VIDEO: 33 Police Officers Fire 600 Bullets into Car Knowing It Contained a Hostage, Killing Her

The attorney for the family of Misty Holt-Singh spoke at a press conference, questioning the police department’s actions.
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    A female hostage kidnapped during a Northern California bank robbery was killed by police in an ensuing chase and shootout, likely during a final gun battle where the lone surviving suspect used her as a human shield, authorities said Monday.

    The results of a preliminary ballistics report show that police in the city of Stockton fired the 10 bullets that struck Misty Holt-Singh, 41, and all her wounds likely came during a final burst of gunfire, Stockton Police Chief Eric Jones said at a news conference.



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    • Joe Guzman

      The Bank is closing and moving out of the neighborhood, probably all Democrat voters in the infested area

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    • Umpire_Sam

      I bet if it would have been a Police Captains wife being held hostage the police would not have shot !

      • Tom Buyea — Fla.News service

        He may have ordered them to ? ! ?

    • Sarah Winterbloom

      saying all police are bad is like saying all blacks are no good you cant paint all of them with the same brush I have family that are cops and family that is black and both are wrongly judged .yes there are some that make the other look bad but stop putting them all in one basket .

      • making_pie

        DIE

        • Gary Canterbury

          there are no good cops. there are bad cops (and many, many of them) and other cops who know what the bad cops are doing but who say nothing; which makes them accessories either during or after the fact and enters them into a CONSPIRACY. My dad was a cop who didn’t put up with bad cops. The ‘thin blue line’ immediately becomes a ‘thick blue noose’ for anyone that tries to do the right thing-because there is no honor among thieves.

        • Sarah Winterbloom

          yea why don’t you

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    • Ty

      599 bullets were warning shots. The 600th was a “magic bullet” aka JFK

    • Vietprincess80

      Cops need to pay for the lawsuit personally. Taxpayers should not be paying for this bullshit!

    • judy

      By the way Im from stockton and this place is a shithole..Our police are fucked up!

    • judy

      why dont you look up the innocent Brown on youtube beating up a senior citizen. he was a bully.

    • jester10

      I can absolutely
      begin to witness the downfall of these United States right here in not only the
      video story but equally so in the following comments of the posted authors.

      This is
      an extremely tragic story about one of our American sister’s living out her
      last moments of life in pure Hell at the hands of an antagonistic, demented, hostile
      person who’s been driven to this point by steps. All are born innocent, ill-fated
      incidences through time or by choice brings us to what we presently become.

      One
      author writes in the post, “only criminals lie,” I say this is definitely a lie. This would be just as to
      say, only poor people pass wind. We all lie, I lie. Small or big lies we have
      all lied and I will be the first to admit my guilt on this topic. But of course
      this is not the topic, is it?

      I will
      not usually comment on other comments but as I mentioned, it is the comments which
      I feel display the gross behavior America as a whole has become over the past
      twenty five years.

      As the
      postings continued I had yet to read any mention with regards for the pain her
      child and husband would be now experiencing for the remainder of their lives. I
      lost a wife and a child, and for me, from my own personal experience I have
      lived in pain for over thirty years.

      To
      demonstrate my words have validity it was necessary to post a few of the author’s
      postings such as the preceding one and the one below. It has become the
      careless disregard for life itself as we have seen demonstrated so many times
      in the civilian population, the law enforcement community and now here by the way we discuss the tragic
      end of this women’s life itself.

      This next
      post was the thirteenth post down and followed in suite as the author felt he had
      to correct the previous author’s posted miss-spelling. It appears all this person wanted to do had been to use
      their time to feel superior over another when in fact all this person really succeeded
      in doing was to lower themselves to a substandard grade.

      Believe it
      or not this author had posted the below posting correcting the spelling of
      another author’s posted spelling. And instead of discussing the topic, these authors
      could do nothing other than to be-little, critic and write jokes while this
      family, or what’s left of it while this family suffers dearly.

      Here is
      the actual post of, ROID ROGERS; Spelling Bee or
      not, its hard to take a comment seriously when the writer cant
      even spell

      Corrections; (Spacing at the front ; Spelling
      should be…….; Spelling ) ( its, must have an apostrophe,
      it’s meaning it is or it was) (cant
      must have an apostrophe, meaning ,
      cannot) ( No Period) does this mean there’s more to come? Should I hold my
      breath? Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel?

      Fact Is, not a thing now matters but this
      child who lives without a mother for life, a women/mother/wife who lost her
      life in a most terrible and gross manner and a husband who lost his wife, his
      friend, his partner.

      America each day is showing its true colors,
      I loved this country, I have been here so very long . Many, many decades I have
      been here and now I see the police shoot us daily while I see criminals rob us daily.

      Anyone
      can critic me by going to one of my sites starting at http://www.marlothomas1.com

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    • tulet

      What are you going to do when Officer Wilson is “No Billed” for the justified shooting of Michael Brown? How many cases does the DOJ put in it’s sights when there is violence against blacks by other races, as opposed to how many cases it takes up against blacks committing violence against other races?

    • Oingo Boingo

      Daylight Savings Time ends soon…
      and I’m still delighted that L’il Mikey Brown, Trayvon Martin and Vonderritt Fatherlessboog are dead.
      The only thing that would be better is that there are another 1000, a day, of their fellow Hood Rats sent to undertakers or bait processors…until they’re all gone.

      That would be A Good Thing.

    • larry

      you base yours on a white cop has the right to shoot a black man if the boy were white you would be on his side . you just hate BLACK people
      the evidence says MURDER , and the cops won’t release it

      • Matt Davidson

        how typical of dumbass sacks of shit like you to resort to “oh you hate blacks” wrong dumbass I hate anybody that fucks their lives up be being stupid pieces of shit and then blames the cops for it I don’t give a shit about skin color. you could be purple have one eye, a horn and wings and I still wouldn’t give a shit unless you are a dumb piece of shit that gets in trouble then blames others for you being a shitbag.

        • larry

          you AWF angry white folks always it’s not race , but it is ALWAYS ABOUYT RACE In AMERICA , ALWAYS

          • Matt Davidson

            you are a retarded useless sack of shit

            • larry

              coming from you that is a compliment , Thanks

              • Matt Davidson

                wow you must be on sad pathetic sack of shit if that was a compliment.

                • larry

                  when a pathetic person calls you pathetic that’s a compliment

                  • Matt Davidson

                    you just went full retard. ALL shitbags like you are the same you don’t like whats going on then do something about it instead of whining like all cry baby fags do. but that’s right you won’t instead you will just sit in your moms basement naked rubbing shit and food all over yourself while watching videos of cops.

                    • larry

                      GOP loves STUPID , they love you

                      • Matt Davidson

                        actually you are talking about yourself since I don’t associate with any party. you however truly are a useless, retarded sack of shit. go do something instead of being a whining shitbag that doesn’t have the courage to actually do something like run for office. pieces of shit like you do nothing but whine you don’t do anything you just sit at home. go kill yourself.

                      • larry

                        your mother should have washed your potty mouth out with soap

                      • Matt Davidson

                        so pathetic. dumb sacks of shit like you should have been drowned at birth, oh wait that would mean there would be no politicians.

                      • larry

                        hateful and violent , but would pee his pants if some YO stopped him
                        typical impotent AngryWhiteMan

                      • Matt Davidson

                        some YO? WTF is that? retard for I’m too retarded to use English?

                      • larry

                        Yo – slang for a street thug

                      • Matt Davidson

                        I’d gut him like the pig he is and leave him there it bleed out. you fail retard.

                      • larry

                        AWM like you always talk tough on the Internet but are meek and quiet face to face

                      • Matt Davidson

                        oh that so cute that you think I am any different in person or that a retard thinks a piece of shit thug is some kind of badass. I have NO problem with gutting, skinning and wearing a piece of shit thugs head as a hat.

                      • larry

                        just another impotent AngryWhiteMan

                      • Matt Davidson

                        oh that so cute that you think I am any different in person or that a retard thinks a piece of shit thug is some kind of badass. I have NO problem with gutting, skinning and wearing a piece of shit thugs head as a hat.

                      • Matt Davidson

                        oh that so cute that you think I am any different in person or that a retard thinks a piece of shit thug is some kind of badass. I have NO problem with gutting, skinning and wearing a piece of shit thugs head as a hat.

                      • Matt Davidson

                        all that will happen is your steet thugs head will be my hat your mistake is thinking I have a problem with killing piece of shit street trash.

                      • larry

                        I think you are a silly white fool that would last 5 minutes on the street

                      • Matt Davidson

                        then you are a retard. your little street shitbags are not as tough as you like to think they are.

                      • larry

                        no they are not tough at all and neither are you

                      • Matt Davidson

                        im a hell of a lot tougher then your street shitbags or anybody you know so you lose dumbass.

                      • larry

                        soft and stupid

                      • Matt Davidson

                        trying to insult me by describing yourself doesn’t work dumbass.

                      • Matt Davidson

                        describing yourself to try and insult me doesn’t work.

                      • Matt Davidson

                        telling me about you, way to go at failing.

                      • larry

                        I am ignoring your dumb butt , go play with yourself

                      • Matt Davidson

                        all that will happen is your steet thugs head will be my hat your mistake is thinking I have a problem with killing piece of shit street trash.

                      • Matt Davidson

                        all that will happen is your steet thugs head will be my hat your mistake is thinking I have a problem with killing piece of shit street trash

                      • Matt Davidson

                        all that will happen is your steet thugs head will be my hat your mistake is thinking I have a problem with killing piece of shit street trash

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    • Cindy Bishop

      Let’s face facts…We know many police officers lie, assault, murder, rape, file false reports, provide false testimony etc. etc. what would stop them from tampering with the evidence they have had in their possession for over a month? Why couldn’t they simply take officer Wilsons gun or any gun and fire it inside the patrol car before it’s tested for forensic evidence? And aren’t the forensic people part of law enforcement? What motive do they have to prove the police wrong? NONE! That’s the same thing as one cop turning another cop in for wrongdoing and we all know what happened to officer Dorner for doing that very thing….He’s dead now, burned alive by cops… I believe . If the people really understood the criminal goings on with law enforcement we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    • heman

      The whole department needs to be dismantled and sued, not taking from taxpayers anymore. All police departments need to be held accountable for all abuses of force. Take resources and fundings from these scum.
      The people will no longer put up with these travesties of gross, ill justices. Time to fire and jail these steroid scum on drugs. The citizens are way more responsible with guns than these clowns. It is time for the public to arm themselves just in case.

    • heman

      Hopefully all bad cop/pigs reap what they sow. Thanks for taking this little girl’s mother away you assholes!!!!!!
      This makes people never trust a pig ever again. I guess federally printed phony money was worth it. If you punks are that afraid to protect innocent hostages, then hang up the badge. It should have been you scum protecting her, not murdering her. Sick to my guts. I will never trust another pig who works for this crony government arm of fake corporate laws.

    • pabb
      • ursafan40

        You’re kidding right? The only thing missing is the red baseball cap. And that’s even with the worst cell phone photo image I’ve ever seen.

    • pabb
    • Letem Dangle

      What the hell?

    • Numbnuts

      This happens because her name is Singh and not Singer.

    • KGKING

      Disgusting!!

    • James Justice

      Maybe next time they will take a police officer hostage. I wonder if they would spray the car with bullets and kill one of their own. They are so stupid and must be held accountable. This was manslaughter plain and simple.

    • Sandy

      Bad enough that the incident took place with an over-reactive police force on steroids. Even more disturbing is the pale response from the Chief of police who assured the family that the findings would be transparent. They already are! What are they going to do to prevent the killing of an innocent hostage by police when standard protocols were clearly not followed or understood? How many bad guys were there? Who was in charge? What are they going to do FOR a grieving family?

    • Those cops are totally irresponsible and ought to be fired as a consequence of their poor decision making.

      • Aranyani

        Fired? How about tried for murder like the disgusting lunatic bunch of thugs they are.

        • Identify the bullets that did the kill, and try the shooters of those ten bullets

    • J Alvizo

      Tell me something new!!!

    • quickened

      Which reminds me, did they even hit the suspect? LOL My condolences to the woman’s family…

    • quickened

      600 bullets, just shows their sub-par mentality! I mean, I believe in getting “your man” but this is just ludicrous, and we have to live around these idiots!

    • Daniel Barger

      When you allow the insanity of qualified immunity to persist the badgemonkeys have zero incentive to control themselves. The lunatic concept that just because they wear a badge means they should not be held criminally and financially liable for piss poor decision making is why this type of conduct persists. Every other profession faces personal liability and risk for incompetence and blatantly poor decision making. Badgemonkeys need to be held to the same standards as everyone else. Shiny badges should NEVER grant special privilege or immunity.

    • Nicole Wilson

      Sick. Why was it necessary to fire on this suspect? All the article says is that this was a bank robbery and kidnapping, nothing about the suspect shooting anyone. When a hostage is involved the focus should be on saving the hostage, not merely stopping the suspect. A human life is worth more then a capture.

    • Brian

      The question would be how many bullets hit the suspect? 600 shots shows the cops in Stockton need to get to the firing range more often….that’s pathetic!

    • funtyme007

      600 rounds fired into a car with a known hostage inside? Somehow I remember all these movies of cops on the gun ranges being taught NOT to fire when there’s a hostage! In the 1930s FBI Director Edgar Hoover ordered the assassination of the top criminals Bonnie and Clyde and they were massacred by FBI agents who shot them 100 times with machine guns.What words can be used to describe this? I guess the people of that community should be grateful there aren’t more people dead as a result of stray bullets.

    • inthewind

      Wow, The Police State is this screwed up? They need to have there guns taken away before they hurt themselves! Wonder if they can tie there own shoe laces? 600 rounds, I mean really man how fracking stupid can they get?

    • John Smith

      C’mon people. These heroes in blu have a tough enough job 2 do protecting your a/s/s/ wit out some civilian gettin in the way. The woman killed should of not been their, and she would of still be alive. An as four 600 bullets, if dats what it took to stop the criminal, then that is jest fine and dandy in my book!
      The crinimal was prolly a conservitard anyway!

      • quickened

        Please, oh please! May you be the next bystander at a robbery that gets shot!!! She was a kidnapped hostage you idiot!

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    • Always Right

      Blacks will always defend blacks, right or wrong. Genetics make them this way, they are tribal people…… you can take the black man out of the jungle, but you can’t take the jungle out of the black man……PERIOD!!!!

    • tim thompson

      murder these cops back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • tim thompson

      why aren’t they in jail for murder?

    • ted L

      It is obvious that none of you has ever been a police officer involved in a shooting incident or in combat. 10 hits out of 600 rounds is about right under the conditions the cops were in. I agree that there should have been a better way to handle this situation.

      • Marine Scout Sniper

        And it’s real obvious you’ve never been in combat.
        What “conditions”? If you consider 10 out of 600 hits “about right” and you want to tell me you were a “police officer”, you were in a “shooting incident”, and you saw combat, then I will tell you, it is obvious you were one lousy ass cop, and a fucking liar.
        As for myself? Yeah, I saw combat. Vietnam 1967-1968. Quang Nam Province. Ashau Valley, Arizona Territory, Charlie Ridge, Dog Patch, Quang Tri, etc., etc., etc.
        Oh, I forgot to mention, 3 Purple Hearts.
        There “target” was in full view. They had a full frontal, “horizontal landscape”. Who are you trying to shit. In ‘Nam the “grunts” 0311, rarely saw their enemy. You fired back to the area you were receiving fire from. These phony 33 cops had there “target” in full view, and still decided to fire knowing there was a hostage in harms way. The way you spew your bullshit I’m sure you would have done the same thing, you pussy. They should ALL be charged with MURDER. I think that’s pretty “obvious”.

        God, Country, Corps.
        Semper Fi.

        • quickened

          Right on man! What a disgusting bunch of pukes. Thanks for your service BTW. 33 against 1 and they kill a hostage, what the HELL!

          • Marine Scout Sniper

            quickened,

            YOUR POST: “Thanks for your service BTW”
            Thank you, “quickened”, for your comment. I really do appreciate your thoughtful words.
            And yes, I agree, this is definitely DISGUSTING!

            God, Country, Corps
            Semper Fi.

    • Frank Matyus

      I am sure she would be alive today had we enforced the Immigration law, thats just a racist comment by me

    • Carol Vanhorn

      I pray for the family it is a sad thing to have a loved one killed by trigger finger happy cops i sure would hate to become a hostage there ,may the family find peace .

    • cha ching

      another mass shooting in america

    • rick dogood

      We give police the right to bear arms without ensuring individual officers proficiency to use them.
      It is a well-know fact that police fire randomly during gunfights since the Philadelphia ‘Africa’ family siege where they burnt down a neighborhood to hide how many adjacent housing were peppered with bullet holes
      In this latest gunfight it is now public information that out of 600 bullets fired 10 struck and killed the lone hostage; but HOW MANY struck the criminal?
      It is time politicians enact a law demanding police have marksman or better proficiency BEFORE being allowed to carry a gun.

    • Lou

      A Human life does not mean anything to these Cops anywhere In this nation. This is not to be believed. Cops use the gun instead of the any part of their brain. This is 33 Cops that should not be allowed to carry anything sharp. There must Not be any training for these pitiful subjects except at the firing range. This hostage’s life meant nothing to these morons.

    • FakeOne Dust

      I cannot believe how many dumb people are police officers.

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    • me

      quit the hate. too many criminals man. white black who care quit keeping score. a criminal is a criminal. dammit stop protecting them.

    • Jesse James

      Our prayers and sympathy go out to the family and especially the two children. May all of you find inner strength, peace and contentment during this time of confusion and disbelief. May God bless you all…

    • andor_2001

      No amount of money is worth a life!

    • adam smith

      You know republicans all love this because she wasn’t White so to them it’s one less Hillary voter.

    • Jesse James

      Look at all of the comments not about this article but, about Ferguson. How did 50 or so of you get on that subject instead of the news about a hostage that lost her life because of irresponsible shooting? Geez…

    • Daniel

      Havent seen that kind of shoot out since I was young and saw the original Bonnie and Clyde at the movies.

    • Lizard

      Stop calling them policmen. They are butcherers.

    • Jesse James

      Now that was overkill. Why would you endanger the hostage’s life and her safety along with other citizens? I understand the shooting wildly by the kidnappers and bank robbers but, wasn’t the police acting just as irresponsible? It appears they need more practice at the range. My God, 600 rounds, wow!

    • ursafan40

      If any part of this is true , and I’m guessing the basic facts are, it’s inexcusable.
      No ifs, ands or buts. 33 officers need to be investigated.

    • Doug23

      Give the cops a break. Being a cop is a tough job, so we grant our police officers a lot of latitude. That’s an American tradition, to support our police officers whom we respect and love as a symbol of our beloved democracy. Americans are a free people, and we can thank our police and military for that.

      • ursafan40

        Being a Cop is a tough job, you are correct. But they serve the people. That includes one individual hostage. I grew up with Cops, have Family and friends who are cops , and I will ask them, but I can’t , right now see any justification for this woman’s death.
        There is a reason they are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

      • KWMerican

        No. Give citizens a break. Enough of this wild-west spraying bullets at everything that moves and constantly saying “I was in fear of my life” for any and every thing. These guys are just too excited to be able to fire their weapons when the opportunity arises and need to be brought under control.

    • Mark Emilio Fleener

      Someone needs to put these cops out of our misery! I hate you all with everything that I am, and you will fight me to the death cause that’s all you ever do, hurt people!

    • locken27

      Does it really matter where the other 590 bullets went? This lady was murdered by the police, police that are suppose to Protect and Serve. Not only was it excessive but they broke the protocol of pursuit! Seriously, I am not impressed…..

    • eyelostmyname

      I believe it. I don’t worry about foreign terrorists nearly as much as I worry about cops with attitudes. I’m not crazy. I have my priorities straight.

    • John Milton

      She had other than pale white skin. In their minds, there was no reason to exercise care or attempt to protect the hostage.

    • KIA COP

      Go get em Frein!

    • Steve J Dannunzio

      Was she black? Wheres the Riots?

    • Jimbob

      People READ! They fired 600 shots and 10 hit the hostage. The hostage wasn’t the target. Maybe he had the other 590 holes in him! Holy shit, read and reread articles before you comment please.

    • JD

      Actually 600 rounds were fired over the term of a long pursuit which consisted of several exchanges between officers and robbery suspects. The suspects were armed with fully automatic and semi automatic assault rifles. It’s unfortunate that the hostage was killed, but the police have a greater obligation to the entire public.

    • Titoknows

      Cops are ANIMALS!!

    • Titoknows

      Cops will get theirs!!!

    • james

      Murder by cops. They have the bag , so they can murder any one any time . And they do. What do you think they would say if some one fired 600 rounds into there station because they wonted to kill one prisoner ?

    • Titoknows

      Cops will kill a Citizen over a law that doesn’t even apply to the Citizen!!!! I am NOT, nor have I EVER

      been incorporated!!!!

    • Titoknows

      Murdering innocent Citizens…..The Nazi’s are at it AGAIN!!!!

    • Titoknows

      This is why Cops SHOULDN’T have Military style weapons!!!!

    • guest

      Barney Fife must have opened a police academy….Intellegent tactics from Amuricuz finest! Yuk Yuk Yee Haw!

    • Keith A Hoffmann

      The message here is, with Law Enforcement ‘on edge’ with the state of affairs in our Country, DON’T TRY AND ROB BANKS!

    • ERIC N

      WHO CARES THE ROBBERS CAUSED IT !!! I GET SO TIRED OF THESE BULL SHIT LAW SUITS THE CRIMINALS ARE THE ONE,S WHO CAUSED HER DEATH

    • Raymond

      Let’s have the names and addresses of all of these officers so we can let them know how we feel. Are the officers still working the streets? Let’s have their pictures and unit numbers.

    • Raymond

      The amount of bullets average 18.19 per officer. That means that each officer had to reload at least once during this murder. This was premeditated and is clearly murder one. They violated policy in order to murder these bank robbers and the fact that there was an innocent person in the car had no bearing on their conscience decision. All of these officers that fired should be tried on first degree murder. The chief of police should be among them as they hang. He knew or should have known that there were this many psychopaths on his force. They are extremely lucky that it was not my wife murdered in that car. Because when the cops murder people then there is NO LAW. It is survival of the fittest and they would lose. There is no excuses for them. They have crossed the line as far as I am concerned. The cops broke so many laws doing this. I am curious to see what the DA is going to do about it. If it were a black woman these cps would already be swinging by the neck until dead, dead, dead. As it should be.

    • joe

      May be the police should not be able to carry . they seam to have no respect for the general public.

    • Steve Walsh

      There should be 33 former cops in Stockton tomorrow and 33 new inmates in State prison.

    • pete

      usual dross. American cops just blasting there way through everything. No respect for anything. Sad America full of gun touting idiots.

    • Edward Bean Jr

      It is a crying shame may God bless the family for there lost.

    • justlookingutube

      You cannot disprove this! “WHITE/CAUCASIAN” (EDOM/ESAU) are the seed
      of the Devil and they, most of them, hate “blacks…” (ISRAEL/JEWS)
      FACT!
      And before you DEVILS start saying lies and VERY BAD JOKE’S READ FOR A FEW MINUTES AND FIND OUT WHO YOU ARE IN THE BIBLE!

