feel some hard times like black people have been for centuries now it’s no where comparable to the black man’s plight.

              • susan

                I’ve made this point before. The police are not social workers. They are law enforcement. They don’t have the time to stand there and think about all the failings of society when a thug is about to pull a gun and kill them. If you go into an area of high crime, you expect there to be crime.

            • ScroodeMcDuck

              You are right , the Khazarian Luciferians have been pitting the different races/nationalities against each other for untold centuries and then standing back and letting us eliminate each other so they can come in and mop up and take over. Add to that some strategic assassinations,well placed plants/provocateurs ,financed candidates,control of finance and “wallah” they have complete control ! You forgot to add in your reply that blacks “per capita” are more likely ( more than twice as likely) to be involved in crime against persons. Their own people are their greatest victims ! We all need to correct our way of thinking and purge the mindset that has been artificially foisted on us. We are all created equal, don’t let the system add or subtract from that. Love thy neighbor as you Love thyself ! Here is something you probably have never seen before,regarding our Immigrant history. http://codoh.com/library/document/610/ And Lincoln, quote: “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to
              interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists.
              I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to
              do so”. The Civil war was not about slavery,it was about State Rights and self determination ! http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25818

            • Lucretia Pittman

              The reason for disproportionately more black crime is simple. Lack of family values. No parents around, though my mother way back in the day had NO parents around and worked as hard as the slaves worked and is suffering face cancers today because of picking cotton in the fields, and she turned out fine. All her 9 brothers and sisters turned out fine and they had NOTHING. No food stamps, no free school lunches, no food except for what they grew. I am tired of the pity parties. Take responsibility for yourself and quit the blame game. My mother can tell you a thing or two. She is 95. Kids raised themselves, as her mother died young, and father took off.

              • susan

                I have read some of those lengthy, in depth, government studies about crime and racism, etc. Lack of family values is a part of it. The studies looked at how many different nationalities came to this country and were very poor in the beginning. The report studied how many Irish people were discriminated against and Asians immigrants had to share housing and other difficulties and how they overcame all of these issues. Family values and education played a large part of it.

                The attitudes against crime contributed to the urban decay also. In the inner cities many people are more concerned about not being a snitch than they are about preserving their property values. If you see a bunch of thugs destroying property and you don’t want to call the police, then expect to live in a ghetto. Yet another choice.

            • susan

              I don’t think that black people are predispositioned to crime. That’s ridiculous. You have a choice. Make the right one.

              • Lucretia Pittman

                True, susan…God put us here on earth with one particular thing to get us through life. CHOICE! Use it wisely or suffer the consequences.

        • fxrsniper

          Whited killed by cop 2% black killed by cops 1% .03% are unjustified

        • fxrsniper

          Murder rate in the US 52% black 46% whites, whites population 62% blacks 13% Black on black murder rate 62% nothing left to say

          • Piping White Hoes

            Poverty leads to crime. Why are black people poor? White people that’s why. It’s been that way. White poor people kill white poor people, but they aren’t shoved into ghettos and forced to compete over limited resources and living right on top of each other.

            That black on black crime routine is a tired talking point because simpletons always stop there and never want to look at the cause. The Civil Rights movement was only 47 years ago and since then, our neighborhoods were flooded with drugs that we didn’t ship in. We got to watch our leaders be assassinated and our black financial districts destroyed by racists (Google Tulsa Race Riot).

            And I’m saying this for anyone with sense (not you) to investigate. You’re an idiot for even saying what you said. Anyone else Google white flight, housing discrimination for blacks vs whites (currently), mortgage/loan discrimination and the funding challenges for schools in “urban” neighborhoods. Those factors create the climate for crime.

            If I’m to believe that 47 years ago all white people started loving black folks, stopped teaching their children hate and halted the system that was set up to keep them on top, then I’m a bigger fool than you.

            • fxrsniper

              you’re a blind fool Im idiot but yet the facts support my statement yeh good call. Stop making excuses like most typical black person does.

            • FHRITP

              “Poverty leads to crime”

              If you’re going speak about statistics showing the proportional higher amount of police shootings of black men and someone challenges your claim with opposing statistics showing the proportional higher violent crime rate of black males, and you’re follow up is a reason/or excuse for the higher crime rate within the black community; you’ve lost the argument. An excuse does not refute the statistic. Let’s say you’re right and poverty is the reason for the crime; does this mean black males don’t commit crime at a higher rate than any other race anymore? If you’re going to use statistics to make the claim that racism is the reason cops kill black males more often than any other race, then you have to consider the other side of the argument; which is maybe the reason for the higher frequency of black male shootings is due to the higher frequency of police confrontations with black males. Whatever reason you give for the higher crime rate within the black community is ultimately irrelevant, blacks still commit crime at a higher rate.
              When you are trying to solve a problem facts/statistics are all that hold up. There may be reasons for the facts/statistics of higher black male fatalities by police and we can discuss them, but it’s a separate discussion.

              • susan

                In addition, there are more white people receiving public assistance and so that leads me to believe that there are more poor white people than poor black people, so the idea that more black people commit crime because they are poor doesn’t hold up either.

            • Lucretia Pittman

              I’ve never known a single white person in my entire life to teach their children to hate. I have seen just this past year alone, many black people teaching their kids to hate cops. To distrust them. Instead of teaching them to respect cops, as I always have, comply if you are stopped. I do. Do not start fights with the cops. If blacks did not instill this in their kids, you would see a much lower count.

              Now go look up, of the 24 who were killed by cops last year, the circumstances of each one, and how they ended up dead. Read and learn. You don’t have to look it up. I provided the url below.

              About Michael Brown……The shooting of Michael Brown occurred on August 9, 2014, in Ferguson, Missouri, a northern suburb of St. Louis. Brown, an 18-year-old black man, was fatally shot by Darren Wilson, 28, a white Ferguson police officer. The disputed circumstances of the shooting of the unarmed man sparked existing tensions in the predominantly black city, and protests and civil unrest erupted. The events received considerable attention in the U.S. and elsewhere, attracted protesters from outside the region, and generated a vigorous debate about the relationship between law enforcement and African Americans, and police use of force doctrine in Missouri and nationwide.

              Shortly before the shooting, Brown stole several packages of cigarillos from a nearby convenience store and shoved the store clerk who tried to stop him. Brown was accompanied by his friend Dorian Johnson.[2] Wilson had been notified by police dispatch of the robbery and descriptions of the two suspects. He encountered Brown and Johnson as they were walking down the middle of the street. Wilson said that he realized that the two men matched the robbery suspects’ descriptions.[3][4] Wilson backed up his cruiser and blocked them. An altercation ensued with Brown and Wilson struggling through the window of the police vehicle for control of Wilson’s gun until it was fired.[5] Brown and Johnson then fled, with Wilson in pursuit of Brown. Brown stopped and turned to face the officer, then Brown moved toward him.[6] Wilson fired at Brown several times in total, all shots striking him in the front, with the possible exception of the two bullets fired into Brown’s right arm.[7] In the entire altercation, Wilson fired a total of twelve bullets;[8] the last was probably the fatal shot.[9][10][11] Brown was unarmed and moving toward Wilson when the final shots were fired. Witness reports differed as to what Brown was doing with his hands when he was shot, but none of the witnesses who said that Brown had his hands up in surrender were later found to be credible. brown was NEVER shot in the back, but to this day blacks walk around with their hands up as if it were Brown. Really dumb. Reality is reality. Accept he was a robber who assaulted the store owner and then got in a fight with cops trying to get control of him. He was dangerous and he was bad. It is mostly this way with every single one who was killed last year. The key is parents teaching their kids to respect people. When that ever happens, things will change, but I don”t expect it to happen. Teaching hate has become a way of life to many blacks nowadays. Wasn’t this way even 10 years ago.

              http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20150808-cases-of-24-unarmed-black-men-killed-by-police-this-year.ece

              • susan

                Michael Meyers, a long time black civil rights leader in New York has said that the jury in the Michael Brown case made the right decision. I suppose he’s racist too.

            • susan

              Nonsense. I have had enough of this poverty leads to crime excuse. I was very poor as a kid, grew up in Detroit, and no one in my family ever committed a crime.

              Whose fault is it that your neighborhood is flooded with drugs? If you didn’t buy those drugs, they wouldn’t be there.

              It is against the law to discriminate housing for black people and there are affirmative actions that require that so many loans must go to minorities. I see more and more successful black people so the opportunity is there.

              And who exactly are the racists that destroyed your black financial districts? In Detroit, the entire city has been run by black people for decades now and guess what, it’s a sick mess. No white people there to blame at all. The Tulsa race riot was in 1921. Get real.

              I know plenty of very successful black people. Why is it that they are successful and others are not? White and black leaders have been assassinated but we have a black president now. No one has assassinated him. Everything that you are saying is decades and decades in the past. Come join the new world.

            • Jilian

              It’s always someone else’s fault.

              • Piping White Hoes

                Not someone else. White slave owners and their destruction of our culture and the offspring that kept/keep it going. Name another people stripped of everything, taken against their will, dropped on another continent and subjected to the worst torture imaginable that turned out to be ok.

                • susan

                  It was the black African slave owners that sold off the black slaves. You like to act like the big bad white man went over there and took the slaves. They did NOT. Black Africans did that. They enslaved their own people and sold them off into slavery. In that time, EVERY race and nationality was being sold off into slavery. Black people have not cornered the market on slavery. There were many white people sold into slavery at that time. It was big business all over the world.

                  • Piping White Hoes

                    First off, African tribes were as diffferent from each other as white and black people are today. However a common practice shared between those tribes was to take prisoners of war and make them work off their “debts”. Eventually a slave from a rival group would b assimilated into the group that it was captured by. There was no “black” people back then. There was no “race” in Africa to betray. You were a member of your Tribe/Nation. The HUGE difference is when Europeans capitalized on this, is there would be no assimilation into white society, they would just work the slaves to death. Of course slaves existed in other cultures, but in the African slave trade, skin color and culture became the excuses to dehumanize and further mistreat the slaves. That is unique to the slavery that we’re discussing.

                    So no, black people didn’t enslave their own. And yes eventually Jews, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc. began kidnapping Africans in large numbers to supply the demand of slave labor on another continent. THAT hasn’t happened in history but once. You can try to equate the African slave trade to other slave trades all day, but until you crack open some books, you’re going to sound extremely misinformed.

                    • susan

                      First off, I’ve been cracking open many books since before you were born, and I have actually read them, so I know quite a lot about this subject. Further, let’s try to stick to the facts.

                      Yes, it was a common practice for African tribes to capture other Africans as spoils of war and keep them as slaves. They were enslaved. Period. Then they were sold off for profit. This turned out to be big business and it turned into just that. Business for profit. SOME, not most, were enslaved to pay off debt. Africans/blacks, whatever you want to call them, eventually went into the business of capturing human beings and selling them off as slaves, for money. And yes, these were their own. They captured and then sold their fellow countrymen, from AFRICA, where they all lived, to other countries.
                      None of that is relevant. You want to blame every ill of society on the white man but the truth of the matter is that black Africans and Muslims started the slave trade and white Europeans and Americans ended it. Your suggestion that Africans somehow had it much worse because of assimilation in ridiculous. Your statement that “in the African slave trade, skin color and culture became the excuses to dehumanize and further mistreat the slaves.” is simply NOT true.

                      Even if you could prove that some particular aspect of black slavery was worse than others, there would be other aspects of slavery that were unique to other slaves. There are many educated black people today that will tell you that some of the white slaves had it much, much worse and that many of the black slaves that came here had it much better than other slaves because the Americans wanted their slaves to be strong and healthy to work.

                      As for Americans, very few Americans EVER owned slaves at all, and Americans were very quick to end the practice. Those that you want to blame the most, actually had the very least of any nationality to do with slavery. If you were brought to this county as a slave, you just happened to end up in one of the most civilized and prosperous countries in the world. In Africa, slavery is still going on.

                      In American times, white people have fought to end discrimination of black people. From the civil war to the time of MLK, white people have spoken out against discrimination and brought about the end of segregation and discrimination. White people were murdered for daring to stand up against racism. Today, the vast majority of Americans support affirmative action, trying to help repair damages that were committed long before we were born. I see successful black people all around me. We have a black president, many black congressmen and business owners. The divide grows smaller every day.

                      I am never going to support white supremacy as I believe that all human beings are equal, but I am getting kind of tired of everybody blaming every ill of society on the big, bad white man. White people and black people have good and bad, just like every other race.

                      Do a google search of black people telling other black people to stop blaming everything on white people and do something for yourself. Follow the leaders instead of the drug dealers and you’ll do well in this country.

                      • Piping White Hoes

                        Affirmative action was made for WHITE WOMEN btw. Fyi they are a minority group. Once again you lack facts. I couldn’t help but skim your bs. You’re a joke homie.

                • Jilian

                  Everyone at some point in history was enslaved. Ever heard of the Slavs? They were enslaved for so long that they named the practice after them. Half my ancestry hails from czechoslovakia (Czech republic) and half from south Africa, do I get to piss and moan for the rest of my life that I’m some sort of victim?

                  We grew up dirt poor, and didn’t resort to excuses and whining. Do I get to be a criminal too with an eternal scapegoat to blame? No thank you.

                  • Piping White Hoes

                    Do you look black? If not the system in this country is slanted in your favor. All you have to do is assimilate and you’re in. No police harrasment BASED ON YOUR LOOKS, no funny style enterviews BASED ON YOUR SKIN COLOR AND HAIR TYPE, no loan discrimination for a home or business BASED ON YOUR RACE, no whites taking their tax dollars out of your neighborhood, thus changing the funding for school because THEY DONT WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO BLACK PEOPLE. You don’t see the system because it benefits you. Poor whites have more opportunities under white supremacy than poor blacks. It’s a fact. Deny it all you want, but that doesn’t change reality. Nobody is whining or looking for sympathy, but to act like white people play fair is a joke. If you believe that you’re probably crazy.

                • Dave Noether
                  • Piping White Hoes

                    Under the system of WHITE supremacy… in this country where no one was punished for that criminal behavior after the emancipation proclamation or for hanging black people during the Jim Crow era.

                    To point out a few (in comparison to white slave owners) black slave owners that were obviously mentally warped by what they got to witness here says what exactly? Sure, we have sellouts among us just like white people have women aiding black people in the genetic war by pumping out mixed babies. I see them all the time now. There are traitors on both sides.

                    • Dave Noether

                      My point exactly….there are traitors on both sides.

            • Jennifer

              If I’m to believe that blacks teach their children to love white people, and stopped teaching them that every bad thing that happens to them is someone elses’ fault, the “white man”, and that the world doesn’t owe them a living just because they’re black, and that segregation forced on blacks by other blacks is a good thing, and they should hate white people just because they’re white, then I’m the fool. Trillions of dollars spent to “lift” up the black race, money given hand over fist to the black communities with very little good results, and nothing is ever good enough for them. What fricking system is set up to keep whites on top? I want in on that! Right now the “system” would step on my head to give a black person or some other minority, something before giving it to me, even if I was more deserving!! There are poor whites, working to survive without the cushy government jobs via affirmative action, and the “system” never has, and still now, sure as h*** doesn’t care about them!

              • Piping White Hoes

                You’re wrong. This country does owe us. And by 2015 figures, it’s in the TRILLIONS of dollars. The US has paid the Japanese for US internment camps, reparations to Jewish holocaust survivors and the families of victims, has helped rebuild the counties destroyed by its wars, and given land and casinos to the Native Americans for slaughtering their nations, YET this country still pretends not only that slavery and white supremacy (Google Bacon’s Rebellion) are some ancient inconsequential history, but that the Revolutionary War and every wealth building step after wasn’t built on the foundation of free labor.

                Just like MLK said (in speech that you can easily find online) when we march on Washington next time it won’t be for equality, it’ll be for a check. Reparations. Money and damages owed. The judicial system in this country is built on financial restitution and justice equals money. The white middle class was propped up on government subsidies and special programs. Look it up. That head start must be nice. Well, now it’s time to pay on that loan. Miss me with the rest of your nonsense.

                That I have black friends garbage is about as valid as a woman hater justifying his behavior by claiming he has a wife. Your people have fertilized the soil with our blood and the generation coming up will not be asking for it. You will see it unfold in your o lifetime. The word is out.

                • susan

                  In another speech, that can also easily be found online, MLK said this;

                  “Do you know that Negroes are 10 percent of the population of St. Louis and are responsible for 58% of its crimes? We’ve got to face that. And we’ve got to do something about our moral standards,” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. told a congregation in 1961. “We know that there are many things wrong in the white world, but there are many things wrong in the black world, too. We can’t keep on blaming the white man. There are things we must do for ourselves.”

                  • Piping White Hoes

                    When someone argues with the word “wrong” several times, it’s pretty much a given that, at the very least, a consultation with a shrink is needed. Oh yeah, and…

                    Wait for it…

                    Wrong.

                    • susan

                      I wasn’t arguing. I just posted a quote by MLK. You are not the only one on this site so if you say something that is, you know, “wrong”, I prefer to provide actual evidence to support my statements.

                      • Piping White Hoes

                        You’re too much lady. Please move on with your life.

              • Piping White Hoes

                Furthermore, if you have trouble competing with 12% of the population, that’s a YOU problem. Research validates my statement that affirmative action PRIMARILY benefits white women.

                • Jennifer

                  Plenty of whites are competing with 12% that has had trillions in aid spent on them, along with other minorities, plus folks that have the money to go to college without having to work their way through. Typical, attack someone that never did squat to you because they’re white or they dare give opposing views. With all the money thrown down the “social services” rabbit hole, every black and every other minority should be millionaires by now! If you claim affirmative action only helps white women then your research is badly flawed. As far as ghettos, why are there ghettos? Because blacks segregate themselves and dare whites to step into their neighborhoods. Anything that the country might have “owed” you has long been paid, thousands of times over, with TRILLIONS in aid. We’d have come out way cheaper giving you only that 40 acres and a mule. But remember, not every black person in the US is descended from slaves, not every white person descended from slave owners, When you get ready for the truth, research that! Most of your post made no sense, but that’s nothing new. Just give you things and don’t ask for you to make sense or do anything productive, and oh yes, respect you. Sorry, I don’t have respect for folks that have no respect or pride for themselves and are willing to be “kept” on Uncle Sam’s plantation. Enjoy your twisted racist life. I’m above it and I have other, better, things to do then toss blacks a pity party.

              • Piping White Hoes

                UN committee urges US government to pay reparations for slavery
                Published time: 1 Feb, 2016 22:43

                A United Nations panel of human rights activists has urged the United States’ government to pay reparations to the descendants of Africans who were brought to the US as slaves. The committee blamed slavery for the plight of African-Americans today.

                The UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent’s preliminary report follows a year of aggravated racial tensions in the United States that saw the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, whose members rally against the deaths of unarmed black men like Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

                Mireille Fanon Mendes-France, the chairwoman of the committee, drew parallels between the police killings in the United States and racist lynchings that occurred in the South until the civil rights era.

                “Contemporary police killings and the trauma it creates are reminiscent of the racial terror lynchings in the past,” Mendes-France told reporters. “Impunity for state violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency.”

                The committee released its preliminary recommendations on Friday after an 11-day fact-finding mission in the US, meeting with black Americans and others in different cities across the country.

                Speaking at a press conference in Washington, DC, the group said that Congress should pass the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act, establish a national human rights commission and publicly acknowledge that the Atlantic slave trade was a crime against humanity.

                Mendes-France, who is the daughter of leading black intellectual Frantz Fanon, said that the group was “extremely concerned about the human rights situation of African-Americans,” according to AP.

                “The colonial history, the legacy of enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the U.S. remains a serious challenge as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent,” she continued.

                While reparations are often envisioned in the United States as individual payments of cash, Mendes-France, a French woman, told Vice that she does not favor such a method. Instead, she recommended that the money be spent for the “full implementation of special programs based on education, socioeconomic, and environmental rights.”

                continued:

                https://www.rt.com/usa/330934-

                Told y’all…

            • Laurina Stapleton

              You are a moron. Have a nice day.

              • Piping White Hoes

                I must be at the top of the moron food chain then, because I live a good life in one of the best cities in the country. Not much we can do about your lack of beauty though. Your face looks like you use it to sand wood smooth.

              • Piping White Hoes

                UN committee urges US government to pay reparations for slavery
                Published time: 1 Feb, 2016 22:43

                A United Nations panel of human rights activists has urged the United States’ government to pay reparations to the descendants of Africans who were brought to the US as slaves. The committee blamed slavery for the plight of African-Americans today.

                The UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent’s preliminary report follows a year of aggravated racial tensions in the United States that saw the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, whose members rally against the deaths of unarmed black men like Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

                Mireille Fanon Mendes-France, the chairwoman of the committee, drew parallels between the police killings in the United States and racist lynchings that occurred in the South until the civil rights era.

                “Contemporary police killings and the trauma it creates are reminiscent of the racial terror lynchings in the past,” Mendes-France told reporters. “Impunity for state violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency.”

                The committee released its preliminary recommendations on Friday after an 11-day fact-finding mission in the US, meeting with black Americans and others in different cities across the country.

                Speaking at a press conference in Washington, DC, the group said that Congress should pass the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act, establish a national human rights commission and publicly acknowledge that the Atlantic slave trade was a crime against humanity.

                Mendes-France, who is the daughter of leading black intellectual Frantz Fanon, said that the group was “extremely concerned about the human rights situation of African-Americans,” according to AP.

                “The colonial history, the legacy of enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the U.S. remains a serious challenge as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent,” she continued.

                While reparations are often envisioned in the United States as individual payments of cash, Mendes-France, a French woman, told Vice that she does not favor such a method. Instead, she recommended that the money be spent for the “full implementation of special programs based on education, socioeconomic, and environmental rights.”

                continued:

                https://www.rt.com/usa/330934-

                Coming soon.

            • mike2000917

              Yep, a race riot 100 years ago in Tulsa, Oklahoma set the black community back to where it is today. Also, those drugs, wait for it, were brought in by the CIA to keep the brothers down. The problem with some in the community is their failure to take responsibility for their own actions and a garbage culture that spits on education.

              • Piping White Hoes

                Riiiiiiiiiight. You sound extremely stupid. Like black folks just created a “garbage culture” with no help from being discouraged to advance economically and socially all these years. *sarcasm* We swam over here and were granted equal rights from the start. We did free work to give white culture the upper hand freely and built the foundation of this country’s wealth out of a loving relationship with slave owners.

                African culture, the garbage you speak of, set the world stage. It’s where science and math came from. But I guess the same intelligent people that built this country just suddenly became dumb out of nowhere. Had nothing to do with the discouragement of education, the segregation, the violence, inequities, etc. It “just happened”. What blame should white people assume for destroying our true culture? None?

                I hope everything bad in life happens to you and just you. No one else.

                • susan

                  Your story is old and tired and mostly lies. Hundreds of years ago Africans were sold into slavery by black Africans. If you want to blame someone for destroying your “true culture”, then blame the slave owners that sold the slaves. If the slaves hadn’t ended up here they would have ended up somewhere else. If anyone misses that true culture they are free to return to it. I don’t see very many doing that.

                  If you have the great life that you claim that you have, then go live it. No one cares who you blame anymore as none of us were alive at that time. In case you haven’t noticed, most black people today are doing very well. They are Dr.’s and lawyers and judges and even POTUS. The few that want to sit around and whine about things that happened hundreds of years ago are wasting their time. If you have a problem with the discouragement of education then do something about it. Black cities are run by black citizens and yet they don’t seem to be doing any better. Yet again, you choose not to blame the black people that are causing the problems.

                  Life is whatever you make of it.

                  • Piping White Hoes

                    I’m living my great life as I type this. Watching a movie on a huge tv with my daughters in my living room on one of my plush sofas. Enjoying a 4 day weekend. Return to it? We didn’t swim over here. We’ll need the descendants of those that brought us here to finance that. Otherwise, I’ll be here annoying your dwindling genetically recessive/inferior race until our men have planted enough of our seeds to bring balance back to this planet. White people are the world minority and your days are numbered. It’s just a matter of time. None of the planned parenthoods, poisoned food and water or drugs could finish us off. We’ll be here long after white people disappear.

                    • susan

                      If you think that Africa is such a great place to live then all it takes is a plane ticket and you can go there. I’m sure that there are a few racists out there that would be more than happy to fund your way back, IF that is what you really want. Is it?

                      As for those that brought you here, they have no obligation to finance your way back. (And let’s not forget, again, that they are all long ago, dead.) It is again, those that sold the slaves, NOT those that purchased them, that owe you whatever it is that you think that you are owed. I’ve noticed that you keep choosing to ignore that fact because it doesn’t fit into your blame everything on whitey agenda. It is the AFRICANS that enslaved other Africans. Whatever happened after that was on THEIR hands. Those slaves were the personal property of the African slave owners and they chose the fate of where each slave went. THEY chose which slaves would remain in Africa and which would be sold.

                      There are many black people that have no interest or connection to Africa whatsoever. Like me, they have no interest in whatever heritage that they came from. They live in the here and now.

                      You are not annoying me in any way. You are a very small minority and I kind of feel sorry for you because you are so filled with hatred. You are however, wasting your time. Most black people have moved on and are enjoying the good life. Many of them will tell you to get over yourself and get on with a good life.

                      As for blending the races, I say GOOD! I’m all for it and have been saying so for years. You seem to be oblivious to the fact that you are decreasing your own race by doing so but I’m just fine with that. It is my hope that eventually, all races will be so mixed and blended that there will no longer be any races, and therefore, no racism. Then we’ll just have to get rid of religion and we will all live happily ever after.

                      • Piping White Hoes

                        Swallow 8 inches and take a break from the keys. I’m good on going back and forth with you.

                      • susan

                        That’s the best that you can do? You never seem to have any factual responses when your lies are exposed. Personal attacks are Always the sign of a loser in any debate.

                        BTW, I was just thinking that as a woman, I have been oppressed by men all of my life. The last time that I checked, men are STILL being paid more than women for the exact same job. I want some reparations too.

                        My gender has been enslaved, denied the right to vote, to own property or get an education, to hold a political office or have sexual reproduction rights. Women have been denied credit, fair housing, positions of leadership in churches and legal representation. Your gender should have to pay me for all of those losses. Start saving up now. I want some money for all of my suffering.

                      • Piping White Hoes

                        UN committee urges US government to pay reparations for slavery
                        Published time: 1 Feb, 2016 22:43

                        A United Nations panel of human rights activists has urged the United States’ government to pay reparations to the descendants of Africans who were brought to the US as slaves. The committee blamed slavery for the plight of African-Americans today.

                        The UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent’s preliminary report follows a year of aggravated racial tensions in the United States that saw the rise of the Black Lives Matter movement, whose members rally against the deaths of unarmed black men like Eric Garner and Michael Brown.

                        Mireille Fanon Mendes-France, the chairwoman of the committee, drew parallels between the police killings in the United States and racist lynchings that occurred in the South until the civil rights era.

                        “Contemporary police killings and the trauma it creates are reminiscent of the racial terror lynchings in the past,” Mendes-France told reporters. “Impunity for state violence has resulted in the current human rights crisis and must be addressed as a matter of urgency.”

                        The committee released its preliminary recommendations on Friday after an 11-day fact-finding mission in the US, meeting with black Americans and others in different cities across the country.

                        Speaking at a press conference in Washington, DC, the group said that Congress should pass the Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act, establish a national human rights commission and publicly acknowledge that the Atlantic slave trade was a crime against humanity.

                        Mendes-France, who is the daughter of leading black intellectual Frantz Fanon, said that the group was “extremely concerned about the human rights situation of African-Americans,” according to AP.

                        “The colonial history, the legacy of enslavement, racial subordination and segregation, racial terrorism and racial inequality in the U.S. remains a serious challenge as there has been no real commitment to reparations and to truth and reconciliation for people of African descent,” she continued.

                        While reparations are often envisioned in the United States as individual payments of cash, Mendes-France, a French woman, told Vice that she does not favor such a method. Instead, she recommended that the money be spent for the “full implementation of special programs based on education, socioeconomic, and environmental rights.”

                        continued:

                        https://www.rt.com/usa/330934-

                        It’s coming…

                      • SickOfExcuses

                        That guy doesn’t want the races blended, he’s just saying all of that crap to try and make it seem as though only the whites are racist when, in fact, many whites and blacks are racist and you know what? You are NOT going to change that! The more we keep focusing on this just makes it worse. Since Obama has been in office, the racial issues have only gotten worse.

                    • Mike From Indiana.

                      Inferior race? Not often you hear white people saying such racist things? There is no inferior race. We are humans, we are as good as our will to succeed.
                      You my dear are a racist pile of trash, the worst kind of person. I’d say that no matter what color you were. No one owned you, or your parents, or your grandparents, this country has only given you opportunity as long as you can remember.
                      It’s wild the majority of real racists I see online these days aren’t white racists.
                      Unless facts are racist.

                  • Piping White Hoes

                    Fyi when you see a black man/woman at the office smiling in your face, just know that we are as fake with you as you are with us. We think you’re lame and your “culture”is bullshit… stolen and pieced together. But carry on thinking you’re fooling anyone. Most of us are awake at this point.

                    • susan

                      Except for the fact that I’m not fake. I want you to have a great life. I really do. Why would I not want that for anyone? If your life was miserable then would my life be better?

                      Further, I don’t really care one bit if you think that my culture is bullshit. I don’t even feel that I have a culture, as you mean it. Most every culture is stolen and pieced together. So what? Who cares? I’m just fine with that. I have mixed European ancestry and I have never once given a thought to that heritage. It means nothing to me. Just more ways to divide people rather than bring them together.

                      I try to live my life in peace and harmony and if I can do something to help someone else live that way too, then I will. I have no need or interest to fool anyone. I started out in life as what some would call a “hippie”. You know, Peace and Love and all that good stuff. If I die tomorrow, well, stuff happens. Not everything in life is under our control.

                      Most all of us are awake at this point. Except for a few nutcases, most of us know that the way to survive is for everyone to work together to make the best life that we can. The black people that I know aren’t much different than the white people or any other race. We’re all pretty much trying to provide a good life for our children.

                    • Mike From Indiana.

                      Are you serious? I’ve never thought I’ll of anyone without knowing them. I would never be fake to you, I would treat you with the respect that every person deserves. its content of character, not color of skin.
                      That post tells me YOU are the racist.
                      If you ever took the SAT, you would know that you are spotted 200 points, Asians lose 50. Why is that? It’s not because you’re dumb, it’s the guilt that is felt by people who had absolutely nothing to do with the things you’re complaining about, it’s a way to give you a leg up, to make things right.
                      Remember only 1-2% of Americans owned slaves, and some of them were black.
                      There were plenty of white slaves as well, except they were more likely to die as they were less valuable. Those Irish slaves have managed to settle in ok.
                      Remember the Jews? They were killed by the millions not that long ago, they are thriving in this racist society.
                      How about the Japanese? We interned them in concentration camps, took all their belongings, their wealth, did you know that?

                    • Dee

                      Preach

                  • SickOfExcuses

                    Susan, you’re wasting your breath! You cannot open a CLOSED mind!

              • Piping White Hoes

                Funny… This coming from a white person that still celebrates the 4th of July which happened more than 100 years ago. Your people are idiots.

            • Nothing But The Truth

              Wow, impressive response. Unfortunately everything you pointed out will be discounted by the mind-numbingly stupid white racists posting on here..

              • SickOfExcuses

                LMAO

          • susan

            There is lots to say. If you commit more crime, then you are going to be killed more by the police. Also, if you are so concerned about black lives, why are you not upset about the thousands and thousands of black people being killed in the inner cities every day, by othe black people? FAR more black people are being killed by other black people, and oddly, no one seems to care about those black lives at all.

            • fxrsniper

              My point exactly

            • knazbeatz
              • Max

                You don’t understand math and percentages. Go read a book…i wont wait.

            • SickOfExcuses

              The reason they don’t care about the black on black killing is because that wouldn’t support their theory about all of this. The bottom line is that if you aren’t a criminal then you won’t get treated as one! I was married to a police officer who would tell me that you have good cops and you have bad cops. Just like you have bad blacks and good blacks. Just like you have good whites and bad whites. So STOP STEREOTYPING IF YOU DON’T LIKE BEING STEREOTYPED.

        • susan

          And were they killed by black police officers or white police officers?

        • Mike From Indiana.

          Apply that same math to murder rates, rape, robbery, assault, and all the other violent crime and get back to me. The number that is killed by police is actually at a rate lower than their share of the crime. Is that because the cop knows he will be all over the news if he shoots a black guy? If you shoot a white guy no one will say a word, it’s madness. I think both matter immensely. No one should waste their life, this is the greatest place in the world to work your way from nothing if you really want to, don’t waste the opportunity.
          And don’t buy into the race to the top of the victim hood pyramid. The one at the top wants to kill us all anyhow (Islamists).

      • Crop boy

        Whats ur FB

    • Bat Man

      Of people killed by police that time frame, what was the white to black ratio?

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    • steph dunn

      These comments are sad. North Korea don’t have to threaten extermination because we are choosing to do it for them. With this silent war in the US weakens the foundation every day. I am American part of a country that is a rainbow of colors. But as always man finds a way to destroy what they can’t see is a beautiful thing. So we wait till the earth beneath us crumble and we all fall

    • Aaron Winterhalter

      I fail to see what race or profiling races has to do with this. This is a clear case of police brutality and police exceeding their authority. These people take on these jobs, knowing they are putting themselves in potential danger. They swear to protect and serve, and they know it is a high risk job going in. They are never tricked, and no one is ever forced to become a member of law enforcement. The danger level of the job is not an excuse to shoot someone, abuse someone, taiser someone , or choke someone. Lethal force should only be used as a very last resort. No I have never personally been in a high pressure situation like that, in fear for my life, and wondering if I should pull the trigger or not, so I do not know what these men and women go through emotionally. That is exactly why police departments need to not only standardize training over all agencies, but also have much tougher training programs, with heavy focus on psychology. Someone like me could take 2 semesters of community college, go through a fast food police academy ( some agencies do not even require Police Academy training) and the next thing you know I am out on the streets dealing with these intense situations with very little training or knowledge, and a gun strapped to my hip. Police need better training, and regular psychiatric evaluations to do their jobs properly. Most get neither.

      Police are private sector, and yet they are running around with military grade weapons, holding pregnant women at gun point. Why are we talking about this like is a race issue? There are cops of all races, and there are plenty of white people that get killed by police every year too. Racism in this country barely exists anymore but the idea of it is fueled by the media that is trying to create a race war. I personally have witnessed very little racism in my life, but I have seen just was much racism against white people as any other race. To me this is not a race issue. From this article we can see that :

      “A total 385 white people have been killed by police this year”

      so what this really comes down to an issue of police going way beyond what they are legally allowed to do.

      The police have made this country bad enough without white and black people arguing over who commits more crimes, and what types of crimes those are. Criminal behavior is not built into a skin color. Some criminals
      are born, but most become them out of desperation. Desperation created by a system that is designed to keep people of ALL races and color down, and keeping people fearful of agencies that are supposed to be working for us, and protecting us. These are the same agencies want us to keep arguing with each other over things like race, so the people in power go unchallenged because we are to preoccupied engaging in media created stereotyping.

      It’s all a magic, being distracted the left hand… so you don’t see the right hitting you over the head.

      • the_lion

        “Police are private sector” … duh… city, county, state Government employees not private… Just out of curiosity who do you call in case there is a crime in progress?

        • Aaron Winterhalter

          I think you clearly missed the point, probably do to not fully understanding my point about private sector. I was not trying to say “hey guys police are private sector” in a way that assumed people do not know that. Of course people know that, my point is, the police department from county to county do not have any standardized guidelines on training or regulations on what is necessary to be able to serve in law enforcement.

          This is clearly an area that needs to be regulated considering someone could in theory be hired on as a police officer without ever having any formal police training in 1 county, while in the neighboring county an officer must attend a 6 month training program to be eligible. Yet,both are given the same authority and power. This clearly makes no sense, and should be regulated by the united states government with mandatory minimal training to be eligible for law enforcement, with each state having to adhere to the minimum set forth by the government, while being able to add additional training or regulations base on the state. For example in Arkansas and Indiana you can become a cop if you know someone in the department, there is no enforced state enforced training, with some cases of police officers on the streets with firearms, barely having 10 hours of handgun training and no police academy training at all.

          In taking part in a discussion , you may want to limit the use of words like: “duh” if you want anyone to take you serious, and not just think of you as a keyboard commando or a troll.

          • the_lion

            For your edification.

            http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/states/arkansas/
            http://www.clest.org/Pages/default.aspx

            http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/states/indiana/
            http://www.in.gov/ilea/2330.htm

            http://www.how-to-become-a-police-officer.com/#states

            Prior to becoming a licensed law enforcement officer, candidates must complete an acedemy… you appear confused on requirements.

            And if you don’t want someone to remark ‘duh’ in reply to your comments… don’t write something that had no connection to what you meant… duh…

            • Aaron Winterhalter

              Again , I think you missed the point. The point is fairly obvious, stating that police need mandatory training is a very clear connection. And I actually never said I didn’t want someone posting the word duh. You clearly have an English comprehension problem… go ahead.. get the last word, I know people like you have to have them…

              Why should anyone that works for a private organization be allowed to carry military grade weapons, and drive heavily modified vehicles with no enforced regulation?

              http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/23/small-police-departments-standards-training/28823849/ ” Nearly three-quarters of agencies have fewer than 25 officers patrolling counties and towns where standards are uneven or non-existent.”

              http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/05/police_training_in_arkansas_and_indiana_you_can_become_a_cop_without_any.html
              “admitted in an interview the week after Wallace’s death, Cummings had not yet received any training or certification from the state. She was not scheduled to attend the police academy until the following year.”

              Just because police are not classified as private sector, does not mean they are not. Police department very much fall into this definition:

              ” The private sector is the part of the economy, sometimes referred to as the citizen sector, which is run by private individuals or groups, usually as a means of enterprise for profit, and is not controlled by the State ”

              Just because police department are not classified as private does not mean it is not true. Of course it is, police departments are a business, regulated not even by county, but by town. You can believe what you want.

              Okay go for it, prove me wrong again. I know you can not resit. Before you do, I suggest you take an English class where you may learn to read what people write and actually try to comprehend it as a body of text, rather than picking out 1 sentence, latching on to it, so you can wage your war or pointlessness.

      • BluePotion

        Well let’s all do their job before we can predict what it is like. After all isn’t that what we want from them? IE: I am a brutal thief because I was raised in a bad neighborhood and it’s near impossible for me not to steal. So the cops should understand that and go easy on me. OR I am a white affluenza kid so the punishment should be less since I am a selfish idiot. And so on.

    • TK

      Yeah, leave out the part about how black men—6.5% of the American population—statistically commit half or more all murders in the USA yearly.

      • the blackman

        prove it b*tch! last time i checked it was good ol whitey shooting up schools and killing their families! i guess you forgot about that though you dumb motherf*cker.

        • TK

          Thanks for asking! The most comprehensive document that covers these stats is the FBI’s “Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008.” It’s easy to find online. On page 12 of the PDF, it shows that over that long 28-year stretch, blacks committed 52.5% of all murders in the USA. The stats are similar for every year since 2008, too! Again—thanks for giving me the chance to PROVE it!

          By the way, it’s also easy to search the correlation between race and IQ online, too. The average black IQ in America is a pathetic 85. That’s only 10 points above the official cutoff line for “retarded.” It’s an even more pathetic 70 in sub-Saharan Africa. Careful calling people “dumb,” because tests can PROVE who the real dumb ones are. That must be why every majority-black country on Earth resembles Haiti.

          • the blackman

            See, you represent the typical afraid of being wiped out white man. Yor race is dwindling because your mothers sisters daughters aunts cousins and friends choose to f*ck men of color. You need a stat for that? Yall are the worlds most notorious thief, and as far as iq goes, show me in history the white man who built pyramids, created classical music, had major influence in art, science and education, and when you find it, i’ll show you…another thief! Dont get mad because your pineal gland is small! Bow down to the king and this melanin that you wish you had!

            • TK

              Hahaha! Cowardly baboon can’t even admit I clowned him with facts! Keep typing away on the computer the white man invented, you dumb ape. Keep watching the TV the white man invented. Keep using a written language the white man invented. Written languages never even EXISTED south of the Sahara where your low-IQ peeps hail from.

              Trust me, very few people envy your stupidity and lack of success. The truth is that black people live longer and enjoy a higher standard of living in WHITE countries than they do in BLACK ones. Ouch!

              Don’t get mad because your brain is small!

              Average white brain: 1,347 cubic centimeters.
              Average black brain: 1,267 cubic centimeters.

              I understand that shame is what fuels your rage. I’d be ashamed, too, if all my people invented was peanut butter.

              • the blackman
                • TK

                  So one mulatto invented one-third of the patents for one IBM PC in the freaking 1980s. Too bad there were computers way before that, all of them invented by white men. You’re making this too easy!

                • Ryan

                  Well I am a Indian and and I am of brown color..i must admit while I see white people doing maximum for science philantherapy environment all I see blacks doing is crime drugs murder and rap songs or hitting someone of their small size. And u can’t blame me for biasness because I am myself brown …I think instead of blaming whites and eating on their taxes blacks should do more for science and technology …blame game is never good.

              • the blackman

                if you take the time to read, you will learn and know that a black man invited the computer and the internet…. BOY!

                • johnsopinion

                  Your so full of crap, we all know AL Gore created the internet and he’s white as a ghost.

                  • the blackman

                    Prove that he created it! If you have no proof, then shut the f*ck up and mind your business old man! I’ve provided the proof already, you cant read?

                • Icey Kolde

                  Hahahahah whatever makes you feel better about being a savage. History and patents are well documented and no blacks had anything to do with computers or binary code. Keep on trying.

              • the blackman

                READ SOME MORE!

              • the blackman
              • the blackman

                The greeks were civilized by AFRICANS. They passed it on to the romans and guess what happened? the romans couldn’t comprehend the teachings and as a result, sparked the beginning of the dark ages which lasted for 500 years. Bow down BOY!

                • TK

                  Hi, you imbecile! In 1975, DNA tests were performed on the mummy of Egyptian King Ramesses II. It revealed him to be “a fair-skinned person with wavy ginger hair.” You lose again. Now get down on your knees like a good chimp and shine my shoes.

                • Jesus Esus

                  Why can’t y’all be civilized in da hood? Cuz dat almighty paper chase drives da gorillas insane word

                • Toetsenbordsoldaat

                  Too bad they didn’t have the chance to introduce you into civilization.

                • Icey Kolde

                  What age is africa in now? Because it seems they have been in the dark ages since the time of the pyramids. Get back to me when you’d prwffer living in a black nation instead of america mister black man.

                  • the blackman

                    You want the blackman’s attention? Do you feel dignified by me responding? You ask questions about the birthplace of civilization as if you dont already know the answer. My my, tsk tsk, smh. What little mind you have. Go figure out how to remove the calcium covering from your pineal gland so that it will work properly and you could then be able to think on a higher level. Once you do that, you can then come and receive teachings from me and retain the knowledge. You are part of a rapidly declining race of people. You are recessive and weak, while the blackman has the ability to remain powerful and keep producing around the world….people of color! I laugh at your misery! Lololol!!

                    • Icey Kolde

                      Lmao I’m not even white, but your comments prove you’re just a racist idiot . Afrocentrists have nothing but lies to teach with no scientific or acredited proof of their delusional claims.

                      • the blackman

                        Acknowledging that you are a person of color only heightens your perpetual satisfaction in the state of ignorance! Which further disqualifies you from getting anymore responses from the blackman! You bought into bullsh*t and happy about it! Slime!

                      • susan

                        Martin Luther King was a person of color and he himself said that the amount of crime among black people was disproportionate to the population and that this issue would have to be addressed. Does he heighten your perpetual state of ignorance?

                      • the blackman

                        Yall always try to quote Martin in a vain attempt to prove another black man wrong. Get ya sh*t together. There was no where near more crime committed by blacks against blacks during martin luther kings run in the 60’s than the crime committed against blacks by lynch mobs, the police, the government, and the kkk. You support j. Edgar hoover, cointelpro, and David duke, so F*ck you! All the evil and devilish acts committed by wicked white men and women against black men, women and children. Your people bomb churches and kill innocent people, the say that youre christians!