      ***********!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***********IF
      YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE KJV IT WILL BE A BIT POINTLESS TO
      ADDRESS THIS POST AND DEBATE, CAUSE I WILL REFER TO THE BIBLE KJV TO
      BACK UP HISTORY AND POINT FOR THE MOST
      PART*****************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*****************

      1st will understand who Esau/Edom is! (1 of 2 Done!)
      2ndThen Israel in full! (2 of 2 Not done)

      Prove the word of GOD wrong; you will not be able too! KJV BIBLE ALL DAY!

      1) To have blonde hair (this is normal in the “white/Caucasian”
      nation) is a curse (Leviticus 13:29-30 to the point, but read 29-39).
      Being/Having “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” skin is a curse (Numbers 12:10-12).
      Israel will never be “white” (Isaiah 29:22). “Whites” are Esau/Edom,
      This shows how “whites” look! (Genesis 25:25-26, 27:11)
      2) If
      someone was to do a IMAGE search of, “RED (Skin) AND HAIRY PEOPLE,
      REDNECKS, NATURALLY ROSY CHEEKS”. What people/race… would come up?
      Esau is the “brother” of Jacob/Israel (“blacks”) in the Bible. Esau/Edom
      HATES Jacob with a forever hate! And the Bible states in a clear manner
      that the earth is given into the hands of the WICKED (Job 9:24)
      “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” Edom/Esau; what nation of people rule the earth right
      now?, “WHITES/CAUCASIAN ” Edom/Esau. What did some of you find when you
      searched? And remember Esau HATES Israel (Genesis 27 41-45 Amos 1:11
      Ezekiel 35:5 …). “WHITE” people are RED AND HAIRY! FACT! LOOK IT UP! I
      don’t know what you BLIND lairs found, but I found “”WHITE/CAUCASIAN ”
      Edom/Esau” people, who really are red and pink in there skin and hairy!

      3) The “”WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” Edom/Esau” have always hated “blacks”…
      (some of the “whites” don’t act on this as much, but most do!) (Psalm
      83:4 main point. But read 83:1-8). God (Hayah) knows of the evils of
      Edom/Esau and will cast judgment down unto “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” Edom/Esau
      (Amos 1:11, Ezekiel 35:5, Psalm 13:7 [read 137:1-9], Psalm 58:3, 9) God
      made the “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” Edom/Esau nation wicked and they are not the
      same manner (behavior) as the Jews “blacks…” (Ecclesiastes 7: 13,
      Genesis 25:23). “WHITES/CAUCASIAN “Edom/Esau” are not like Israel
      (“blacks…”), which is shown in Genesis 25:23 shows we are not the same
      and we are stronger then the “whites” Edom/Esau.
      4) The
      “whites” have made it seem that they are the Jews and they even give it
      away they call themselves “JEW-ISH (What does “ish” mean: in likeness to
      the original). They took the image of the Jews while we were in
      complete slavery (remember it was law that Negro’s could not read, now
      why is that!) and stole it and act as if they are the Jews. Read Job
      8:24, 1 Maccabees 3:48. So now you know that the “whites” like to dress
      up as “black”… Jews, hear what God has to say about the FAKE Jews;
      Revelation 2:9 (Are the Jew-ISH “whites” poor? NO!), Revelation 3:9.

      5) Who brought “Blacks” (Israel) [Now Israel did stop following
      God and got judged for it, but Esau went over with the punishment of
      Israel!] into slavery? Ham the Africans [“black” people you are NOT
      AFRICAN/HAM] (Zondervan’s Compact Bible Dictionary: Ham – The youngest
      son of Noah, born probably about 96 years before the Flood; and one of
      eight persons to live through the Flood. He became the progenitor
      (father) of the dark races; not the Negroes, but the Egyptians,
      Ethiopians, Libyans and Canaanites.)
      Exodus 11:7 But against any of
      the children of Israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or
      beast: that ye may know how that the Lord doth put a difference between
      the Egyptians and Israel.
      6) And lets not forget the nation
      who not only brought Israel into slavery via SLAVE SHIPS, but also and
      not limited to beat, killed, raped, exploited…. The “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ”
      nation Edom/Esau! Israel (“blacks…”) were sold to Esau/Edom as slaves
      (Psalm 106:41, Judges 2:14, Deuteronomy 28:32). Deuteronomy 28:68,
      Exodus 20:2 (Egypt mean bondage: Bible Dictionary – Bondage
      definition-of Israel in Egypt (Ex. 2:23, 25; 5), which is called the
      “house of bondage” (13:3; 20:2). This word is used also with reference
      to the captivity in Babylon (Isa. 14:3), and the oppression of the
      Persian king (Ezra 9:8, 9).)
      7) No other nation is like Israel
      and go through what Israel (“blacks” go through! God is only the God of
      Israel, God’s sheep. Jesus was ONLY sent for Israel and to remind
      Israel of the law that was only given to Israel (Deuteronomy 33:29, Amos
      9:9, Matthew 15:24, Amos 9:14, 2 Corinthians 5:18, Matthew 25:33-40,
      John 10:27:10:11, Psalm 103:7, 100:3, Deuteronomy 6:4 + 7:1-8, Psalm
      147:19-20).
      8) Israel will rule after Edom/ Esau fall (2
      Esdras 6:8-9). I should and have the right to be mad at this wicked
      “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” system (Ecclesiastes 7:7). Israel will have peace
      after the “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” system is no more (Isaiah 14:3 + 1-2).

      9) All nations are not to be together and Israel (Jesus Sheep) are
      not to be leaving with the heathen (Goats/Edom/Esau…) nations
      (Deuteronomy 32:8, Matthew 25:32, Isaiah 13:14, Amos 9:9, this is
      addressed to Israel the “blacks…” 2 Corinthians 6:17, Isaiah 13:14.

      10) God will make the “WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” system of America… fall
      from the TOP! (Isaiah 14:12 + 14:15, Revelation 13:10). Lucifer (Not
      talking about Satan) seems to be a MAN (Isaiah 14:16, than back to
      14:12)!”WHITES/CAUCASIAN” in outer space mocking God, the eagle has
      landed (Isaiah 14:13, Obadiah 1:4)! The other nations will mock Esau in
      America… when they fall! Because they POLICE/RULE the earth (Isaiah
      14:10 + 16-17)! PLUS READ ALL OF OBADIAH TO FIND OUT THE END RESULT FOR
      EDOM/ESAU/”WHITE/CAUCASIAN ” SYSTEM!
      11) Edom/Esau (Goats)
      are going into slavery for their wicked ways (Amos 9:12, Obadiah 1:17,
      Revelation 13:10, 2 Samuel 8:14, Jeremiah 30:16, Matthew 25:41-46).
      Okay, so what did God say would happen if a nation put another nation in
      slavery Revelation 13:10. EDOM/ESAU/”WHITE/CAUCASIAN” does all this
      EVIL and what do they say,We do no wrong, Israel has left the laws of
      their God! Zechariah 11:5, Jeremiah 50:7, Psalm 83:4.

      All thanks to Hayah!

      Shalom Israel!

    • Richard Baker

      a prime example of cops using excessive force a law suit nah if it were my family It would be a war!!!!!!!!

    • Mr. G

      OH MY GOD…… HAVE WE BECOME SAVAGES TOO…..

    • EssentialOhsawa

      The Police are trained COWARDS. They shoot non aggressive tail wagging dogs ALL THE TIME. It is put into the heads of Police cadets that going home safe and sound at the end of their shift is the MOST important aspect of their high salary and high benefits career. For the most part these are immature grown children running around with guns and badges while hiding behind powerful unions.

    • JohnnyReb

      Thank you officers……………hostages will be considered; but that’s it…………

    • Morgan Blair

      I suppose we can rest assured that 2 of the 3 robbers will not be making the dumb mistake of robbing another bank. As well as the hostage will not be making the dumb mistake of being taken by robbers. Tax dollars well spent. There are definitely some lessons to be learned here.

    • Morgan Blair

      Murder pure and simple. Apparently, they might have missed their mark a time or two. What about ricochets ? What about innocent citizens, trying to make it through another day of life unconscious of the wild west shoot-em-up, heading their way. What is the cost of cross-fire, and friendly-fire in the eyes of justice? If you can blame the robbers actions on drugs or whatever, what are the actions of the cops to be justified with ? Doing their job?

      • Okay_But_First_Chi_Chi

        Morgan, she was an innocent citizen just trying to make it through her day. If the cops knowing she was in the car fired 600 rounds, then they sure as heII didn’t care about innocent citizens.

    • Bob Loblaw

      Spend a few trillion to stop these terrorists.

    • Jack Strelling

      If she was kidnapped by a n****r, she was already dead anyway.

      • Okay_But_First_Chi_Chi

        Speaking of already dead, what caused your brain death?

    • donicker

      I am a white male 46 years old and if I charge a cop for any reason rough him up a bit and then charge him again I deserve to be shot PERIOD! Am I racist? Yes and we all are we just have to quit pretending were not for real. Blacks don’t like whites and whites don’t like blacks it will always be that way! This however had nothing to do with racism and everything to do with being very stupid and he paid for it.

      • Belinda Priest

        So the innocent hostage deserved to be shot 10 times? Did you read the article?

        • donicker

          Talking about Brown and Darron Wilson.

    • james ross

      M.D.K to all law enforcement.Remember big mike.R.I.P. my brother.

    • lll

      What in the world did they think they were doing? Shooting at Bonnie and Clyde

    • Patrick McCarthy

      This is what is wrong with police in America on so many levels. California police are consistently reckless and consistently try to hide behind “procedure” as if that term is law which of course it is not. No investigation is necessary any idiot with a brain knows that the police are as much if not more criminal that the suspects. This was murder nothing less and any cop who tries to justify this is a dirty cop. The last good cop in America was Frank Serpico and until I see other cops turning in officers for violating the law and the civil rights of citizens I will continue to stand by my belief that all cops are dirty and criminals without exception.

    • Brian Sullivan

      I simply can’t believe this story is true. I will not be baited into trying to figure out why a group of “professional” law enforcement would do such a irresponsible thing. It just doesn’t make sense. You figure it out.

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    • Morgan Blair

      If you fire a rifle, it fires a single projectile over a long distance and it is quite accurate. If you fire a shotgun, it fires any number of small or 1 large, depending on the gauge, projectile in which it spreads and is extremely effective, but only for short distances. When firing semi-automatic pistols, due to the short travel of the barrel, the caliber and amount of gun powder behind the projectile all make a determination of how the bullet reacts as it is fired, it is anyone’s guess as to where it will end up. You can put a pistol in a vice and none of the bullets will hit the same spot when fired. The slightest change in atmosphere will cause it to tumble and veer off in any number of directions. God only knows how much of our hard earned tax dollars pay for the cops to practice and pass a efficiency test each month. Thus creating a shortage for citizens when trying to purchase ammunition for personal use. I think we should see about a limit for free ammo to cops and, with the surplus of funds, send this army of murdering sociopaths to a team of psychologist, to find out why they have absolutely no respect for human life and, suffering unless it is their own. (Or their fellow “gang members”)

    • Jimh77

      For some reason I always thought cps were trained shooters. In the Army I was trained till I was sniper ready.
      A single car does not require more than 2 shots to take out the driver by 1 man/woman. Also my best friend was trained, she was just as good as I was.

    • When that cop killed Mike Brown for running stopping and putting his hands in the air it wasn’t a big deal to racist whites. Well she was in a car with bank robbers running away so what was the cops to do. Let them get away. Oh yeah that’s right shes not black.

      • Jimh77

        Take out the tires, rims don’t have much traction unless they were run flat tires. No need to pound 600 rounds in the car. That had to take several minutes. How Dumb can 1 be?

    • Ethel Mertz

      Killing an unarmed hostage is murder in my opinion!

    • Michael Goode

      Nice shooting elmer fudd.

    • David

      167 bullets – approximately – fired to kill Bonnie and Clyde.

    • Philip Holman

      Lots of sidetracking to the Brown shooting. What’s up with that?
      Divert attention away from obvious evidence of trigger happy cops to one where its less obvious with room to expound personal biases. Once again, police officers demonstrate a rediculous extreme overkill in dealing with a situation where a more subtle approach had more chance of a successful outcome. 600 shots and they didn’t even kill the robber.

    • Kriss

      This is what you get when you have a government that views the public as chattle and little more. The police are not there to protect any single individual, they are there to “protect the public” for what ever that means…

    • fussell77

      Are u F-n sh#tin me? F-n dirty out of control trigger happy F-n scumbag cops, they didn’t give a s#t about this ladies life. I hope everyone of them meets the same fate

    • GEEZ

      THE POLICE BLEW IT…..THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER FIRED ON THIS VEHICLE KNOWING THERE WAS A HOSTAGE INSIDE…..NOT EVER NEVER IN THIS CASE…..PAY UP AND TERMINATE THESE MORONS INCLUDING THOSE SUPERVISORS CLAIMING THIS WAS LEGAL AND JUSTIFIED….

    • GAYLE

      WHO GAVE THE ORDER TO START SHOOTING? WAS THERE A HOSTAGE NEGOTIATOR ON SIGHT? SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THE POLICE GOT TRIGGER HAPPY AND SHOWED NO REGARDS FOR THE HOSTAGE. SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOSTAGES DEATH.

    • Tony Drolson

      and they want to get rid of all the guns. what will the cops do? that’s all they can think about is shooting people.

      • Ethel Mertz

        They’ll shoot anythings…people, children, dogs, shadows, I am more afraid of cops than criminals…how scary is that??????

    • RiiLLyNow

      Sounds like Murder to me,which they will get away with until judgement day.

    • RsGoat

      Adrenaline and fear will do things to people under fire that we who are in the safety of our arm chairs may never understand. How much time dose a person have to think out a response to their actions looking down the barrel when they see another person looking back at them looking down their own barrel squeezing off shoots. But
      each shot won’t hit anything because your heart is beating so fast your hands are being tossed in the wind of the blood slamming around the turns of the blood vessels in your wrists trying to get back to your heart! Mean time your eyes are looking for the guy you don’t see in case you need to get down and you hear the shots, are that at you? Da… it you don’t put the felon down you won’t make it home to what is for dinner? It is impossible at that moment in time to remain totally professional trying not to soil yourself because this is not something even police officers do more than a couple times in a career if ever!
      Nothing prepares you for the moment and no one knows how it will affect them until they are faced with living or dying. They won’t tell you but ask someone who has been there. It is easy to pass judgment with time and facts or what looks like them.

      • Ethel Mertz

        600 bullets knowing there’s an innocent hostage and they didn’t have to pursue????? There’s NO EXCUSE they are complete incompetents and in my opinion murderers!!!! The perp just robbed a bank while the cops actually killed an innocent woman, wife, daughter, it’s so sad I don’t know how cop thugs can sleep at night!

    • Jon Thomas

      We don’t live in a perfect world. It’s called COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

      • RiiLLyNow

        Ignorant comment of the day

    • Ethel Mertz

      What is wrong with these cops????? You don’t risk the life of an innocent civilian ever!!!! Don’t they have swat teams with snipers???? Couldn’t they call the FBI since this was a hostage situation (kidnapping)???????

    • disqus_K0bsjAaVs9

      What ever happened to one shot one kill? How many bullets does it take to kill a man?

    • SugarLips

      aw hell no…just a bunch of trigger happy cops….Join the Army, you chumps, if you want to pop off a few rounds in anger…Oh wait we don’t allow unprofessional fat jelly donuts in the Army…sorry pigs, I guess you’re stuck playing Sledge Hammer!

    • Turd Fergison

      Well between all the “Fergies” and the cops…I guess Joe and Jane Citizen are on their own. Learn self protection and trust few.

    • Keith Baranzini

      ‘All findings will be made public’. Yeah all findings that they feel should be released will be made public. Its funny how many times you hear the words ‘transparent investigation’, yet they never give out actual evidence, its always bullshit to stray away from the actual murder at hand.

      For example. Michael brown being shot was justified by a completely irrelevant case of him stealing a candy bar and a cigarillo and pushing the clerk over. They blew that shit up an entire week after the shooting just to throw some ‘transparent’ info out to the blind sheeply who love our protective government, who is really just protecting themselves.

      Just wait until one of you idiots says the wrong string of words to an officer and he pulls his gun on you and fires. Your views will change, if you arent killed.

      On a side note. Dont reach for your wallet to quickly, officers have heavy trigger fingers!!

      http://abc13.com/news/trooper-charged-after-shooting-unarmed-man/323484/

      Remember upstanding citizens, you are guilty until proven innocent.

    • timgower26@yahoo.com

      Cops are out of hand. Too many cop hero shows they have become delusional and have forgotten they take a crap like the rest of us, get divorced like the rest of us, have kids out of control like the rest of us, and commit crimes like many of us using their badge as a shield and a hush mechanism. I have known several who were drunker than the ones they were arresting for DUI, same as several judges. Excessive use of force? Reckless endangerment? Disorderly conduct. Breach of Trust? Where are these and other charges against these mercenaries? In the military the worst accusation you can make is “Reckless Disregard”. I accuse these gangsters in blue of just that.

      • Marine Scout Sniper

        This is a good example of the Jack-Boot law enforcement “gang of thugs” that are beginning to grow and fester in our cities and rural counties. They are an “agency” all to themselves. Their presence resembles that of an occupying military group. Why are there helicopters, tanks, and an arsenal comparable to that of a U.S.Marine Corps 0311/Grunt Company, warranted? This is pure bullshit and overkill. The majority have never been in a fire-fight or under intense firepower. Yet they act as though they are war heroes. Our government needs to stop supplying them with their “toys”. 9 out of 10 of these “cops” were socially banished while in high school. They did not attend proms, were ridiculed (which was definitely wrong), non-athletic, did not have the intelligence to enroll in college, even a city, urban, or rural college, were introverts, were physically “picked on”, and had no girl-friends, etc., etc., and etc.
        Now they can wear a shiny badge and wear a hand-gun, and have a shot-gun attached to their front console! This makes them feel really “special”.

        I remember a nationwide survey conducted maybe 15 years ago. Yes, 15 years ago, of the top 10 safest and unsafe jobs in America. Neither a fireman or a policeman were listed in the 10 most unsafe jobs. The Fire Chief of NYC came out the following morning (he wasted no time) with a news conference stating they were so highly trained that no physical mishaps were a result of their rigorous and dedicated training. Can you fathom the audacity of this overweight “Chief!?!? It was as though he was sorry there were no fatalities. They want to have the American citizen believe their everyday duties are consistent with the bullshit seen in Hollywood movies. What a Fucking joke they are. They have an egotistical aura about them that is unmatched.

        Their “liberties”, with American citizens, which they are also, are too extensive and liberal.
        Again they do not like the idea of being referred as a “citizen”. They think their “special”.
        Police agencies need to be governed and ruled by a board of “citizens”, not by law-enforcement personnel.
        Then and ONLY THEN will we have a fair and respected body of law-enforcement personnel.

        God, Country, Corps.
        Semper Fi.

    • rebelmountainman

      The criminals that did the bank robbery were illegal aliens

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    • bee

      1 ok but 10 ?
      The bullets should be tracked to the guns and cops charged with murder .

    • JamesNW

      Sue the Stockton PD $600M for their negligent actions.

    • alibaba

      What’s next? Police shoot at kindergarten kids?

    • Carm

      Definitions
      Racism involves the belief in racial differences, which acts as a justification for non-equal treatment (which some regard as “discrimination”) of members of that race.[14] The term is commonly used negatively and is usually associated with race-based prejudice, violence, dislike, discrimination, or oppression, the term can also have varying and contested definitions. Racialism is a related term, sometimes intended to avoid these negative meanings.

    • Joe

      Fukin cops are just plain trigger happy!

    • Robert

      Well it started off with this poor woman being killed by law enforcement officers that knew she was there but had no regard for her safety and still fired upon this vehicle, they did not mention anything about the bank robbers whether they were killed or wounded. Also this is the first I have heard of this shooting, guess the media reports what they want to. St louis is a different story altogether ! It seems some police are not concerned with the safety of the ones they serve. My Deepest condolences to her family.

    • Terry Perry

      Only Problem is the TAX payers Foot the Bill the Police just walk away and get to kill another person later and again the Tax Payer foots the Bill. Even if they fire an Officer he just goes to another state gets a job. They have the same Union as the Firemen which is very strong. Like the show Rescue Me look at all the things the Firemen did any Job you would be FIRED sure there Hero’s but it’s the TAX Payers money to.

    • The original BS

      A woman was killed and people want to talk about Ferguson? Are they saying that the police in Stockton showed a disregard similar to that criminal ,shooting when it was not warranted?

    • Blittzs

      If she was black, i guarantee this would be racist white cops. I hate cops. Im sorry to the family. We need to stop this, cops think they are above the law and lazy holy crap they are lazy. you know how many other people could have been injured lucky that not one bullet didnt strike someone else. This here shows that Police officers arent trained properly. They fear for their life and they dont think once someone is shooting at them. Dont be a cop if your scared to die. Cops dont put their lives in danger anymore like they used to. Now because of their Scared Lazy cops and their new laws. We are at danger!!

    • Colette L. McKinney

      To them, the “hostage” was collateral damage and wasn’t really important in the scheme of things…the scheme of things being the cops wanted him dead and didn’t care who died in the process….

    • Brent Waterbury

      This is the new militaristic approach to local “law enforcement” despite warnings from the media. Cops truly believe they are above the law and r out to get the “bad guy” at any cost.

    • Deajay

      This is astonishing; I can only shake my head. Anybody who is a hostage in a vehicle, should not feel good about the police locating the vehicle and thinking he/she are about to be rescued. I can only think of one thing: Lunacy.

    • Hewhowaits

      Typical, cops are trigger happy.

    • come-out-with-ur-hands-up

      news lady is smoking!!! Dirty Dirty girl look!!!

    • Shane MacIntyre

      Cops use the badge to act like cowboys with no regard of the out come. I hope they do a ballistics test on each one of the bullets that hit her so the cops know that they help kill a incent person an her family sues the s–t out of them. You know they had a good old time celebrating after the big shootout .

    • Michael

      The cops fired 600 bullets into a car with 3 perps and a hostage and 1 survives? Did they think they were shooting a gangsta rap vid and wanted to look cool instead of aim?

    • Rose K.

      Hit there Mark?! Poor marksmanship?! You think they were actually trying to hit her? Wow, I don’t know whats worse, the cops that should have been more patient, or LC.

    • John Siders

      I cannot believe they even shot into the car You just do not do that in a hostage situation!!! They even show that on TV shows !!

    • futureisbright

      OMG!
      100 million dollars for this family.
      Cops were wrong, protocol was wrong!

      This lady should not have died by a police bullet.

    • El Fantasma

      So, the cops were aiming at Misty Holt-Singh??? What a bunch of stupid ass comments. Fire all the cops involved for firing 600 rounds into a car with a hostage and charge each one for negligent homicide. That plain, that simple.

    • william e wilson

      Looks to me like we need 33 murder warrants and a new police chief. That was absolutely unwarranted. That is shooting into a car with a hostage inside.

    • Dan Dude

      Apparently the banker’s money was more important than Misty.

    • charles

      out of 33 officers not 1 had some sort of rifle training ? just a silly thought i guess?

    • Big Sky

      Sympathies to the family of the victim. Please excuse all these others who have decided that the M Brown issue is more important than your families loss.

    • disqus_lrqihsqfLl

      Isn’t the safety of the hostage more important than anything else. This poor frightened woman.

    • Faith Stone

      Good grief the need need to up the time spent at the firing range! I get it was a high stress situation but 10 out of 600 on a stationary target?! Small wonder crime rate is so high there.