                      • susan

                        Yet again, you are living in the past. There have not been any lynch mobs in decades. Not in my lifetime for sure, and very likely, not in your lifetime. Are you saying that MLK was lying? Provide statistics to back up your point. I don’t actually know if there was more crime committed by blacks against blacks at that time. I am just listening to what MLK actually said, that black crime was out of proportion to the population. Whether the crime was committed against blacks or whites I don’t know and I don’t think that it matters. Crime is crime. If you commit a crime against any person then you should be in jail. Period. Is it ok with you if those out of proportion crimes were committed against other black people?

                        MartinLK did not specify. The point was that blacks were committing crimes out of proportion to the level of population. Even today, his descendants are making the same argument. Black people are speaking out against your excuses in record numbers so if you want to blame someone, blame them.

                        Lynch moms are gone forever, and good riddance, at best. They should have all been executed, but that was before my time, and yours. The KKK is also pretty much obsolete. If they exist at all they are mostly ashamed to show their face, as they always were. Why else did they hide behind their pathetic sheets?

                        For the record, I would NEVER, EVER support David Duke or anyone else that is racist. I have NEVER, EVER bombed a church and in FACT, I would call for the swift execution of anyone who ever committed such an atrocity. Further, I would never align myself with any christians whose holy book called for the beating of slaves, and that christian book does. Gather your facts and come back with something real. You seem to forget the FACT that there were white people that died because they stood up to defend black people against racism, in a time when it was not popular to do so.

                        You are so far off base that you cannot even see it. You are blinded by your own hatred, that far exceeds anything that I could imagine. My very best friend is a black woman and my next best friend is bi-racial. Our children have grown up all together, black, white and mixed race, and none of them even know the difference. The world at large is moving on in peace and love, for the most part. There are a few that seem to want to wallow in the mire and whine about it.

                        I honestly do feel sorry for you. I do understand that black people were treated very badly in this country for many years. I cannot undo the wrongs of the past. I have supported affirmative action and laws that are against unfair housing and discrimination. I can now do whatever is possible to help make up for the atrocities that were committed before my time, and I do that.

                        What I cannot do is to pull you out of the fog of the past. All around me I see black people succeeding, going to college and opening their own businesses and buying their own homes. And when they succeed, if you will not champion their successes then you are part of the problem. You will call them “Uncle Tom’s” and other nasty names, and then proceed to blame me for what you have done.

                        Knock yourself out with all of that nonsense. How is that working for you?

                    • susan

                      Things were so great in Africa that the Africans, NOT the white man, were selling off all of the Africans into slavery. While you waste all of your time hating the big bad white man you might want to notice that things aren’t all that great in Africa. If it were, everyone would be wanting to go live there. In FACT, the slave trade was once very big business worldwide and in FACT, people of ALL races were bought and sold into slavery as common practice. In FACT, Americans not only owned VERY FEW slaves, ever. Some 2 – 4% of Americans ever owned slaves. IN ADDITION, that practice itself was very short lived as it was that big bad American white man that you so love to hate that began the END of slavery worldwide.

                      Slavery is still going on in Africa so I would suggest that those who were brought here as slaves are much better off than if they had stayed in Africa. Ask your black friends and relatives if they would like to return to their homeland or stay here. Seriously. Would you prefer to live in America or Africa?

                      Yes, civilization likely did begin in Africa, which means, well, pretty much nothing at all. Reproducing in large amounts also means, well, pretty much, nothing at all. Any idiot can reproduce. In fact, intelligent people make the CHOICE not to have more children than they can provide a good life for, so that they do not grow up in poverty.

                      If you are killing each other off at a faster rate than you are reproducing, some people just call that population control.

                  • the blackman

                    Get back to you for what? You mean nothing to me. You are simple and basic, ordinary and plain. There’s nothing exciting nor interesting about you and you want me to get at you? F*ck outta here with that nonsense! You cant teach what you dont know, and since you know nothing, you have nothing to offer. You can only comprehend what you see on tv. Deep thinking, problem solving, and retaining information is not your thing, Peon!

                • susan

                  So what does that mean today? You know, right now? 500 years ago Africans created something. Ok. Do it again. You have this great intelligence, DO SOMETHING WITH IT NOW.

              • chaka

                http://weallbe.blogspot.com/2007/10/black-man-invented-pc-as-we-know-it.html?m=1 And this article doesn’t even mention that it was a black man who created the binary code that runs computers!!! A code by the way that came.from an African mathematics system!!!! So much for what the WHITE man created; like the man said you stole everything that wasn’t nailed down and CLAIMED it for your self!!!

                • TK

                  Nice idiotic site you link to, dummy.

                  1) We didn’t steal anything.
                  2) Even in your false scenario, why were you so stupid that you didn’t nail anything down and EVERYTHING got stolen? Did white people also steal your brains so that they are 80CC larger than black brains on average?

                  Either way, it makes you look as stupid as all the tests prove that you are. You are resoundingly dumb and come from the most embarrassingly dumb race on Earth.

                  By the way, why do black people live longer and have a better standard of living in white countries than they do in black countries?

                • the blackman

                  His mind too small to comprehend chaka. Dont waste your time on this pig!

                  • susan

                    If you have a correction please post it.

                    • the blackman

                      Post it for what? To try and convince your small mind which lacks the ability to comprehend simple facts? F*ck you! I have nothing to prove to you. You’re not on my level. Impossible for you to ever be! I’d rather watch grass grow than to try to convince and teach willfully ignorant people the facts of life.

                      • susan

                        Lots of drama and emotion there, but no substance. So far, nothing even resembling simple facts.

                        No. I am not on your level, as I’d have to lower myself to get down to that level. When you uplift yourself to an intelligent conversation then I’ll be waiting to provide facts and evidence.

                • Icey Kolde

                  The modern binary number system, the basis for binary code, was discovered by Gottfried Leibniz in 1679 and appears in his article Explication de l’Arithmétique Binaire. The full title is translated into English as the “Explanation of the binary arithmetic”, which uses only the characters 1 and 0, with some remarks on its usefulness, and on the light it throws on the ancient Chinese figures of Fu Xi.”[1] (1703). Leibniz’s system uses 0 and 1, like the modern binary numeral system. Leibniz encountered the I Ching through French Jesuit Joachim Bouvet and noted with fascination how its hexagrams correspond to the binary numbers from 0 to 111111, and concluded that this mapping was evidence of major Chinese accomplishments in the sort of philosophical mathematics he admired.[2][3] Leibniz saw the hexagrams as an affirmation of the universality of his own religious beliefs.[3]

                  Binary numerals were central to Leibniz’s theology. He believed that binary numbers were symbolic of the Christian idea of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.[4] Leibniz was trying to find a system that converts logic’s verbal statements into a pure mathematical one. After his ideas were ignored, he came across a classic Chinese text called I Ching or ‘Book of Changes’, which used a type of binary code. The book had confirmed his theory that life could be simplified or reduced down to a series of straightforward propositions. He created a system consisting of rows of zeros and ones. During this time period, Leibniz had not yet found a use for this system.[5]

                  Binary systems predating Leibniz also existed in the ancient world. The aforementioned I Ching that Leibniz encountered dates from the 9th century BC in China.[6] The binary system of the I Ching, a text for divination, is based on the duality of yin and yang.[7] Slit drums with binary tones are used to encode messages across Africa and Asia.[7] The Indian scholar Pingala (around 5th–2nd centuries BC) developed a binary system for describing prosody in his Chandashutram.[8][9]

                  Nope no black mem mentioned there stop making false claims. How come no computers or software are designed in africa? Pffffff buahhahahaha

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            • susan

              You do understand that if you are mixing with white people that means that race is dwindling down too, right? Your fathers, brothers, sons, uncles and cousins and friends choose to f*ck women of no color. Why is that? Maybe it’s a plot by the big bad white man to water down your genes.

        • susan

          In fact, it is black men that kill the MOST black men, so you might want to check again. Oddly enough, you don’t seem to be all that upset about the thousands and thousands of black men being killed every day by other black men, yet you make a big deal about a handful of black people that are killed by police each year. You just keeping thinking that and no one will ever be bowing down to you. You’re killing each other off in record numbers and then trying to blame others. Good luck with that. It doesn’t seem to be working very well for you.

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    • Fredabdal Ghaffar

      Reconize the American Holocaust; “culling the Herd” premeditated and orchestrated destruction of entire American families (Beyond Cointelpro Assassinations) for political and personal gains according to National Whistleblower Allen Carlton Jr.(OSC MA 93 1872, USSC 99-565+supplement/US Court of Appeals Fifth Circuit 99-10108 Government Collusion / BeyondCointelpro Assassinations).

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    • Matt Dial

      Can’t cherrypick percentages of the population with a national population of over 300 million people, and less than 1,000 deaths as a sample size. The percentage should be of the population of the city the shootings took place in. That allows for much more accurate statistics.

      • Brazen

        But statistics don’t tell the whole story! It might just be that a higher percentage of them are criminals, or not, so unless this is factored in “lies, damn lies, and statistics’ could be true!

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    • Dj Rubicon

      Good! It’s not enough. Every afro should be gunned down on site. Remove these afro’s ! Keep it up, coppers, we got your back! afro’s will be exterminated!

      • Sarah Tromlbey

        Fake.

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    • SeaNote

      American police are going to have to slaughter more people faster if they want to keep up with the Arab Muslims.

      • Thomas Ashez

        NO. WRONG.

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    • mattzcat

      When responding to calls in predominantly black neighborhoods, police have to take control of the situation much more quickly, before the rioters can begin gathering. White neighborhoods are typically less densely populated and do not tolerate the lawlessness, prostitution, and gang activity that is rampant in most black neighborhoods. White people seldom riot or attack law officers. To some extent, black people have brought this upon themselves.

      • nini bell

        You are an idiot! Your parents failed you. Black people have been beaten, killed,and tortured from day one. Please do not forget slavery nor the lack of civil-rights given to black people. How about you live as a black person for one day and see the struggle that comes with being a black person. Your comment steams from ignorance and anger. You are the worst kind of racist because you have no heart. God please bless this person…

        • mattzcat

          My parents raised a child who can debate with name calling and other ad hominems. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. When the blacks started voting democrat, they threw the chains right back on themselves. How about if you live as any color police officer for a day and see what it is like to enter into the “projects” or an inner city dive bar ? If black people would police themselves, others wouldn’t have to.

          Maybe then, property wouldn’t be so dramatically devalued when they move next door. I didn’t make that rule either.

          • nini bell

            Smh.. You’re pathetic. I feel sorry for you.

            • mattzcat

              Sometimes, no other word can be used to describe reality. When it started encroaching on me, in Lorain, OH, I moved to a nicer set of demographics.

              • nini bell

                Never argue with stupid people, they will only drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
                Good day.

          • Jon Q Public

            You sir… are absolutely right! Well said. I love when racists call people racist.

        • TK

          Please don’t forget that slavery still exists in Africa. Please ALSO don’t forget that blacks have it better here than anywhere in your prehistoric motherland.

      • the blackman

        f*ck you

        • mattzcat

          “F^ck me?” I have lived at my current address for over 10 years and have only seen 2 police (sheriff) cars on my street. I have left my doors unlocked or opened for days on end and have never had my property stolen or molested.

          Most of the black people who were killed by hurricane Katrina, died because they were afraid to take their eyes off of the few possessions that they had.

          When you walk up to an ATM, are you looking over your shoulder for cops or elderly Caucasians like myself ?

          • the blackman

            First of all, there are only 250 in the town you live in, or village for that matter, and that’s why you’ve seen 2 cops…..because it a 2 cop police dept. You obviously have a few yard animals because you said none of you property was “molested”. It’s obvious, you f*ck your animals and since your closest neighbor is 5 miles away, you’ll never get caught. also, with your old white a**, what the f*ck are you doing on a predominately black website? Instead of getting on here tomorrow, ride into town and get some penicillin cause last night, you gave your goat gonorrhea

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    • 82nd AA

      Yet another incredibly biased piece of propaganda. They present data they don’t like, then dispute their very own findings with illogical conclusions.

      As previously mentioned, they claim LEO’s kill more blacks per capita than whites, but fail to mention there are statistically more black criminals than whites. If they’re going to compare anything, it should be how many killed per criminal of any given race. Personally, race isn’t even an issue; they just want to make it an issue. Sorry, but I’m not drinking their Kool-Aid.

      Even the title is grossly biased: “776 People Killed By Police So Far in 2015, 161 Of Them Unarmed. But, just 25 police officers have died from firearms-related violence in the same period.”

      GOOD!

      That means the law enforcement officers are better trained than the criminal element! Yet, they want to sway the reader into thinking the numbers should be more “equitable”.

      I hate all press-titutes.

      • Roko Zuzi

        You’re right

      • Gil Morales

        they also point out that 76 of the 161 were unarmed so out of the population of 314,000,000 (taking the Police away) 76 unarmed (not non-dangerous or innocent) were shot by police and died and out of about 1,000,000 Officers 25 were killed so its statistically more dangerous for the Police. Then they say that logger and other jobs are more dangerous but when did a tree assassinate a logger all their deaths and injuries are accidental.

      • Sean Watson

        Um, you’re blasting their “propaganda” saying race isn’t even an issue while you’re doing it yourself, saying “there are statistically more black criminals than whites.” Even if that were true, (and you’ve given no evidence that it is), we know that African-Americans are more likely to be stopped by police, more likely to be arrested, more likely to get longer sentences than whites arrested for the same crimes, etc. so it follows that “criminality” among African-Americans is not a reliable statistic.

        Your logic also falters in your third paragraph when you mention 161 unarmed individuals were killed by police, but only 25 police officers. “GOOD! That means the law enforcement officers are better trained than the criminal element!” My question is, how do you know all 937 citizens killed by police were criminals? Tamir Rice was a twelve-year-old playing on a playground when he was shot just prior to 2015. It’s not just cops who are given the benefit of the doubt. We all should be since we’re innocent until proven guilty.

        Republican Senator Tim Scott is African-American and he just talked eloquently about being pulled over seven times in one year, about being followed from the mall through three turns and then pulled over because he forgot to signal pulling into his driveway, about being barred from events he was invited to because he was black, about the fact that virtually every black man in America, Congressman or not, could tell you similar stories.

        Until you’ve lived it yourself, you have no right to dismiss it out of hand.

        Oh, and “82nd AA,” the 82nd Airborne, itself, with one of the proudest and richest histories in the United States Army, has lost some of its luster because it’s had to be investigated for white supremacists in its ranks. But I suspect you knew that already. That’s another reason for you to not be so dismissive of racism. If you are or were a member, than you’re not representing it well with your attitude and making such claims easier to believe.

        • susan

          What everyone seems to be ignoring here is that there are unknown numbers of variables for any of these statistics. Racism is only one possibility and I have not seen any evidence to convince me that it is solely responsible for the deaths. For instance, you are more or less likely to be pulled over according to what kind of car that you drive, and what age you are. Young drivers have to pay higher auto insurance because they have more accidents. Is that ageism? I don’t know for sure but it is certainly at least one possibility that black people commit more crime. I’ve heard it said that most serial killers are white males. If that’s true, is that racism against whites or males?

          I’ve seen one study that suggested that black people are more open about their crimes, less likely to hide and fear police. IF that’s true, is that racist? Certainly Michael Brown didn’t seem at all concerned about walking out in the open after he had just robbed a store. If I had done that, I would have been hiding in the bushes or inside somewhere, worried that the police might be out looking for me. MB was not only out in the open but committing another crime, albeit a minor one of jaywalking. Then, when he was confronted by the officer he actually has the nerve to argue with him. I would have been shaking in my boots about being caught and immediately moved out of the street, hoping that the officer would just move on and not notice that I was the one that just robbed a store.

          I’ve noticed in many of these recent live videos that black people seem to be very openly hostile and combative to police. Could it be that this is the reason why they get arrested more? Are the majority of police shootings in the inner city, you know, where there tends to be a lot of crime, and also black people? Are there any studies on this? Or on the poverty or level of education of those that were shot? If you were to find that the vast majority of all shooting victims were poor, then it would be poverty, not race, that contributed to the statistics. And if more black people are poor, or openly hostile, then that is just a coincidence or their own behavior. What are the racial stats for those that were killed by police because they were resisting arrest? If you were to find that more white people resisted arrest but more black people were killed then that would indicate racism. If the opposite is true, then resisting arrest would be the contributing factor, not race.

          There are also different standards for determining sentencing. Whether you have committed a previous crime, do you go to school or have a good job, ties to the community, etc. Poor people don’t get the good lawyers, black or white.

          The majority of cases have been ruled as justified In the Michael Brown case, a black civil rights leader said that the jury got it right. It is NOT always about race.

          • Jonquil

            Thank you, Susan! That makes so much sense!

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    • tooptoop

      “However, activists like the members of the Black Lives Matter movement argue that police kill blacks at a rate disproportionate to their total percentage of the population — an assertion supported by The Guardian’s statistics.”
      …be serious…
      What is “disproportionate” is the percentage of crime commited by black people compared to their population…
      Concerning those “poor poor” black people, policemen are holding back the trigger much more than what they do when aiming at white criminals…
      No wonder this article wasn’t signed…not a decent journalist would wrote such a stupid analysis.

    • mrvegas68

      I see where loggers, roofers, farmers, etc seem to be more dangerous than being police officers. First, those are accidental deaths. Loggers, farmers, etc don’t have crazy people coming at them every day. They don’t face domestic violence on a daily basis, they don’t face people with guns or knives, and they don’t face mentally disturbed and violent people every day. Many cops go through their careers having never used their weapons, but they are trained to use then, which may account for the rate of safety that they have. So you can talk about statistics all you want, the fact is that cops have a dangerous job and I would defy any logger, roofer, farmer or anyone to do the job that cops do every day.

    • JoeD

      I love that you neglect to mention the fact that although blacks are killed at a rate disproportional to their total percentage of the population they DO in FACT commit violent crimes at a rate much higher than whites! It should not then be surprising that you’d find more blacks killed in areas where rates of black violent crime is high.
      Should we not also be screaming that men are killed at a rate disproportional to their total percentage of the population as compared to women or will you, of course, point out that men commit more violent crimes than women!? Jesus Christ.

    • Infamous_God

      If there is going to be equality the police need to shoot and kill more women 🙂

      • Dekota Rain

        Say now.

    • DaMFnMann

      Blacks killed by whites 2% in 2015

      Blacks killed by police 1% in 2015

      Blacks killed by blacks 97% in 2015

      Whites killed by police 3% in 2015

      Whites killed by whites 16% in 2015

      Whites killed by blacks 81% in 2015

      • Quest for Liberty

        source?

        • Jill Kimble

          Your source was from some bs post tweeted by Donald trump. Chakas source is from FBI crime stats. Whites kill whites at 84% blacks kill blacks at 90% not much difference.

          • TK

            There’s a huge difference if you have the merest understanding of statistics. Let’s go through it again…
            93% of blacks are killed by other blacks. So…16% of whites are killed by nonwhites, while only 7% of blacks are killed by nonblacks. So…16 divided by 7 equals a 228% disproportionality. Then when you factor in the fact that there are 5.5 times as many whites than blacks and multiply that by 2.28%, the mathematical reality regarding interracial murder is that a white is TWELVE TIMES more likely to be killed by someone outside their race than a black is.

      • chaka

        We can have different opinions, not different facts!! 84% of WHITES killed by WHITES are the real numbers per the FBI which admits that their numbers are incomplete because PD “voluntarily” so we actually have no idea how many Police Departments murder every year!!!

        • TK

          And 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks. So…16% of whites are killed by nonwhites, while only 7% of blacks are killed by nonblacks. So…16 divided by 7 equals a 228% disproportionality. Then when you factor in the fact that there are 5.5 times as many whites than blacks and multiply that by 2.28%, the mathematical reality regarding interracial murder is that a white is TWELVE TIMES more likely to be killed by someone outside their race than a black is. You idiots really make this too easy, but then again you were never really good at math, what with your average 85 IQ and all.

          • chaka

            So much for average IQ!! The last time I took one of your culturally biased (designed by WHITES for WHITES) IQ Test. I scored 145! Genius is 160! Further you want to talk about math??? How about 120 Billion dollars?? That’s the amount of money pumped into WHITE communities between 1948 and 1962 via FHA and VA loans, loans that were guaranteed by the FEDERAL government, providing the boots for the WHITE communities to pull themselves up by!!! Boots that were systematically denied to Black communities!!! More math?That comes to roughly 2.5 trillion dollars, in today’s dollars!!! Which translated to 160$ down payments and 65$ monthly payments spread out over 30 years while Blacks had to pay 50% down with the rest due over 5 years. Thus creatingthe WHITE middle class! Think that might have something to do with interracial CRIME???

            • TK

              Someone’s angry! Hey, sub-genius—if these tests are designed by and for whites, why do Jews and Asians consistently score higher on them than non-Jewish whites? The problem for your little half-baked theory is that Asians and Jews score higher than whites and have higher income than whites in this system you falsely claim is rigged in favor of whites. Asians and Jews demolish every excuse for black failure.

              Yes, some blacks score “genius” on IQ tests. They’re statistically very rare, though. Statistically, Asians are 32 times more likely to score “genius” on these tests than blacks are. On the flip side, blacks are 32 times more likely to score “retarded” on these tests than Asians are.

              All the wealth that was created by slavery was wiped out in the Civil War. These days, machines can pick cotton. The sad truth is that blacks have very little to offer in terms of labor. All they do is take and whine. And there’s an expiration date for that infantile behavior. It’s coming very, very soon.

              Another statistical fact is that blacks live longer and have a much higher standard of living in white countries than they do in black countries. Yes, I’d be full of rage if I were you, too. The facts are all very embarrassing to blacks.

              Honestly, being so smart, I’m surprised you haven’t figured any of this out.

              • chaka

                Pardon me but you dont know sh**!!! Yeah I’m angry 300 years W/O a paycheck ? Not to mention the fact that at the same time the AMERICAN government refused to give most (those who Sherman did give the land to have done very well) of us our forty acres and a mule they were awarding 160 acre land grants to European immigrants! You’d be pissed too! But add that to the DELIBERATE destruction of Black businesses by building the state and federal highway systems through them from the mid fifties to the Seventies on top of 2.5 trillion dollars in mortgages from 1948 through 1962 pumped into the WHITE communities (but denied to Blacks) creating the Suburbs and need for the highways that I mentioned above as well as the WHITE middle class would tend to piss ANYONE of color off !!! As for Africa, 800 years ago the richest man in the World was Mansa Musa an African emperor. While most Europeans lived and died within 10miles of their birthplace in dirt floor hut villages and cities where chamber pots were routinely emptied out the window and took baths once a year; African merchants lived in houses with running water and along with African sailors had a trade Empire that ran from West Africa across the Sahara to Cairo and from Cairo across the Indian Ocean to as far as India and China! What happened? The WHITE Man came out of Europe like a plague stole everything that wasn’t nailed down, turned the trade routes to their advantage and the land to cash crops like rubber designed to enrichen Europe while Africans were literally worked and starved to death on European owned plantations and mines on African land that had supported African kingdoms for millenia!!!!Lastly much of the wealth acquired from Slavery was and is still in the hands of Northern Bankers, insurance companies and Ivy League Universities. ( look it up if you think i don’t know what I’m talking about) Furthermore much of the infrastructure the roads, docks railroads in the North as well as Washington D.C. including the White House was built by Slaves. NY became the greatest City in the World precisely BECAUSE it had more slaves then any other city in the world other than Charleston SC! Oh somebody did a study to determine why Asians did better academically and it came down to time studying. Asians spent an avg 9 hrs a week WHITES 5.4 hrs and Blacks 3.9. I scored high because my Grandmother a retired 1 room school teacher taught me to read. Then my father told me about the Zulu, piquing my interest in these disciplined men who looked like me and armed with spears fought the British Empire for fifty years. I read first everything i could on the Zulu in the three sets of encylopedias we owned. Then the Boer wars then EVERYTHING on war. Then from a to z! By the time I got to 4th grade I was reading at the Freshman in college level all because I saw myself in the books I read, think that might have something with the Asians showing more interest in learning? No one suggests that as a race they have contributed nothing to modern civilization! But a**holes like you routinely suggest that we were sitting around in the jungle waiting for the WHITE man to rescue us!! Is it any wonder that Black boys in particular reject WHITE culture and refuse to learn, when this is what is taught us about ourselves???

                • TK

                  Asians show more interest in learning because that’s the SMART thing to do, and they’re SMARTER than you dummies are!

                  And your “we fail because we’re taught low self-esteem” excuse has repeatedly been proved wrong. On tests of self-esteem, blacks have the most and Asians have the least. On tests of intelligence, it goes the opposite way—Asians score highest, blacks the lowest.

                  Blacks don’t lack self-esteem. They have tons of that. They lack native intelligence.

                  If black Africans had any of the technology you claim, it would have been easy to repel those cave-dwelling Europeans. But they didn’t. Slaves built what? What did slaves DESIGN or INVENT? Oh, right—nothing! If black labor builds everything, why does every majority-black country on Earth look like Haiti? And if your dumb answer is “Because white people stole it,” then the fact is there was no technology nor anything to defend your allegedly advanced civilizations. If you cretins had anything more than rocks and spears, it would have worked nicely against the guns the Evil Cave Devils brought with them.

                  You are the failures of history, and that’s why you’re angry. Beneath your anger is shame.

                  • chaka

                    Again you’ve drunk the kool aide!!! The fact is white people havent invented any thing!! Face it when my people were building the pyramids yours were painting themselves blue and living in caves!! When African sailors crossed the Atlantic yours couldn’t sail out of sight of land. That’s why the only nation that would finance Columbus was Spain, because the technology ie ships and the ability to navigate by the stars was first brought to Europe by the Blackamoors when after conquering Spain they built the first University (Salamanca) in Europe since Plato’s Academy!! The facts are that when the studies measure the academic progress of those African Americans whose parents knew enough of our history to teach their children who they are; their children out perform their counterparts whose parents have adopted a “color blind” attitude! Moreover HBCU’s who get only 12% of black students, have less money and students who have lower test scores produce 85% of all black federal court judges, 75 %/of all black officers in the military and 50% of BLACK professors at Traditionally White Institutions! Moreover, NCCU’S first time passage rate for the bar is 81.5 % while across town at Duke with ten times the money and students with higher LSAT and IQ scores first time passage.rate for the Bar exam is identical; 81.5%!!! Further; Morehouse an all male HBCU’s medical students score the highest in the nation on the national medical exam! Every dog has his day and yours started in 1492 and is fast coming to an end!! That’s why the only demographic that’s life expectancy that has gone DOWN in the last twenty years is uneducated WHITES between 34 and 54 over 500,000 of them have died premature deaths from outright suicide and other self destructive behavior. YOU people are literally dying of despair!

      • Roko Zuzi

        Really, 81%, are you sure?

      • krosst

        Black officers account for a little more than 10 percent of all fatal police shootings. Of those they kill, though, 78 percent were black.

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    • chris

      For all of the historians that are commenting and providing statistics please check laughing tyger’s comment and stats. White-on-white crime is just about same as black-on-black crime meaning that white people are killing each other at the same rate as black people. I did not have to do anything the research was done by laughing tyger. It is time to address the historical and systemic problem of African American’s be killed and terrorized. Does America really want to get rid of terrorized????? Black people have been fight to get rid of racism in this country and will not stop fighting. People, you need understand where racism comes from and then you will understand how to get rid of the biggest disease, the biggest poison racism. The only way racism will end is for white people to stand up and take the pillow from their heads. It starts in their home, their church, their communities and this country.
      Happy New Year America

      • bob ruppert

        Chris, you have to do more than look at the numbers. You have to be able to understand them, which you apparently don’t and break them down further, which you didn’t.

        First of all, it’s common sense that people are more likely to commit crimes against those they are in more frequent contact with. Violent crime is highest between family members and friends.

        But, as to your comments, bottom line is that a black is 25% more likely to be violently attacked by another black than a white is to be attacked by another white and whites victimized by blacks 15% more likely than blacks victimized by whites.

      • tiko

        The solution is extremely simple…..don’t commit the crimes and the stats will plummet faster than they have been. Easy enough. Are YOU up for it or will you continue to cry that priority for college entrance, jobs, promotions, etc. is not ENOUGH to please the black community? Perhaps we ought to pull the American flag down as a symbol of repression of whites? I don’t see emperor obama supporting white cops other than to say that “he does not blame blacks” (rough quote). I don’t see him releasing hundreds of white drug dealers for selling his so called “harmless” crack. I don’t see him bawling for white waiters that must serve black people like he bawled that once upon a time he was asked to pour a cup of coffee for a white man…….the horror of it all.

      • ⊕RussR⊕
        • Infamous_God

          FBI Facts are racist.
          Okay try and say that with laughing

          • ⊕RussR⊕

            😉

      • crazyottojr

        Actually 87% of White murder Victims are killed by other Whites (13% killed by Blacks) 95% of Black murder victims are killed by other Blacks (5% killed by Whites.) Seems to be a discrepancy in your math. I believe you mean Statisticians not Historians. Rid of Racism? What rights in this country are you denied? Education, employment, Healthcare, voting, property ownership, marriage, public access, are rights that are protected for all minority citizens in this country. Just because you feel the need to believe in the myth of the white bogey man keeping you down and preventing you from obtaining opportunity doesn’t make it true. Over 10 Trillion dollars in today’s dollars has been spent to fight the war on poverty and assist the minorities in this country since the 60’s with apparently little effect. You need to blame someone for your plight in life start looking in the mirror.

        • Mr. F.EM.A

          We should all look in the mirror! Why do you think this country has to create these fairly new programs for assistance? It’s because none of the “founding fathers” nor the “discoverers” of this country considered “Blacks” as human. This example can be found in your constitution. There’s a bunch more to say on my previous point but I won’t. With that, though, how couldn’t/why wouldn’t these truths have Us at a disadvantage? I have seen, with my own eyes how the powerful plan to stay in power & it’s not only targeted at US but all poor people.

          • DocInNJ

            • You said, ‘…none of the “founding fathers” nor the “discoverers” of this country considered “Blacks” as human.’

            – Please read The Federalist Papers (heard of them?) They were published articles/essays written by “founding fathers” to promote a centralized Constitutional Republic. To help gain support of the states that DID NOT support slavery, some of the papers explained how the Constitutional Republic would lead to the freedom of slaves. Even though a powerful union was formed, the slavery states later abandoned the Constitution, which resulted in a schism — the Confederacy formed — and civil war. Those “founding fathers” were wise with foresight that the power of the Federal Government (implemented by that dastardly Constitution) effectively led to the abolition of slavery.

            • You said, “This example [of Blacks considered as not human] can be found in your constitution”

            – You’re probably referring to that part about “three-fifths”. That is the “Three-Fifths COMPROMISE” — power and taxes. Slave owners WANTED slaves to be counted as free citizens — FULLY HUMAN BEINGS. However, that would have given slavery states overrepresentation in Congress and the Electoral College, resulting in a legislative and executive advantage (that northern states would NOT accept). If slaves were NOT COUNTED AT ALL (because they did not vote and were not TAXPAYERS — not sub-human) then the slave states would not have joined the accepted a Federal Government. “Three-fifths” was the compromise of power and taxes. HUMANITY WAS NOT THE ISSUE AT ALL!!!

            • The Constitution _led to the freeing of slaves_ (as expressed in The Federalist Papers of its proponent “founding fathers”) and the solidification of the Union.

            • Also, mind you that the Civil Rights Movement would have been unsuccessful without the power granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution. Jim Crowe laws were effectively abolished by, not built on, the Constitution.

            I say this sincerely. Please learn more about the Constitution (and unrevised American history) before you bash it any further. Thank you.

        • chaka

          The mirror? Bulls***!!!! You need to quit playing with yourself!!! Starting in 1600’s WHITES were given a head start because they were given land out right, while Blacks who were lucky enough to acquire land were DENIED the right to pass it on down to their children! In the 1800’s the Homestead Act NOT ONLY gave WHITES millions of acres, but built land Grant colleges where Blacks were denied entry!! From 1948 to 1962 2.5 trillion dollars in terms of today’s money was pumped into WHITE communities via FEDERAL government loan garantees. Money that created wealth, that was deliberately denied to Black Communities!!! Furthermore when Black businesses prospered anyway providing (without the humiliation of going to the backdoor) lawyers, doctors, banks, shoe repair ships and insurance companies etc, and survived the race riots of the 1920’s, starting in the 1950’s state and federal highways were nationally systematically built either right down through the middle of Black Business Districts or separated them from the neighborhoods where their customers lived slowly strangling them! I suppose that was a coincidence??

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    • Name

      Could liberals get any dumber when it comes to thinking?

      A logger probably encounters a potential life threatening situation every day of his career….police don’t go to shoot outs or confront guns and knives every day. And to compare a pilot putting a mega ton airplane 35,000 feet into the air once or twice a day to a cop, who may be ‘patrolling’ an area that has less crime than Mayberry RFD, just shows how bat sheet stupid liberals have become.

      Liberalism is the root cause of blacks being shot at a disproportionate rate.

      How blacks mope around while Obama favors illegals over them and says they are too stupid to get a photo ID to vote and sues a State to stop them from getting school vouchers while his kids go to a private school that is armed to the teeth is their problem, not ours.

    • Thomas May

      Is it possible black ppl are putting themselves on the wrong side of the law more often? Especially violent crimes?

    • Steven Cook

      I personally hate the TV media like FOX and CNN etc. but I hate FOX just a tad bit less. whites are killed just as often as black people the media only reports black victims and fuels riots, burning and looting. While we see absolutely zero outrage for white victims of police shootings.

      • Really Man?

        “Zero outrage for white victims” Whose fault is that, really.

        • TK

          Jews. They use blacks as a shield against the white goyim that the Talmud teaches them to treat as subhuman. Research the fact that 2% of the population controls more than 80% of the media and it all becomes clear.

          You hear all about “white privilege” all the time, but never about “Jewish privilege” when the fact is that per capita, Jews make far more money than non-Jewish whites and possess an absurdly disproportionate power over media, education, and finance compared to their numbers.

    • Mary

      It is so amazingly sad and frightening that no matter what certain people aren’t going care that police are shooting unarmed Americans. On here, they don’t even care the police are shooting unarmed white men. What makes you think they are capable of caring about us? They don’t seem to care that police aren’t protecting and serving their fellow Americans in these “high crime areas”. Shouldn’t they be outraged that police have allowed crime and drugs and gangs to run rampant in mostly black communities? They would be outraged if it happened to them. We can’t tell on the criminals, because we can’t depend on the police to protect us, not in predominately black high crime areas.

      • laughing tyger

        DON’T SNITCH.. “SNITCHES wind up in DITCHES” is why crime is rampant. If no one can talk, nothing can be done… the police can’t read minds …

        • Really Man?

          The same reason crime is rampant is how police corruption is rampant, which ties to the OP’s concern of them not really caring about serving justice in general.

    • Ghost of KashiGasa

      Things not taken into account. Population of white people.

      Things not taken into account. White on White crime is higher than Black on Black crime.
      Too many things not taken into account by the commentators on this post.

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    • Tammo

      The premise that blacks don’t commit crimes at a higher rate than other races is nonsense. I have never seen police stationed in a library or grocery store in a white area which is common in black area. Remember when Koreans would open grocery stores in black areas and blacks would complain that the Koreans were rude to them. Solution: blacks should open groceries stores in black areas. Maybe not, since the black store owners don’t want to be robbed and possibly killed.

      • janus999

        That premise is backed up by FBI data. You can freely go to the FBI website and check it out yourself. Statistics aren’t determined by paranoia and FOX news. They are determined by research and records. The FBI has both and instead of citing the few things that come to the top of your brain you can go look at all of the compiled data and really know what is going on. Which is just what you tried to disprove. Crime rates are about the the same in percentages between all races – which mean crime NUMBERS are much higher for the majority race because the same percentage times a higher population equals a higher total. I know your biases want you to believe that Blacks are more dangerous, but you have to abandon your prejudices in order to accept the reality – and the truth.

        • Tammo

          This is what I wrote: “The premise that blacks don’t commit crimes at a higher RATE than other races is nonsense.” and this is what you wrote: “which mean crime NUMBERS are much higher for the majority race because the same percentage times a higher population equals a higher TOTAL.”

          The word, “Rate” means how often something will happen. The word, “Total” means the final sum. So if you are dealing with the SAME NUMBER of people in two different races and one race “white” commits 10 crimes where the other race, “black” commits 100 crimes than the RATE of crime for blacks is 10 times as high as whites. You don’t have to watch Fox News or be prejudice to be able to understand this concept.

          • janus999

            I have no problem understanding what you wrote. that RATE argument is complete bull because it infers that you actually have a higher chance of a crime committed against you. You need to take that RATE and place it within a set geographical area – say a 20 mile square. Place the raw numbers in that square and now you have a better visual of what those “rates” turn out to be. No matter how you slice it – 10 crimes vs. 140 crimes says it’s more dangerous to be in a situation with a higher total amount of crimes than a lower. And further – I said the FBI data doesn’t back up your statement anyway – which it doesn’t so your base argument is still wrong.

          • chaka

            Like I said the FBI’s stats are based on ARRESTS not convictions!!

            • Tammo

              If it was based on the people who actually did the crimes the statistic would be even more lop sided showing blacks committing more crimes.

              • chaka

                Really??? The last I heard the Bandidos and the Hells Angels were WHITE motocycle gangs that are and were international criminal enterprises who murder prosecutors and judges, deal drugs, and commit extortion just to mention a few of their nefarious exploits! So your statement is based on nothing but your RACIST opinion. And this from a member of a group of people who 500 years ago were living in dirt floor huts, and took a bath once or twice a year because they didn’t want evil spirits in their bodies!!!!The fact is that you people came out of Europe in the late 15th century like a plague!!! You built America alright, on stolen land and with stolen labor!!! Furthermore 52% of ARRESTS for violent crimes are WHITE males like the WHITE boy who did a carjacking and a high speed chase where he rammed a couple of police cars before rolling the stolen van eight times on I-95 between Jupiter and Stuart Florida a couple weeks ago. This fool had just got out of prison after doing a three year bit for attempted murder. If he was black or hispanic he would have still been locked up today rather than in a medically induced coma because he would done at least ten years with his record which at age 29 includes being charged with 47 felonies and had been convicted of 10 of them!!! Last but not least; walking into a movie theater or a school with an assault rifle and committing mass murder is clearly a WHITE thing!!! So who commits the most crimes again? You see I have sat in a courtroom and watched almost every white boy walk away with adjudication withheld which means if they complete their probation, they don’t even have a record! While, every Black or Latino with identical crimes as the White boys left with a felony conviction!!!

                • Tammo

                  Yep, Really! You sound like a real racist.

                  • chaka

                    TYPICAL!!!!Anytime RACIST like you get called out with facts on your RACIST opinion the OTHER guy is a RACIST!!! Just like your hero Donald Trump who feels that he can say ANYTHING he wants about anybody and then wants an apology when he doesnt like what someone else says about him!!!!

                  • chaka

                    If the telling the truth makes me a racist; so be it!!! And what, pray tell, does ignoring the truth make you?

                    • Infamous_God

                      You want the truth here it is. The black community has a major issue that needs to be addressed internally. Failed Parenting.
                      Proof? Disruptive classrooms = lack of an education = lack of a good job or career = lower salary and income = which = low self esteem = crime or single mothers at a young age. Thus starting the cycle
                      Dispute that. If you do you are an enabler and your ego is in the way.

                      • Really Man?

                        What causes failure of parenting in any other environment or community? A variety of bad influences there. The next question is obviously much more complex though. What causes the bad influences in the community? Most would jump to the first conclusion they predict of and link it back to “failed parenting” and claim this is the cycle. What not everyone remembers is how that theorized environment is affected by the rest of the world, it’s not an isolated system as it is a part of (and result of) its surroundings. For the environment being as bad as you would imagine, it probably made somewhere else better in the mist of things. We should not assume that the bottom has never been right about their oppression before as seen through world history. I am by no means near lower class but even I can realize what’s going on here, as we all know not 100% of people leaves a capitalist system unscathed.

                      • JoeD

                        The welfare state is solely responsible to the disintegration of the black family. Follow that up with resentment of whites fueled by black leaders and the media and you have a disaster.

                  • Infamous_God

                    He / she is a Racist. “White boys” used in the majority of his / her post.
                    I guess the term White man, White guy, White folks, White men, White women when addressing the subject of Caucasians over the age of 18 does not apply to Chaka.

        • chaka

          Moreover, the FBI counts ARRESTS not convictions!!! And we get stipped, frisked and our cars searched at a much higher rate than WHITES!!!

      • chaka

        Sorry to disappoint you and your racist assumptions, most of the time banks refuse to loan Blacks the money regardless of credit ranking unless we have collateral banks refuse to loan us the money. I know this for a fact, because I tried to open up a closed down 7-11 in my neighborhood where my wife had been manager and had made a profit after after years of losing money, because my brothers and I made national news battling the gang that used the store as a hang out spot. So suddenly profitable after years of defecits, Southland decided to end profit sharing at least with her and wanted to put her on salary!! She quit and they brought in a White manager, six months later the store went under! Eventually, the store was bought by Arabs!!! Furthermore many of the stores in Black neighborhoods are funded by the South Korean government, that’s why they have cornered the weave market!!!

        • Tammo

          My conclusions were based on observations, reading and facts. In these blogs it seems that anybody can say anything they want as their personal experience.

          “most of the time banks refuse to loan Blacks the money regardless of credit ranking unless we have collateral banks refuse to loan us the money.”

          Do you really think it is any different for other races if you don’t have collateral or a track record of success?

          “Southland decided to end profit sharing at least with her and wanted to put her on salary!! She quit and they brought in a White manager, six months later the store went under! Eventually, the store was bought by Arabs!!!”

          Wouldn’t this statement by you be considered racist? How about if I said, “Blacks!!!”

          • chaka

            TypicaI anytime anyone who knows the facts and doesn’t let you get away with that propaganda that passes for US History they are Racist!!! I dont think I know for a fact that at the same time that the US government renigged on the promise of 40 acres and a mule for the freed slaves, they were giving millions of acres away to European immigrants.I don’t think, I know for a fact that from 1948 thru 1962 Black people did not have access to loans via FHA and VA while the government and the banks pumped 120 Billion dollars into WHITE neighborhoods creating the White Middle Class. I KNOW for a fact that the government punished Black businesses for supporting the civil rights movement nation-wide by condemning them and paving them over with the interstate highway system during the 60’s and the 70’s. Further I know that the USDA subsidized WHITE farmers during droughts etc while denying Black farmers access to the same funds and then stonewalled the case they brought so long that most of the Black farmers who brought the suit either died, lost their land or both!!! Google anything that I said and you find out the truth of what I’m saying! Quit drinking the kool aide!!! This country was built on stolen land with stolen labor and that is a historical fact!!!

            • Tammo

              Can you bring us up to date? All of your data is pretty old. Since the 60s we have affirmative action, welfare, subsidized housing, medicaid and many, many more programs that are dis-proportionally aimed at black people. Didn’t the current president pass a bill helping strictly black children where it should have been all children that met the qualifications. Let see 25% of government workers are black. A similar percentage appear on TV. The military deaths for blacks are set at 12 1/2% even though the black military is over 17%. Yes, I can see why you would feel that you discriminated against.

              • chaka

                I dont give a sh** how old the stats are120 Billion dollars between 48 and 62 created wealth that was used to send your kids to college open up businesses that STILL make money for your community today!!! George W. Bush went Yale or Harvard because his Daddy went there not because he was smart!! Thats called being a LEGACY admission. THAT’s Affirmative Action only its for rich Whites! To balance that you gave us Affirmative Action from what 1963 till 1975 cause by the time my wife and I graduated from college in 76 and 77 their was no Affirmative Action in terms of jobs for us!!! Even Justice Thomas talked about how his law degree wasnt worth the paper that it was written on! Only the dummy blamed it on the affirmitive action that allowed him to get the degree in the first place!!!That’s how my wife and I met college degree and all we were both forced to work for 7-11 for minimum wage!! While I saw WHITES with no college degree get jobs that I applied for that REQUIRED a degree!!! For example I applied for a job (insurance adjuster trainee) that started at 17800.00 that REQUIRED some college, the White boy who got the job only had a semester at Palm Beach Jr College! Meanwhile in order to get away from 7-11 I was forced and was happy to get a job working for Palm Beach County making 9800.00 per year!!! Just over half of what the White boy made!!! Get real this country was built on RACISM, we were classified as 3/5 of a human being in the Constitution and we have had to fight for EVERYTHING we have!!! America the free renigged on the Forty Acres and a mule promise to most ex slaves at the end of the Civil War at the same time it was GIVING away millions of acres to WHITE immigrants!!!