    • TJ

      First – There are reasons people are racists. Usually very valid ones. Don’t confuse racism with bigotry. Second – I thought this comment section was to be used to comment about the article, not about every “Jethro” and “Shaneekwa’s” God-given opinions. Third – Police across the nation are getting out of control. Period. They want so hard to believe they are THE last word in LAW. They are trained to control a given situation. However, that’s also a huge responsibility that frankly, some “officers” just cant shoulder, which regrettably, too often becomes the local 5 oclock news. Mr. Brown was no Angel. Not even close. He was becoming exactly what one would predict in his environment. I do not believe he deserved to die however. Police ARE out of control nationwide. It is our own faults, people!

    • Terry Bumpass

      This is all the fault of “Bush” ’43 and Global Warming!

    • Frank in New Jersey

      What was the hostage negotiator on vacation that week and on an Island somewhere?

      • Law_dog1

        They are UNION he was on his every 2 hour break.

    • Ride

      The police: Poorly trained, little dck, beat up in high school, bullies who are now out of control. Stay away from those dangerous criminals at all costs. Getting innolved with the police is one of the worst things you can ever do.
      They are dangerous monsters.

    • L Karamazov

      There can be no doubt that America’s police are under some kind of hypnosis. These basterds will blow your ass away. The fact that this story didnt go national until now, shows us why the protests and rioting in furgeson may have been necessary. The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

    • Fortherecord

      some cases are race, some not. M Brown, thug or no thug….cop had no right to kill the kid. he was angry and brown got away, that’s why he shot him. if Zimmerman would have followed instructions….there would have been no murder involved. the issue is….cops shoot to kill!!!!!!!! Even in non life threatening situations. They are not the judge, jury but play the role of the executioner. now they have killed an innocent woman. CROWN DRINKER…..go to work and spread your opinion around your coworkers. Bet you wont….you hide behind racism. A coward!!!! change your name to Coward Drinker…..not crown….because you are a little bitch.

    • C.H.

      nobody is surprised! cops all over the country have gone out of control. comes from a result of poor pay and no future in law enforcement. departments have to accept anyone with a heartbeat and one good eye. just look in your own town. when someone is too dumb or dislikeable to do anything else and know someone high up in the dept. they become a cop. a lot of these cops get up in the morning wishing they could learn what its like to kill an armed or unarmed person. there is no more corrupt orgs. in our country than your local police and sheriff depts. I was raised by a trooper. 30-40 yrs ago standards were high to police. most of those guys were real men. now the biggest cowards and sickest minds are in law enforcement. the gun and badge goes immediately to their heads. take those away and the majority of them wont face a man fist to fist for anything. the new ones are a result of the video game false world crowd. most of them are afraid of their own shadow now. used to a cop would kick your tale and teach you a lesson. I used to think how bad it was to hear cop was killed in line of duty. now I wonder what the pig bastard did to deserve it. people are getting fed up with all the crooked cops. eventually good people will have to stand up and fight back. until its made illegal for a cop to murder an unarmed person this madness will continue. as of now a cop can shoot your ass for no reason, say anything he wants and get away with murder. I have lost all respect for law enforcement. what a bunch of punks.

    • Dale Dimick

      The Singh family should go out of state and buy AK47s and steel core ammo and go cop hunting.

    • Renno

      sorry for the tragedy… but you know what/??? when you have criminals spraying bullets around risking lives of not only the cops but innocent bystanders all around…. then that’s a choice you have to make…. if they had done nothing and those criminals had killed a few kids in the area with their random shooting, then you would all be complaining that the cops should have fired on the car…. its a no win situation…… I think the cops did the right thing….. and that’s the message we should be giving…. wont be long before criminals wont bother with hostages because it wont get them anywhere.

    • 2zero

      I thought the”Bush” plan was to fight the terrorists on the other side of the world. Instead we trained killers brought them home and made them cops!

    • fourtwenty mostwanted

      Sounds like we need our police killer mr. Frein to come over to n.cali to take out these dirty cops

    • Marilynne L. Mellander

      Nothing like a police state…we’re all guilty until, and if, proven innocent…God bless Misty Singh…a beautiful lady

    • ro

      I seen the results of 8 cops and 1 bad guy who had a knife 1 cop charged him and fell onto the knife and they all started firing the results were they hit him 6 times and hit houses up to 2 blocks away with stray shots

    • Marine Scout Sniper

      This is a good example of the Jack-Boot law enforcement “gang of thugs” that are beginning to grow and fester in our cities and rural counties. They are an “agency” all to themselves. Their presence resembles that of an occupying military group. Why are there helicopters, tanks, and an arsenal comparable to that of a U.S.Marine Corps 0311/Grunt Company, warranted? This is pure bullshit and overkill. The majority have never been in a fire-fight or under intense firepower. Yet they act as though they are war heroes. Our government needs to stop supplying them with their “toys”. 9 out of 10 of these “cops” were socially banished in high school They did not attend proms, were ridiculed (which was definitely wrong), non-athletic, did not have the intelligence to enroll in college, even a city, urban, or rural college, were introverts, were physically “picked on”, and had no girl-friends, etc., etc., and etc.
      Now they can wear a shiny badge and wear a hand-gun, and have a shot-gun attached to their front console! This makes them feel really “special”.

      I remember a nationwide survey conducted maybe 15 years ago. Yes, 15 years ago, of the top 10 safest and unsafe jobs in America. Neither a fireman or a policeman were listed in the 10 most unsafe jobs. The Fire Chief of NYC came out the following morning (wasted no time) with a news conference stating they were so highly trained that no physical mishaps were a result of their rigorous and dedicated training. Can you BELIEVE that!?!? It was as though he was sorry there were no fatalities. They want to have the American citizen believe their everyday duties are consistent with the bullshit seen in Hollywood movies. What a F’N joke.

      Their “liberties”, with American citizens, which they are also, are too extensive and liberal.
      Again they do not like the idea of being referred as a “citizen”. They think their “special”.
      Police agencies need to be governed and ruled by a board of “citizens”, not by law-enforcement personnel.
      Then and ONLY THEN will we have a fair and respected body of law-enforcement personnel.

      God, Country, Corps.
      Semper Fi.

    • Mick Traver

      In to many situations police are not held accountable for, for their actions this is the new standard in a police state. Anyone with a badge is now held above the law. They have joined government, and big banks.

    • IpseNobis

      Worst situations in the world for law enforcement: Kidnaping/hostage situations. This punk b***h obviously wanted her dead for all his stupid actions.

    • Mike Pressley

      Remember the show Girls Gone Wild? They could easily make one called Cops Gone Wild with footage just from the last year or two. This is just insane.

    • florence roberts

      It’s California, what do you expect, common sense?

    • Doug

      I was hoping to get the WHOLE story here I guess that is not going to happen. I find it hard to believe the cops just shot KNOWING she was a hostage. I am not thinking that is usual protocol. I would like to hear the cops side. Which is what I thought journalism was supposed to be.

      • Pearlbuck

        True.

    • P Cul

      Complete failure of the police department..ENTIRE POLICE DEPT. They should all be charged with negligent homicide.

    • homefry

      any excuse to do a full mag dump

    • Michael Schweitzer

      You would think this is the 1920’s….what a bunch of trigger happy butts…they all need to brought up on charges …can not believe this happened

    • tulet

      Whatever happened to the concept “Do not fire, lest you put the hostage in harm’s way”? Marksmanship training for all those officers that are not getting fired or sued by the family of the hostage. What does the Stockton Police Department Rules of
      Engagement say to do in this situation? Curious.

    • Elizabeth

      Law suit. And the police need to look up “hostage” in a dictionary. I think they thought it meant “female robber.”
      Many condolences to the family — this should not have happened.

    • wickeddevelopment

      well that is perfectly logical they dont want to be left out now do they? and the police has just defeated any use we have for them… this is not a single police department but the nation wide trend and policy… WAKE UP WE ARE BEING ATTACKED

    • Gayhart Goddard

      GESTAPO POLICE MURDERED HER

    • rick spalding

      Its okay though, police are known to have no rules of engagement. But if there were a few regular citizens that did this, this would be plastered in mainstream media.

    • Burt Bokerstroms

      sometimes horrible decisions are needed to end terrible moments in time. Nagasaki estimate 100,000 dead. WWII

    • meliapau

      geez i watch the news and read it daily this is the first national coverage I have seen on this incident….thank god i do not live in ca anymore

    • David Medlin

      those police officers need to be doing 600 yrs in prison you cant any more stupid than what these cops did

    • William Walters

      Wow for some Federal Reserve Notes…….sounds logical and necessary.

    • dave

      It’s pointless for me to keep ointing out that cops are killing you at random. The only fair and reasonable thing to do is to return the favor. Shoot first. Shoot to kill. i think we should nominate the ambush killer to the presidency….somebody who recognizes an active ense of justice and gets done what needs being done.

    • tomi

      there is a lot more to this story. she may have already been dead.

    • Greg

      There was a time when police officers were trained and understood that just because they get shot at doesn’t automatically mean they can shoot back. If shooting back endangers the public, they are supposed to hold their fire and take cover until it is reasonably safe to shoot back. Law enforcement has been on the decline in the last 20 years or so. Too many police officers have forgotten about the idea that they are public servants who are supposed to protect citizens, not just blindly fire away until everyone is dead or they are out of ammo. Idiots…..I hope the family collects big time.

    • jlb74a .

      that Sick dude just wants to get rich…. send him back to india.

    • bof !

      ?!?! cops are a necessary evil !

    • Vyper3000

      You know, it occurs to me that when law enforcement ambushed Bonnie and Clyde they only put 107 bullets into the car, and they were alone with no hostages…. seems to me that the police are getting to be more and more out of control.

    • charlesriley

      It would be nice if there were more to the story. Were the bank robbers shooting at police? What happened before the police started shooting.

    • Mary Brey

      600 Rounds divided by 33 Cops means if you had a 9mm or .40cal semi-auto pistol then they would have shot around 18 rounds each which coincidently is a full 17 round magazine plus 1 in the Chamber. Talk about extreme over kill. Makes you real confident of your Police Dept. if you were ever in a Kidnap/Hostage situation. I guess that’s why a lot of your Police Agencies no longer have “To Serve and Protect” on their Police Cars. A lot of Cops all over our Country are just looking for the opportunity to blow someone away even if it ends up being the innocent victim. Just tax payer paid Murders that get to hide behind their Badges but just as much a Criminal as the People that do Crimes…

    • Robert Poe Raven

      DAMM PIGS!!! Fascism preview! Do you out there care about this or not?! YOU could be next for no good reason!!!

    • R Rhodes

      Of course, disabling the car and waiting it out isn’t even considered. It will get covered up, evidence of impending doom will be fabricated, and local authorities will help in the whitewash. Isn’t Stockton one of the murder capitols of the country statistically?

    • Katrina Armanda Nadeau

      but the officer needs to get home……. this country been over taken by thug law enforcement

    • tomsatch

      What a bunch of numbskulls! Doesn’t Stockton have any officers who practice on the firing range? Is the official police department policy: just wave your gun around, shooting randomly? A good marksman could have got the bad guy with one shot.

    • Teresa Eileen Rivas

      Cops play judge and jury with our lives everyday. Maybe if we let the cops do it their way, we can get rid of our judicial system. Both are corrupt. However cops are simply more swift at judgement and prosecution than our system of proof and reasonable doubt. If we let cops kill at will, then we don’t have to house and feed all those potential criminals. For all you idiots, that was sarcasm.

      • hotwings

        Call a crackhead next time you need help.

        • Teresa Eileen Rivas

          I don’t know any crackheads, never have! I know some law enforcement families. I know many prison guards. I babysat their kids! When I need help??? I lead a life that doesn’t make me NEED a cop! Lucky me…maybe it’s just Karma.

    • Crown Drinker

      What’s with the coon in the background with the blue bandage around his head? WTF is he supposed to be?

    • Paul Kersey

      Cops: Complete F ing idiots with a badge, jelly on their hands, a GED, and the desire to kill, humiliate and oppress the good citizens of the once great country. Keep it up piggies, and something is going to happen, something you won’t like. And it smells like bacon.

    • Big Sky

      The hostage, an average citizen got shot. The question is had the ‘hostage’ been a cop when they have handled it the same way – and shot one of ‘their own’? If it had been the governor would they have shot, or backed off and kept track?

      • Crown Drinker

        If it was the Governor, I would hope so.

    • cnnfoxbreakingnews

      The lawsuit figure starts with nine numbers

    • PigStateNews

      At least 880 people have been killed by U.S. police since January 1, 2014.
      At least 1634 have been killed since May 1, 2013.
      https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolice

      • Crown Drinker

        And probably 879 had it coming.

    • Dippydoodle

      Um because the cops are freaking morons? They get paid…PAID and they have like 0 self control. I really feel for the victims family, tough enough knowing she was being taken hostage but for the cops to use that type of force and then end up dead…..They are useless…for the amount of money they make annually, when they do something like this, time to remove 33 idiotic cops and replace them with some folks who aren’t trigger happy monkeys..

    • cnnfoxbreakingnews

      Who will be the next innocent victim that will be killed by Cops?

    • cnnfoxbreakingnews

      600 shots…………sounds like a battlefield fight.

    • cnnfoxbreakingnews

      If the woman hostage was married to a Cop, she would be alive today.

    • Noella Rosa-Rosenau

      I am proud of my Criminal Law degree and specialized in CSI and I worked hard for my degree graduating with honors!! I cannot see Police Officers having the audacity in using that much artillery to kill a suspect and with a hostage in his grasp!! No disrespect to the Maui Police Dept., but they have done the same thing over and over and get away legally in the eyes of the law to have that kind of uncontrollable power to use a weapon/fire arm licensed by the department to use that much rounds!!! How many bullets does it need to kill a person and why with a hostage in the way!!! That’s the case why didn’t they use a sharp shooter who only needs one bullet to stop the suspect without killing the hostage???? So many questions — and no answer!!!! Well there is an answer – a police officer must explain and have a reason as to why each bullet was used at the time and he better have a reasonable answer to everyone!! Or the officer, man or woman cannot carry a weapon, and a severe punishment should be served!!! We the people must deal with this and make sure each police officer remember the oath they took — “TO SERVE AND PROTECT — NOT TO KILL A PERSON LIKE HE WAS A WILD ANIMAL OR WHATEVER!!!?? These officers make all the good ones look bad and we are the ones who get stuck with the term, PIGS!! I am not like them!! If they want to abuse their weapons than join the arm forces – they shoot to kill!!

    • Joe Machita

      Our educational system graduate more and more idiots so it is no wonder the swine act like idiots. Of course they will follow orders by the morons in government making it worse by the day.

    • pjconnolly

      I guess the term “To Serve and Protect” didn’t apply in this case.

    • ihatecrackhead .

      I would protect myself too, but were the police

      could they not withdrawn if they were in an unsafe position

    • EbolaJenkins

      The funniest part to read is the part of the story that paints the police in a more negative manner than the kidnapping bank-robbers themselves… (in other words, the entire article)…. the kidnapping bank-robbers who were violating their own Democrat-leadership’s gun-control laws pertaining to automatic weapons, age-requirements for the pistols, registrations, background checks, citizenship status, use to commit felony, and like EIGHT OTHER already-existing gun-control laws…

    • Really

      Cops, pulling back?? LMAO

    • D. Alexander

      We have out of control police, they no longer protect and serve, they just kill the citizens they are SUPPOSED to serve. Notice the victim they killed was a person of color. This is really sad.

    • ErnyM

      I feel cops should be rotated to a desk job and taken off the street for 3 or 4 month rotations so this kind of shit don’t happen. They also need to be re-trained EVERY year and take mandatory psyc sessions. The police are obviously over worked and this type of job needs to be re evaluated as to keeping the cops on street duty non stop 24/7.
      There are to many of these cops to quick to kill and beat the very people they work for.
      We are their bosses and how would any other industry run if the employees ran roughshod over their bosses?
      Does anybody get what I’m saying?

    • DQUser

      I’d like to see the entrance exam , education level and expected IQ level for entry to the Stockton PD.

    • EbolaJenkins

      …The families of the DREAMERS and undocumented-immigrants who died in the shootout plan to file a “Civil Rights” lawsuit against those dirty cops…

    • bash0001

      I’d like to hear how the Police are going to try to justify killing an innocent woman to get their man. I know an almost entire shift worth of officers that need to be fired.

    • EbolaJenkins

      You haven’t seen NOTHING yet… Wait until Obie-1 unviels his newly-reconfigured Department of Homeland Security. He prefers to call it his Executive Branch’s “Revolutionary Guard” lately… Thank you liberal-Democrat voters for making this possible; BEST X-MAS EVER!!!!

    • Charlotte Coachman

      some of the most racist comments……people are classless. We are human beings.

    • World Power

      Holy s**
      I’m not even one of those anti police types but this is ridiculous. I have been part of a squad of marines that had machine guns “M249 saw” that fired less bullets at more than one enemy and there were no hostages.

      What the hell is this?

    • manchopper

      American Police and ISIS have a lot in common. Both threats to the ordinary person and kill without accountability. Both feel justified in killing innocent…

    • barney3348

      Hello, shoot the tires out, disable the engine, gas them. Never in my Military Life in Vietnam did we put 600 bullets into a single item.

    • Floyd Wilson

      Pigs gotta do what pigs gotta do. She had brown skin so the pigs saw her as an accomplice.

    • Catherine Shroyer

      Reading all these posts. How did this become a fight about who is right and who is wrong in the case of Darren Wilson? Very sad and should not be forgotten…but this story is about a woman hostage taken during a bank robbery. C’mon people….stay focused here. My condolences to her family.

      • Clifford Carraher

        Catherine,,,,,,They are a little less than bright, and not quite human. Their creator ran out of human parts, and used whatever monkey parts that were left over.

    • sullymike77

      Them’s some non-shooting mf’ers

    • yep

      You all are idiots. Misty Holt-Singh was not the” target”, “mark”, or “victim” as some of you have said. She was a hostage being used at a human shield. Its called collateral damage. 10 out of 600 shots unfortunately hit the hostage.

    • Moby

      When you fire that many bullets it just proves complete disregard for the life or the hostage.

      Idiots… complete and utter morons.

    • Ed Romero

      I wonder if this would have been the same reaction that the former Orange County Chief Probation Officer would have received if the Police would have responded to all the complaints from her neighbors that their homes were being saturated with Marijuana Smoke coming from the Chief Probation Officer house. That would never happen, one of her Asst. Chief Probation Officers use to smoke marijuana and deal drugs all day long while on duty. You see there is a set of rules for Racist Pigs like the former Chief Probation Officer and ordinary citizens. If you don’t believe that, how did someone like the former Chief Probation Officer with a High School Education, be appointed a Judge, knowing nothing about criminal or civil law, how did she become Chief Probation Officer with a High School Education and finally Director of Health for the County of Orange. I will tell you how, she was a Racist Pig that Old Tricky Dick Nixon used to supply him with all the Mexican-Americans/Chicano’s and Black to send to the front lines of Vietnam War, that’s how, all those soldiers killed or wounded why she hung out at that Lesbian Bar in Garden Grove, Ca, where she would write out a check to the Bar Owner and the doors would be locked, the music turned up, the lights turned off and the mattress thrown on the pool table and she could eat all the fresh fish she wanted along with the rest of her drug dealing Lesbians, while Mexican-Americans-Chicano’s and Blacks were being killed in Vietnam.

    • Justus4us

      @buck4life “just take what they want”….White PEOPLE did. We learned from them. Snatching things then renaming it to call it your own. They start wars in every Country, invade countries, kill women and children, then name the people evil. Bury your head in the sand, but your a*s is still exposed.

    • Scott Campbell

      There is a misconception here. They did not say only ten rounds hit the car. They said ten rounds hit the innocent victim. Why are cops shooting at a car with a victim inside? They killed a hostage. It sounds like murder to me. This is inexcusable. Cops are supposed to PROTECT innocent people, but again murder someone.

    • Stretchrunner147

      fucking animals……

    • Mad Hatter

      They should have used a Browning M2 .50 Cal. As far as the hostage, well the cops were under fire. What would you suggest they do? Just pack up and go home?

    • wolfendenpackleader

      Definitely overkill. the cops are out of control in America and yet I have heard little to nothing form our elected congress critters on this abuse of power by those who falsely claim they are here “to protect and serve.”

      And before someone in law enforcement gets all huffy, I am former retired law enforcement and yes I have handled weapons for my job. Back then we had something that seems to be sorely lacking in todays law enforcement. Common sense, self control and the ability to access a situation before firing your weapons.

      • Bulldog

        out of curiosity, how long since you put on a shield ?

        • wolfendenpackleader

          1990’s.

    • mikesopinion

      it doesn’t take a brain to be a cop or a politician only credentials you need is to be an ignorant piece of krapp.

    • Crystle Fire

      Lets wait until both sides of the story come out. Could be that she was dead already and he just used her dead body as a shield. Police will not shoot into a car knowing there is a child or innocent person alive in the car. This is your typical liberal liars journalist trying to start up new garbage!

    • I hope the family gets justice,and who is the idiot that trained these cops.

    • james w.

      What the hell were they shooting with…a blunderbuss??

    • Mitchell Duerfeldt

      once again an example of how the police in this country, are totally out of control!

    • Sylvers

      The cops strike again! At this point if I should ever be taken hostage, I would be more afraid of the cops showing up than the criminals shooting me.

    • rick

      And you wonder why so many people that have never been in trouble with the law have lost their respect for these Revenue agents

    • Lisa Erickson

      Did the police do the right thing. Many will say yes, many will say no. I personally don’t think they purposely killed the hostage. All I know is that I wouldn’t want to be in their position. Sounds like so many of you know what the best thing was to do, but I honestly don’t as I don’t have a crystal ball to see what would have happened if things had played out differently:

      1 – Police do not open fire:
      Simplistic possible results: The bank robbers are captured eventually and no one else is hurt
      The bank robbers get away for a little while, crawl into a hide y hole, rape and torture their hostage (possibly killing her, possibly not) before being captured. I defend the they would rape her because I don’t put it past people who would take hostages and shoot them to do more.
      The bank robbers continue to flee, shooting out of their vehicle, hitting other vehicles with their bullets and possibly killing innocent bystanders, certainly causing some car wrecks that could permanently disable other people. Eventually, they get caught, maybe after breaking more laws like robbery, rape, murder, maybe not.
      The bank robbers get away. Possibility of repeating their violent actions would be highly likely. After all, they got away with it once, why not again?

      2 – Police open fire:
      Results: The bank robbers are stopped, but the hostage is killed (obviously what happened)
      Simplistic possible results: The bank robbers are stopped, other bystanders are injured.
      The bank robbers are stopped, nobody hurt.

      Questions to ask: How many of the 600 bullets were from the police? I haven’t heard anyone report that it was proven they all came from the officers. Were any from the bank robbers? While 600 bullets sounds high (my first initial thought), you are talking about a situation where adrenaline is pumping, cars are moving at high speeds, and shots are flying from both ends, so I could see it happening, especially with 33 officers on site.

      All I know is that if I was the hostage’s family, I’d be upset (to put it mildly), but I’d be equally upset if the officers had waited and my family member was killed as the hostage or an innocent bystander.

      No matter what, the police were in a no win situation. This was not a controlled situation where they could have set up snipers, but rather a high pursuit down the freeway. Anything could have happened.