                • Delores Costa

                  In the end, you are going to have to rely on your own people to back you. Point Blank. Blacks are going to have to help blacks. Whitney Houston, Bill Cosby, Oprah, Michael Jackson, Michael Jordan, do you realize if people at this magnitude joined forces how many more in their race they could have helped. It will take entertainers, athletes and businessmen in your own race to create investment opportunities for your own race. Unfortunately, whenindividuals in your race makes it big, they want to surround themselves around whites. Whites have loyalty to whites, Koreans to Koreans, Jews to Jews, Latinos to latinos, or hispanics, and Arabs to Arabs etc. etc. You are the only race of people who completely fragment from helping your own. It starts with the family. Asian American single family homes 11%, Caucasian American 24%, Hispanic 44%, African American or Black American 72%. That number is too big. It is killing your people. Loyalty starts at home. If you are expecting people to be fair. It will never happen.

                  • chaka

                    I am way if ahead of you and have been an activist since 1974! I don’t need anyone Latino, White, or Black to tell me how to help our people because I have seen with my own eyes what happens to Black people who decide to take their own destiny in their own hands!!! They wind up dead killed by a “lone gunman” while under FBI surveillance!!! Ever heard of COINTELPRO? Cosby didn’t get jammed UNTIL he tried to put together a BLACK group to buy NBC! Classic COINTELPRO, first they discredit you, if that doesnt work, they escalate by either throwing you in prison on bogus charges or killing you outright!! Thats what Farrakhan meant by needing 10,000 “fearless” black men! Further I don’t expect people to be fair, I expect the government to be fair!!! That’s why I supported the BoycottChristmas Movement!!! Further I believe that we should continue the boycott after Christmas only targeting individual businesses like the Kochs as well as creating a movement to support the remaining Black owned insurance companies and 26 Black owned banks. We contribute 1.1 trillion dollars to this RACIST economy per year enough to be the 11th largest economy in the World if they won’t support us then f**K em make them pay! As MLK said right before they killed him #redistributethepain!!

                    • TomHBowman

                      chaka, there are certainly black countries you could go live in. If I lived in Japan, for example, I would not expect to be able to climb as easily as the Japanese. It would not shock me for them to favor their own. Frankly, I think white employers are scared of you guys because if they ever criticize your work, they will be seen as racist, and god forbid they ever fire you: Lawsuit time!!! The more laws that are passed to “protect” you, the worse off you’re going to be: Everyone will assume it was your affirmative action that got you into college, everyone will assume it is legal protections that prevent you from ever being fired and/or got you that promotion. Employers don’t want to be red-taped down; they have a job to give, and they’d prefer to have some real control over the worker they give the job to.

                      • TomHBowman

                        btw, it was the Europeans who paid for this country; we paid the Louisiana Purchase from France, paid the Gadsden Purchase from Mexico, paid the Florida Purchase from Spain, paid the Alaska purchase from Russia, paid the $15 million ($380 million in today’s terms) for Cecession of remaining states from Mexico. We also allowed those remaining on our side of the border automatic American citizenship. We then fought/died to free our slaves, and formed our Constitution, where “all men are created equal”, which guaranteed Freedom of Religion for all, and we opened our doors to other race, nations, cultures, and religions to join us and enjoy this great big land we purchased. Few other nations will do that for outside nations and races. I know these purchases are no longer regularly taught in public school history class, as this part of history was deemed “too Euro-centric” in a country that was majority white, at the time, and then somehow became quickly majority non-white since then (white man’s vote? Weird)
                        Anyway, the farm loans that were denied to black farmers in the 1980s took place right after a change in the federal reserve to reduce inflation, which dropped the price of crops and farmland that the banks started calling in all loans and repossessing the farms. The federal reserve change sunk “lucky” white farmers into so much debt that they became desperate to stay afloat; their suicide rates sky-rocketed. Millions in life savings were lost, and the after-math is what led to a 1990s civil war between the government and those homeless white farmers. Not a nickel has ever been repaid for that; never by the “rich whites” (otherwise known as Jews). Black farmers escaped that nightmare by being discriminated against for the loans in the first place. Those blacks who were later legally rewarded compensation for their discrimination suit should know that money has disappeared into the same pockets of government which took the life savings of the white farmers, and denied the blacks their loans in the first place. Yes; taxes went up to cover the win from that lawsuit, so the money went somewhere!

                      • chaka

                        And where pray tell did the Europeans get the money to make these purchases in the first place? You’ve forgotten that Europe as late as the Roman Empire was known as Gaul and basically existed as a group of fiefdoms controlled by local thugs who spent all their time killing each other over limited land and resources!! That is until Charlemagne came along and created the so-called noblity by giving them title to the land that they had stolen in exchange for mounted calvary to fight against the newly converted invading Turks! Beginning in 1492. Those same Europeans used technology brought to Spain by the Blackamoors (as the old text books called them) to “discover” the new world and begin the centuries long rape of “Terra incognita”. Fittingly enough the English government licensed ” privateers ” (pirates)/to prey on the gold-laden Spanish ships. This eventually led to a War between Spain and England a War over somones else’s wealth. Wealth that eventually led to the colonization or theft of an entire hemisphere. An hemisphere that was turned to serve the Europeans by the use of stolen labor!!! To make a long story short y’all didn’t buy a damn thing you stole everything you now have!!!!

                      • JoeD

                        Jesus Christ I wouldn’t have hired you either. You know, sometimes people don’t get jobs because people don’t like them, it has nothing to do with their qualifications. Maybe you’re just an unlikable, militant black with a chip on his shoulder. It’s clear you are as even your “history lesson” is one sided. Stop blaming everyone else for your failings – they’re yours and yours alone.

                      • Corilla

                        Thank you Chaka. The minute you hit these clowns with facts, they started running away from their own. Convenient.

                    • TomHBowman

                      Oh, and I totally believe you about Bill Cosby. I wondered what the story was behind that. Good to know.

                  • TomHBowman

                    It was the Europeans who paid the Louisiana Purchase from France, paid the
                    Gadsden Purchase from Mexico, paid the Florida Purchase from Spain, paid
                    the Alaska purchase from Russia, paid the $15 million ($380 million in
                    today’s terms) for Cecession of remaining states from Mexico. We also allowed those remaining on our side of the border automatic American citizenship. We then formed our
                    Constitution, where “all men are created equal”, which guaranteed
                    Freedom of Religion for all, and we opened our doors to other race, nations, cultures, and religions
                    to join us and enjoy this great big land we purchased. Few other nations will do that for outside nations and races. Now, I know these purchases are no longer regularly taught in public school history class, as this part of history was deemed “too Euro-centric” in a country that was majority white, at the time, and then somehow became quickly majority non-white since then (white man’s vote?)
                    Anyway, the farm loans that were denied to black farmers in the 1980s took place right after a change in the federal reserve to reduce inflation, which dropped the price of crops and farmland that the banks started calling in all loans and repossessing the farms. The federal reserve change sunk “lucky” white farmers into so much debt that they became desperate to stay afloat; their suicide rates sky-rocketed. Millions in life savings were lost, and the after-math is what led to a 1990s civil war between the government and those homeless white farmers. Not a nickel has ever been repaid for that; never by the “rich whites” (otherwise known as Jews). Black farmers escaped all of that by being discriminated against for the loans in the first place. Those blacks who were rewarded the money for their discrimination suit should know that money has disappeared into the same pockets of government which took the life savings of the white farmers. Yes; taxes went up to cover the win from that lawsuit, so the money went somewhere!

                • briteness

                  Sounds like you want a war.

                  • chaka

                    No, I just want the playing field to be levellevel for instance today a WHITE family with 15,000.00 a year income has more WEALTH then a BLACK family with 60,000.00 in income because of the generational wealth created by the Big Government Programs I mentioned in an earlier post.

                • Infamous_God

                  the White boy???
                  You are a Racist

                  • chaka

                    Why?? He was White 19 years old with 1 semester at a juco while I was 23 with a bachelor’s and he got the job!! And Im the racist???? The racist was the guy who did the hiring!!!

                    • Infamous_God

                      The term “White Boy” is racist, just as it is to call a Black male over 18 a “Black Boy”

                      He is over 18 and that is considered an adult.

                      Also did you think that maybe your soft skills when you go interviews are not that good? Did you think that maybe you were over qualified? Do you know where he may have worked before might make him a better fit for the job?
                      Nah much easier to cry foul, unfair or the pathetic Racist etc, then to look in the mirror and at other considerations.

                      Maybe you’re the Racist and your own worst enemy.

                    • bellajewels

                      Perhaps it was your attitude, not the color of your skin.

            • tiko

              Really? You are a teacher according to another post (can’t spell but what do you expect from today’s teachers). Perhaps you are not aware that the measure was only a temporary one and not meant for permanent ownership? Perhaps you were not aware that the law was revoked and RIGHTFULLY so. Should my home be taken from me and given to YOU? No more so than property today is taken from it’s owners to give to developers to build condos for the rich.

              Partial truths are easy to debunk.

              Now if you want to type a few words about blacks having their property stolen from them lets have a conversation. Stealing from whites to give to blacks is wrong. Stealing from blacks to give to whites is equally wrong. Property tax records were torched to hide the crimes against blacks who sometimes owned property worth many, many millions today.

              BTW my great, great grandmother was a slave whom her owner had an affair and a child to. He starved her to death and finally took his own child into his home when it looked as though he was being charitable in the raising of his slave’s child. Nobody gave my great grandfather any land. Perhaps you would like to volunteer your property to be taken from YOU and given to ME? Suppose not…..I am WHITE.

        • tiko

          She quit. SHE QUIT. They brought in a WHITE manager. The store was bought by ARABS. SOUTH KOREANS cornered the weave (?) market. I am sorry that you feel that BLACK women ought to be exempt from accepting salary positions. I am sorry that you think that BLACK women should dictate company decisions because they are BLACK. What I really feel sorry for you is the fact that you do not believe that BROWN was guilty of anything because he is BLACK. Your extreme racism is QUITE evident. Were you involved in the shootings, the calls for executing cops, the arsons, the felony thefts, etc.? You condemn gangs and so do I……but you defend BLACK felons such as the brutal “gentle giant” Brown who decided to end his own life that day.

    • carey

      If 3% of U.S. citizens that have worth and value as human beings, began killing police, nationally, the police could be wiped out in a few days to a couple of weeks.

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    • Red Baker

      Missing: Number killed by police each year, BY RACE. It’s given for whites (385), but not blacks, Asian, or Hispanic.
      I read recently that for each black killed by police, about 40 blacks are killed by other blacks. So where’s that outrage?

      • Jesse Ponnambalam

        Red Baker, if your statistic is true, then black on black deaths is something that should be rectified, but I can assure you that most of these black no black deaths were not done by someone who has Authority over the typical American. Also police are giving this authority to protect the civilians. In many of these cases the cop who did the shooting was abusing their power. If someone is put into a position of authority to protect and serve the people in America, than they should not abuse their power and they should set an example to civilians how to properly handle a situation. Not go in guns blazing.

        • Steve Arnold

          If they have so much authority why do so many resist them. Just because they accepted a job doesn’t mean they should have to die preforming it. As for as protecting that is what they are doing protecting those who are obeying the law.

      • chaka

        You and the media don’t pay attention, when it’s outrage by Blacks about violence in our neighborhoods!! Cause ya’ll don’t give a sh**!!! You ever heard of TOP SIX,??? They committed numerous shootings in my neighborhood 2005-2006 even several in the same night!! It was so bad I used to walk the perimeter of my house at night with my 9mm!! They killed a 50 year old father of 3, five houses down from my house because he LOOKED like one of their rivals!!!! No concern from the police!!! That is until they got so bold they beat down and killed one of my son’s friends in front of his significant other, his two kids and 200 or 300 mostly WHITE witnesses at the Boynton Beach Mall Christmas Eve 2006, 2 miles from two luxury retirement towers where units started at a million dollars. Within months they had the leadership within a year they had over 300 of the members!!!! Moreover WE pay these peoples salary to protect and serve not to punish and enslave!!!! That’s why we are outraged!! Moreover I have used a Molotov cocktail and my nine to run drug dealers out of the house across the street from me!!! What would happen to me if I did that to some of these rouge cops??? No doubt a long prison term!!! If not a needle!!!!

    • JohnG911

      “Police killed almost five black people per every million black residents of the U.S., compared with about 2 per million for both white and hispanic victims.”

      This is just another example why more and more people hate and distrust the liberal media. Police – of all races – killed more whites than blacks but whoever wrote this garbage felt it necessary to state it in such a way that encourages violence against whites. Given that blacks kill 12 whites for every black killed by a white, I could say blacks are over 70 times as likely to kill whites than the reverse since most black-on-white MURDERS are commit by young black men. I should also note that the vast majority of people killed by a police officer weren’t MURDERED but the majority of whites killed by blacks were MURDERED. Interracial violent crimes like rape are even more telling. White-on-black rapes are so rare that its a statistical ZERO yet blacks rape or sexually assault nearly as many whites as they do blacks. If whites are as racist as the liberal media wants us to believe, then why don’t interracial crime stats show it? The irresponsible liberal media has blood on its hands and they should be held accountable!

      Average number of rapes/sexual assaults over six consecutive years:
      White on Black: 0
      Black on White: 22,534
      Black on Black: 24,730

      • El_Don

        You are a fool to think that a white man has never raped a black women. There is a cop currently on trail for raped 13 black women. You are beyond stupid and are telling lies.

        • JmpnGHosaFat

          Did he say NEVER? No, he said it’s RARE. And it is. So, who’s beyond stupid now?

          • chaka

            How the f**k do you know it’s rare, if MOST women are afraid to report WHITE officers to their WHITE superiors???? In fact it took a BLACK Grandmother comming forward to finally convict that racist S.O.B.!!! Just like BLACKS being confined to this back of the BUS!! Rosa Parks was NOT the first to refuse to give up her seat! She was the first with an impeccable reputation and an organization behind her!!!

        • Charlie

          ewww

        • Seola

          My guess is you don’t know how statistics work. You see, there is rounding up and rounding down. If the statistical marker is 100,000, then to have 1%, there needs to be at least 1,000 per 100,000. To round up to 1%, there needs to be 500 or more. In this case, this means there was 499 or less per 100,000, leading to a statistical zero.

        • Steve Arnold

          and you are an idiot for not being able to read, afterall no one said a white man NEVER raped a black women

          • chaka

            Actually by double digits MOST rapes are committed by WHITE boys!!

            • Charlie

              Probably because the blacks murder their victims so the rape is inconsequential .

      • JmpnGHosaFat

        There is a BLACK Investigative Reporter for Fox News, Charlie LeDuff, who did his OWN research into this and HE found that whites are indeed far more likely to be killed by cops, You can look his report up.

        • Cranky Old Man

          Not by percent of the population. Blacks are 13% of the population. Whites are more than 60% so per capita it is not even close – the police kill more blacks by percent of the population than they do whites. Your critical thinking skills are defunct.

          • Charlie

            Police killed almost five black people per every million black residents of the U.S. because they either attack the cop or ignore commands, compared with about 2 per million for both white and hispanic victims because they know if you act stupid you die.

            • chaka

              They attack police with what??? Most of these Black people are unarmed!! While they manage to take WHITE mass murderers alive!!

              • Tammo

                Remember 300 lb Michael Brown who’s death started the Black Lives Matter punched the policeman through the police car window at least twice and fighting for the policeman gun. Mr. Brown was considered unarmed.

                • chaka

                  Again you got your facts twisted! Black Lives Matter got started after Trayvon Martin was stalked and murdered by Goerge Zimmerman!!! By the way Zimmerman has been arrested at least five times since and had an assault on a Police Officer charge dropped in NJ because his daddy was a judge BEFORE he killed TRAYVON!! So who was the thug???

                  • tiko

                    Who was the thug? Martin. Let me guess you still believe that no black man can commit a crime? Why didn’t the thug Martin call 911? Why did he call his girlfriend/not girlfriend and make racist comments about Zimmerman if he was fearful for his life? Why did he return to confront Zimmerman? How did Zimmerman receive head injuries from Martin trying to kill him if Martin left? Interestingly enough in other posts you claim that blacks cannot be a felon for committing a felony unless they are convicted. Zimmerman was not convicted and so is he a felon since he is Hispanic? Or is he innocent like all blacks are innocent? Is he innocent because the evidence including eye witness testimony backed up what he said or is he guilty because no black man can commit crimes? I am confused.

                    • steph dunn

                      @tiko play the tape

                      • tiko

                        I HAVE listened to it. The cops listened to it. The jury listened to it. Your point? I would have defended my own life too. Would it have been better had Martin crushed Zimmerman’s skull on the concrete to please the bleeding heart liberals who love crime? Who glorify felons? Who love to see people die at the hands of racists? Yeah you probably missed the part where his girlfriend/not girlfriend explained that Martin called him a cracker and refused to stay away choosing to try to kill Zimmerman instead. Some angel. Please explain your desire for me to hear the tape again because everybody in the world missed your point including a jury of 6 women including one black women. The alternates included two men and two women. Even with the odds stacked against him the women agreed that nothing warranted a conviction. NOTHING. Too bad they could not decide whether or not Martin’s attack was racially motivated and put that to rest too for those who still think that he was simply an angel earning his wings.

                      • steph dunn

                        yeah okay. because everyone was there in his final moments therefore they are judge and jury. those without sin cast the first stone. I’m sure you’re no Angel yourself. so whatever

                      • tiko

                        His sin of attempted murder cost him his life………so whatever. My most serious sin (man’s law)? A speeding ticket…….hardly worth getting killed for and irrelevant to Martin’s crime.. His final moments were witnessed by some. His final words before hanging up with his girlfriend/not girlfriend were reported by her including his hatred of “crackers”. His final breath witnessed by God and Zimmerman. Man’s law as well as God’s law says that you are permitted to defend your life. Just because he was black does not mean that he cannot commit a crime……contrary to your claims. Speaking of which…..why do you want me to hear the evidence against him again? You forgot to answer the question instead claiming that since nobody is without sin his should be excused. It did not happen because ignoring his crime would mean that another would have to die…..he survived and man’s law exonerated him (even with 5 women with one being black judging him).

                      • Charlie

                        I loved how they showed the picture of him when he was about 8 years old

                  • tiko

                    That would be Black Lies Matter. Martin was seen attacking Zimmerman. Brown was not saying my hands are up don’t shoot. How about TRUTH? Does that matter?

                  • Infamous_God

                    Trayvon Martin was also a Racist.
                    to quote his text “Creepy A** Cracker” Cracker is a racist term.
                    Also he did not have a clean record.

                  • Charlie

                    Zimmerman is a super predator I guess then.

                    • chaka

                      Yeah! He is!!! If Trayvon had been WHITE or a REAL thug we wouldn’t be having this conversation cause Zimmerman would be either locked up or dead!! Cause if he had managed to survive the encounter, Travon’s FAMILY or running partners would have settled the score when Zimmerman was stupid enough to go hang out in Travon’s hometown (Miami) on the beach!!! As it was he had to leave in a hurry!!!

                      • Answer me this: IF Martin had SO many people who cared for him… WHY did his body lay in the morgue for DAYS before any family member even bothered to come and identify him???

                      • I would’ve been following the damned ambulance!!!

                  • Please educate yourself about a subject before speaking upon it. You are only repeating what you’ve been told from our “trustworthy” news… and whoever else. Do some actual research on your own and you may be quite surprised. Otherwise you are just another brainwashed, broken record.

              • tiko

                WOW. Most of these Black people are unarmed. What is the hood coming to these days when no self respecting black man can acquire a gun? I will bet that you claim that since they cannot commit a crime they can’t get a gun because whites refuse to allow them to buy legal ones. Hmmm….my friend hunts and I will bet money that he lied and told the gun dealer that he was white so that he could get a gun. You never claimed that Blacks cannot lie….but wait…..that would be a crime. Now I am confused. Can blacks own guns or steal them or can’t they?

              • Peter Antonocci

                unarmed does not mean not dangerous. many people have been killed with a single punch to the head or neck. many of the suspects have spent time in prison, so they are very strong and have had fighting experience. if someone like that were to get you down on the ground you could be kicked or punched to death in less than a minute easily.

              • Charlie

                Wish that was different…shoot em between the eyes.

          • chaka

            Of course!!! That’s a deliberate RETHULICAN ploy you can’t test critical thinking skills on the Standardized Tests the RETHUGLICAN Revolution gave us under Ronald Reagan!!! Think about it; do you really think a population that had been trained to think critically would have been gullible enough to support the second bogus invasion (see Dean Rusks admission of Gulf of Tonkin Hoax) in Forty years??

          • DollarFray

            Your critical thinking skills are lacking too. Unless you are going to include crime statistics by race in this argument – it is flawed. You cannot make an accurate argument without factoring for which race commits what % of crimes or are armed or shooting at at police more often.

            “Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population. But as MacDonald writes in The Wall Street Journal, 2009 statistics from the Bureau of Justice Statistics reveal that blacks were charged with 62 percent of robberies, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country, despite only comprising roughly 15 percent of the population in these counties.

            “Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force,” writes MacDonald.

            MacDonald also pointed out in her Hillsdale speech that blacks “commit 75 percent of all shootings, 70 percent of all robberies, and 66 percent of all violent crime” in New York City, even though they consist of 23 percent of the city’s population.”

            http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

            • Cranky Old Man

              You did not reply to what i was talking about. So your critical thinking is what? It’s biased.
              I was replying to a topic. Did bother to consider that topic?

        • chaka

          Yeah and every time Blacks revolted against Slavery some handkerchief head NEGRO like Charlie LeDuff, Clarence Thomas, or Allen West ran to Massa and told it!! F**K LeDuff and all those like him!!

          • JmpnGHosaFat

            Oh chaka, you poor dear! Didn’t anyone tell you that slavery ended a long time ago? You should come down out of your tree more often. Do you know that here in Detroit, there have been three babies who have been shot and killed? Well, to be fair, one was in Inkster. Two of those babies were actually TARGETED and one just happened to be a victim of circumstance. Did white people kill those babies? NO! That would be YOUR BLACK MEN!!! Yay!! Good to know how much “black lives matter”!! You FOOL!!!

      • D.M

        Do you have the average number of rapes/sexual assaults over six consecutive years for white on white? Just curious.

      • Lejon Leonard

        Whites support their police.

        • steph dunn

          of course, people of color do too. it’s the smucks wearing the uniform that appear to be officers abusing their power I don’t support

      • Christopher Flores

        White men do rape black women. It just doesn’t get reported because police usually don’t believe the black woman.

      • Really Man?

        I think the idea is that it should be obvious that whites have more deaths due to them taking up a much bigger part of the total population than blacks do. Bringing up an average number of rapes/sexual assaults with races as a backdrop for police shootings? I like how you don’t see the irrelevance of that, also noting that you purposely left out “White on White” because you know that’s probably in the hundred thousands. Where did you pull out those silly statistics anyway? “This is just another example why more and more people hate and distrust” people like you.

      • chaka

        Yeah but 52%/of ALL rapes are committed by WHITES!!! As well as 50% of all violent crimes. Moreover Blacks and WHITES smoke marijuana at roughly the same rate. Yet BLACKS get arrested at a 50% higher rate then WHITES!!! Get real we get policed at higher rates across the board and do more time for identical crimes!!!!

        • Charlie

          They get arrested more probably because they smoke all the time in public.

      • susan

        What is the source for those assaults please?

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    • tiko

      A disproportionate number of blacks are killed? A disproportionate number commit crimes. Want control of those numbers? Talk people like the felon Mike Brown out of committing felonies and that number will plummet. Keep elevating scum like him to hero status and the rest will try to emulate him. Black lies matter.

      • chaka

        Michael Brown did NOT have a felony conviction!!!

        • tiko

          Yeah, I know…….a felony is only a felony if you say so. He was a felon. It was proven by forensics and eyewitness testimony. So…..a rapist is not a rapist unless convicted? A racist is not a racist unless they are white? A child molester is not a child molester unless he is convicted? Sorry but I call a spade a spade. A felon IS a felon if he commits a felony. A conviction simply means that he was tried for the crime. Unfortunately for the felon Brown he chose to die rather than be convicted.

          • chaka

            I on the other hand have sat in court and watched WHITE boys get adjudication withheld which means they won’t even have a record, if they complete their probation. Meanwhile Blacks charged with IDENTICAL CRIMES got felony convictions and time!!! Moreover forensics on Mike Brown proved what the PROSEÇUTOR wanted it to prove, because anyone who is familiar with firearms knows that Wilson lied!! 1) I weighed about 270 lbs the last time I hit a student who had lifted me off the floor to slam me, I broke his eye socket he squalled like a wounded pig and didn’t want to fight anymore! 2) Wilson shot him once in the car, chased him down the street shooting at but missing him six more times at which point according to Wilson, Mike turned around puts his head down and “bum rushed” him, whereupon Wilson fearing for his life fires five more times for a total of 12/shots, miraculously hitting Mike each time, twice in the head with shot #11 hitting him in the eye exiting through his jaw while the last and fatal shot hit him in the top of the head!!! That is bullshit!!! If Mike had his head down the whole time how did the other shots hit him in other parts of his body one of them in his armpit??? Especially since he missed every shot at Mike while he was running away!!! Only when this three hundred lb man suddenly rushed him did Wilson suddenly go from incompetent to expert??? No it is much more likely the eyewitnesses who said Mike turned around and raised his hands and Wilson kept shooting him all the way to the ground were correct!!! Wilson and the PROSEÇUTOR lied, period!!!

            • tiko

              You can lie all that you want and he was STILL a violent felon who chose to die that day. First off your adjudication is called probation and BLACKS do receive the same punishment depending on their record and/or the severity of their crimes. How many “gentle” BLACK felons has emperor obama declared harmless BLACK drug dealers? How many were WHITE?

              That student that tried to body slam YOU a 270 lb. teacher? He should be a sumo wrestler because he is one HUGE kid. The cop did not try to body slam a kid of any size and how your assault on a kid is pertinent I have no idea…..BUT while on the subject how do you feel about the BLACK school girl who assaulted a POLICE OFFICER and was thrown across the room? I suppose that he should go to prison for life because he is WHITE? Were you given an “adjudication” for causing a severe injury to a student? OF course you went to prison because you are BLACK!!!!! Call emperor obama and he will have you released as a non-violent offender.

              The reason that the felon Brown was shot in the car is that he tried to kill a cop. YOU are the one who does not have a clue about firearms. The felon Brown was “shot off” the officer’s gun. When a dangerous felon grabs your gun to try to kill you…whether a civilians or a cop, you pull the trigger so that he cannot gain control to kill you or others. The forensic evidence proved that. Powder burns are tough to hide unless you have time to scrub up. Brown never tried to “squall” like a pig and not fight any more as you put it (for non-teachers that is squeal). He chose to die in the street.

              Forensic evidence proved that Brown was NOT shot in the back and contrary to BLACK Lies Matter he did not raise his hands and cry “don’t shoot”. Perhaps he should have chosen a life that more closely follows the lies about his angelic demeanor? Funny thing, isn’t it? Honest BLACK witnesses proven to lie by indisputable forensic evidence.

              Guess what? Holes in the back mean that your back was facing a shooter. Holes in the front mean that you were not . An educated teacher should know that. Guess what? Bullets do strange things. Guess what? Head down means that the top of the head may get hit. Falling down with the head down means the same.

              Hmmm…..I shot a deer at 50 yards with a rifle. I had to make a snap decision to shoot or not to shoot because when it saw me it would turn, bolt and run. I thought that I was shooting at it’s chest in a full frontal manner. I discovered that it was an almost perfect side shoot in the kill zone (vitals). The deer apparently turned to run and was hit 180 degrees from where I aimed. It’s heart was blown out and it dropped in it’s tracks. A perfect shot some would say. Expert shooting others would proclaim. I know better. It turned.

              Your idea of a cop being perfect when in the heat of a fight for his life is ridiculous. Just as I shoot to kill when hunting a deer a cop (or a civilian) does not try to wound or to miss with warning shots. A standing target is a lot different than a moving one. If necessary I will empty a mag on a deer (hasn’t happened yet because I strive for one shot, one kill). When a dangerous felon keeps coming and does not “squall” like a pig in surrender as you call it I WILL continue shooting and empty a mag until the threat to MY life is ended. I WILL reload if necessary (20 shoots) and whether or not people like it I will protect my life OR the life of my loved ones OR the life of friends OR neighbors OR strangers. A cop will do the same and rightfully so. Martyrdom apparently is for violent BLACK felons and not for cops or law abiding citizens. Self defense and the defense of my loved ones is my God given right. Violent felonies are not.

              • chaka

                Sigh!!! Your ignorance is appalling!!! Some writer use squalled others use squealed, its the writers prerogative! Yeah he was a big kid who won the State wrestling title in the 225 lb class and the next year! And I mentioned it because I broke ground eye socket while being lifted off my feet and was talking about Wilson not Brown, if the 300 lb Brown who was on the ground where he had leverage to throw his weight and was trying to injure Wilson he would have broken his eye socket and jaw and never let him get out of the car!!! But instead would have beat him to death right in the car!!! Brown was trying to get away from a officer who had escalated a jaywalking ticket into a violent confrontation!! Furthermore the deer you shot was not trying to kill you that’s why you made the shot!! Wilson demonstrated his incompetence when his shot at 6 ft 4 inch 300 lb Mike Brown six times and missed as he was running away! He then hits him five straight times in the front; twice in the head as he was being bum-rushed??? Yeah right!!! I suppose you believed in weapons of mass destruction in Iraq too!!!

                • tiko

                  Sorry chaka but I never knew a pig to cry noisily. Perhaps they do but having been around pigs and even helping to butcher them I have never known them to cry. Squeal yes, cry no. I cannot quite understand what “I broke ground eye socket means” or how you breaking bones (yours or the students) has to do with “shooting someone off your gun” to maintain control of your weapon. It is rather hard to break someones eye socket and jaw sporting a gunshot would and that was the proper thing for Wilson to do. You do not want a violent felon to gain control of your weapon……EVER.

                  How exactly did the officer force the felon Brown to reach into the cruiser and grab for him and his gun? The proper response for a normal law breaker would have been to say “Sorry officer, I know that I should not be walking in the middle of the street because I may get hurt or else cause someone else to suffer injury or death. I will walk on the sidewalk”. However the felon Brown demonstrated to the officer who did not know of his violence and attack minutes before that he was quite willing to kill him.

                  The deer was killed but was not hit where I aimed. Twisting the example to suit yourself is petty and self serving. The point that when a trigger is pulled that it is not an exact science and always dead on accurate was also missed by you. Perhaps you are a foreigner who cannot quite comprehend what was written? If so I am sorry that you cannot read and write the English language quite well enough to be a teacher.

                  I GUARANTEE that when lead is flying accuracy suffers. Besides that the witnesses dispute YOUR claim that Wilson shot at his back. The eyewitness testimony was that he seemed to be trying to stop him by shooting “warning shots” which I do NOT buy as that would run counter to training..

                  How do we prevent such deaths in the future? DON”T TRY TO KILL THE COP FOR DOING HIS JOB. Brown chose to die. Let him rest in peace with his last wishes.

                  BTW Wilson and Brown were not in Iraq and Wilson did not use weapons of mass destruction to defend his life. Grow up. Bush has been out of office since Jan of 2009.

                • tiko

                  BTW chaka…..I notice that you refuse to answer the question about the idiot black female that assaulted an officer after he was called to remove her from the school. Was tossing her across the room justified due to her assault on a police officer? My guess? You screamed that she was wronged and she could not commit a crime because she is black. If it was not how do you justify your breaking facial bones of a student? Are there separate rules for blacks and whites? How about our emperor calling for the release of black crack dealers because crack is harmless? Is that OK? Two weeks prior to his racist releases a black man stabbed his girlfriend repeatedly in the neck to get her cash card so that he could buy some of that “harmless” crack. She bled out while the black animal stole her cash, bought crack and smoked it while her blood drained from her body. Thank you, emperor obama, for making me understand that blacks are not to be charged for crimes and should be released. Funny thing…..did you even hear about the animal and his victim? I doubt it. Black on black crime does not exist in the minds of people such as you. Only white on black crime exists.

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    • FoodPolice

      “Indeed, those statistics show that loggers, roofers, pilots and farmers are all more likely to be killed on the job than police…” Because only police preemptively kill what is about to kill them…

    • ken29

      I’ve tried to find something resembling unbiased data. So far the FBI Crime in the US reports seem to be the most reliably consistent. I keep finding data that is warped to support an agenda or to present numerical conclusions in words rather than numbers. The feature that I keep noticing, perhaps my bias because I can’t find any data, is that most of the cases that are described start with a perp who is confronting the police to convey superiority. In many of those cases, if the “perp” had simply obeyed police instructions, nothing would have happened. In Ferguson and Minneapolis the “victim” was walking in the middle of a dark street and refused to get off the street. I’m not excusing police over reaction, but they are expected to maintain order and if a “perp” is defying them, then certainly the “perp” must share the blame for the outcome however inappropriate it may be. Among the numbers I’ve found and remembered, in 2014 there were 76 incidents in which law enforcement killed a black (justified or unjustified – total). That same year there were 2,205 cases where a black killed another black (numerically similar to white on white, but about six times the rate), and 446 cases where a black killed a white. I have to admit that I don’t understand why the focus is on law enforcement. A few of the cases are law enforcement misapplying their responsibilities. The vast majority are what, “black terrorists”?

      • Lejon Leonard

        Never trust anything the terrorist and who I call’captian nigger’fbi,say’s.

      • chaka

        Actually, you are a suspect until you are convicted of something!!! Further how many 12 year old white boys in an Open Carry state have been killed for carrying a BB gun???

        • tiko

          He WAS NOT killed for carrying a BB gun. What part of pointing a gun at a police officer can’t you understand? Did you even dare to look at the gun? I will tell you with 100% certainty that if you pull a gun and take aim at me I WILL protect my life.

          Were you asked once upon a time to pour a cup of coffee for a white guy? Your hatred of whites mirrors emperor obama’s because HE was asked to pour a cup once upon a time for a white guy (I suppose that he refused black coffee and demanded cream?).

          Actually you are a felon if you commit a felony. If you rape a woman you raped her…..whether you are found guilty or not. If you pull a gun on a cop you pulled a gun on a cop whether you like the outcome or not. You may weasel your way out of a conviction but if you did it you did it. There is a REALLY simple solution to your dilemma of demanding that no blacks be charged for crimes…..get them to quit committing them. Problem solved.

    • Russell Billedeaux

      If you figure out the percentages where blacks make up only 13.1% of the population they are 20% of the ones killed by the police. If you break that down further most black crime is committed by black men between the ages of 15-36 or about 2% of the total population yet they also account for the most police officers killed which is higher than the blacks killed by officers.

      • FoodPolice

        You will find that blacks actually make up 13.5% of the population yet commit 52.% of all murders in America… (U.S. Census and FBI Table 43 of 2013).

        • Russell Billedeaux

          Thanks for the up date

        • El_Don

          You forgot to share that whites account for 45% of murders. Then when you factor in ALL the minorities that have been acquitted based on DNA evidence or because the cop made up statements then those stats are moot.

          • FoodPolice

            Actually whites account for 45.3% of murders in America and make up about 77.4% of the population… placing their murder rate way below their representation in the American population. If you strip away all the Hispanics who identify as white the murder rate for whites drops considerably more.

            Nice try but the stats are not moot. Very few blacks have been cleared of their murder convictions because of DNA. So few that it has a negligible impact on the numbers, percentages and therefore the stats…

          • MosesZD

            in 2013 black men killed 2698 people and accounted for 52% of murder arrests. They’re, depending on how you count mix-race individuals, 13% of 16% of the population.

            In 2013 white men killed 2746 people and accounted for 45% of murder arrests.

            So the smaller group, 1/4th to 1/5th size of the larger group, killed nearly as many. And so it goes down the crime tables.

            Obviously, if a small group is 4x to 8x more likely to commit a crime, they’re 4x to 8x more likely to end up on the wrong end of a police visit. Which means they’re more likely to end up on the wrong end of a negative outcome.

            So, when you look at the numbers, there’s really nothing there to the claims of racism against blacks in law enforcement actions. It’s simple chain:

            1. Blacks commit a lot more crimes in proportion to the ethnic group, therefore,
            2. Blacks have more exposure to arrests and police confrontations, therefore,
            3. Blacks will suffer disproportionately in negative police interactions.

            The solution is to not call white people racists. It’s not bash police. The chain of action starts with the black man committing crimes. And THAT is completely different issue.

            • El_Don

              So what about all the recent investigations on the profile of African Americans on various police departments that say if the were to stop whites at the same rate they do blacks they would be 2x as likely to get a felony arrest. The problem with the stats are they are bias since blacks are unfairly stopped by the police. The NYPD on investigation on stop and frisk says they were stopping black males 1.2 times. Meaning a individual black male could be stop almost twice in a day for no reason. So when you analyze that stat you should realize they are stopping more black males than there actually are. Poverty has always been a direct link to crime. A black college grad has a harder time getting a job than a white high school grad. If you economically castrate a ethnic group from trying to become financially indecent crime will exist at a higher rate. The stats are bias. It is no secret but to white people that choose to ignore it that blacks receiving longer sentences for the same crime as whites, and black students get suspended or expelled for the same offense that whites are either referred to counseling for or just going unpunished.

            • AKS

              american government oppression of the black man lead to the increased crime rates among the black men The government created a sort of disease that is infecting the black community it is festering and preparing to erupt. from the time slaves were brought to America on ships through lincoln’s “I have a dream” till now black americans have been displaced culturally, socially, economically… we can not change anything until we accept the truth. America is a racist experiment and the experiment is still ongoing. What has really been done to give black youth their identities back, what can be done? I DON’T MEAN GANGSTA RAP!! I mean what has America done to heal the wounds inflicted upon the black population? America is a cancer to the world!!!!!!

            • chaka

              That is bullshit!!! What you have is a situation where RACIST police, police Black neighborhoods much more heavily!!! I now live in a predominately white neighborhood I see a Policeman once in a blue moon!! When I lived in a black neighborhood I couldn’t throw a rock without hitting one. For example in July of 2004 or 2005 on my wife’s birthday we took in a movie. After the movie we went to a little mom and pop sub shop, as we left the little plaza, we saw the Policeman parked across the street. We went to the intersection, waited for the green arrow and u turned. About a mile down the road the cop pulled us over!! When he walked over to us with his hand on his sidearm I rolled down the window. You should have seen his face when he saw my gray hairs! It got even worse when my wife asked; what’s the problem officer? You see all he had seen from across the street was my 22 year-old son driving a late model SUV and assumed he was a drug dealer. I shudder to think what might have happened had we went home and let my son come back out alone!! He then went and discussed it with his backup and gave my son a ticket for running the light!!!! Oh and the cop was black, every time he sees me at a city council meeting or some official affair he looks crazy and can’t meet my eyes!!! He just knew he was gonna impress the White folks with a bust that night!!!

      • chaka

        Wtf are you talking about? You got to be dumb as rock!!! Google cops killed in the line of duty you’ll find that most of them get run down by bad drivers during traffic stops!!!

        • Russell Billedeaux

          Chaka, If I’m as dumb as a rock, a rock makes you look dumb! Preliminary statistics released today by the FBI show that 51 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed in the line of duty in 2014. This is an increase of almost 89 percent when compared to the 27 officers killed in 2013. (Note: From 1980–2014, an average of 64 law enforcement officers have been feloniously killed per year. The 2013 total, 27, was the lowest during this 35-year period.) By region, 17 officers died as a result of criminal acts that occurred in the South, 14 officers in the West, eight officers in the Midwest, eight in the Northeast, and four in Puerto Rico.
          Twenty-eight of the officers died as a result of automobile accidents, six were in motorcycle accidents, and five were struck by vehicles. Two of the officers were killed from accidental shootings, one from drowning, one from blunt force trauma, and one died as a result of smoke inhalation. Those are FBI Stats and 59 is a bigger number than 28 or are you not able to understand numerical signs?

    • iamthebest

      You know why cops jobs aren’t considered one of the more dangerous? They carry guns.

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    • famous white boy deagedx

      Pigs, nothing but dumb roid raging welfare queens. I care as much when a pig dies as the criminals they kill.

      • iamthebest

        Yeah, but that’s because you’re tough

      • JmpnGHosaFat

        You are nothing but a joke. Someone to be laughed at. You ARE right about one thing though, you are nothing but a BOY. And I’m betting dollars to donuts that if a black were chasing you down, the FIRST people you’d call would be the police!! Wimp. Hey, I hear your local pharmacy has a two for one sale on tampons and Victoria’s Secret has panties buy 3 get two free!! Hurry now before you miss it!!!

      • Lejon Leonard

        Sing!!!!!now you are one who’s making a statement

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    • Reality4U

      TWO facts which some are completely lacking in integrity and therefore they will ignore:
      1. If you don’t resist the police, nothing bad will happen.
      2. If you go for a cops gun, you’re “unarmed”, and this is not mentioned in the article.
      AGAIN……if you do what the cop asks you, there will BE no problems. I’m black, grew up in a “bad neighborhood”, and although I’ve been stopped ;by the cops for walking down the street at 1 in the morning, my parents THANK GOD taught me to blame those in my community that did and CONTINUE to (BlackLivesMatter, this is especially aimed at you) make the black community look bad, as well as the black individuals who break the law (there’s a REASON why so many black men and women are in jail……its because SO MANY OF US BREAK THE LAW).
      OK, now you can go back to ignoring how many of us that are killing each other yet no one is SO outraged or holding protests, and also the FACT that many more whites are killed than blacks by cops.

      • Alexandra Greig-Duarte

        Your first assertion is completely wrong– look at Trayvon Martin, Laquan McDonald, Sandra Bland… none of them were doing anything unlawful, and all were cooperative with police. Only 22% of crimes in 2014 were comitted by blacks, yet they make up almost HALF (1 million) of the prison systems.

        Also, it’s pretty obvious that more whites are killed by cops because they make up 77% of the country (hello??). Blacks are killed DISPROPORTIONATELY in comparison to any other race and that is just plain and clear statistics. The only person “making the black community look bad” is unfortunately you as you clearly have no real proof to back up the ridiculous and self- hating lies you’ve stated.

        • Mable V. Adams

          None of the 3 people you mention were cooperative and that is what Reality4u pointed out. Trayvon wasn’t even a police relate shooting. Had all 3 cooperated they’d all be here today. Laquan would probably be in jail with a felony but still alive.

        • Jason Wagner

          Alexandra, Trayvon Martin was not killed by an officer, Sandra Bland failed to signal, WAS resisting arrest and later died in a cell, which was deemed as a suicide. Video evidence shows her pleading with friends/family on the phone to bail her out, but nobody would since she had been in this situation numerous times, and likely stilled owed them money from previous times. Laquan McDonald was clearly disturbed, and yielding a large knife. At the time he was shot, I do NOT believe it was justified, but failure to comply with orders to drop his weapon, etc, is a form of resisting arrest. 50% of those killed by the police have been white, 25% have been black. While this is disproportionate in terms of the total population of each race, you would see another story if you looked at the number of violent crimes committed by each race as opposed to each race as a whole. Whites commit 43% of violent crimes, and blacks 22.4% which almost directly corresponds to the percentage of each race killed by the police. This does not mean that all police killings are justified, as I already stated that I don’t believe Laquan McDonald’s was, but it stands to reason that the more crimes you commit, the more likely you are to involved with the police and the more violent crimes you commit leads to an increased likelihood of having a violent encounter with the police. There are more Labradors in the US than Pit bulls, but pit bulls are more likely to be killed by the police as well.

        • rt5inc

          The disparity between the rates at which white and black Americans are killed by the police is due to the exponentially higher police presence in the inner city, which is where 90% of black Americans live. Take a statistics course ASAP and stop using aggregate data as proof of your assumptions.

        • FoodPolice

          Trayvon Martin was doing something wrong when he was killed…
          He was feloniously assaulting George Zimmerman (who was doing nothing wrong).

          • The Henry

            you follow me home like perv while its raining and ill take your gun and beat you with it!

            • FoodPolice

              You, just like your talk, is cheap….

        • John

          Only 22% of crimes in 2014 were comitted by blacks, yet they make up almost HALF (1 million) of the prison systems.

          I’ve heard that assertion, and I can’t understand the point those asserting it are trying to make.

          Since virtually everyone in prison is guilty of a crime (mostly violent crime), all you’re saying is that “black violent criminals” are incarcerated at a higher rate than “white violent criminals,” with “violent criminals” being the operative terms. Considering that most violent crime is intra-racial, isn’t having less “violent criminals” a good thing for the black community?