      • Sylvers

        It is hard to say with absolute assertion what the “right thing” was, at that situation. Especially since we weren’t there. However, it is absolutely obvious what the WRONG thing was. You do NOT shoot at a car with intent to hit its passengers, if there is a hostage inside; You will hit the hostage. You might try to cripple the car, but that’s as far as you can go.

        As for your suggestion of what the robbers might have done to the hostage, are you saying.. that she got off easy having been killed by the cops?

        • Lisa Erickson

          Sadly, my whole comment was not posted so my different scenarios don’t show up.

          No, I’m not saying she “got off easy” having been killed by cops. Personally, and I do mean personally, I would rather have died then being raped and tortured…..once again, this is personally for myself for reasons that I will not get into. I was trying to point out different scenarios.

          Like I said, my whole post wasn’t posted. No matter what would have happened, unless no innocent person was harmed, the police were in a no win situation. We are a blame happy/sue happy nation. If the other things happened by police inaction, there would still be people blaming the police for not doing anything.

          • Sylvers

            I understand that. But as you say, this is your personal opinion, and as the hostage died before giving hers, we cannot account for what she would have wanted. Though I am fairly sure her last thoughts were on how to get out of that situation (alive and unharmed).

            And you’re also right that the cops would be blamed for inaction. But who said that the only two choices were either the wrong action, or inaction? I am no cop myself, I don’t know what they’re trained to do in these situations. But based on my very limited knowledge, I would say that as this was a car chase, the obvious option was to CHASE the car. Try to slow it down. Use roadblocks. Get a helicopter on its tail. All viable options that would not result in the unavoidable death of an innocent hostage. That’s just off the top of my head.

            To be completely frank, do you think the cops would have shot at that car, had that hostage been an important person? The daughter of someone who is well connected perhaps. I am certain it would not have been so.

            I might also add, that at the end of the day, it’s not about how the public perceives your actions (not that it isn’t important). It is about doing the right thing. And if you ask me, all those cops are to blame for the death of that hostage. They did not do the right thing, they did not even attempt to, regardless of the outcome.

            • Lisa Erickson

              Daughter of someone well off scenario – I think it would depend on the situation, maybe I’m naive. 🙂

              Yes, just chasing the car was an option, which was part of my original post that didn’t show up, but doesn’t automatically equate to ” viable options that would not result in the unavoidable death of an innocent hostage”. Sure, everyone could have ended up fine if they would have just chased the car, using road blocks, etc. Once again though, that doesn’t guarantee that the bank robbers would have stopped shooting at the cops. Then you still have the scenarios of bank robbers hitting innocent bystanders (other cars), causing car accidents, shooting the hostage and throwing her out the car to slow down the police, etc. Sadly, no one has a crystal ball that says “if you would have done this, no innocent would have been injured.”

              Whatever scenario I can think of, I can also thing of a way that some innocent could die.

              Yes, 600 bullets is A LOT, but were they all from the police? I haven’t seen any information that says either way. Also just as above, if you really get to thinking, explanations can be made for that many. Some good, some bad, but if you think with an open mind, you can see both points of view.

              • Sylvers

                Well there are never ‘guarantees’, but what I was trying to say was, that all my suggestions have a decent chance of not killing the hostage, whereas shooting at the car has only one outcome. Yes, they may have saved the lives of other civilians (not that we’ll ever know). But do cops really have the authority to kill one civilian to potentially save more than one? I donnu. I don’t like to think so.

                I have to agree with you, that the consequences of any decision in that situation are so complex and diverse, that it is virtually impossible to calculate the outcome.

                I will tell you this though. If I was one of those cops, I would not have shot at the car. I could not justify it to myself. I wonder what you envision yourself doing in the same position.

                • Lisa Erickson

                  I honestly do not know, which is why I would NEVER want to be an officer (and you wouldn’t want me to be in this situation). I think too much to truly know what I would have done.

                  This is the way I think and I see the situation. no matter my decision, it would be wrong because I know that I would pick the wrong one. If I hadn’t opened fired and the hostage survived but others died, I would be devastated. If I opened fired and the hostage died, I would be devastated. If I didn’t open fire and everyone was safe, I’d be ecstatic.

                  Let me ask you this. You are in a situation where you have to make a choice: Have a high probability of killing one person in order to potentially save/protect more than one or do nothing and have a chance of having several people die? You have less than a second to decide. I, personally, can’t think that fast.

                  • Sylvers

                    I’ve often pondered that particular question. Can I doom one innocent life, in exchange for saving several? It is something of an ethical conundrum. Either ways, you’re responsible for the death of an innocent. But can I make the choice?

                    I think if I am being honest with myself.. yes I can make a choice. I just I wouldn’t want to admit it. If a choice HAS to be made. That is, if the choice of inaction will cost more innocent lives, than either of the previous choices.. I think I would surrender to ‘the lesser evil’, by electing the lesser number of losses. i.e one innocent life in place of several. However, that is a decision that I would live the rest of my life pondering my guilt over. It is such an evil fate for the man who has to make that call.

                    It is.. an interesting question for that matter. Helps you learn some facts about yourself.

                    • Lisa Erickson

                      Thank you.

                      I enjoyed the intelligent and thoughtful insights/responses that you provided without calling anyone names.

                      Have a great day.

                      • Sylvers

                        I too enjoyed our talk. It is always a refreshing change of pace from the usual drivel you expect in an internet discussion.

                        Have a great day yourself 🙂

    • gomugomu

      cops, the new crime organization of america…..getting away with murders because they have badges and no balls.

    • James Valengavich

      Don’t call them ‘police’ anymore. They don’t like that. ‘Master Race’ is what they want to be known as.

    • rick

      Ok this takes stupidity to a whole other level. What complete keystone morons

    • BK

      looks like those cop are operating under the, kill’em all let GOD sort them out rule

    • tdh57

      Stories like this sure give me reason to lack sympathy when a cop dies in the line of duty.

    • Bob Welsh

      Cops are nuts. And generally a poor shot.

    • Brian Ahern

      Something is profoundly wrong with “law enforcement” in this country. We are seeing stories like this every day. When we see this in foreign countries we call it “human rights violation.”

      • wolfendenpackleader

        over 200 people killed by police in the last 2 months and nothing said, 1 person with Ebola and the country goes insane.

    • Baby George

      What happend to the old fashioned “follow the car till it ran out of gas and the guy runs out of food?” At that point has has to talk and the hostage is still alive. Today’s cops are morons who kill first then figure out what happened later. They are just gang members hiding inside a uniform.

    • JosMar

      the woman in the car was white or black

    • slowboat2

      Were assult weapons used by police. If yes, did the police get them from this administration? If the car had 600 bullet holes there is no telling how many were fired. HELL, the police had to stop and reload their weapons. This is crazy. THE police need somo time on the range with some of the 3 billion rounds of hollow-point bullets (which are outlawed by the Geneva convention) our Homeland security folks recently bought.

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Machete Greg

      These cops definitely need more training. Gees, they can’t tell an Indian from a black African?

    • Richard Steinke

      There is no excuse for the number of officers engaging this suspect……no excuse for the number of rounds fired……I am a former police officer/detective and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this is a case of everyone wanting to get in on the kill and not be left out……. There is….in a good shooting policy primary shooters and secondary shooters with multiple perimeters. This action by all these officers is nothing less than criminal incompetence.

    • Richard Steinke

      There is no excuse for the number of officers engaging this suspect……no excuse for the number of rounds fired……I am a former police officer/detective and I can tell you with absolute certainty that this is a case of everyone wanting to get in on the kill and not be left out……. There is….in a good shooting policy primary shooters and secondary shooters with multiple perimeters. This action by all these officers is nothing less than criminal incompetence.

      • Bulldog

        As a current officer, the scenario you describe is great only it won’t work during a high speed pursuit where hostages are being shot and thrown from the moving car. Barricaded subjects sure, primary and secondary but at 100 mph, mass chaos, you don’t know even where they are going, you can’t set up secondary shooters in that scenario. Then the car slides to a stop and fully auto AK fire everywhere. You should know better.

        • Richard Steinke

          You are correct if that is what happened, but the article that I commented on did not have that detail although I became aware of it later on. Assuming as you said there was a high speed chase and that high speed chase was ongoing the police had no business shooting under any circumstances. Risk of collateral damage would be too great. I assumed the vehicle had stopped when the exchange started which is still what I understand happened ultimately. Just because the shooters were unloading on police, absent the police being in an exposed position unable to take cover, the rule would be to allow them to unload their weapons and shoot only to disable the vehicle and keep them contained. The goal would be to de-escalate assuming that was even possible. As for my knowing better, I have trained cops from Kosovo to Colombia and operated in Mexico and as a US Cop, so trust me when I tell you I have been in a great many horrific shootouts in my day. There were a great many chances for the cops NOT to shoot this hostage…..I am not saying they would not have been killed, I am just saying the cops had a shot at it not being them that did the killing……sometimes that is all you can hope for.

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • JUDGEDREDD

      WOW! The cops are suspended WITH PAY pending an investigation. Only in America can cops knowingly murder a civilian and then get a paid leave. The end result of this is that the screwed up legal system will determine this to be a suicide and all charges will be dropped. People, wake up! If a cop is coming at you hand his or her gun has been pulled, kill that animal before it kills you!

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Bulldog

      .Im sure this wont be popular but this is my opinion. This entire incident is tragic and painful but the blame lies with the gang bangers. Two hostages had been shot and thrown from a moving vehicle. Stats show that if a hostage is removed from the original scene their chance of death exceeds 80% in most cases. The totality of the circumstances has to be taken into consideration. The police were receiving fully auto fire that will go right through their vests and AK 47 rounds from the robbers were being sprayed all over. There were many other innocent people who were in jeopardy. Unlike Dirty Harry sometimes you have to look at the overall threat and risk of injury. Best case scenario is innocent people go home and bad guys go to jail but that is not always reality. I really hate to say this but if one person has to die to save many others from harm she was the only one in that position. The majority of the rounds were in the final flurry and I’m sure they decided to end it right then and hope for the best. I know the parents won’t understand and I probably wouldn’t either but im not sure if I wouldn’t have done the same thing. I don’t know I wasn’t there but I do understand the reasoning. That’s just the harsh reality of making split second decisions when you are being shot at with superior weapons that panels of lawyers and judges takes years to decide if you made the right choice. There was no time for a negotiator or S.W.A.T. the shooting has started. You can’t back off and wait for them to take their hostage into a grocery store, now you got 50. The lawsuits would have come anyway, some would say the officers didn’t do enough if they backed off and some would claim overkill. I pray for the family of the hostage but I know if I was in command and being shot at like they were I would unload everything I had.

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • Monalisa Barnes

      poor girl i pray for the family.so sorry for the death of your child.so sad,

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • mrcontinental

      And for what? A couple thousand dollars perhaps?

      And people wonder why no one trust law enforcement any longer. Everyone one of these morons should be stripped of their badges.

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

    • Angus Young

      steel … you know who you are . A snitch type of person … a moderator for this page … does not matter .
      Speaking of those troopers you brought up ! These cops are not HEROES … Well , Quite simply I would have taken all of the squad out !
      But of course I dont have a reason to ! Another pro police comment mentioned having a neighbor who is a cop and can shoot ! Shooting a person who is sleeping in their bed … or sitting in their car … just shooting sniper style in general is nothing but low down and dirty . I am quite sure if he was facing me … a different outcome all together .
      Some of you have focused on post 911 events. So called soldiers, including glory hounds who believe that they are HEROES but let me remind you … There are highly trained people out there known as VETS ! No ! Not Vietnam or Korea … Not WW2 … Modern and capable SOLDIERS !
      The terrible TRUTH is that as long as our govt continues to support these psychopaths and BULLIES … A REBELLION IS COMING !
      Those who support these guys are enemies of FREEDOM !

      • Bulldog

        there is no rebellion coming but if so I hope to see you leading it if your that amped up. Who do you think makes up half of the police forces these days, those highly trained vets you mentioned. Take yourself a Xanax and breath it will be ok.

        • Angus Young

          Dont worry Puke ! I can handle a bunch of wash outs … I am the most dangerous adversary … You will never see or know who I am ! Even online I do not exist !

    • Gregory Winston

      “The Rise Of The Warrior Cop”. What a disgrace. there is NO justification for this at all – and if that were my wife that had been turned into Swiss cheese because of uniformed trigger-happy out-of-control bloodlust, I would be a VERY unhappy camper. Someone’s wife, someone’s mother was riddled with bullets because of this insanity. You think that if that woman had been a cop’s wife, that they would have pumped 600 rounds into that car? You think if that had been the wife of the D.A. that this wouldn’t be a much bigger problem for the Stockton PD? I have totally lost faith in law enforcement in this country.

    • Gregory Winston

      “The Rise Of The Warrior Cop”. What a disgrace. there is NO justification for this at all – and if that were my wife that had been turned into Swiss cheese because of uniformed trigger-happy out-of-control bloodlust, I would be a VERY unhappy camper. Someone’s wife, someone’s mother was riddled with bullets because of this insanity. You think that if that woman had been a cop’s wife, that they would have pumped 600 rounds into that car? You think if that had been the wife of the D.A. that this wouldn’t be a much bigger problem for the Stockton PD? I have totally lost faith in law enforcement in this country.

    • Gregory Winston

      “The Rise Of The Warrior Cop”. What a disgrace. there is NO justification for this at all – and if that were my wife that had been turned into Swiss cheese because of uniformed trigger-happy out-of-control bloodlust, I would be a VERY unhappy camper. Someone’s wife, someone’s mother was riddled with bullets because of this insanity. You think that if that woman had been a cop’s wife, that they would have pumped 600 rounds into that car? You think if that had been the wife of the D.A. that this wouldn’t be a much bigger problem for the Stockton PD? I have totally lost faith in law enforcement in this country.

    • Gregory Winston

      “The Rise Of The Warrior Cop”. What a disgrace. there is NO justification for this at all – and if that were my wife that had been turned into Swiss cheese because of uniformed trigger-happy out-of-control bloodlust, I would be a VERY unhappy camper. Someone’s wife, someone’s mother was riddled with bullets because of this insanity. You think that if that woman had been a cop’s wife, that they would have pumped 600 rounds into that car? You think if that had been the wife of the D.A. that this wouldn’t be a much bigger problem for the Stockton PD? I have totally lost faith in law enforcement in this country.

    • Gregory Winston

      “The Rise Of The Warrior Cop”. What a disgrace. there is NO justification for this at all – and if that were my wife that had been turned into Swiss cheese because of uniformed trigger-happy out-of-control bloodlust, I would be a VERY unhappy camper. Someone’s wife, someone’s mother was riddled with bullets because of this insanity. You think that if that woman had been a cop’s wife, that they would have pumped 600 rounds into that car? You think if that had been the wife of the D.A. that this wouldn’t be a much bigger problem for the Stockton PD? I have totally lost faith in law enforcement in this country.

    • Skull Crusher

      cops are terrorists

    • Luek

      So, what do these people want? A big payday from the state? Nah!!!! Can’t be that! Should have gone to India with her Indian family.

    • Luek

      So, what do these people want? A big payday from the state? Nah!!!! Can’t be that! Should have gone to India with her Indian family.

    • Luek

      So, what do these people want? A big payday from the state? Nah!!!! Can’t be that! Should have gone to India with her Indian family.

    • Luek

      So, what do these people want? A big payday from the state? Nah!!!! Can’t be that! Should have gone to India with her Indian family.

    • Luek

      So, what do these people want? A big payday from the state? Nah!!!! Can’t be that! Should have gone to India with her Indian family.

    • Luek

      So, what do these people want? A big payday from the state? Nah!!!! Can’t be that! Should have gone to India with her Indian family.

    • Copmy D

      And all they need is one bullet to the head of the bank robber to end the ordeal?????? What’s up with that report???? 600 bullets are wasted and not to mention they may have hit the by standers ! Do those cops have any brain???

    • Copmy D

      And all they need is one bullet to the head of the bank robber to end the ordeal?????? What’s up with that report???? 600 bullets are wasted and not to mention they may have hit the by standers ! Do those cops have any brain???

    • Copmy D

      And all they need is one bullet to the head of the bank robber to end the ordeal?????? What’s up with that report???? 600 bullets are wasted and not to mention they may have hit the by standers ! Do those cops have any brain???

    • Copmy D

      And all they need is one bullet to the head of the bank robber to end the ordeal?????? What’s up with that report???? 600 bullets are wasted and not to mention they may have hit the by standers ! Do those cops have any brain???

    • Pearlbuck

      The number of bullets isn’t really the issue. Police are taught to shoot to kill in certain situations. The real issue is why police decided to sacrifice an innocent victim. Let’s shift the focus from violent thugs who get killed fighting with police to situations where undeniably innocent people are killed by police.

    • Pearlbuck

      The number of bullets isn’t really the issue. Police are taught to shoot to kill in certain situations. The real issue is why police decided to sacrifice an innocent victim. Let’s shift the focus from violent thugs who get killed fighting with police to situations where undeniably innocent people are killed by police.

    • HARD TRUTH CNN CAN’T HANDLE

      Meanwhile blacks brutally rape 100 white women a day in America. Media silent.

    • HARD TRUTH CNN CAN’T HANDLE

      Meanwhile blacks brutally rape 100 white women a day in America. Media silent.

    • HARD TRUTH CNN CAN’T HANDLE

      Meanwhile blacks kill 10 whites a day in America. Media silent.

    • HARD TRUTH CNN CAN’T HANDLE

      Meanwhile blacks kill 10 whites a day in America. Media silent.

    • will201966

      Trigger happy cops.No regards for this person’s life

    • will201966

      Trigger happy cops.No regards for this person’s life

    • Don Newkirk

      Just cops using their authority to kill one more person. They do it all the time, not all police officers are trustworthy enough to carry a badge and a gun.

    • Don Newkirk

      Just cops using their authority to kill one more person. They do it all the time, not all police officers are trustworthy enough to carry a badge and a gun.

    • John Smith

      Too BAD ! It should have been MY EXWIFE not this inoocent women !!!!! Pray for her and her family

    • John Smith

      Too BAD ! It should have been MY EXWIFE not this inoocent women !!!!! Pray for her and her family

    • John Smith

      Too BAD ! It should have been MY EXWIFE not this inoocent women !!!!! Pray for her and her family

    • John Smith

      Too BAD ! It should have been MY EXWIFE not this inoocent women !!!!! Pray for her and her family

    • John Smith

      Too BAD ! It should have been MY EXWIFE not this inoocent women !!!!! Pray for her and her family

    • DrGonzo7719

      Just more evidence, folks, that the police are not interested nor are they even required to protect you from violence. If you get between them and their target, they’ll shoot you without even thinking about it. Cops do not protect citizens from violence. They simply sort through the mess after you’ve been assaulted or killed. Conceal carry, always. YOU are responsible for protecting the safety of yourself and your family.

    • DrGonzo7719

      Just more evidence, folks, that the police are not interested nor are they even required to protect you from violence. If you get between them and their target, they’ll shoot you without even thinking about it. Cops do not protect citizens from violence. They simply sort through the mess after you’ve been assaulted or killed. Conceal carry, always. YOU are responsible for protecting the safety of yourself and your family.

    • DrGonzo7719

      Just more evidence, folks, that the police are not interested nor are they even required to protect you from violence. If you get between them and their target, they’ll shoot you without even thinking about it. Cops do not protect citizens from violence. They simply sort through the mess after you’ve been assaulted or killed. Conceal carry, always. YOU are responsible for protecting the safety of yourself and your family.

    • DrGonzo7719

      Just more evidence, folks, that the police are not interested nor are they even required to protect you from violence. If you get between them and their target, they’ll shoot you without even thinking about it. Cops do not protect citizens from violence. They simply sort through the mess after you’ve been assaulted or killed. Conceal carry, always. YOU are responsible for protecting the safety of yourself and your family.

    • DrGonzo7719

      Just more evidence, folks, that the police are not interested nor are they even required to protect you from violence. If you get between them and their target, they’ll shoot you without even thinking about it. Cops do not protect citizens from violence. They simply sort through the mess after you’ve been assaulted or killed. Conceal carry, always. YOU are responsible for protecting the safety of yourself and your family.

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • Pat

      Stockton is a mirror image of South-Central and East Los Angeles

    • McD56

      FIRE every one of those IDIOT cops……..600 bullets…OK, I USUALLY stick up for the cops but this time they went too far…..THAT IS COMPLETE OVERKILL………NEVER shoot into a car, room, etc knowing a hostage is in there…….DUMBAZZED IDIOTS

    • McD56

      FIRE every one of those IDIOT cops……..600 bullets…OK, I USUALLY stick up for the cops but this time they went too far…..THAT IS COMPLETE OVERKILL………NEVER shoot into a car, room, etc knowing a hostage is in there…….DUMBAZZED IDIOTS

    • McD56

      FIRE every one of those IDIOT cops……..600 bullets…OK, I USUALLY stick up for the cops but this time they went too far…..THAT IS COMPLETE OVERKILL………NEVER shoot into a car, room, etc knowing a hostage is in there…….DUMBAZZED IDIOTS

    • McD56

      FIRE every one of those IDIOT cops……..600 bullets…OK, I USUALLY stick up for the cops but this time they went too far…..THAT IS COMPLETE OVERKILL………NEVER shoot into a car, room, etc knowing a hostage is in there…….DUMBAZZED IDIOTS

    • BadBob

      Oh well, I sure hope they killed all that was in that car. If a hostage had to be killed in order to kill the rest of them in that car, that is the price freedom has to pay. Just another reason to never arrest a terrorist, only kill them. All human countries to adopt this as a policy and much more of them will be elminated.

    • BadBob

      Oh well, I sure hope they killed all that was in that car. If a hostage had to be killed in order to kill the rest of them in that car, that is the price freedom has to pay. Just another reason to never arrest a terrorist, only kill them. All human countries to adopt this as a policy and much more of them will be elminated.

    • BadBob

      Oh well, I sure hope they killed all that was in that car. If a hostage had to be killed in order to kill the rest of them in that car, that is the price freedom has to pay. Just another reason to never arrest a terrorist, only kill them. All human countries to adopt this as a policy and much more of them will be elminated.

    • BadBob

      Oh well, I sure hope they killed all that was in that car. If a hostage had to be killed in order to kill the rest of them in that car, that is the price freedom has to pay. Just another reason to never arrest a terrorist, only kill them. All human countries to adopt this as a policy and much more of them will be elminated.

    • Tough Guy

      Look up Eden Prairie highway shooting.

      Minnesotan’s might be nice, the police, not so much. Last February, after a car chase, they executed a man and woman on the highway claiming the man had a knife. They were completely surrounded by police and sheriff’s deputies who were not in any danger, hiding behind their cars, from a (supposed) knife yielding man. There were multiple dash cams recording the whole event, yet the public has never seen a single frame and the story was swept under the rug. I implore CNN to investigate the outcome of the police “investigation” and find out what really happened here.

    • Tough Guy

      Look up Eden Prairie highway shooting.

      Minnesotan’s might be nice, the police, not so much. Last February, after a car chase, they executed a man and woman on the highway claiming the man had a knife. They were completely surrounded by police and sheriff’s deputies who were not in any danger, hiding behind their cars, from a (supposed) knife yielding man. There were multiple dash cams recording the whole event, yet the public has never seen a single frame and the story was swept under the rug. I implore CNN to investigate the outcome of the police “investigation” and find out what really happened here.

    • Tough Guy

      Look up Eden Prairie highway shooting.