        • JmpnGHosaFat

          Here in Detroit within just a couple of weeks there were TWO ELDERLY WHITE gentlemen ( ages 89 and 93 ) who were robbed, BEATEN and murdered by barbarian blacks ( Ooooo! Those black guys MUST be SO tough to take THOSE elderly men on! They must have been a REAL threat to them. What do you think? ) and today, police are looking for two more killers, who shot up a vehicle and killed two people, one a 13 year old girl and a 21 year old man and injured two more, a 14 year old girl and a seven year old ( all black ) and as per, both killers are BLACK males in their 20’s. Also, two more barbarian blacks ( males in their 20’s ) robbed and beat a Hispanic man who couldn’t fight back because he has Cerebral Palsy, so again, they attack a person who they know can’t fight back. Two more tough guys. And then the ignorant “THINGS” video taped the beating and posted it on facebook. Because they are SO smart ( reason why MOST blacks can’t get anywhere beyond where they are now ) . Go figure…These are six blacks that I wouldn’t mind being shot. By ANYONE…It wouldn’t hurt MY feelings…BUT, I’ll bet you, when caught, all six will make it to jail without one scratch on them…

      • rt5inc

        That takes a lot of balls man, good for you!

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    • kelly

      This article is wrong!!!!!! The guardian does keep track of the number of people killed by police but they also keep track of the number of “people killed” each year. They gave statistics for the total number of people killed and are trying to pass it off as the number of people killed by police. This whole article is a bunch of lies…gargage.

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    • Sam Reeve

      there are 1.1 million personnel employed by police in america roughly. 776 / 1100000 = 70 per 100000 in police killings. There are 4.6 homicides per 100000 by the population. If we only include unarmed deaths, police manage 14.6 per 100000 still 3x higher than general population. Is this to be expected?

      • Ryder

        Yes. Because we hand cops guns, and tell them to run toward conflict. So it is going to be higher.

        • kraz

          You think cops run towards conflict? LOL! Stop watching so many movies and TV shows. Stop paying attention to the lying mainstream media who have to bend over to get access to info from the police which is their version of an incident.
          There was a time that peace officers were of the people and for the people and would run towards conflict but those days are gone. It might open your eyes to watch this video. According to the Supreme Court of the US, police have no responsibility to protect people. Their only job is law enforcement; to uphold the law which today usually means preemptive strikes on suspected drug dealers with no-knock SWAT raids usually for very small amounts of drugs or to serve a warrant. The other job is revenue generation through disgusting civil forfeiture laws and filling quotas with traffic violations.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZKVSNjlSp0

          • Ryder

            Of course you’re wrong about this. I get the point you are making, and you won’t find a person that knows more than I that the cops generally arrive late and simply sift through the mess… And I ALSO understand that cops are increasingly less willing to come to our aid, (after all, citizens openly hate them and threaten them) and I ALSO understand that they are not required by law to do so.

            This is why I am armed, and a member of the NRA, and give money to make sure laws that disarm us are challenged.

            I am also the author of the philosophy that says that police may NOT be armed in a superior way to the people, as they are employed BY the people, and get their rights FROM the people. The people can not give rights to their hired protectors that they themselves do not have, which means the police cannot legitimately have arms that the people do not have.

            HOWEVER, cops head toward trouble all day long… every day, and they have guns. There is an entire system in place with the sole purpose of locating trouble, and dispatching cops to that exact place as rapidly as possible.

            Pretending that this is not the case absolutely does not help.

            • kraz

              No, I’m not wrong about this but we can debate that all day. “…after all citizens openly hate and criticize them.” Not true. Most Americans still think police are all honest, fair, good people who got their job because they really want to help others and make a difference. They think this because of all the fake police shows on TV and the spin put on the mainstream news. Many police are good people but the truth is there has been a huge percentage of police that are corrupt, violent, lie and break their oaths on a daily basis increasingly so over the past 20 years. Just ask many older retired police.
              With the advent of video cameras on everyone’s phone, they’re no longer able to get away with what they used to be able to and this is a huge problem for police, their unions and the “legal” system. more people are finally starting to wake up and see the truth that many like myself have been warning about for almost two decades.

              I also believe strongly and have for many years like you do that police should have no more firepower than we the people but it’s already far beyond that. Even the smallest towns have semi, burst and fully auto rifles now. They have every type of military gear, vehicles and aircraft you can imagine given to them by the Pentagon’s 1033 program and various grants (our tax money.) They are a paramilitary force now and they even consider themselves as such. There IS an us vs. them attitude with most police these days and it’s getting worse fast.

              Yes, some police head towards danger but not “all day long every day.” That’s just movie stuff. The average day of a cop is boring and the majority of police never pull their gun in their whole career contrary to what most people think and most never shoot anyone.

              There was a halfway decent system in place and for the most part it worked for years despite the good ole’ boy system. That system has become more and more corrupt and failing for a long time now.
              Every PD in every town including state police are like private companies now. Worse even. They have no oversight by the people that pay them. There is no accountability whatsoever. More and more people are not trusting police anymore and rightly so. This is not some trend of being “cool” to not like police. This is direct blowback from many, many years of police becoming more and more out of our control and aggressive for various reasons.
              The average law-abiding person doesn’t feel safe when they see a cop in their rearview mirror anymore. They feel nervous and anxious even if they’re doing nothing wrong. It should not be like this in the US.

              Edit: I also do everything in my power to make sure that laws that try to disarm us are not passed. I am also armed. Half of Americans reading that last sentence would consider me a gun nut thanks to ignorance, our mainstream media, politicians, etc.

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    • Steve B

      302 were killed in the City of Baltimore alone and still have 7 weeks to go. How about crime statistics. More violent crimes, robberies. There are reasons for the deaths but that doesn’t matter to the group. BTW many reports use whites and include Hispanics that’s why they use the term “White not Hispanic to differentiate the groups. Be nice if they included the numbers of each group. I was watching the news this morning when I heard about a rash of burglaries in a suburb of San Francisco, over 20 in the last month, these robbers go in even if people are home as they are usually senior citizens. Anyway. The police spokesman asked for people to report any suspicious cars or people walking around the neighborhood .So if A police officer pulls over a car driving in the neighborhood streets with 3 or 4 people of color in their early 20s or 30s is that racial profiling or good police work? Really whats the answer. BTW the burglars are wearing hoodies that hide their features.

      • GreyWolf62

        What does Baltimore’s violence have to do with cops shooting unarmed people? I guess you don’t care if the people you pay to protect life kill, so long as the citizens who took no oath keep killing.

        Also, it would be nice if you admitted that many Hispanics claimed to be white because the California constitution granted them special privileges. Now those privileges have been removed, so the brown Hispanic earns more freebies than the white Hispanic. All of a sudden, you just can’t find a white Hispanic outside of Florida. Very interesting.

        Finally, as for San Francisco, aren’t they going through gentrification? Might it be that the poor residents that are being displaced by wealthy white and Chinese people aren’t liking it?

        Why are you wearing an Anonymous Mask? You should just put your Klan robe back on and stop pretending.

    • carey

      If only 3% of citizens would kill police, they could be wiped out nationally in a few days. They are the frontline protectors/defenders of a 100% corrupt, Inverted-Totalitarian, Police-State-Government, that is oppressing, impoverishing, and murdering humanity, globally, as well as in America, for the benefit of 1% of 1%. Kill them covertly when one has the advantage, at their homes, when they are walking the dog, when they are running errands, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. Then start on the politicians, then the international bankers, ……………!

      • papa

        You are nuts… this is why we need police, to protect from wackjobs like you and terrorists who are color blind. The whole country would be complete mayhem!!!!!!!!!! Idiot!

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    • Ezra Pinsky

      Classic misconstruing of the facts… Correct me if I’m wrong, but notice how they didn’t mention the exact number of how many black people were killed but just said that 385 white people were killed. By doing so they deceitfully implied that the 391 others were black people. In reality the racial makeup of the other 391 includes blacks, Hispanic/Latino, and other races. They also don’t mention which race was armed more, or who was the majority of those killed when unarmed. You’d think if those stats actually supported their claim of racial injustice, they would put those in.

      • LVTaxman

        Oh please, giving all facts instead of cherry picking may hurt the narrative.

      • Alexandra Greig-Duarte

        If you cared enough those are all simple research questions that can be answered by google. It’s estimated that 113 blacks were killed by police in 2014, which is an incredibly disproportionate amount as blacks only make up 13% of Americans, and white’s make up around 77%. Whites are also armed when shot more than any other race. Also, unarmed blacks are killed at five times the rate of unarmed whites. The majority of the unarmed who were killed are blacks, with around 30% deaths out of the 113 being that of unarmed black men (again, they are killed at 5 times the rate of whites!!). If you actually cared rather than just trying to discredit this article you could’ve researched this yourself.

        • Aylagh MacAnnadh

          I HAVE researched it. I can’t back up any of your supposed FACTS. You are just another one of those ‘crying’ all the time it’s unfair rather than looking forward at finding a way to fix it. Lets say we’re ALL GUILTY. Now what do we do to fix it! You can’t look at ANYTHING accurately until you separate the statistics into WHAT TYPE OF CRIME. I posted a little of what I found on the FBI crime statistics web site. It’s all there. Just bring a calculator as you have to do the percentages yourself if you want to look at things proportionally. What percentage of the percentage of the black community are committing these crimes. What percentage of the percentage of the white community are committing other crimes. As you said, there are more ‘white’ races in this country than there are black (they include Hispanic under white which is why you see the question on many forms are you white, Hispanic or white non-Hispanic. Once you look at it as the PERCENTAGE of black people & the percentage of white people the numbers totally change. Hey Dr. Harris, you never thought I’d ever use any of that stuff you taught us in our high school statistics class. Been 35 years but I used it today!
          God Bless All,
          There’s good in everybody, time to start looking for that then to go around always pointing out the blame on this one or that one or the other one. Like Christ taught us……’Let he who is without sin cast the first stone’.

        • Ezra Pinsky

          Wow, a lot of accusations but nothing to back you up. Classic bully move, you said that I don’t care and therefore I discredited the article. Its actually just the opposite, it’s because I DO care that I discredited this sad article.

        • papa

          Blacks also disproportionately commit MORE crime and are incarcerated more often because of such. Many of you seem to forget this mere fact! How many white gangs are on the streets? Oh, that’s a very low number in comparison to other races. Amazing that they want privileges for law-breaking just because of their skin color. Take some responsibility! You commit the crime you do the time!

    • cyby

      Majority of those killed were armed threats

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    • quickshooter

      the us law unforcement is the true definition of terrorism

      • crazyottojr

        sorry you don’t understand statistics or even simple math but thanks for playing.

      • Eric Friedlund

        You must still be in high school and don’t understand how the world works, or how anything works. Sit down and read the statistics, learn the killings, then sound an opinion, because honestly you’ve made yourself a fool with that comment and I’m slowly losing all my faith in this generation.

        • Aylagh MacAnnadh

          It took you a while Eric, join the club! You can tell pretty easily.
          God Bless.

      • JmpnGHosaFat

        Idiot….

        • quickshooter

          says the guy with the awful username

    • Rhayven Coats

      For those asking for a breakdown of white deaths by cops and black deaths by cops, don’t be surprised to see whites higher (due to population size). But, with this information, you won’t do anything…nothing at all.

      A 6 year old kid was just killed by two cops who are currently awaiting trial…yet, not a peep from the white population…even with the knowledge of two black cops being involved…and the victim being white.

      So there is no need to show the racial breakdown of the data….you don’t really care outside of your computer screen.

      • Jared French

        ohhh kaaayyy, so you hate everyone. got it.

        • Rhayven Coats

          No, I don’t hate everyone….or anyone for that matter…. Just smart enough to call these things for what it is. Fact of the matter, people don’t really care.

          • Grom Hellscream

            Now explain why 13% of the population (Black) commit 50% of the homicide in America?

            • Alexandra Greig-Duarte

              Actually, blacks only commit 22% of total crimes according the the Department of Justice, and whites commit about 45% (ouch). Maybe you’re getting confused with the statistic that blacks make up 50% of prison systems which only further proves they are targeted and jailed based on their race– not their actual crimes. Also, care to explain why every mass shooting is done so by caucasians?

              • Grom Hellscream

                No, I am talking about homicide… And thank you again for reminding us that 13% of the population (Black) commit nearly half the total amount of crime than the 63% population (White). Do you realize that there are 4.5x the amount of White in America than to Black. By per capita Black are much much more likely to commit crime. Please try to analyze and understand the statistic you yourself posted before trying to correct other.

                Also, here is some source on homicide in America. Once again, I was talking about homicide.

                https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/black-americans-are-killed-at-12-times-the-rate-of-people-in-other-developed-countries/

              • JmpnGHosaFat

                You know what? Statistically, you can add up all of the mass shooting victims and STILL not come close to all of the people killed by blacks in the last five years alone and blacks kill other blacks far more than any other group. Do some research on THAT! I have…

          • crazyottojr

            I think using smart to underscore your ignorance is the wrong tactic. It might be wiser to admit that you are prone to silly emotionalism and that you lack the critical thinking skills to carry on a meaningful life. Although you have lot in common with the current administration

      • Samtc1958

        Granted, but the statistics do not match the one “Black Person Killed by a Cop every 28 minutes” reported by the “Black Lives Matters” group. That number you ask? 18,771! Pure Lies. Too many uniformed people are spouting too much crap and the lazy people who don’t bother to check out the facts, run with it. Look at the number of Officer contacts in a day across the nation….. It’s huge ! Go read the reports about these unarmed individuals. Most, like Michael Brown, contributed to their own death by not obeying a lawful order.

        As for the 6 year old….. Pardon me but, that’s a Load of BS. You may not see the story on MSNBC, NBS, CBS, ABC & CNN but, I can assure you it made Fox as well as several Center / Right Websites.

      • Remy R-emy Remy

        Hey, as a white person, that’s some bullshit. If you want sympathy, you might wanna go about it differently. Black Lives Matter. We understand. It’s not fair to put a blanket statement out like that. There’s no white representative who’s failed to speak for all of us, that we care. Some do, and some don’t. Just like in any genre of people. I care, at least. If there’s a picket line, or protest, I’ll see you there.

        • Christine

          But you can never relate because you have white privilege. When its equal then all lives would matter.

          • JmpnGHosaFat

            White privilege? LOL!! Tell that to all of the white people murdered by blacks…Get over yourselves….

      • crazyottojr

        Maybe if you understood statistics, math and most importantly the racial breakdown of violent crime you might just be able to live a life of intellectual clarity. Unfortunately your lack of clarity will keep you a prisoner of your ignorance like all of those involved in the BLM phony movement. Which BTW is funded by a man who makes his money off o the ignorance of others.

      • Eric Friedlund

        Don’t care? Maybe if the media would put out these stories, I could hear it.

        • Alexandra Greig-Duarte

          Clearly they did as both me and Rhayven have heard the story.

          • Eric Friedlund

            So because you and some other person have heard it, I should have? #impressivelogic

      • JmpnGHosaFat

        Oh don’t think we don’t care. We just have no desire to burn down our own neighborhoods and loot our own businesses. What’s THAT going to get us? Besides free stuff we didn’t work for? See? WE are smarter than that…

    • Brian Gordon

      There are less police officers in the US than doctors, and they haven’t breached 1,000 for the year. Yet doctors have a “kill rate” of 1 for every 4 doctors each year (clear back in 2000), tens of thousands percent more. Every one of those deaths the individual was “unarmed”. And doctors are one of the least dangerous professions, if you want to look at it that way. Source: http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/07/30/doctors-death-part-one.aspx

      • crazyottojr

        That is an interesting thought. I wonder what the racial breakdown is?

    • Kain Yusanagi

      “Further, Bureau of Labor Statistics released last year show that being a police officer is not even among the country’s 10 most dangerous professions.
      Indeed, those statistics show that loggers, roofers, pilots and farmers
      are all more likely to be killed on the job than police.”

      You duplicitous fool. Those are simply FATALITY RATES for a year. NOTHING about danger on the job.

    • mtpwolverine

      Of the 161 who died, a TOTAL of 71 unarmed people have been SHOT and KILLED by police this year. Why no racial breakdown? This would seem to be a rather pertinent piece of information to leave out. According to the reference used, The Gaurdian, compiles a running total of just this statistic, in 2015 so far, of the victims 27 were black men, 27 were white men, and 17 were Hispnic men. This is pretty easily understood, considering blacks commit more murders/manslaughter and robbery than whites, despite being only 14.3% of the population. The Gaurdian doesn’t mention how many of these shootings were ruled justifiable (probably few, if any, but certainly Ferguson), but 54 unarmed men shot and killed by police isn’t the overwhelming number you might have in mind when watching the news and being told police are “slaughtering” citizens. You may not realize that the numbers are the same for blacks and whites either.

      • Alexandra Greig-Duarte

        Wrong, blacks commit 22% of total crimes and 28% of murders while whites commit 69.2% of murders (ouch). Haven’t you seen the news? Every mass murder and school shooting is done by some crazed white jackass. And your point that blacks and whites are both killed at the same rate is just ridiculous considering that (as you stated) blacks only make up about 14% of the population while whites make up around 77%. Since that’s the case, it is plain and clear statistic that blacks are killed DISPROPORTIONATELY in comparison to whites. Gotta love subtle facts 🙂

        • Grom Hellscream

          murder =/= homicide. l2legalstudy plox. They are two different terms.

        • Christine

          That’s what im talking about

        • Territorial Pissings

          that 69% statistic is WRONG…
          sally kohn admitted to using bad math to arrive at that number,she apologized and retracted her statement once confronted but the damage is done…
          http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/apr/02/sally-kohn/sally-kohn-white-men-69-percent-arrested-violent/
          according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, black offenders committed 52 per cent of homicides recorded in the data between 1980 and 2008. Only 45 per cent of the offenders were white.

        • JohnnyLynn

          If you say Whites make up 77% and Blacks make up 14% that is a total of 91%. Where are the Latinos? Why are you artificially inflating numbers to meet your narrative? The Answer is Hispanics are 18% of the population and non-Hispanic Whites make up 62%. You can’t tell the truth on basic Census numbers, so why lie about your other fake numbers?

        • mtpwolverine

          This is just a bunch of lies. Go to the US Crime Bureau for actual stats. That’s where I got mine from. Yours are made up

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    • LargoLagg

      Over the past 35 years in the US, 324,000 blacks have been killed by their own. That’s an average of 9,257 each year, or about 25 per day, or about 1 per hour. Throw in abortions, and the rate skyrockets.

      Compare that steady rate to the #blm claim of one black person killed by cops every 28 hours, and only the most obtuse person will deny that blacks are a far bigger threat to themselves than the system.

      One thing that compounds the trouble that blacks have with their own is their propensity not to tell the police who did the killings. They excuse their own killers and do not assist the authorities in apprehending the very people that murder them. I guess that’s consistent with the way #blm views those killings… like they never happened.

      • Jared French

        Thanks for diguising the fact that violent crime has gone down, due to poor folks receiving assistance. I don’t want to advocate for extreme lenience in welfare, but that is why violent crime has gone down. Meanwhile, law abiders are slowly having our guns and books burned. Once we’re unarmed I would imagine the nanny will die and the valves turned shut.

        • crazyottojr

          There is no proof that crime has gone down due to an increased supply of “free money” . In fact the poverty rate has remained constant over the last 40 years 14-15%.The crime rate has been dropping over the last 15 years while the obscene increase in the freebie supply has been only since about 2008. The true nature of the decrease in crime is complicated and most likely due to better policing.

          • Aylagh MacAnnadh

            Interesting when the increase in the ‘freebie supply’ started. 2008?

      • crazyottojr

        One thing missed by the silly so called facts being tossed around is that somehow the disproportional number of bad guys killed by cops versus cops killed by bad guys proves that police work isn’t dangerous and that police are murdering people. The truth is that most often police are just better at stopping criminals than criminals are at killing cops. The vast majority of those killed by cops were armed (80%) The number of those killed by cops versus those killed by friends, relatives, strangers, drug dealers and thugs under 5%. The %of Blacks murdered every year over the last 20 years ranges from 45% to 50% of the total number of homicides the numbers of whites involved is less than 5%. I hardly think a person need to say more.

      • Christine

        First off white person who never lived where I lived have you ever heard snitches get stiches well if you tell you get killed and thats just that telling the white man is like being a uncle Tom and if it wasn’t for Willie lynch and your grate grates who where slave owners we wouldn’t have this problem and if you dont know what Im talking about start by looking for the Willie lynch letters. In pretty sure your ansesters got one back in the day.

        • JmpnGHosaFat

          I’m sorry but I wasn’t born back in the days of slavery and neither were YOU. For you, it’s just an excuse and neither I nor MY children will accept the blame that YOU “PEOPLE” are trying to put on OUR shoulders. You live where you live because you don’t WANT to do anything to get out of it. Period. Thus, you are still slaves but only to your OWN simple minded selves. And the proof is in your poorly put together comment. Your lack of proper grammar and lack of punctuation shows that you have had no proper schooling and most likely don’t care. There you go…

          • Christine

            You do not know me, I’m very much educated with two degrees. When I am writing on a blog and being as passionate as I was yes I did ecnor punctuation, but I’m far from stupid. It seems to me you think blacks lack education and live in the ghetto, if not choose your words carefully. One thing I will say about poverty is that inequality is a big issue and the rich get richer while the poor stay poor, which is majority minorities and no matter how hard you work you will never make enough to get out of hardship. One more point for you, getting an Education can be good and bad depending on one’s career choice and background. Either way the system is just built for some people to stay at the bottom of the food chain and blacks has always been that. When it comes to black people, our culture, style, music, moves, slang, hairstyles, clothing, truth be told people of other races love our creations but hate us the creators.

    • data is one thing. behaviour quite another.

    • Samtc1958

      As of today: 442 Whites, 232 Blacks, 113 Hispanic, 17 Other and 12 Native Americans thus far this year. This compares to the “Black Lives Matters” claim of one person every 28 minutes which is utter BS. The data is compiled by the Guardian. To date 104 Officers have been killed in the line of duty.

      • Rhayven Coats

        Correction, only 32 officers have been killed in the line of duty (by gunfire). The Total number of officer deaths to date is 107. https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2015

        • Samtc1958

          At the time of my post, it was 104. In the line of duty means they were working. It matters not how they died. They died in service to their community.