      Minnesotan’s might be nice, the police, not so much. Last February, after a car chase, they executed a man and woman on the highway claiming the man had a knife. They were completely surrounded by police and sheriff’s deputies who were not in any danger, hiding behind their cars, from a (supposed) knife yielding man. There were multiple dash cams recording the whole event, yet the public has never seen a single frame and the story was swept under the rug. I implore CNN to investigate the outcome of the police “investigation” and find out what really happened here.

    • Tough Guy

      Look up Eden Prairie highway shooting.

      Minnesotan’s might be nice, the police, not so much. Last February, after a car chase, they executed a man and woman on the highway claiming the man had a knife. They were completely surrounded by police and sheriff’s deputies who were not in any danger, hiding behind their cars, from a (supposed) knife yielding man. There were multiple dash cams recording the whole event, yet the public has never seen a single frame and the story was swept under the rug. I implore CNN to investigate the outcome of the police “investigation” and find out what really happened here.

    • Tough Guy

      Look up Eden Prairie highway shooting.

      Minnesotan’s might be nice, the police, not so much. Last February, after a car chase, they executed a man and woman on the highway claiming the man had a knife. They were completely surrounded by police and sheriff’s deputies who were not in any danger, hiding behind their cars, from a (supposed) knife yielding man. There were multiple dash cams recording the whole event, yet the public has never seen a single frame and the story was swept under the rug. I implore CNN to investigate the outcome of the police “investigation” and find out what really happened here.

    • Charles Newman

      Just like sharks smelling a little blood when suddenly all hell breaks loose and the uncontrolled frenzy begins. Only this was worse since the cops murdered an innocent hostage in the process.

    • Charles Newman

      Just like sharks smelling a little blood when suddenly all hell breaks loose and the uncontrolled frenzy begins. Only this was worse since the cops murdered an innocent hostage in the process.

    • Dave Oldman

      How many cops does it take to subdue one criminal in a car – 33 cops and 600 rounds of ammo.

    • Dave Oldman

      How many cops does it take to subdue one criminal in a car – 33 cops and 600 rounds of ammo.

    • Dave Oldman

      How many cops does it take to subdue one criminal in a car – 33 cops and 600 rounds of ammo.

    • Dave Oldman

      How many cops does it take to subdue one criminal in a car – 33 cops and 600 rounds of ammo.

    • Clayton Howell

      Anyone else beginning to think that police are beginning to be as bad as some of the thugs they are supposed to be apprehending?

    • Clayton Howell

      Anyone else beginning to think that police are beginning to be as bad as some of the thugs they are supposed to be apprehending?

      • Tommy100

        I would rather encounter cops than thugs anytime. I am not a threat to cops.

      • Tommy100

        I would rather encounter cops than thugs anytime. I am not a threat to cops.

      • Tommy100

        I would rather encounter cops than thugs anytime. I am not a threat to cops.

    • Clayton Howell

      Anyone else beginning to think that police are beginning to be as bad as some of the thugs they are supposed to be apprehending?

    • john carter

      One grenade would have done the trick, not missed, and saved the bullets. Coming to Law Enforcement in your area soon. What ever happened to drones with tranquilizers? Surely, the drones are small enough, fast enough, and the operator is safe.

    • john carter

      One grenade would have done the trick, not missed, and saved the bullets. Coming to Law Enforcement in your area soon. What ever happened to drones with tranquilizers? Surely, the drones are small enough, fast enough, and the operator is safe.

    • john carter

      One grenade would have done the trick, not missed, and saved the bullets. Coming to Law Enforcement in your area soon. What ever happened to drones with tranquilizers? Surely, the drones are small enough, fast enough, and the operator is safe.

    • john carter

      One grenade would have done the trick, not missed, and saved the bullets. Coming to Law Enforcement in your area soon. What ever happened to drones with tranquilizers? Surely, the drones are small enough, fast enough, and the operator is safe.

    • hangman

      Yesseree, another reason cops should not be allowed to have guns. Ever since they got the idiotic supreme court to agree with them that they are not there to ‘PROTECT AND SERVE’ , they have become the biggest danger to the public.Since they don’t have to protect instead of murder their ’employers’, and have shown to much criminal irresponsibility, take away their guns, and allow the armed citizens, who are responsible and not being overpaid to murder, to handle it. A whole lot safer and more effective.

    • hangman

      Yesseree, another reason cops should not be allowed to have guns. Ever since they got the idiotic supreme court to agree with them that they are not there to ‘PROTECT AND SERVE’ , they have become the biggest danger to the public.Since they don’t have to protect instead of murder their ’employers’, and have shown to much criminal irresponsibility, take away their guns, and allow the armed citizens, who are responsible and not being overpaid to murder, to handle it. A whole lot safer and more effective.

    • hangman

      Yesseree, another reason cops should not be allowed to have guns. Ever since they got the idiotic supreme court to agree with them that they are not there to ‘PROTECT AND SERVE’ , they have become the biggest danger to the public.Since they don’t have to protect instead of murder their ’employers’, and have shown to much criminal irresponsibility, take away their guns, and allow the armed citizens, who are responsible and not being overpaid to murder, to handle it. A whole lot safer and more effective.

    • hangman

      Yesseree, another reason cops should not be allowed to have guns. Ever since they got the idiotic supreme court to agree with them that they are not there to ‘PROTECT AND SERVE’ , they have become the biggest danger to the public.Since they don’t have to protect instead of murder their ’employers’, and have shown to much criminal irresponsibility, take away their guns, and allow the armed citizens, who are responsible and not being overpaid to murder, to handle it. A whole lot safer and more effective.

    • Dorian

      These cops are wastes of human space.

    • Dorian

      These cops are wastes of human space.

    • Dorian

      These cops are wastes of human space.

    • Dorian

      These cops are wastes of human space.

    • Melissa Manns

      Wow, I am sorry, but I would be suing the H@LL out of that Police Department! What were they thinking (well, they weren’t) when they fired into a car KNOWING there was an innocent hostage in there!? THAT is murder in my book, and every single office that fired a shot should be terminated from the department. Unreal.

    • Melissa Manns

      Wow, I am sorry, but I would be suing the H@LL out of that Police Department! What were they thinking (well, they weren’t) when they fired into a car KNOWING there was an innocent hostage in there!? THAT is murder in my book, and every single office that fired a shot should be terminated from the department. Unreal.

    • Melissa Manns

      Wow, I am sorry, but I would be suing the H@LL out of that Police Department! What were they thinking (well, they weren’t) when they fired into a car KNOWING there was an innocent hostage in there!? THAT is murder in my book, and every single office that fired a shot should be terminated from the department. Unreal.

    • Melissa Manns

      Wow, I am sorry, but I would be suing the H@LL out of that Police Department! What were they thinking (well, they weren’t) when they fired into a car KNOWING there was an innocent hostage in there!? THAT is murder in my book, and every single office that fired a shot should be terminated from the department. Unreal.

      • Tommy100

        I would sue h@ll out of Obama. He is the one who turned these people loose on us.

      • Tommy100

        I would sue h@ll out of Obama. He is the one who turned these people loose on us.

      • Tommy100

        I would sue h@ll out of Obama. He is the one who turned these people loose on us.

    • Sam Ackerman

      Ok I have not watched the video. But sometimes a bad people just have to be put down. If they are endangering other people by leading a high speed chase through a busy area. Or they are shooting during the chase. Or in this case they are shooting while using the hostage as a shield. I am truly sorry for the hostage, but he had to be put down in order to keep the body count down.

    • Sam Ackerman

      Ok I have not watched the video. But sometimes a bad people just have to be put down. If they are endangering other people by leading a high speed chase through a busy area. Or they are shooting during the chase. Or in this case they are shooting while using the hostage as a shield. I am truly sorry for the hostage, but he had to be put down in order to keep the body count down.

    • Sam Ackerman

      Ok I have not watched the video. But sometimes a bad people just have to be put down. If they are endangering other people by leading a high speed chase through a busy area. Or they are shooting during the chase. Or in this case they are shooting while using the hostage as a shield. I am truly sorry for the hostage, but he had to be put down in order to keep the body count down.

    • Sam Ackerman

      Ok I have not watched the video. But sometimes a bad people just have to be put down. If they are endangering other people by leading a high speed chase through a busy area. Or they are shooting during the chase. Or in this case they are shooting while using the hostage as a shield. I am truly sorry for the hostage, but he had to be put down in order to keep the body count down.

    • Rust Cohle

      Why would you fire at the hostage? I mean the person using the human shield knows the threat they have over the other person is all they have. If he kills her/him he is left with no shield and no leverage. So in all cases of hostage situations would it not be the safest and most logical route to just wait them out rather than spraying and praying? If its a car chase you follow them to their inevitable holdout or what have you and simply stay in a standoff until a swat team with a trained sniper can be used.

    • Rust Cohle

      Why would you fire at the hostage? I mean the person using the human shield knows the threat they have over the other person is all they have. If he kills her/him he is left with no shield and no leverage. So in all cases of hostage situations would it not be the safest and most logical route to just wait them out rather than spraying and praying? If its a car chase you follow them to their inevitable holdout or what have you and simply stay in a standoff until a swat team with a trained sniper can be used.

    • Rust Cohle

      Why would you fire at the hostage? I mean the person using the human shield knows the threat they have over the other person is all they have. If he kills her/him he is left with no shield and no leverage. So in all cases of hostage situations would it not be the safest and most logical route to just wait them out rather than spraying and praying? If its a car chase you follow them to their inevitable holdout or what have you and simply stay in a standoff until a swat team with a trained sniper can be used.

    • Rust Cohle

      Why would you fire at the hostage? I mean the person using the human shield knows the threat they have over the other person is all they have. If he kills her/him he is left with no shield and no leverage. So in all cases of hostage situations would it not be the safest and most logical route to just wait them out rather than spraying and praying? If its a car chase you follow them to their inevitable holdout or what have you and simply stay in a standoff until a swat team with a trained sniper can be used.

    • Cj Miller

      mmmmm bullshit.
      if they only hit 10 out of 600 its time to get these cops a video game and a 12 yr old to teach them to shoot

    • Cj Miller

      mmmmm bullshit.
      if they only hit 10 out of 600 its time to get these cops a video game and a 12 yr old to teach them to shoot

    • Cj Miller

      mmmmm bullshit.
      if they only hit 10 out of 600 its time to get these cops a video game and a 12 yr old to teach them to shoot

    • Cj Miller

      mmmmm bullshit.
      if they only hit 10 out of 600 its time to get these cops a video game and a 12 yr old to teach them to shoot

    • Edward

      The fact is, the officers have to live with the experience the rest of their life while you only have to amuse yourselves with useless comments. I can assure you, that while the officers were being fired upon by murders with an AK47, they were thinking about the hostage, their own wives and children, the wives and children of the additional victims these thugs would kill down the road not to mention last but not least, their own lives. Put it another way, if a commercial jet liner were hurling itself toward a densely populated area at the hands of a hostage taker, do think our government would waste a single second in shooting the plane down killing everyone on board? The only thing you can do at that point is mourn for the 200 people that lost theirs lives to save thousands. I’ve been in harms way more than once, and one thing I know for sure, most of you don’t want to be there and would run the other way. Cops are not perfect, and I know its really popular to want to bash them right know, but take a long look at yourself, if you had to face half of what they do everyday in spite of your comments, you wouldn’t even get out of bed.

    • Edward

      The fact is, the officers have to live with the experience the rest of their life while you only have to amuse yourselves with useless comments. I can assure you, that while the officers were being fired upon by murders with an AK47, they were thinking about the hostage, their own wives and children, the wives and children of the additional victims these thugs would kill down the road not to mention last but not least, their own lives. Put it another way, if a commercial jet liner were hurling itself toward a densely populated area at the hands of a hostage taker, do think our government would waste a single second in shooting the plane down killing everyone on board? The only thing you can do at that point is mourn for the 200 people that lost theirs lives to save thousands. I’ve been in harms way more than once, and one thing I know for sure, most of you don’t want to be there and would run the other way. Cops are not perfect, and I know its really popular to want to bash them right know, but take a long look at yourself, if you had to face half of what they do everyday in spite of your comments, you wouldn’t even get out of bed.

    • Edward

      The fact is, the officers have to live with the experience the rest of their life while you only have to amuse yourselves with useless comments. I can assure you, that while the officers were being fired upon by murders with an AK47, they were thinking about the hostage, their own wives and children, the wives and children of the additional victims these thugs would kill down the road not to mention last but not least, their own lives. Put it another way, if a commercial jet liner were hurling itself toward a densely populated area at the hands of a hostage taker, do think our government would waste a single second in shooting the plane down killing everyone on board? The only thing you can do at that point is mourn for the 200 people that lost theirs lives to save thousands. I’ve been in harms way more than once, and one thing I know for sure, most of you don’t want to be there and would run the other way. Cops are not perfect, and I know its really popular to want to bash them right know, but take a long look at yourself, if you had to face half of what they do everyday in spite of your comments, you wouldn’t even get out of bed.

      • Bulldog

        Well said and I too understand.

    • Richard R Garres

      Those bastards surely will declare “I was affraid of my life” that’s why a fired 18 bullets (each)

    • Richard R Garres

      Those bastards surely will declare “I was affraid of my life” that’s why a fired 18 bullets (each)

    • Richard R Garres

      Those bastards surely will declare “I was affraid of my life” that’s why a fired 18 bullets (each)

    • sharon

      Way overboard complete stupidity.

    • sharon

      Way overboard complete stupidity.

    • sharon

      Way overboard complete stupidity.

    • Do you guys cry and whine when the cops fire hundreds of rounds in the movies? You would pss and moan if they only fired three shots! You know you want that action! Let it go.

    • Do you guys cry and whine when the cops fire hundreds of rounds in the movies? You would pss and moan if they only fired three shots! You know you want that action! Let it go.

    • Do you guys cry and whine when the cops fire hundreds of rounds in the movies? You would pss and moan if they only fired three shots! You know you want that action! Let it go.

    • John B

      This is shear madness and indicates the police cannot be trusted. There should have been one bullet fired from a sharpshooter killing the robber. Where is the critical thinking of the leadership? Each one of those police officers is guilty of murder and should be charged accordingly. Even if they were directed to shoot they should have thought of the consequences. This puts money above the taking of peoples lives. The sharpshooter if employed should not have shot until he knew he had a clear shot.

    • John B

      This is shear madness and indicates the police cannot be trusted. There should have been one bullet fired from a sharpshooter killing the robber. Where is the critical thinking of the leadership? Each one of those police officers is guilty of murder and should be charged accordingly. Even if they were directed to shoot they should have thought of the consequences. This puts money above the taking of peoples lives. The sharpshooter if employed should not have shot until he knew he had a clear shot.

    • John B

      This is shear madness and indicates the police cannot be trusted. There should have been one bullet fired from a sharpshooter killing the robber. Where is the critical thinking of the leadership? Each one of those police officers is guilty of murder and should be charged accordingly. Even if they were directed to shoot they should have thought of the consequences. This puts money above the taking of peoples lives. The sharpshooter if employed should not have shot until he knew he had a clear shot.

    • Rick

      what? These guys closed their eyes when they fired their gun!

    • Rick

      what? These guys closed their eyes when they fired their gun!

    • Rick

      what? These guys closed their eyes when they fired their gun!

    • Sassy

      My condolences for the family of Misty!

      Can’t help but be a bit sarcastic here, but, no rioting? Wow! Nothing, not a sound from Al Sharlaton, jesse what’s his name, Obumfuzzled or Hooligan, Oh, yeah, that’s right, that only happens when a white cop shoots a black thug! Then they all come out of the woodwork like cockroaches!

    • Sassy

      My condolences for the family of Misty!

      Can’t help but be a bit sarcastic here, but, no rioting? Wow! Nothing, not a sound from Al Sharlaton, jesse what’s his name, Obumfuzzled or Hooligan, Oh, yeah, that’s right, that only happens when a white cop shoots a black thug! Then they all come out of the woodwork like cockroaches!

    • Sassy

      My condolences for the family of Misty!

      Can’t help but be a bit sarcastic here, but, no rioting? Wow! Nothing, not a sound from Al Sharlaton, jesse what’s his name, Obumfuzzled or Hooligan, Oh, yeah, that’s right, that only happens when a white cop shoots a black thug! Then they all come out of the woodwork like cockroaches!

    • SirVivor

      Collateral damage (such as a hostage) obviously does not carry near as much importance as getting the perp at all cost. Even if there were more hostages in the car it would not have made a difference to them. Welcome to the United Police States of America where law enforcement can do no wrong and has absolutely 0 accountability to the public they say that they protect and serve.

    • SirVivor

      Collateral damage (such as a hostage) obviously does not carry near as much importance as getting the perp at all cost. Even if there were more hostages in the car it would not have made a difference to them. Welcome to the United Police States of America where law enforcement can do no wrong and has absolutely 0 accountability to the public they say that they protect and serve.

    • SirVivor

      Collateral damage (such as a hostage) obviously does not carry near as much importance as getting the perp at all cost. Even if there were more hostages in the car it would not have made a difference to them. Welcome to the United Police States of America where law enforcement can do no wrong and has absolutely 0 accountability to the public they say that they protect and serve.

    • Richard Matthew

      YEP thos ploice officers always gets their man even if it kills inocent people

    • Richard Matthew

      YEP thos ploice officers always gets their man even if it kills inocent people

    • Richard Matthew

      YEP thos ploice officers always gets their man even if it kills inocent people

    • Ken Elkins

      600 rounds-wow-i think a better way would be to give them atomic weapons to drop from helocopters

    • Ken Elkins

      600 rounds-wow-i think a better way would be to give them atomic weapons to drop from helocopters

    • Ken Elkins

      600 rounds-wow-i think a better way would be to give them atomic weapons to drop from helocopters

    • Guest

      Is 33 cops just emptying their clips a new stratigic response to a fire fight with a hostage?

    • eastcoast_beachguy

      Oh well. Things happen. If she believed in Jesus like a good American, then she is well now!

    • Chico

      there was no call for 600 shots

    • Konig Shaker

      Who’s training these ASSASINS!

    • robert

      Unreal What a tragedy. This was over kill . What were they thinking? Did they think they were in a Combat Zone PATHETIC

      • Bulldog

        lets see multiple suspects with fully auto AK’s, combat zone sounds pretty accurate.

    • stevebarrette

      a lil overkill wasn’t it boys? you all should be hung !

    • Konig Shaker

      No, wonder people hate Cops!

    • wiseoneinmilw

      I just came here to read the comments of the (mostly white) idiots who defend the police officers no matter what.

      • RepublicanMajority2014

        I’d back-track what you said. I’m white and I have distrust in the authority-figureheads. Simply because of the constant flaws they have… Or in slang to you. DEM POPO FOTHERMUCKERS DUN DID DEY THANG IN SHOOTIN’ UP ANOTHA BROTHA!

    • btc909

      Let me guess this was “within policy”?

    • Chico

      cops get off on this kind of stuff.

      • btc909

        You are looked down upon by your fellow cops if you haven’t killed someone.

        Killed is an actual term but i’m sure several code words for “killed” are used depending on the department.

    • TEXAN

      wow, they didnt shoot bonnie and clyde that much. think it was a OVERKILL?, i’d say so…plus to kill a innocent woman in the process, i see LAWSUITS coming.

    • cc grower

      just another of there caveman mentality!

    • RepublicanMajority2014

      Cops doing their thing… OINK-OINK POPO FOTHERMUCKERS! This is why that Freins guy is still on the loose in PA, mocking you idiots. This is why people lack the respect for the badge. Because you clowns abuse it.

    • Al Zeimers

      I’m certain that the bank robbers were all fine upstanding citizens contributing their talents to societies advancement. I would be shooked to learn if they were from the lower elements of society. My guess is that they were church attending GOD loving individuals that had a momentary lapse of sanity. In a court of law it will be brought out that their troubles all started as young children that had improper potty training. They were then most likely sexually abused by their nymphomaniac mothers. Then followed many years of abuse by the system, free food, free cell phones, free, free, free. It’s hard getting all that free stuff. You start feeling superior to all the lazy bastards that go to work and frustrate themselves every day while you lay around on your ass collecting wellfare. I’m sure some fine bleeding heart liberal attorney will do their best to save your ass. Your lucky this happened in CA where the only capitol crime is killing a XXXXXXX politician.

    • James Eme

      As a former police officer I feel there is a reality gap between using deadly force and protecting an officers life. Instances like what is related in this story need to be reviewed as far as why 600 shots were fired ? In the last years I believe officers are being taught to employ way over the top deadly force that is completely unnecessary and cost the life of an innocent person. There is no need to turn the streets into a war zone by the police.

      • RepublicanMajority2014

        Did you ever get a hard-on, beating on unarmed citizens or suspects? Then gave barking orders to boot?

    • Fulano

      Police would rather endanger the public and disrespect human life than take the L and see the public get away with free money and make a public display of contempt for authority. How dare someone rob a bank and get away with it? This is not the Wild West! Such acts of dissent and blatant disrespect for law must be stamped out at all cost, no matter what collateral damage the public has to pay, just so no one gets any ideas we are not fully in charge!

    • mackelby

      This is a very liberal city. Keep voting democrats you idiots.

    • slotiac32

      Automatic weapons at both ends; nothing good will come of this type of crime scene. RIP

    • You’re dreaming

      Is it too late to build a fence around nutjob California and give it to Mexico?

    • Dora Glasberg

      Seems like the commander or chief was totally ignorant of the ‘rules of engagement”here.
      Guess the poor woman was just considered ‘collateral damage.’
      Some need to be held accountable and fired.

    • Richard Matthew

      YEP! The Police always gets their man even if it kills inocent people

    • OMAR M.

      America’s finest at work……we are in trouble.

    • RevVincent

      Also a teenaged girl holding a pocket knife was shot eighteen times when police ‘feared for our lives’

    • uncle sam

      trigger happy assholes… calling themselves police officers, all in the line off duty i’m sure. Am glad i dont live in the land off the “free”. condolences to the family….

    • Hex

      This is just silly. Cops need new training. There is no reason that that many officers have to fire at once.

    • Dan

      In Vietnam, there was a town named Hue, it was captured by the NVA.

      We rescued it by levelling it flat.

      Same idea, you know?

    • RevVincent

      Brings to mind; a man was holding his infant daughter as a hostage. Police opened fire and killed her as well as him

    • Hugh Lokey

      Even though I really dislike Indians the police in this case should be charged with homicide. If they really fired 600 shots then they are totally incompetent and should be immediately fired from the police force.

      • Nev

        She was white, dumbass

        • Hugh Lokey

          Then she was married to an Indian – makes her worse than one!

    • L.D.

      WHY did they shoot at all? That was murder….they ALL knew she was being held…and they had the car and guys surrounded. All they had to do was WAIT, and bring in a NEGOTIATOR, like normal people would do. Every single one of those cops who shot is a murderer.

    • Patrick Henry

      WHEN YOU BECOME A HOSTAGE YOU ARE ALREADY DEAD ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT NO ONE AT THE BANK COULD HELP HER;; NOW A WELLL TRAINED POLICE FORCE THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO THIS 3 WORLD CRAP. 1 SNIPER COULD HAVE FIXED THIS PROBLEM NOBODY EAVEN SHOT AT THE TIRES . THIS STATE HAVE THE WORST COPS;; KILLERS

    • Tantalus XVI

      “Police and military should be the only people with guns!”

      DAYUM! You sure about that Moms? What is this “The Negotiator,” did she have dirt on the department?

    • derdagian1

      It seems that we have paid Ali Al Goof Gore TOO much money. It’s Cold!

      Dem Ali Gore needs to crank that global thermostat that only Dems and Goof Gore control.

    • Jeff1911

      Why is the police department still operating independently as a law enforcement agency? Why hasn’t the DOJ stepped in and assumed operational control of this entire department? One officer shooting at a car with a known innocent hostage is a poor decision. THIRTY THREE officers all doing it is sign of recklessness and incompetence by everyone from chief on down. The public is at a greater risk of harm by their police officers than by the thugs on the streets!

      • Tommy100

        The DOJ? Ha! They are more incompetent and corrupt than anyone.

        • Jeff1911

          TOTALLY AGREE when it comes to Holder and his top lieutenants, but at the local field offices there are some people who actually care. Take New Orleans, its police department underwent a complete review and housecleaning by the local DOJ office. Citizen complaints are finally being addressed. Training issues are being resolved. The department is facing its challenges head on.

    • John Baker

      ahhhhh incompetence

    • Tommy100

      This article is very short on information and raises more questions than the one or two it answered. It is the media peddling their agenda. It is useless in conveying the news.

      • lg

        It’s nice to see not everyone buys into this propaganda. There are way too many monday morning quarterbacks in the comments section.

    • raziel71

      California is the most corrupt and abusive police state in the whole nation. Of course ,being the socialist state of Nazifornia ,there is nothing more you can expect from them.

    • Stephanie

      That is why today LOTS of people don’t give a fock if a Cop gets shot and killed. Soon more cops will be the ones six feet under and they had it coming.

    • Laurah Mason

      They didnt follow protocol and charges must be filed.

    • BULLCITY MACK

      the police are out of control

    • Kimar31

      Cops are monsters.

    • me

      those cops mudrered her. those cops need to be given the death penalty. those arrogant trigger happy should have waited it out. what kind of stupid shit heads are being hired by police departments. that could have ben anyone of us or our family member. those cops murded that lady. execute them.

      • peter

        On the other hand, the bank robbers led police on a dangerous chase throughout the entire town while using assault rifles firing hundreds of rounds back at the pursuing officers and innocent people in the area. Along the way, the bank robbers dumped one of the hostages out of their vehicle at freeway speeds. This article is too vague about the incident that occurred.

    • Stephanie

      Focking Cops…they are no better than a Security Guard with a gun. Unprepared-fat-uneducated-stupid-dumb-focks.

    • dbncar

      At some point in time there was a conscious decision made to ignore the life of the hostage. This decision seems to have been OK with every officer present, though maybe not, and it is very disturbing to me that the decision was, to all appearances, collective.

    • Fulano

      Typical police retardation. It’s the same principal as when they get into high speed pursuits. It’s about the collective ego of authority being put before the safety of the citizenry and value of human life, with the added bonus of money being put before human life.

    • Al

      what were the cops thinking? they should have asked the bank robbers nicely, “kind gentlemen, please stop firing those AK47’s at us. You’re breaking the law.” I’m sure that would have worked.

    • Mike Clark

      Well Jack you were not there or one of many being shot at. If you read about these robbers you will learn they were involved in several violent robberies including one where they threw a couple of hostages out of their vehicles doing 50 mph. When you have violent criminals like that you have to engage and engage hard or else other innocent people become victims. But it is always easier to sit back and armchair quarterback. The problem here is this site is full of false statements.,

    • Theryl McCoy

      An innocent person was knowingly shot by police because the police did not want to allow the robber to get away with a few thousand dollars stolen from a bank? I’m am so angry right now I can not even express it. I would spend the rest of my life trying to put every single officer who took a single shot in jail for the rest of their shit-hole lives.

    • joebash

      The cops should just turn the other way when a call comes in. Rape, Murder, Robbery etc. why bother responding just collect a paycheck and go home to their families. Nobody cares about them so why bother. Let all you whiners fend for yourselves. As for the victim here it is a shame that she had to loose her life to another thug. Maybe our government should start taking out all the gangs and thugs then worry about ISIS. I’m for a THUG GANG FREE AMERICA.

    • Truthbetold

      Maybe now EVERYONE will take notice of police tactics…..this has to stop.

    • Chris Seid

      the lone surviving suspect used her as a human shield
      gee wonder who this sounds like?

    • Ron Ewing

      This is unbelievable. What the hell where they thinking. I’m not so sure this isn’t murder.

    • LG

      You have a gang of robbers, who already murdered an innocent person, firing sporadically with automatic weapons in a high speed chase and there are people that think the cops should have just let them go?

    • Maria

      Wasn’t the idea to get her out safely? What did they think would happen when the shot off 600 rounds? OMG!

    • charles

      i can guarantee you that, had the hostage been a valued member of society, i.e. a cop, they wouldn’t have fired and killed him!!!!

    • guy

      600 bullets ? HOLY F !!
      No shots should have ever been fired with a hostage in the car … none the less 600 !
      Im usually on the side of the police but this is completely outrageous.

    • Allen He

      Just when will the US government stop the trigger urge of the police people? I know guys get an urge when they see beautiful women. I prefer to be raped than killed. Can we stop killing before stopping rape?

    • Davis Reyes

      GD Pigs, How long is this society going to allow all this excessive force from the PIGS? They murder who ever they want without consequences! 600 bullets? REALLY!? I am sure all those pigs were scared for their lives. They are nothing but trigger happy murdering PIGS.

    • Calven

      Didn’t this happen like 4 months ago??

    • Barkingdog48

      Prosecute officers for a criminal act. Not the action of professional LEOs but madd dogg Kops. The state and the KOP force ought to pay that family a minimum of 20 million dollars for this act of incompetence. Horrid action by KOPS all over the USA needs to be reined in by Federal law enforcement.

    • Otto

      Bullcraps! the police should use all 600 bullets to clear out the bickering commenters on here and it is including me.

    • Cyborg J

      10/600 hit the victim? Are we 100% sure that these weren’t in fact storm troopers?

    • Mike Clark

      This is a piece of crap article. If you read reputable news accounts you will learn the bank robbers fired hundreds of shots at the police using assault weapons and used the victim as a human shield.

      • Jack

        But they still had a hostage. Normal procedure is to back off to reduce the threat to citizens. Not only was the hostage endangered but so was any other people around by the cops pressuring the criminals. The cops should have dropped back to reduce chance of casualties.

        • lg

          The gang had already killed an innocent person. At that point they were not involved in a simple non-violent crime. The cops had the responibility to protect the rest of the public from these murderers. It is unfortunate that another innocent victem was slain, but that is on the shoulders of the perps.

          • Jack

            That doesn’t change the threat and procedures to keep other civilians safe. When looking for a murder suspect, procedures aren’t changed so that its ok to open fire in crowded street. There is a duty to protect the public and that includes from their own bullets or antagonizing a situation with criminals to make it more dangerous for those around them.

    • Yo_Its_Me

      Police in this country are just trying to 1-up each other in stupidity and reckless abuse of power, I swear!

    • MeMe

      Jesus! Was this the “firing range” or what? *sheesh*

    • Faulke Yue

      money always comes before a human life……

    • DM

      Protect and Serve is no more: Shoot and Kill All is the standard now: Poor Judgment decisions made by poorly trained police officers. Loss of innocent life is forever, Money can be replaced but the value of money is greater then life I see from this situation. Police have the right to protect themselves, true, but they have a greater responsibility to protect the innocent. That is why they took an oath, To Protect and Serve not to overreact just because they have been given the authority to kill. Many police today have become kill crazy and this has to stop.

    • Economic_Refugee

      The Final Scene of “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid”.

    • inthespiritofthelaw

      Siiiggghh….SOME of you people STILL dont get it and never will ….” a lawsuit is warranted ” …..against WHO??! ….riiight ….lets take the easy and most unintuitive answer …SUE THE CITY ….EXCEPT those who want to sue the city or the PD never stop to UNDERSTAND it isnt the city that is getting punished morons , its THE TAXPAYERS that pay for a public officials stupidity and negligence …EACH ONE OF THOSE OFFICERS needs to be individually held accountable ….f**k !!! get a dammned clue .

    • ridewithclyde

      I just wanna see a picture of the robbers!

    • mercantilist

      This is an example of arrogance and collective lack of judgement.

    • BM

      So out of the 600 “supposed” bullets that hit the car, only 1.6% of them hit the hostage? And the cops are bad shots because of it? What if the cops didn’t return fire and four police officers were killed due to being fired upon by an automatic 7.62 rifle. Then the perp proceeds to turn the gun on his hostage and then throws her out of the car. Now 5 people are dead and the perp is still on the loose to possibly kill more people. Don’t blame the police officers for this, blame the moron that was shooting at them. He is the one that killed her.

    • Pete

      I live in the city in which this terrible incident occurred. After taking hostages, the bank robbers led police on a dangerous pursuit all around town. At the same time, they were firing back at police using assault rifles with no regard to any pedestrians in the neighborhoods they drove through. Its a miracle no innocent bystander was hit during the chase. As soon as they reached the edge of town, police fired into the vehicle because these guys needed to be stopped. I believe that was their thought process at the time.

      In my opinion, if there are ever hostages involved, police should never fire their weapons until the hostages are free and out of harms way. On the other hand, the bank robbers could have done far worse to the community had they been allowed to continue their getaway…

    • Terry Joslin

      How is it possible that these officers are still employed as policemen, the arrogance and ignorance shown by these men reflects on law enforcement officers everywhere, is it any wonder, that people no longer respect the uniform, the badge or those who wear them.

    • Jeni

      It was an impossible situation. The hostage was put in that situation by the bank robbers, not police. If police had stopped chase as some have suggested the possibility for more victims would have risen. It doesn’t take long for a suspect to get out of the sight of police. They could have dumped the car in a neighborhood and broken into a home now with more hostages, including children. They showed their lack of compassion for hostages and others by throwing them out of the vehicle and using one as a human shield. For those who believe she may have just been let go at the end of this come across as naive. Like I said, its an impossible situation for the police to be in. You have hundreds of bullets coming from the robbers guns in your direction and the direction of other innocent people. You don’t have an option to close your eyes and not go after them. I am NOT saying what happened was ok by any means, but its so easy to Monday morning quarterback decisions that have to be made in a split second with bullets flying at your head.

    • BIll Teston

      What they are not saying is that the cops have to account for every round fired.
      How many missed the car completely and went off into surrounding neighborhoods?

    • buck4life

      I can promise you, that the command to shoot, came from a higher authority. Heads will roll over this. Cops can’t wait for a situation to come up, where they can pull that trigger. This became a shooting frenzy.

    • BIll Teston

      I believe I saw this video on Idiocracy…
      The beauty of this story is that every one of those officers would have had to reload at least once.
      This is a murder plain and simply. When will enough of the police state be enough.

    • Bryan

      Now it’s time to play the blame game in this week’s episode of “Who can we sue?”.

    • noahharris

      Whenever you bring a gun into a situation someone is bound to get hurt. Sometimes there’s no alternative but to shoot, but even then as a rule something tragic will happen. As I taught my kids, guns are for real. It’s not like on TV where after getting wounded the wounded person is fully recovered the next week. You don’t recover from a bullet wound and dead is for real. Bullets that ‘miss’ keep on going and who knows where they’ll land up…sometimes miles away. As a person with a license to carry a handgun believe me… the situation would have to be dire and immediate. Most cops understand this; most people understand this, but even in the most dire of situations a drawn gun means a tragic ending for everyone. Sad, but true.

    • Richard Britton Scroggins

      This is partially a result of an out of control police force, but there are deeper issues. One is that no sane person has an interest anymore in being in municipal law enforcement due to the corruption. Another issue is that due to gun control, few people grow up shooting, so marksmanship is lacking. One well placed shot would have done the job, no need for 600 shots. Recently in N.Y., the cops shot seven civilians before hitting the bad guy.

    • dee

      Sicko murderers.

    • citizen

      And the police win the Vladimir Putin award for hostage rescue!

    • Walter White

      I wonder what all of the police were THINKING when they were firing. It sounds like a pack mentality, usually found in animals or gang members. ( no difference)

    • Easyeddieg

      REALLY? How irresponsible. That is criminally insane to fire 600 rounds into anything containing a hostage. REALLY?

    • Reginald Von Storch

      Most of thocops should be terminated because it’s obvious they don’t know how to
      use firearms . If they spent more time learning how to be cops instead of how to
      shake down small businesses for freebee food & drink

    • Boz

      I thought this type of Police action only happened in Cleveland, Oh! Maybe it’s a national trend. Militarize your Police and you can’t complain went they act like the Military. Contrary to general belief and TV commercials, the Military is not there to help around the world. The Military was formed and maintained to KILL! That is their mission. Any other services performed by them are just incidental, and that is the direction our Police are taking these days. Welcome to the New Police State!

    • tom tompson

      what a bunch of fkkd up police. shooting at the car with the hostage inside. this is why these retarded policemen need to be kicked out of the force. you don’t shoot at a criminal using a victim as a shield. guntards everywhere and most are in the police in this country.

    • Roger

      Had the hostage been a cop the outcome would have been different, after all she was only an ordinary citizen and expendable.

    • #ZOMBIESQUAD

      thats 33 cops that should be held accountable for 1st degree murder.
      the government, especially a public servant, cannot and should not have a power, deeming anyone as
      “expendable” because “public safety” means “public safety” and she was a member of said “public”

    • Ihatethisguy

      So very sad. Police lost control of their minds in that moment. There needs to be some kind of punishment especially to the one that gave the command to shoot.

    • Dave

      how many rounds did the perps fire ? 1000 ? 2000 ?

    • Simon

      Policemen should be more than “shooters”. An innocent person is in the car, and the police know it? And yet the only way they knew to handle it was to spray it with bullets? Sounds like a bunch of itchy finger thugs to me.

    • Glenn Macleod

      Cops carry weapons to “protect THEMSELVES”.. Anyone who believes otherwise, are misinformed.
      Their rules of engagement are clearly defined.. Only fire when “you” are in mortal danger… Period…

    • LTE2

      I think the police used remarkable restraint as they could have dropped a nuclear bomb on the auto.

    • Richard Delicata

      it sad the cop can kill you ..and you can do 0000000000000000000000000000…that all they have to say i was scare

    • Dave

      All I see if a bunch of belligerent and ignorant comments here.
      – we weren’t there.
      – I personally have never met a “rogue” cop ? So this “anti cop” rhetoric sounds ignorant. doesn’t mean they don’t exist though.
      – my comments do not condone the loss of a hostage or lessen the value of her life. definitely a travesty here.
      – we definitely have become a nation divided when we have lefty loonies and righty weirdos causing a stir… pushing race issues.. gun freedoms.. wackos everywhere.
      – there are MUCH larger issues to unite ourselves vs. divide ourselves.

      nobody’s to blame here. it’s just a tragedy. y’all quit making it in to more.

    • bryan denny

      is that big ben rothsesburger standing behing the cop?lol looks like him.

    • Sue

      Pathetic

    • alright

      All 33 of them got excited heat of the moment thingy and felt warranted to shoot. i would do the same too. However, here is the thing. you should stop my mentality and those who have guns. This is a bad habit and mostly neglected. what happens if there was 100 cops at the scene and i would be darn sure all 100 of them wants to join in the fun shooting.

    • kevinl4000

      Judicious marksmanship is appreciated.

    • David

      Wow… Not much I can say to 600 BULLETS .. Even at 33 Cops thats still 18 bullets each on average. They sure weren’t concerned as to whether the hostage got killed or not..

    • lolly pop

      This is such B.S. ” only hit 10 times” out of 600 bullets, they blew her apart. They had no concern for her safety of any intent of rescuing her alive. Cops are lairs, killers and some of the biggest gangsters out there. blurred lines between good and bad guys anymore.

    • Glenn Macleod

      Is there any doubt that it makes sense to carry your own self defense capability.. I never leave home without
      my six little friends… In practice…They find their way home ..six out of six times.. Who needs cops???

    • Ancient Alien

      As a Vietnam vet. 600 rounds are the equivalent to 6- 100 round belts of M-60 ammo. That is a lot of Ammo in any firefight ..They must have fired for at least five minutes. Their Marksmanship is very poor.

    • Hannah Hayes

      This really shouldn’t be a surprised. This isn’t the first time nor the last something like this will happen. Charge every cop that shot at her with criminal endangerment and manslaughter. Make an example. Give the people a reason to trust the system and teach police they can’t be so free with their firearms.

    • Therefore I am

      Bonnie and Clyde much?

    • spider

      The police are out of control, or should I say…Obamas ‘citizen army’.

    • Ezzardray Shakazulu

      Most today cops suck. They are too young, prideful, hot headed and just plain ignorant. I said “most”.

    • Watchman

      And these are the same public officials and cops that tell me I can’t raise my voice nor discipline my child or raise my voice to my wife as that is terrible,bad ,wicked and awful; but they can kill the woman to save her. This country, as it leaves its founding Christian principles gets more insane daily.

    • Ricardo

      That’s an average of 18 plus rounds per Cop!! Assuming they used 25 round mags in their colt ar’s, each of them practically emptied their mags into ONE SINGLE CAR WITH A HOSTAGE. What is with trigger happy cops nowadays? That’s not enforcing law, that’s down right murder.

    • K

      you fall back when you have air support …. when you put youself in harms way and not use cover what do you expect to happen … Police have gotten gun happy … Anytime a suspect shots at a cop they unload on them … I was a cop and we were taught to shoot to rounds assess the situation before you fire again. We also didnt shoot when there was a hostage we called out the SWAT team, and just contained the suspect until they took over. They have the sharpshooter so let them deal with it…. now if the suspect is in an area where there are alot of people and he tries to shoot at them then they have no choice but to fire at the suspect(s).

    • abe

      Again blacks. Always blacks. When will anyone in the media talk about black crime??

    • TommasoArturo

      The police should be permitted to fire 600 shots and are entitled to kill anyone necessary in order to get that money back, especially when there’s several thousand dollars at stake. Heck, they may stand to get a $500 reward.

      • Dubz

        You would think for this much of a fight it would be a few million that were robbed.

    • TLM

      Reading some of the comments leads me to believe that there is WAY more to this story – about the bank robbers….they shot up houses during the chase, shot up cops, etc. Not saying 600 bullets is not a lot, but there is more to the story than just cops shooting a hostage.

    • T-man357

      What’s really sad is this is the new norm!! And there’s no repercussions at all!! (unless you deem 30 days PAID leave punishment!!)

    • william blakeslee

      never shoot when a hostage is involved unless its a single headshot!!

    • Nick Mullinix

      They must have thought she was black.

    • siliconsleep

      I’m a middle school student teacher. The sheer volume of stories like these affect my students, who live in a neighborhood that has issues with crime and illicit activity. Every new story, and there is one new almost every day, of police killing non-violent or even innocent people is all my students can talk about sometimes in the classroom. The thing that we often forget to mention when arguing on internet boards is that this stuff affects the youth the most. If I show my students this video, I guarantee you that this will only add to their mounting fears of the world. I had a student the other day who said it was too late to fix this world, too much was wrong with it. She’s a 7th grader and someone who I would confidently say is happy and socially accepted. How sad is that?

    • Pablo Cervantes

      This just in from the NRA…More than 98% of shots fired did not strike the hostage!

    • Ronald Simmons

      So, the life of the hostage meant NOTHING to the police, only getting the criminals meant anything to them. This needs to be prosecuted as murder, I say.

    • sactowntruth

      Sounds like a mess but the story forgets to mention some things.

      One is that there were several kidnap victims from a bank robbery.
      Two is the bank robbers were shooting assault weapons at the officers, the public, other cars on the road, when they were being chased.
      Three is some kidnapped victims were shot and tossed from the vehicle.
      14 police cars were shot up during the 45 minute chase with the robbers.
      Homes were shot up by the robbers during the chase.
      A second hostage was tossed or jumped from the vehicle while the robbers were traveling at a high rate of speed.

      So in the end, it was a shootout with a bank robber, firing an illegal assault rifle capable of penetrating the officers bullet resistant vest, making the vest useless against the robbers.

      So now, if there was one officer there and he fired 15 rounds during the shootout in 4 seconds, would that sound shocking?

      If another officer was there with him and he also felt the need to shoot back at the robber, would that surprise you?
      After all, both officers SEE the same thing, someone shooting at them.

      Well, that is 30 rounds. Now it just so happens that there were a lot of officers there seeing the same thing, so it happens to add up.

      Did 600 rounds hit the car during the 45 minute chase? I don’t know, the number, 600 comes from an attorney so take it with a grain of salt. The photo of the car does not seem to have 600 holes in it but who knows.

      Bottom line is every officer is responsible for what they did only and what they did was not excessive, what is horrible is that an innocent victim was kidnapped by some gang members and died because of it.

      Now ask yourself WHY we allow gang members to openly live in our society and blame the cops for what criminals do.

    • Richard Schaal

      Time for the cops to dust off that RPG they got from the Army Surplus give-away.

    • james

      everybody seems to be ignoring that these “choir boys” robbed the bank, took a hostage and were spraying rifle bullets thru residential neighborhoods while being pursued – they hit somewhere in the number of twenty police vehicles- disabling some of them- its sad a hostage lost her life to police rounds- but it was an active gunfight – not a hostage situation in a confined controllable place- these were mexican drug dealing criminals

    • TLM

      “33 officers fired 600 bullets into a vehicle”
      is that a misprint?

    • Cole1958

      The worst part about this is they all think they are hero’s, how’s that for mental?

    • AngusCarpathian

      What the hell is wrong with the cops in America today, goddamn psychopaths out there now.

    • MrLiberty

      A private security company that treated its customers like customers and had to face both civil and criminal penalties for the actions of its employees would NEVER have behaved in this manner. When are we going to finally stop worshiping the government’s army of occupation and face the reality that the government should not be allowed to have its own protection force that we are forced to pay for? These folks do NOT work for us. They answer ONLY to their bosses in government and those folks equally do not answer to us but to their campaign contributors and those behind the scenes who actually run the show. How many more of these senseless murders by police will it take before we finally demand a complete abolition of government controlled police forces?

    • Dale Mugsy

      Damn!! was that overkill or what?

    • John Wayne

      Police Dept.s are out of control. I understand that there are perps out there who won’t hesitate to kill a police officer but we are seeing a very disturbing trend of over kill to apprehend people.

    • Jerry Faulkner

      The Stockton police dept has a wanton disregard for hostage taken in a crime…Hostages do not have benefit of body armor as the popo does. No I’m not black”’71 and caucasion….the stockton cops may have acted according to policy but try to explain that to the kids and family of the hostage… I will say her name lest we forget how incompetant the Stockton Police really is…. MISTY HOLT-SINGH,,,,MISTY HOLT-SINGH…..

    • Profat Muhmmad

      All Sickhs are toilet cleaners and sickh women are concubines for strong Panjabee Muslim men.

    • gator

      See this is why we have lawyers. God Bless the Attorneys. May they cast vengeance upon all those who forsaken their brothers and sisters. I hope they bleed the city of Stockton to the stone ages and then some for this.

    • Eddie

      Trigger happy cops, they never considered backing off. Why not just let them leave with the money and do the police work later instead of swarming the car like hyenas when they smell blood. Abuse of power that’s happening more and more. We need to start holding these pigs accountable. What happened with the back off when in residential area policy?? Than they wonder why people don’t like them, when they look at everybody as a potential criminal. PIGS.

    • Vicki

      Wow, California’s finest at work, hope her family gets millions, and all these “officers” are locked up in general population of course ….