          • Rhayven Coats

            Understandable. However, when comparing Officer deaths to person deaths you have to consider gunfire deaths..not deaths through heart attacks and accidents.

            Technically speaking, officer deaths are about 130 if you include k9 deaths as they are treated as full officers. However, we have to compare apples to apples.

            So as it stands, only 32 officers have been killed while on the job by guns from civilians. By comparison, over 500 civilians have died by gunfire by cops. Again, one has to compare apples to apples.

            • Samtc1958

              Again, Obey a Lawful Order given by a Police Officer and the odds of getting shot are near zero. Go read the reports: Google up “The Counted” at http://www.theguardian.com/

            • papa

              Apples to oranges = cops are there to protect and serve and are killed on the job… whereas law-breakers are there to cause havoc, are killed and there is a pity party? Please.. go sell your pity party elsewhere. ONE COP is too many! Now you see why they are trained protocol to protect themselves!!! You want some thug shooting you down? Were you ever a police officer? I doubt it; just a whiner who will probably need to dial 911 someday. The ONLY people you are protecting are criminals and they love this! Great job. If you are so concerned about criminals that deserved this because the officer was acting in self-defense, how about we house these people at your house. Oh, and don’t bother to defend yourself because #criminallivesmatter and you will be under great fire. (Better to have more innocent cops or people killed than a criminal). Tired of paying the tax bill!

    • PeterTx52

      how about just raw numbers such as how many blacks were killed, how many whites were killed

    • Mel g

      Why not do the percentage of whites killed to how many whites were arrested and the percentage of how many blacks were killed out of how many were arrested instead of doing it by overall population do it by number of arrest to number of deaths. Cops are ,statically speaking, not using deadly force at a high rate. If we have over 300 million is the us and 778 have been killed by police….. You do the math. Stop playing into the medias ploys to divide our nation. Yes I agree that one wrong death is 1 too many but honestly making this about race or about police abusing deadly force is insane when the facts themselves point elsewhere. Let’s unify as a nation let not belittle another’s struggle or preach that our struggle is harder just because of the color of our skin seriously. I hear a lot about equality but little to practice it. You act as though racism doesn’t happen in every color, It’s does! It’s sad to see the majority of our policemen paying the price for the minority of policemen who have done injustices. stop fueling the fire by revealing half truths and not showing the truth reality of these statistics. Think about this of the over 300 million residence .00026% are killed by police officers each year. Now if you can give a me statistic that shows the number of fatalities is more than the number of successful arrest of truly dangerous criminals then I think we could say we have a problem.

      • John

        “Why not do the percentage of whites killed to how many whites were arrested and the percentage of how many blacks were killed out of how many were arrested instead of doing it by overall population do it by number of arrest to number of deaths.”

        Because doing so would spoil the narrative.

        Blacks account for roughly 28% of all arrests and for roughly 25% of those killed by police.

        In terms of actual numbers, 1 out of every 10K people are killed per incidence of arrest, irrespective of race.

        So in terms of the percentage of the black population the police actually have contact with, blacks are not being killed by the police at a disproportionate rate.

        Sources: (arrests) https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43; (killed by police) http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database

        • Dawn D.

          According to the 2010 census Non-Hispanic Whites made up 63.7% of the population. Does 25% still sound equal enough for you, even factoring in 5 years? The Non-Hispanic Black population was measured at 12.2%. If you understand math, your statistic speaks for itself.

          • John

            The overall black population isn’t an honest data set. According to the graph below, 90% of police shootings occur during a resisting arrest encounter. So if black criminals are arrested at a higher per capita rate, then it follows most directly that they’ll be killed per incidence of arrest at a higher per capita rate.

            So what are you trying to say here, that the police are racist because they arrest a higher percentage of black criminals than white criminals? I think that’s partially true, in that blacks are more likely to live in high crime areas and high crime areas are more proactively and aggressively policed. So even if blacks and whites steal bicycles at the same rate, black bicycle thieves will be arrested at a higher rate. But I think the bigger component is that blacks commit violent crime at a higher rate, and violent criminals tend to be the ones getting into violent encounters with the police.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7d9b21087a3b4eff3eb250f3faaf6d61daace6257eb7cd531abcf7f06f005038.jpg

            • John
              • Dawn D.

                You don’t know about prejudice in the court system either?! I can tell you Ferguson knows all about it after the Justice Department finished their investigation and published their report.

              • Dawn D.

                How do you keep people in slavery? You incarcerate them. Slavery never ended in this country, it just goes by a new name.

              • does the collective attitude of certain ethnicities explain why they won’t live in nations their ancestors originated from?

            • Dawn D.

              I think it’s safe to say you’re not concerned for your children and grandchildren when whites become the minority then. What do you have to be worried about? ‘We’re treated equally, for the most part’.

              • Brian Gordon

                You do understand it won’t be blacks that become the majority, but is estimated that hispanics will be, yes?

                • Dawn D.

                  It still won’t be white people, right? Is that really a question?!

            • Dawn D.
              • mtpwolverine

                Well, an expired license isn’t a “minor” infraction. Many times, it’s placed on a stolen vehicle. Secondly, diving towards a door to “keep his brother from opening it” is bogus. The policeman was standing right there. All either of them had to do was ask him. Quick moves like that with no communication kills cops. May have been going for a gun as far as the cop is concerned. It seems like the common theme in all these encounters is a failure to follow orders, or just waiting to be told what to do. It’s pretty simple. Put your hands on the wheel or dashboard, and wait for instructions. Nobody gets hurt. How many black men do this and still get shot? One? Two?

                • Dawn D.

                  How are they supposed to provide identification like that? I guess you have a response to that by now, right?! And of you think an expired license isn’t a minor infraction, you’re a moron! It has nothing whatsoever to do with stolen cars either, NO idea where you pulled that one out of!

          • Brian Gordon

            And if you understood math, your statistics speaks for itself. If the black population is 12.2%, and they account for 28% of the arrests, and they account for nearly twice that percentage in homicides; tell me again, where is the problem?

            • Dawn D.

              The fact that they die at the hands of the police at a much nighter rate than white people. But I guess you can’t read either.

      • Aylagh MacAnnadh

        Well thought out and well said. Didn’t think of it quite that way before but it makes sense.
        Thanks

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    • Conrad C Weist

      Looks like the police need their guns taken. People have a legitimate reason to fear the police and the likelihood of being killed by a policeman is greater than being protected by one. Where is the NAACP hiding or are they too full from banqets to work.

      • David Stellitano

        looks like people need to abide by the laws… If you abide by the laws you do not have a run in with the police..

        • Samtc1958

          BINGO !!! We have a winner

          • … but honkey has everything, owns everything, creates everything, it aint fair black people must work harder than all the rest…. [excuses don’t stop]

      • Tony Hamrick

        Do you realize that blacks are 13% of the population and.are committing 52% of the murders each year and are involved in more than 60% of the violent crime in this country. Wouldn’t that in turn cause more interaction with law enforcement? Flawed liberal logic again.

        • Sam Reeve

          only if you believe police official statistics, which would be biased if police are targeting black people

      • Eric Friedlund

        When someone goes firing into crowds, we’ll see if you still want to disarm police. Taking guns won’t solve anything lol are you too young to understand that or too dumb?

      • JmpnGHosaFat

        Nope, They are to busy collecting money from blacks and then laughing at them….

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    • Shane

      Farmer continues to be one of the most masculine of professions. Interesting.

      • IDConstitutionist

        That’s because of the definition of farms. Most “farms” that men run are large. Women like me have small acreage places that aren’t considered “farms”. My 4.5 acre place supported dairy goats (I had my Small Herd Exemption permit to sell REAL (raw) milk), laying chickens and meat rabbits. I had another job that supported the goats, but most farms have one or both adults working in town.

    • Jake Bradford

      Logger is a more dangerous job than police? Oh FFS. As for most of those killed by police, they had it coming and the world is a better place without them. Parasites and predators who would have killed the cop or anyone else.

      • Conrad C Weist

        And we will not cry for you if you are next

      • kraz

        There are tons of people of all races who did nothing wrong at all, many were unarmed, many didn’t even break the law that have been killed by police. You might want to do a little research before you make comments like yours.
        And yes, being a logger is statistically far more dangerous than being a cop as well as many other jobs like roofers, taxi drivers, farmers, etc.
        People watch way too much TV.

        • Aylagh MacAnnadh

          How about some references to back that up? After many years as a paramedic before graduating from med school then about 10 years working in ER trauma I haven’t seen a whole lot of folks who were shot or killed by cops for no reason what so ever. I’ve known some bad cops but I’ve also known some very good ones who were doing the job for the right reasons and didn’t care if you were pink with purple polka dots, you were a person and he was a cop and he was going to protect you or apprehend you if you were harming or threatening someone else. There are good and bad in EVERY field. I am so sick of hearing the ‘Black Lives Matter’ talking about innocent Michael Brown. I didn’t have to know any of the particulars of the case when I saw the autopsy report. You do not get shot in the top of the head and have the bullet come out your lower jaw if you are standing up with your hands in the air saying ‘don’t shoot’. You do if you are bent down like a football player rushing a cop like you are out to tackle the quarterback. All the other gunshots inflicted on Michael Brown were all explainable if that were the position he was in, none could be explained by the trajectory of the bullet if her were standing straight. All these bullets hit at sharp angles, not straight shots. The cop got off twice the number of rounds than actually hit Michael Brown. A cop who is shooting at a stationary object or one running away from him is not going to have half of his shots go wide & completely miss the target. They are too well trained for that. In spite of Barack Obama and Eric Holder trying their hardest to get this cop indicted they couldn’t because of [1] the autopsy report showing where he was shot and more importantly the TRAJECTORY of the bullets. You would think that a culture that watches so many TV shows about homicide investigations would understand this. It’s not like they don’t go through it on every other episode. [2] the number of witnesses, both black and white, who gave eyewitness testimony to the actual incident. Not what happened afterward but the actual incident starting with the cop pulling up and confronting Brown and his friend till the fatal shooting. Someone mentioned something I thought was interesting. With all the cellphones with cameras in them today why was there no footage? Many local people do not want to take video footage which proves the supposed victim is actually guilty of attacking a cop. They run out that footage real fast when it shows the cop committed cold blooded murder, like they did in Eric Gardeners Case even though it should have put that cop in jail for life for murder, I couldn’t believe it when I heard they cleared that murdering cop. If you watch the video closely you can even see that Eric Gardener was going cyanotic from lack of air and the cop wouldn’t even let go when Mr Gardener said he couldn’t breathe! What is wrong with that picture and where was the Black Lives Matter group for Mr. Gardener. Instead of defending a guilty man like Brown who attacked a cop, tried to grab his gun and then bull rushed the cop as if to take him down why did they not get involved in Eric’s case? [3] this is a little off the topic but why was Michael Browns friend NOT charged with perjury? They had him dead to rights. He was guilty and they just didn’t bother to go after him. He stood there and lied about everything that happened and filed a false police report. If the Black Lives Matter group was concerned for Black Lives they should be concerned with a Black Man who tells the cops a load of garbage which in turn led to the rioting and unrest in Ferguson which destroyed their town. Why did they not stop the vandals & looting, why didn’t they police their own, Why are they not concerned with Black Lives which are taken by Black cops or other Black community members. Change starts at home. Why are they not cleaning up their own communities. Black lives matter and not just the black lives you want to lay at the feet of white people.
          I am so tired of hearing this already. I don’t know what the answer is but we can’t keep going like we are. There’s gonna come a time when we are gonna have to learn to live together like the countrymen we are. There are new threats out there today. Things which divide us much more than who is a Democrat and who is a Republican, who is black and who is white or Asian or Hispanic. ISIS is now publishing picture of inside places of NYC telling us where they are going to strike next. Are we gonna just sit here and fight amongst ourselves?

          • kraz

            “How about some references to back that up?” I don’t need references to back that up. Those statistics and figures are available publicly. Also, every year a few k-9 “officers” are killed due to car accidents, shootings or stabbings from people that are being viciously and painfully attacked. Police add these dogs with police vests on as an officer further adding a few numbers to the relativity small amount of police killed every year. That’s right, they add killed police dogs to the number of police killed every year without clarifying this to the public. The dogs had no choice to put themselves in danger, more danger than police because they go in first to check an area out.
            I didn’t go through your whole post. I’m sorry, I simply do not have the time. I did see something about good cops. Yes, of course there are some very good people who become police officers. I have met a few of these people during my life. Some of these people went well above what was required of them to help me out and I will never forget them. In fact, I can still see their faces many years later. Make no mistake, these were by far the exception and not the rule. These were very rare police and as I told them so they seemed to know what I meant. They were not the usual cops who egotistically soak that kind of praise up but were aware of where I was coming from and one even told me there are still some good police out there in our nation and to have patience. This one also told me there would be a point where the good police need to work alongside non-LEOs. This was in the late 1990’s.
            I am not talking about the recent black lives matter movement. These people, both black and white seem to think that police killings of innocent or even guilty people that didn’t deserve to be beaten and killed is something new that’s only been going on for a year or two because of what they’ve been showed by the mainstream media. NO!! They couldn’t be further from the truth and it is not only black people being killed, beaten and imprisoned. This is what happens to people when they only watch the mainstream media or popular TV shows with bits of propaganda in it.
            Keeping track of our nation, politics, police and far more has been a passion of mine since I was 16 years old. I grew up extremely poor in very wealthy white suburbs as a child in a family where my father had died when I was very young. I was not a criminal but I saw the way the police treated me and my brother compared to our wealthy counterparts. I was intelligent with a college reading level in 5th grade.
            I later lived in North Philly aka “The Badlands” where I was by far a minority as a white person in a black, Puerto Rican, Dominican and black area. White people made up about 1.1% of the area for 40+ blocks in any direction.
            I was treated by police no different than my black and Hispanic friends and neighbors. I was constantly stopped and harassed. I was beaten by cops as they laughed. I was robbed of the little money I had by police. (There was no one to report this to.) I’ve had BS charges brought against me. I’ve had guns pointed at my head by police as they and their partners laughed. I’ve had threats that are too long to go into here brought against me by police and detectives.
            What I came to understand is that most police do not care about race or color. They are looking for people that don’t have the voice or power to do something about them.
            With everyone having cameras on their phone now, police and their unions are literally panicking. They cannot continue doing what they used to. They never know if they do something illegal, lie in a statement/report and then a video surfaces on YouTube a month later contradicting what they swore to even when this happens they almost always get away with it anyway.
            Americans need desperately to understand the problem in the US is not minorities. Minorities and mistreatment by the police are covered by the police. Just as many things are being done to white people that do not make the news. It doesn’t fit the agenda. You can discount this now but in another 5-10 years I promise, you will not be able to.

            All Lives matter! 99% of police do not care about race anymore. Look at the makeup of any city PD and you’ll see from the commissioner on down, a huge percentage of police and people in positions of power are not white, even in the country. It’s no longer about race, religion or color. It’s about classes of people no matter their color. The sooner people realize this, no matter what the mainstream media tells them, the better off we’ll all be. #thinkforyourself

            • Aylagh MacAnnadh

              I like your thinking. I can’t agree with everything you said but I can agree there are not the problems with race among police which people want to believe. Police departments in the cities at least are divers. It is definitely about the class you are in and not necessarily what class you are born into. I lived in DC for a year & I understand the feeling of being the different one. I lived in an all black neighborhood on Rhode Island Avenue. The one thing I have to say though is that once I was accepted I was the same as anyone there. The people I lived with, worked with & was and am good friends with to this day did not treat me differently based on the color of my skin. This country has a long way to go but when it comes to people being with people and knowing each other as individuals the problem lessens in my experience to a great degree. It is when you get into the ‘POLITICAL’ racial arena that there are problems and I really think a lot of it is fueled by people who have an additional agenda other than just racism. I’ve heard quite a bit about reparation, issues where there is the claim that slavery still exists, people who seem to be looking to GET SOMETHING or at least to put the blame on someone for the problems in their lives. They don’t seem to just want peace between the races, they want what seems to be some kind of ‘payback’ which they do not seem to understand is just not going to happen not because people don’t care or don’t want to help but because there isn’t a single person living today who had slaves or had anything to slavery into this country. They want to punish the children for the crimes of the parents. There are many people who’s ancestors, like my own were fighting their own battles for freedom and didn’t have any presence in the United States when slavery existed here.
              I don’t know how to put it but there seem to be a small but vocal percentage of people who do not want to accept any personal accountability for their own situation. People who feel it is OK to tear-up, loot, burn etc., their own neighborhoods because they are upset with something the police have done. Again, Rev Jonathan Gentry has some very good points to make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3Q5FcmESg ~ there are a number of other interviews with him & he makes a lot of sense. If you have a few minutes go to YouTube & watch his video’s. Very interesting & pretty much a lot of what you are saying.
              God Bless

              • kraz

                I watched the video and checked out his YT channel. Thanks, he has a lot of good things to say.
                You wrote “This country has a long way to go but when it comes to people being with
                people and knowing each other as individuals the problem lessens in my
                experience to a great degree.” That is so true and is my experience as well.

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    • Alex Rice

      “Although police advocates claim the frequent use of force is necessary to protect officers from a highly dangerous job, the statistics don’t seem to back this up. The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reported that 25 officers were killed by gunfire so far in 2015, with the Officer Down Memorial Pagenoting that two of those deaths came from accidental discharge of their firearms.” … Perhaps it’s BECAUSE police have used lethal force that this statistic is so low, VALIDATING the claim that the frequent use of force is necessary to protect officers. To me, the statistics back this up 100%!

      • Shane

        Exactly. Low police mortality is a good thing. The spin in this article is absurd.

        STOP BREAKING THE LAW.

    • Christopher Steven Day

      The relative disparity of these numbers should not impress us at all. What sort of world would we have to live in for the numbers of civilians killed by police to be near the number of police killed by civilians, even in small magnitudes? We’d have to live in a militarized one with a more equal citizen to police ratio. And police would have to be more careless: they are trained and equipped to be more expert at lethal confrontation than the populations they serve, after all, so why shouldn’t we expect that their casualties would be the lesser?

      These numbers are alarming, all around. Though the relative magnitude of unarmed civilian deaths gives us a picture of the excessive force problem, the relatively low number of police deaths doesn’t do the inverse and tell us that there’s nothing to see here.

      There’s room for partisanship on both sides. Trying to prove the cop deaths negligible is as blinkered as calling the civilian deaths inevitable.

      • Shane

        Some level of civilian deaths IS inevitable. That’s the issue. People keep spinning and spinning and spinning trying to create a problem all out of proportion to the real problem.

        We should ALWAYS be looking to make police work better and safer for the police AND for the civilian population, but people who deal constantly with criminals are not ever going to have statistics that match up with the rest of society, and having to confront criminals all the time puts police in the unique position of having to tell the difference between a dangerous person and a person who is no danger, sometimes with only fractions of a second to make the determination.

        Police need training, but so do regular, everyday people. We have ceased to train people to behave themselves and begun to train people to purposefully misbehave.

        • JML

          Who exactly is training civilians to misbehave? What are your standards of good behavior when dealing with armed and dangerous police officers? You say that civilian deaths are inevitable, but why are they inevitable? Furthermore, why do police almost always get nothing more than a slap on the wrist for committing homicides even when there is clear evidence of wrongdoing?

          • John

            The way (most) use of lethal force by the police laws are written, it’s the prosecution’s burden to establish that lethal force was not justified. Civilians, on the other hand, have the burden to show that lethal force used in self-defense was justified. The sole reason for the differing standard is because we (as society) are putting the police into situations whereby the evidence needed to prove the use of lethal force was justified may not be available to them.

    • JB Smith

      That is not even close to the number of people murdered by police. Check out “American Terrorism” “Virginia to Test The Active Denial System” in rifle form. Check out William and Mary’s assessment of ADS. It enables torture. With it they can induce a heart attack. There was a 16 year old that had a heart attack induced and died in Chesapeake Virginia.. There was a 44 year old man that was in court when they induced a heart attack and murdered him right in front of a judge in Newport News, VA.. The medical examiner knows the difference between an induced heart attack and a natural one, but most people don’t know the technology exists. I imagine the number is well into the thousands.

    • ReligionIsPoison

      Of the 161 unarmed persons killed, I subtracted the 36 that were killed with a tazer, as tazers are intended to be non-lethal (sometimes they are not, obviously). For a total of 125 civilians (44 of whom were black) to 26 officers. All of these numbers are too high but it doesn’t seem like the epidemic/race war that the media/fanatics on either side of the issue are making it out to be. That said, people need to stop shooting each other. Compulsory body cameras for police officers would probably help bring all of these numbers down. Be safe out there, everyone.

      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

      http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/

      • ReligionIsPoison

        And for the race-baiters: Where murder is concerned, most blacks are killed by other blacks and most whites are killed by whites.

        http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2015/may/21/updated-look-statistics-black-black-murders/

        • Conrad C Weist

          Say something new that you have not heard said by someone else. An idiot is a person who can not think for himself.. plus you are just so way off the topic.

          • ReligionIsPoison

            And what are your thoughts on the subject, idiot? Mine come directly from FBI statistics.

            • The Real

              Im black and I agree with everything you said here. However, I knew you were truly smart when I read your username. 🙂

    • Brian

      “police officer not even among the country’s 10 most dangerous professions”. As if that makes it acceptable.

      Is being killed on the job the only criteria used to determine “dangerous”? How many police are shot and survived? How many police were shot at, but not hit? How many police were battered? More elementary journalism.

      • John

        Calling the article ‘elementary’ is an insult to elementary students.
        Most 5th graders would ask how many of those armed 582 suspects
        would have killed the cop if the cop didn’t kill the suspect first.

      • Conrad C Weist

        And it would be less dangerous if people were not fearful of them. Ot has to end.

    • Digmen1

      So the police killed 615 people who were armed!

    • Robert Munro

      When the people fear the government…….There is tyranny.

      When the government fears the people…….There is Liberty.

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    • PigStateNews

      At least 794 people have been killed by U.S. police since January 1, 2015.
      At least 1,106 were killed in 2014.
      At least 2,668 have been killed since May 1, 2013.
      killedbypolice.net

    • TecumsehUnfaced

      To make matters even worse, we have our police being trained by Israelis to treat us like the Israelis treat Palestinians.

      http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/us-police-get-antiterror-training-israel-privately-funded-trips

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=police+training+by+Israel