    • RVG

      It seems the police are no longer here to serve and protect. It seems that in many areas they (the police) are getting completely out of control. Perhaps it is time to do a more detail psychological profile before hiring candidates.

    • Emily

      Warning: Highly Incompetent Police force in North Carolina. Stay the way away from North Carolina.

    • DIF

      The chief of police should be fired immediately and the 33 officers charged with murder. There is no excuse in the world for this stupidity. What did they think they were, Bonnie and Clyde??? No protocol was used at all. This is just plain MURDER!

    • ThePatriotMuckraker

      There will be no riots. The woman was white. White people do not count.

    • Mitchell Clarkson

      Im not sure if im more concerned that they fired an estimated 600 bullets or they only managed to hit her 10 times.

    • Michael Figiel

      Riots? Al, Jesse, Eric?

    • ym

      Isnt Stocton a bankrupt city in California? Are they real police or mall securities hired as police? Police union must understand the reason why many people hates the police. I know there are good policemen out there, but the bad policemen are the ones going foe the front page. You, policemen hold so much power and power come with responsibilities. How the heck any top policemen call approved a 600 rounds of bullets from 33 policemen to hit a car with a hostage in it? I wonder how much money police dept around the country have given to the victims family because of police stupidity…

    • Pro Russia

      Only Fascist barbarians who infiltrate the system for Abuse power of are capable of killing a fellow American citizen like that… let those fascist barbarians try that to the Russian military in 2016 In WW3.

      • ThePatriotMuckraker

        Go suck putin’s dick, you communist lackey. Cops in russia execute suspects with out trial or jury. Go sell crazy somewhere else.

    • Larry O’Connor

      Law suits do not work. Criminal charges need to be filed against the police.

      • RonBonner

        No, what needs to be changed is immunity,

        No government employee, federal, state, or local, should get immunity. Being responsible for ones actions is the standard that civilians are held to and that same standard should apply to police and other government employees.

        • Larry O’Connor

          agreed!

      • Ja

        what are the criminal charges? case law protects officers who fire in self defense.

    • Raul Reyes

      The only good cop is a dead cop…………..

    • ThePatriotMuckraker

      “To protect and serve” Yeah, right.

      • stever29

        They are there to protect and serve the elite, from us.

    • JC

      They’ll bring a swat team and sniper to a protest in Fergeson but not to a robbery/hostage situation. Makes sense to me.

    • Guest

      This is F&^%ING unprofessional and criminal..all those SO called police office NEEDS to be Charged with murder….Why I’m I so hard,,,I’m an ex-cop..and the FIRST rule..Don’t shot if there a change of hitting a Civilian or if there a hostage…UNLESS you are for sure that you can make it a 100% clean hit,,,these were no police theses were murders…

      • tbowman

        Wow! If you’re an ex-cop, your writing and grammar certainly points to the fact that police officers need further education, and I’m not just talking about shooting practice.

      • tbowman

        Wow! If you’re an ex-cop, your writing and grammar certainly points to the fact that police officers need further education, and I’m not just talking about shooting practice.

      • tbowman

        Wow! If you’re an ex-cop, your writing and grammar certainly points to the fact that police officers need further education, and I’m not just talking about shooting practice.

      • tbowman

        Wow! If you’re an ex-cop, your writing and grammar certainly points to the fact that police officers need further education, and I’m not just talking about shooting practice.

    • The money that the bank robbers took was worth more than someones life…. The police actions prove it.

      600 shots? and there are people who still defend a militarized police force. smh

      Police should be up on charges if they in fact knew there was a hostage

    • Oatmealforme

      All that the police cared about was that they were being shot at; they did not care that they would kill the hostage, since cops always get away with this and similar kind of behavior.

    • Brian Ahern

      Is this country a police state? In my city you see many poice cars driving round and round the block just watching for someone who combs their hair the wrong way – and then they pounce on them. We must have a million cops when you add up all the jurisdictions.

    • og_traindagod

      Sounds a lot like Cleveland Ohio!

    • Obamanation

      This is not how they would have done it in Hollywood. I find it hard to believe that the commanding office on the scene thought that it was appropriate to (return) fire on that car when there was a known hostage. This is unbelievable. I hope the Family of the victim bankrupts that town with a law suit.. not that it would be any reward

      • Ja

        uh, funny you mention that, Stockton has already declared bankruptcy

    • Arch Angel

      Don’t worry, she will be painted as a thug in the wrong place at the wrong time and EVERYONE will justify what these criminal pig scum did. How can anyone still feel safe in America with these types of worthless trash “protecting” us citizens? Nothing more than thugs with a badge!

    • libertarianmajority

      This is why everyone needs their own body armor to give them more of a chance of surviving police and other assailants. That’s why the U.S. House of Representatives, however, want to infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear that purely defensive form of arms by their bill H.R. 5433.

      • Empty Headed

        Seriously? Why not wear bio and hazmat suits all the time as well since bio and chemical warfare is a threat too. Hell, why leave the house? Build a bunker and stock some supplies and never leave.

    • Jeff

      Have the Police ever heard of Snipers? They are never used in hardly any situations and it would end most of these hostage situations in about 1 minute.

      • Cruces Jerry

        Read the article, it was not a SWAT stiuation, it was a pursuit that resulted in a shootout. Snipers can’t ride on top of cars waiting for a shot.

    • Johnny Rockin

      These criminals were fully armored and were using automatic weapons and injured several police and shot up all kinds of businesses and homes along the way of the chase…and you sorry ass liberals actually think it was excessive to use 600 rounds of ammo to bring these psychopaths down?

      • Abuse OfPower

        i’m far from liberal but cops are way out of control these days

        • Johnny Rockin

          I agree there are police abuse of power issues all over, but I beg to differ in this case. They needed to be taken down, and when they are blasting away at cops and anybody else, I believe there is a need to do whatever it takes! In an emergency situation like this, with them unloading ammo at you, tell me how you would post up, take aim, steady your breathing, and then shoot your pistol from 20+ yards…it just doesn’t work like that, there are no perfect scenarios in a gun fight.

          • stever29

            Too bad it wasn’t one of your worthless family members since you think a hostage isn’t worth saving. I’m sure if it was your family member, you would thank your heroes and wouldn’t even think of suing since your family isn’t worth anything. And svcking @ss never got anyone with dignity, anything but a lower self esteem. Actually, a person with dignity would never svckass.

      • ummm it says the perp survived and they killed the hostage…. so they didnt “bring them down” as you said. So I wont say excessive I’ll say not effective…

        • Johnny Rockin

          Ummm…he was the only one who survived, they killed the rest of his crew, which was pretty effective since none of them got away to be able to do the same thing again in the future.

        • aj

          One of three survived. 600 rounds hit the truck during the 30+ minutes vehicle pursuit. I’m sure the majority of those rounds were attemptes to shoot out the engine components. In fact, that’s why the car stopped. The engine failed after being shot up. The woman was alive up until the guy used her as a shield whiel shooting a couple of officers with a fully automatic ak-47 in a residential area. Yes, the police should, and do account for every bullet fired, but this guy didn’t care, and let 40 something rounds off in a few seconds while holding her hostage. I do like your’re last sentence though. If the police HAD ARMORED VEHICLES then they wouldn’t have had to fire, but having armored vehicles is too much militarization of the police.

      • Ezine Anderson

        THANK YOU!
        This type of “journalism” pisses me off – highly vague information with no proper context.

      • Dubz

        Don’t forget the hostage too.

      • JOMAMA

        HOPE IT’S YOU NEXT TIME JOHNNY BOY

      • steviesteve

        As a resident of the city where this horrible events took place I must say that I believe that the actions of our police department was absolutely justified. These three maniacs where speeding down roads and highways firing at the police pursuing them. These men where not going to surrender peacefully. Misty’s death was collateral damage.. period.

      • TommasoArturo

        If they were so armored and armed, the police should have let them go until they released the hostage. If only right wing nut jobs like you would shut their damn pie holes.

    • call me crazy but maybe a sharp shooter would have been a good idea? One shot to the perps head? I think they just got a little excited…. herd mentality

      • Cruces Jerry

        Ok, Crazy. It was a shoot out after a pursuit, not a SWAT call out.

      • Jimbo

        A sharp shooter in the middle of the freeway????

      • LegalHispanic

        Where would a sniper get a good vantage point, this was a pursuit. Fast moving different locations, come on people. Whose is to say all the bullets were from the cops??? The blame lays with the criminals that started this…..

    • Geordie Schall

      In order to fire this many shots, all 33 officers would have to reload. This is WAY beyond the usual trigger-happy cop. This is pure blood lust. Hope they are happy now.

      • Chris

        Not necessarily 600 divided
        by 33 is 18. Some handgun magazines hold that many rounds. Factor in the possibility
        of rifles which can have capacity to hold more rounds. Not every cop is trigger-happy.

        • i have a clip that holds 20

          • Chris
            • Jesus Christ. It has many names, Clip, Mag ,Magzazine, Bullet hold.

              dont be a bitch

              • Ja

                actually a clip is very different than a mag.

              • Ja

                actually a clip is very different than a mag.

              • Ja

                actually a clip is very different than a mag.

              • Chris

                I was not trying to be a bitch
                I was simply letting you know the proper terminology. So that you do not sound
                like a douche.

                • Well if you were not such a pretentious asshat, there would be no issue. Everyone knows what a clip was. As did you since you linked it to the correct term.

                  You are either a idiot, a douchey bitch, or both. My bet is both

                  • chris

                    Unfortunately not every knows
                    the difference between a magazine and a clip…please visit the site and educate
                    yourself.

                    With all the name calling I must
                    have gotten under your skin. I am sorry have a nice day

              • Chris

                I was not trying to be a bitch
                I was simply letting you know the proper terminology. So that you do not sound
                like a douche.

              • Chris

                I was not trying to be a bitch
                I was simply letting you know the proper terminology. So that you do not sound
                like a douche.

              • Chris

                I was not trying to be a bitch
                I was simply letting you know the proper terminology. So that you do not sound
                like a douche.

            • Jesus Christ. It has many names, Clip, Mag ,Magzazine, Bullet hold.

              dont be a bitch

            • Jesus Christ. It has many names, Clip, Mag ,Magzazine, Bullet hold.

              dont be a bitch

      • Jimbo

        The people they were firing at had fully automatic weapons… I would have reloaded too.

    • Abuse OfPower

      the cops in this shooting will be put on paid leave for PTSD till the story blows over

      • ORRRRRRRRR, MAYBE THEY SHOULD DO THEIR FUKCIN JOBS CORRECTLY AND THEY WOULDNT HAVE TO BE PLACED ON LEAVE.

        “STORY” BLOWS OVER? AN INNOCENT PERSON DIED

        I SWEAR, SOME PEOPLE MAKE ME LOSE FAITH IN THE HUMAN RACE

        • stever29

          You have faith in the human race? Must not have been paying attention until now.

        • Jimbo

          An innocent person died because one of the bank robbers (who was in full body armor) used her as a human shield while firing at the police with an automatic weapon injuring several police officers. Are the police supposed to just sit there while being shot at? The robbers also shot up several local businesses and could have injured dozens of other innocents if they were allowed to continue. Get your facts straight before commenting with blind hate.

          • yeah, they shouldve followed protocol …which never includes returning fire at perps with hostages. Was the money that important?

      • Cruces Jerry

        PTSD???? Wow, you sure don’t know what your talking about if you think the leave it due to PTSD instead of policy. All cops that have worked the streets and seen the horrible things people can do can claim PTSD for something, but they carry on and still work to help others even though others judge them from their home safely sitting there complaining but not wanting to do their job.

    • ChaoticTremble

      Sounds like something straight out of the movie ‘Bonnie and Clyde’. Unbelievable!!!!

    • Keith Shelly

      Every Officer should be Tried!! There actions Killed this young lady.

      • free

        Are you stupid? Who robbed the bank? Who took a hostage? Certainly not the police! Chances are they would have raped and killed this innocent woman. They should be tried? MORON! I bet you think they should have used the p.a. on the police car and politely asked the gentlemen to oull over, right? Watch more t.v. because that’s where the truth lies. In produced, directed shows. You are clueless! You have no sense of reality.

        • coolhandluke

          You seem to be stepping out of reality a bit yourself. 600 bullets? Come on!

          • LegalHispanic

            You apparently haven’t been shot at with automatic weapons from fast moving vehicles. 600 bullets can fly real fast, just look at some video of the the surge in Iraq….don’t blame the cops, blame the crooks that started this crap. If the crooks were not dealt with and got away and other hostages were taken the public would be screaming why didn’t they do more….

        • amnumber3

          Ya that’s right if I robbed a bank and was being chased by the cops, I’d take the time for some good old fashion fun and rape her. Way to add some of your own personal predictions into your post. I suppose the cops wanted to save her by killing her because when you shot 600 rounds into a vehicle what are the chances you might hit the woman? You must have been looking in the mirror when you used the word moron and clueless. Tool.

        • Jaime McDaniel

          Free you are an idiot and what is so scary is there are too many people like you out there,

        • Disgusted

          Always be mindful of things happening in our society. Someone
          mentioned this is not television because there would have been outrage in
          purest form had a hostage been shot. There is no value for life in America.
          There’s an old saying, “If you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for
          anything” & this is what’s happening in our society. YES!!!! Fall back if
          there is the chance that the hostage could be harmed. Proceed with caution
          & get you suspects. That woman SHOULD NOT have died @ the hand of a police
          officer PERIOD. The thing with corrosion
          is that you’ll never know it’s coming your way until it creeps into your world
          & for those with hard & cold responses. How about your mother,
          daughter, aunts, or friend is being held hostage & blown away by reckless
          police officers. HOW WOULD FEEL THEN?

      • Ian

        What would you have them do? Let the bank robbers go? Let the bank robbers just keep shooting at cops till they run out of bullets? If you start letting every criminal with a hostage go, or you let every criminal shooting at you go, all the criminals turn into hostage taking trigger happy criminals. I feel very bad for this woman and her family, but I have to feel a little less bad when I hear their lawyer building a case for suing the bank in his press conference. If his stance is that the bank let itself get robbed, then I would have to say she let herself get taken hostage. If the bank could have stopped the robbery, then she could have stopped the hostage taking. This is a tragedy, but its a tragedy perpetrated by the 3 men who robbed a bank, took a hostage and then fired automatic weapons at the police in the middle of a busy city.

    • Chris Levy

      all the cops that fired a bullet should be fired immediately.

      • Hannah Hayes

        Imprisoned on manslaughter charges at a bare minimum.

    • Jim Harrelson

      The police should be charged wit

    • licka lottapuss

      They wanted to make her into Swiss cheese. I guess they accomplished that.

    • Edgar Cayce

      Bullets are like breasts, 1 is never enough, 3 is one too many……

    • LC

      One car was hit with 600 bullets? What did they use an uzi? Or each of the 33 officers fire 18 single shots. I would say that was overkill. And poor marksmanship, if only 10 of the 600 bullets fired struck the victim. A lawsuit won’t bring the hostage victim back, but is definitely warranted. They should never have fired at the woman hostage, this is real life, not Hollywood movies where you shoot bad guys, through bad guys. My condolences to her family.

      • jaymack47

        i find that a little hard to believe, 600 bullets only 10 hit there mark, well where did the other 590 go?

        • Ja

          you people have reading comprehension issues. 600 hit the car, of those, ten hit the victim. There were three kidnappers, two of which were killed from gunfire.

          And LC, yes, this is real life, not Hollywood. While its unfortunate an innocent person lost their life, the police were being shot at by weapons that outgunned their own (fully automatic AK-47). even with a hostage in the area, the officers have every right and protection under law to return fire.

          • Dubz

            Maybe they should fall back at that time…pursue from a distance. I can understand them caring about their own lives if they are being fired upon…but to not care about the hostage seems F’d up.

            • Ja

              do a little research into the incident. by the time the final shootout happened, two of the hostages had been forced out of the vehicle at freeway speeds with gunshot wounds. if the cops stopped pursuing, then we’d be hearing about a lawsuit in regards to the cops inaction after the hostages shoot and dump the third hostage

              • Dubz

                I didn’t say stop pursuing…So instead we can be fine with the police officers being the ones that killed the hostage? As long as they kill the bad guys too?

                • Ja

                  i didn’t insinuate to stop pursuing either. i simply gave an explanation that if they stopped pursuing, the last hostage could have suffered a much worse fate than she did. and the end result is the same, a lawsuit

                  • RonBonner

                    What fate is worse than being shot 10 times and murdered by the police?

                    • Ja

                      raped, tortured and ultimately killed by the norteno gang banger sh!t birds that started the whole thing. or being shot and thrown out of a car at 70 mph as if you were a piece of garbage, similar to what the other hostage experienced.

                      that sounds a little worse

                      • RonBonner

                        Dead is dead. Nothing more, the end. It just doesn’t get any worse.

                      • Ja

                        yup, dead is dead. so i guess if they rape her after they kill her, it can’t be categorized as worse. i guess with your logic, even if they repeatedly raped her before they slowly killed, it still wouldn’t be worse, because she’s still dead.

                      • kari

                        are they going to repeatedly rape her, as they’re flying down the freeway??? get a grip!

                      • Ja

                        nope, but if the offers did what every one here wished they had done (turned off their lights and sirens, gone home and chalked it up as another unsolved bank robbery), yes, it is likely she would’ve been repeatedly raped, perhaps while they’re flying down the freeway.

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • kari

                        you’re delusional. seriously!

                      • MojoJoJO

                        That’s not true. How people die counts. And while it is regrettable that she was caught in the crossfire, these guys were firing machine guns from the car and had already shot two hostages. There are bystanders and officers to think about as well, not just the third hostage.

                      • lilcholo1936 .

                        If you backup an animal into a corner….he will try to attack you no matter what. If you give that animal a means of escape, it will most certainly take it. Rattlesnakes don’t bite people becuase they want to eat said people, they bite people that accidentally step on it or very close to it or the idiots that think they can handle them. If a rattlesnake sees a human, it will most likely try to get away, unless of course it’s in it’s nest, etc… So then, apply this to humans that just robbed a bank. If you give them an avenue into which they can escape, I bet your life and mine that not a single shot would have been fired, by the robbers, anyway. But of course, you’re one of those puppets that believes what the cops say or law enforcement has to say. How many millions of bank robbers were caught the next day or days after without a single shot being fired? On other side of that spectrum, what was the deadliest shootout where bank robbers were concerned in US history? Many cops got shot and were killed that day as was every bank robber but did it really have to end that way? Of course not but the FBI wanted their man (men) and they got them….too bad many of them got shot and died in the process. As for the money they stole….well, it didn’t belong to anybody in particular so it’s not like the patrons of those banked were actually gonna lose out on their funds. Ask yourself and answer this honestly….DID THOSE BANK ROBBERS HAVE TO GET CAUGHT THAT PARTICULAR DAY? Truth is…..NO THEY DIDN’T and if the cops didn’t go all gun ho, that hostage would still be alive today.

                      • MojoJoJO

                        So your idea is just to let them go and catch them another day. In the
                        mean time, they have killed the hostages they had, or perhaps robbed
                        another bank. Or maybe just a home invasion where they killed a family.
                        Those are all possibilities that would have to be considered before
                        taking the course of action you suggest. That is why it is a stupid
                        idea. Just because a hostage was killed in the crossfire (the one that
                        they had not already shot themselves) doesn’t mean that more lives
                        weren’t saved. Letting violent criminals run loose just delays the final confrontation before they are captured or killed. A lot of other things could happen in that time, and the police would be blamed for letting them go. You assume that the same violent scenario would not have played out the next day when the police caught up to them, or that other people would not be hurt in the interim. Do you really think that once they got away that they would just relax and be taken while napping? Or is it more likely that they would steal a different car, dump the hostage and move on? Given that the hostage was used as a human shield, it is not a stretch to assume that they would have been willing to take other people hostage or just kill them to take what they needed the next day. Or perhaps have a standoff somewhere else with some other hostages.

                        And my reasoning is based on simple observation of the fact that these were obviously well armed violent criminals willing to do what they had to do and then some. I don’t need to listen to a police officer tell us what was obviously all over the news already to form my opinion. Use your head.

                      • rhoda

                        Ja, those were my thoughts exactly. There was no way out for her. This way, to me was more humane. If it had been me or mine, I would have rather have the police end it than the thugs. This was quicker.

                      • lilcholo1936 .

                        There was no way out for her? Really? You read the minds of the robbers that had already thrown two hostages out the car? Can you please tell me what the winning number for the Mega Millions lottery will be…since you seem to know what the fututre holds.

                      • lilcholo1936 .

                        There is nothing worse than death…unless you’re really getting tortured at a very slow rate. Rape is not worth than death. So the other two women got treated worse, yet they’re still alive….but you say that’s worse than getting shot to death by cops that were supposed to protect you? I get it, this is a joke, right?

                    • Reginald Von Storch

                      Worse, being robbed by the police. That badge gives them a license to steal.

                    • Scott_inVA

                      Murdered? Really? You’re an idiot.

                      • EJO

                        When will people learn that most carry pislols are belly guns, some good at 7 yards most less. At anything over 25 feet police sholud use a rifle.

                    • Dan

                      Being raped by RoseAnne Barr.

                      • Hoppytoo

                        Or even kissed.

                      • Hoppytoo

                        Or even kissed.

                      • Hoppytoo

                        Or even kissed.

                      • Hoppytoo

                        Or even kissed.

                    • Dan

                      Being raped by RoseAnne Barr.

                    • Dan

                      Being raped by RoseAnne Barr.

                    • Tracy Singer

                      Raped and shot by the robbers maybe?

                  • inthespiritofthelaw

                    lol …..she could have suffered a much worse fate than she did ?? wtf ? How is being shot to death by those who are supposed to rescue you any less a tragic fate than what those clowns would have done to her had she survived ? You are a moron.

                  • lilcholo1936 .

                    I didn’t realize there was a much worse fate than death. And as for your “what if” or ‘could of”, etc… What if the cops stopped pursuing, the robbers would have gotten away and since they ahd already let two hostages out, would have probably let out the third once they felt they were in the clear. Of course they would have gotten caught a few days later where maybe they could have been tracked and amushed without having to take 600 shots while there were innocent people around. Just saying “WHAT IF’s” can work countless ways. As for being afraid of being sued by one hostage while there were already two of them thrown out the car….you’re saying they could have paid off two innocent hostages but that third one would have broke their bank so they decided to not take that chance? Cause that’s how stupid you made it sound.

                • legbreaker

                  Dubz you are an idiot.

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • Andrew

                So, cops kill everyone, including hostages… No witnesses, harder to prosecute their actions… As good as it can be. Now everyone is guilty and cops simply did their job. Did they?

              • manchopper

                So having the cops murderer her was better…You have messed up logic.

            • Dan

              Possibly true, but that hostage was already doomed, just a matter as to when.

              • lilcholo1936 .

                I’m curious, why was she already doomed? No hostage in the US has ever been let go by their captors in our history? Doomed despite them already having gotten rid of two hostages? Seriously…..do you people think with your rears or what? I would have seen them getting away, if allowed to by the gun ho cops, and her being let go a few blocks later…..AGAIN, IF ALLOWED TO BY THE GUN HO COPS! Psssst, they didn’t shoot the first two hostages, they did throw them out a moving car but they survived…DIDN’T THEY?

            • Dan

              Possibly true, but that hostage was already doomed, just a matter as to when.

            • Dan

              Possibly true, but that hostage was already doomed, just a matter as to when.

            • M. E. Derry

              Not seems but is inhumane and ungodly, every life is precious and has worth not just the cops, the rich, the so called famous, etc.!!!!!!!

            • M. E. Derry

              Not seems but is inhumane and ungodly, every life is precious and has worth not just the cops, the rich, the so called famous, etc.!!!!!!!

            • M. E. Derry

              Not seems but is inhumane and ungodly, every life is precious and has worth not just the cops, the rich, the so called famous, etc.!!!!!!!

            • M. E. Derry

              Not seems but is inhumane and ungodly, every life is precious and has worth not just the cops, the rich, the so called famous, etc.!!!!!!!

          • ThePatriotMuckraker

            Bullshit.

            • Ja

              which part, that those people have reading comprehension issues or that it is fact that if officers are fired upon, they have every right and protection of the law to return fire and not be legally responsible for what ultimately happens to the bullet they fired?

              • Marblemania

                So they can kill an innocent hostage and it’s okee dokee? WTF world do you live in?

                • Ja

                  yup, the real world. case law protects officer who are firing in self defense or defense of others. the officers can’t be criminally held accountable. civilly? sure, thats why we are seeing this lawsuit. but because the officers were acting within the law, they will be represented by the attorney general.

                  • jeffy1951

                    yes Ja you are right – it IS within the “law” but laws are made by men and men are corrupt and imperfect . . . just look at some of the laws that corrupt politicians have managed to get passed i.e. Citizens United etc. …. are you aware of laws which are actually higher than the ones ‘Man’ makes? Thinking like yours is responsible for the success of the Gestapo etc and the current American police state.

                    • Dan

                      American Police State?

                      Half the men I know own guns legally, I write letters to the newspaper that get printed that are critical of Obama, and so far, no one i know has been hauled away to disappear in some gray prison.

                      Hardly a Police State, Jelly Bean

                      • jeffy1951

                        Maybe not but you can bet the NSA knows about your unhappiness ….. not to mention other “agencies” and frankly Danny Boy your definition is a bit narrow. Do you actually believe that since 9/11 this country hasn’t been heading in that direction? If not, you need to catch up on your reading. http://photographyisnotacrime.com/ try this one on for size and if this isn’t enough, there are plenty of places to look ….. and history to learn from.

                      • jeffy1951

                        Imagine peering cautiously from behind your door as heavily armed squads of armored police officers meander across your lawn. Feel the vibrations as armored patrol vehicles roll down your street, and a six and half ton armored breeching platform digs ruts across your front lawn. Pretend the local businesses are closed, parents and children separated, pets are left to fend for themselves, and the elderly are left without care because police have cordoned off your neighborhood. Your friends are helpless, sleeping in their cars through the cold mountain nights, and your family is hungry as they wait for you to return with food. But police refuse to allow you to drive back home.

                        This bizarre scenario isn’t taken from the plot for Red Dawn. This happened, and is still happening, in Barrett Township and other North Eastern Pennsylvania towns, and your state police are doing this “for your own good.”

                        Please understand that we are all praying for the family of Cpl. Bryan Dickson, and for the healing of State Trooper Alex Douglass. The loss or injury of any of our public servants is heartbreaking, and we support our State Police in their search for the killer.

                        At the same time we must ask ourselves if the loss of freedom and liberty, and the endangering of the residents of any town in the United States of America is the proper response in the search for one man. One man who, for what public information we now have, is accused by what seems at best a circumstantial connection to the crime.

                    • Dan

                      American Police State?

                      Half the men I know own guns legally, I write letters to the newspaper that get printed that are critical of Obama, and so far, no one i know has been hauled away to disappear in some gray prison.

                      Hardly a Police State, Jelly Bean

                    • Dan

                      American Police State?

                      Half the men I know own guns legally, I write letters to the newspaper that get printed that are critical of Obama, and so far, no one i know has been hauled away to disappear in some gray prison.

                      Hardly a Police State, Jelly Bean

                    • Dan

                      American Police State?

                      Half the men I know own guns legally, I write letters to the newspaper that get printed that are critical of Obama, and so far, no one i know has been hauled away to disappear in some gray prison.

                      Hardly a Police State, Jelly Bean

                    • Dan

                      American Police State?

                      Half the men I know own guns legally, I write letters to the newspaper that get printed that are critical of Obama, and so far, no one i know has been hauled away to disappear in some gray prison.

                      Hardly a Police State, Jelly Bean

                  • Boz

                    Time to change the LAWS!!!

                    • Ja

                      contact your legislature, not the blogosphere

                • LegalHispanic

                  Tell that to the crooks that started this whole thing….oh I forgot they have rights too….

                  • Brooklyn Stoop

                    so the hostage was responsible for the crooks actions…………ok legal history of spain

                • MojoJoJO

                  The world where there are bystanders, other officers, and thugs firing AKs from the car to think about. Not just the hostage. Frankly, her death was an acceptable risk. These guys had already taken hostages, shot some of them, engaged in a high speed chase, and fired at officers. Putting them down quite possibly saved other lives, even if hers was taken as well. It may be cold, but it is true. And the guns they were using were obtained are illegal for a reason. A full auto AK is a very powerful weapon. The bullets will go through doors, walls, dumpsters, etc. I don’t think the cops had much choice in this instance.

                • Dan

                  Hostages get summarily executed by their captors,nearly every time.

                • Dan

                  Hostages get summarily executed by their captors,nearly every time.

                • Dan

                  Hostages get summarily executed by their captors,nearly every time.

                • Dan

                  Hostages get summarily executed by their captors,nearly every time.

              • freecompanier

                Actually, officers are responsible and liable for every bullet fired. Perhaps not criminally, that is for a DA and grand jury to bring to a trial; but in a civil court, absolutely liable.

                • Ja

                  yes, i mentioned somewhere else in this misinformed blog that although the officers can’t be held liable criminally, they can be held accountable civilly, which explains this lawsuit. however, since the officers were acting in accordance with law, they will be represented by the attorney general. all i have to say, is good luck beating the attorney general.

              • Gigagigagilgamesh

                I don’t think folks here have reading comprehension issues… more like you have communication issues.. what a fooking idiot!!!
                This poor woman died an extremely terrifying death.. and you think she is fortunate because her death could have been much worse??

                • Ja

                  um, the pople with reading comprehension issues made their statements in responses to the misinformation from the article, not in response to me. my communication skills has nothing to do with their reading comprehension skills.

                  and just to be clear, i don’t think the victim is fortunate because her fate could have been worse. by pointing out that her fate could have been worse is simply shedding light that she very well have ended up dead anyway and we’d still be hearing about a lawsuit against the police

                  • Fulano

                    Ja, you’re a moron. Save the world your retarded opinions. Yes, because they would rob a bank by default they would have gangraped the hostage before killing her. Yeah. Oy Vey what a twit.

                • Scott_inVA

                  No, twit; Ja is saying that it is of paramount importance that heavily armed bank robbers, who have already killed multiple people, be stopped at all cost.

                  Likewise, the woman was as good as dead already. The cops weren’t trying to shoot her, but it was imperative that they stop these animals.

                  What a bunch of bleeding heart anarchists, who can’t think with their brains.

              • Ken Drewnowski

                600 rounds is well…a lot dude, where did all the stray bullets go?

                • Ja

                  again, reading comprehension skills people. 600 rounds hit the car. they’re not longer stray if they hit the car.

                  • Ken Drewnowski

                    a 9mm fmj round (as used by the police force) will easily pass through the thin sheet metal and glass we refer to as a car. as soon as its through the car, its a stray again, my “reading comprehension issue” is actually your rational thought issue.

                    what stops bullets? a mountain, you need a backstop to prevent stray bullets. learn about gun safety before you open your trap

                    • Ja

                      educate yourself on ballistics. after a round passes through anything, let alone sheet metal, it is very ineffective for a very short distance. yes, if you’re right behind that sheet metal, chances are you’ll have some shrapnel interring your body. 10 yards behind it? you’d have to be one very unlucky person

                      • Ken Drewnowski

                        9mm fmj goes through and through regularly, its designed for a through and through, you’re pretty clueless dude, sheet metal is nothing, glass is nothing, and that car would be tattered after taking 600 hits. your point would be valid if these were hollowpoint bullets, but again, glass still shatters in one hit and then bullets are passing through empty windows.

                        you sir, need to get a clue, I’ve been firing guns since I was 8, you’ve watched way too many movies if you think a car is adequate protection from a projectile. the 9mm fmj round is designed to pass through a human body so no projectile is left embedded, in this role it’ll face far more resistance than a measly piece of sheet metal.

                      • ty

                        don’t know where you get your info, cops use HP

                      • ty

                        don’t know where you get your info, cops use HP

                      • Ken Drewnowski

                        9mm fmj goes through and through regularly, its designed for a through and through, you’re pretty clueless dude, sheet metal is nothing, glass is nothing, and that car would be tattered after taking 600 hits. your point would be valid if these were hollowpoint bullets, but again, glass still shatters in one hit and then bullets are passing through empty windows.

                        you sir, need to get a clue, I’ve been firing guns since I was 8, you’ve watched way too many movies if you think a car is adequate protection from a projectile. the 9mm fmj round is designed to pass through a human body so no projectile is left embedded, in this role it’ll face far more resistance than a measly piece of sheet metal.

                      • Ken Drewnowski

                        9mm fmj goes through and through regularly, its designed for a through and through, you’re pretty clueless dude, sheet metal is nothing, glass is nothing, and that car would be tattered after taking 600 hits. your point would be valid if these were hollowpoint bullets, but again, glass still shatters in one hit and then bullets are passing through empty windows.

                        you sir, need to get a clue, I’ve been firing guns since I was 8, you’ve watched way too many movies if you think a car is adequate protection from a projectile. the 9mm fmj round is designed to pass through a human body so no projectile is left embedded, in this role it’ll face far more resistance than a measly piece of sheet metal.

                    • Ja

                      educate yourself on ballistics. after a round passes through anything, let alone sheet metal, it is very ineffective for a very short distance. yes, if you’re right behind that sheet metal, chances are you’ll have some shrapnel interring your body. 10 yards behind it? you’d have to be one very unlucky person

                    • Ja

                      educate yourself on ballistics. after a round passes through anything, let alone sheet metal, it is very ineffective for a very short distance. yes, if you’re right behind that sheet metal, chances are you’ll have some shrapnel interring your body. 10 yards behind it? you’d have to be one very unlucky person

          • jeffy1951

            “……unfortunate….” an oddly cold way to describe a tragedy. Of course not being a loved one of the “unfortunate” victim I suppose it is merely “unfortunate” for you but for the people in her life, it was FAR more than just ‘unfortunate’. To place the safety of the cops who were armed and had a way to protect themselves with objects on scene ahead of the “unfortunate” victim who had nowhere to go is a travesty.
            I remember having criticized the police at the time of this incident for their lack of concern for the hostage by the way they emptied the arsenal into the car to catch criminals who robbed a bank of “promissory notes” that can’t even be exchanged for gold or silver anymore.
            Evidently the catching of thieves is more important to the hero cops than preserving the life of innocents – welcome to the new Amerika.

            • Ja

              i guess its convenient for you to forget that the bank robbers dumped another hostage out of a fast moving vehicle and fired upon the police with an AK-47, among other weapons.

              • jeffy1951

                Your talking points are just that – talking points. The fact is that there was also the possibility that the bad guys had in their possession the only leverage they had left and may have NOT killed her just to save their own cowardly @sses!

                • Ja

                  its really confusing when you pair “fact” and “possibility” in the same sentence. guess what, my “talking points” are facts. police were shot at by fully automatic AK-47 and another hostage had been dumped out of the vehicle already. those are facts

          • Boz

            Most Police are equipped with weapons equal and even surpassing the AK-47. Wake up and look around. No offense meant, only a suggestion. I live in a city with about 20,000 residents and each police vehicle is equipped with an M-4 carbine which is equal to an M-16. Oh, and the rounds that did not hit suspects or victim flew uncontrolled thru the area behind they were aimed. Can you say ‘collateral damage’ or ‘friendly fire’?

            • Ja

              my eyes are wide open and i am well aware of what our police are armed with. while an M-4 carbine sounds super tacticool, it is easily outgunned by an AK-47. M-4: shoots .223 and is semi-automatic (one shot per trigger pull for the uninitiated) AK-47: shoots 7.72 and in this case was fully-automatic (continuous fire as trigger is depressed for the uninitiated)

              7.72 > .223
              full auto > semitauto

            • 12BHooah

              you clearly know nothing about firearms a fully automatic ak47(7.62×39) is much more damaging than the smaller calliber “m4” (5.56×45) and why would m4’s and m16’s not be equal? the difference in the two is normally barrel length they both fire the exact same round…and what most police are issued is the civilian version which is semi auto not full auto, aka AR15… shut up if youre not an expert on the subject your ranting about

          • big dyck

            i guess they dont have people that arent trained to close their eyes while they squeeze.. the only thing surprising about this is that they actually killed two of the culprit they were shooting at.. everything else seems about right!!!

          • Brian

            Gotta love the armchair judges. It’s easy to criticize when you have never been in a situation where you are being fired at and where you aren’t the one making the tough decisions. This article only tells part of the story. The stuff that is missing is that the bank robbers were not only shooting at the cops, but at houses as well. More innocent people could have died if the cops had not acted. Maybe by the unfortunate death of this one woman, many other innocent people’s lives were saved.

            It was a bad situation to be put in by the robbers, but the police did what they had to do in the moment to save their own lives as well as the lives of as many people as they were able to protect.

          • rnl

            Yes the Police do have the right to return fire. But with the Right and Authority to do so, also bear the burden of responsibility to the public which they serve. Police Officers regardless of the situation must have the training and discipline to ALWAYS do the right thing. This BS about Police being humans capable of making mistakes is unacceptable. As a minimum it should be determined whose bullets killed the hostage and those Officers should have to live with their mistakes, after all the hostage and her family has got to live with the mistake.

          • Richard R Garres

            Really!

            Hope you were the hostage… and see if you would think that way.
            Those guys are criminals with uniform.

          • Richard R Garres

            Really!

            Hope you were the hostage… and see if you would think that way.
            Those guys are criminals with uniform.

          • Richard R Garres

            Really!

            Hope you were the hostage… and see if you would think that way.
            Those guys are criminals with uniform.

          • Richard R Garres

            Really!

            Hope you were the hostage… and see if you would think that way.
            Those guys are criminals with uniform.

        • Jackie Jormpjomp

          no, the article said 10 bullets HIT HER. It didn’t say only 10 bullets hit the car.

          • gman

            Right the headline says 600 hit the car. Overkill. It was not like they were going to get away. A helicopter would have been there soon enough.

            • Alice Jones

              The headline and the article don’t agree. It’s another case of using lies in the headline to grab attention.

          • Dan

            Like Bonnie and Clyde, I suppose. Besides, and this is logical, there could have been other low-lifes hiding in back or in the trunk.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Tough Guy

              Or other hostages.

            • Floyd Wilson

              Yes the victim was brown skinned so she had it coming amirite?

              • Alice Jones

                Any more racist chips on your shoulder and you’ll have a full blown boulder.

              • Stefani

                Wow! Who is really the racist here? You assume she was “brown skinned” because last part of her hyphenated surname is Singh? She was WHITE. Clearly, you aren’t up on the facts and only here to play the race card when you are clearly the one with the problem. You know, people are allowed to marry outside of their race now. Get with the times, Floyd.

          • Richard R Garres

            Those guys need to finish elementary school. the article says “car hit by 600 bullets.. then 10 hit the woman by those criminals with uniform.

          • Richard R Garres

            Those guys need to finish elementary school. the article says “car hit by 600 bullets.. then 10 hit the woman by those criminals with uniform.

          • Richard R Garres

            Those guys need to finish elementary school. the article says “car hit by 600 bullets.. then 10 hit the woman by those criminals with uniform.

          • Richard R Garres

            Those guys need to finish elementary school. the article says “car hit by 600 bullets.. then 10 hit the woman by those criminals with uniform.

        • ThePatriotMuckraker

          Cops cannot shoot for sh-t.

          • Ricardo

            Truth.

          • buck4life

            Darron Wilson can. LMFAO !

            • MojoJoJO

              Well played, Buck. Well played indeed.

            • komodo032

              nope he is a poor shot also, took a man to stop running and put his hands in the air for that idiot to hit him!

              • geburuh@yahoo.com

                TS

              • beebeebiggs

                well played..well played indeed

              • Joshua Michael

                says the kool-aid drinker…

              • Joshua Michael

                says the kool-aid drinker…

              • Joshua Michael

                says the kool-aid drinker…

              • Pearlbuck

                Oh, were you there? Tell me more of your eyewitness account.

                • larry

                  plenty witnesses to the murder

                  • Crown Drinker

                    Plenty of LIARS to the self defense shooting you mean.

                    • Mary Brey

                      Yes; I’m sure they will all say I was in Fear of my and my fellow Officers Lives. Not a one of these Cowardly POS will ever see a day in Jail/Prison but as always the Taxpayer will foot the Bill for their incompetence. They will all be on Paid Administrative Leave(taxpayer vacation) also and will still collect their Generous Pension when the time comes….Public Servants eeeeer I mean Public Executioners……

                      • Crown Drinker

                        STFU you nasty little F**K puppet.

                      • TimO

                        You cowardly little George Zimmerman clone.
                        Do you get lonely living in your mother’s basement?

                      • Crown Drinker

                        FU

                      • Your name

                        You STFU FING MORON!

                      • Crown Drinker

                        FU too.

                      • Larry O’Connor

                        You sir are the worst of the worst. No evil leader could ever pull off their horrors without the aid of the crooked police and moral deficient military. Along with the public deniers. which one are you? are you a dirty cop, a soul less military assassin, or just a stupid mindless citizen who stands with the evil regime?

                      • Crown Drinker

                        Take your pick stupid, I don’t care.

                      • Larry O’Connor

                        Probably all three. Just a stinking traitor. Since you don’t care, you don’t qualify.

                      • Crown Drinker

                        The traitor is you, azzwipe.

                      • rads

                        evil regime are a frickin tea party joker

                      • Deja

                        What are you like 10 years old.

                    • larry

                      you see the white construction workers on video watching the murder screaming he had his hands up

                      you crackers just hate black people

                      • Crown Drinker

                        If you’re watching the same video I am, you’ll see why.

                      • larry

                        you are just a stupid redneck cracker and I don’t give a damn wheter or why you hate black people , that’s your PROBLEM

                      • Crown Drinker

                        Good answer boy.

                      • Alice Jones

                        And you’re a racist who hates whites or you wouldn’t have called them by a racial name. So you’re no better than any other racist.

                      • JW Spiker

                        oh come on Alice its a description there is nothing wrong with or racist about his comment it sounds like your the one with the problem ya think!!!

                      • Alice Jones

                        By your comment I guess you don’t mind being called by the N word because, after all, it’s just a description!

                      • larry

                        I love everybody

                      • Alice Jones

                        Riiiiight…..

                      • Your name

                        I’m WHITE and I don’t hate black people and I’m on Michael’s side!

                      • Crown Drinker

                        Traitors will be dealt with

                      • john

                        who is Michael?

                      • larry

                        most white people are good people , most black people are good people
                        most people are good people , I believe that

                      • Vernon Cunningham

                        witnesses are not always reliable.

                      • pabb

                        that includes, especially cops.

                      • larry

                        9 witnesses say the same thing
                        COPS LIE

                      • Dan

                        You know why white people are called “crackers”? It’s because they used to crack the whips on your asses, so i’m sure they appreciate the compliment.

                      • larry

                        no that’s not why , they had a black person whip the slaves
                        they had a Clarence Thomas or a Ben carson whip the slaves to show how much control they had

                    • Larry O’Connor

                      I’m sorry were you there? Why haven’t we heard about your eyewitness account? When the last shot was fired was the police officer still in mortal danger?

                      • Vernon Cunningham

                        LOL, after the last shot, there was no longer any danger.

                      • JW Spiker

                        save your breath Larry most of these guys are bigots and racist or just plain drunk no talking to them

                    • not white nor black

                      where you there to ensure that they are ALL LIARS?
                      they were interviewed separately and they all said the same thing of how it happened.
                      There are good cops, and bad cops, this is one of the bad ones, do not defend a bad one, defend the good ones.
                      I had been in front of racist cops, but didn’t have a phone to record it, or witness, but I do know in my heart and my head that they DO EXIST.

                  • Pearlbuck

                    Yeahhhhh… plenty of liars telling lies. The EVIDENCE is telling an opposite story.

                    • larry

                      what evidence , where are the crime scene photos , the clothes , the shell casings , the incident report , just showing where the shells were from the body would prove the case but they have covered it all up

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Thumb wound, blood on gun, powder evidence… etc etc. do your own reading.

                  • tulet

                    Race bait somewhere else please, like Liberia, and be sure to take plenty of hand sanitizer and face masks. And don’t come back.

                    • RealTexan

                      Not really. Wasn’t Brown shot in the face, and wasn’t that from more than 20 feet away?

                      • Alice Jones

                        No, he wasn’t.

                    • larry

                      then who would pick the cotton for you lazy white men

                      • tulet

                        I don’t wear cotton, I wear the skin of the downtrodden to warm me.

                      • larry

                        they seem awfully heavy with people on your back

                      • tulet

                        Human skin is pretty light once removed and tanned.

                      • larry

                        do you eat them too

                      • tulet

                        No, too gamy for me. The additional pesticides and chemicals from inoculations leave a bad aftertaste.

                      • larry

                        you couldn’t be a Mau Mau , they love eating people 🙂

                      • tulet

                        I’m no cannibal, but a fashion mogul for the human skin.

                      • larry

                        I thought you were a TOUGH GUY

                      • tulet

                        Once cooked I’m kinda stringy.

                      • tulet

                        Don’t let my calm portly demeanor fool you, 21 years of military service in the Tank Corps, I have no problem when it comes to defending, to the death if need be, my family and myself.

                      • larry

                        you are probably old fat and slow now

                      • tulet

                        still know how to kill

                      • larry

                        if they stay still and let you

                  • Matt Davidson

                    witnesses lie

                    • larry

                      nine separate witnesses say the same thing
                      COPS LIE

                      • Matt Davidson

                        really thats funny because there a bunch of witnesses that are supporting the cops story therefore the witnesses that say the cop lied are the liars.

                      • larry

                        we don’t know what they say , but it sounds like they are talking about an altercation at the car
                        he was shot 30 feet from the car so that is irrevelant
                        Ferguson thinks everybody is STUPID

                      • Matt Davidson

                        evidence doesn’t lie only people do and the evidence supports the cops story.

                      • larry

                        that’s a lie , where are the crime scene photos , shell casings , clothes he wore , incident report
                        we are not as stupid as you AWP , DOJ will fry Wislon’s ass since Ferguson is just too racist to do it

                      • Matt Davidson

                        “that’s a lie , where are the crime scene photos , shell casings , clothes he wore , incident report. DOJ will fry Wislon’s ass since Ferguson is just too racist to do it” and who are you to make that determination. nobody. evidence doesn’t lie and you are a retard.

                      • larry

                        the cops are hiding the evidence because it was MUDER
                        cops lie all the time and I really don’t give a FF what you think of me son

                      • Matt Davidson

                        prove it, you can’t, why because it’s not your job or your privilege to know. the fact is that there are black witnesses that have spoken on the cops side and from what has come out the evidence supports the cop. once again evidence doesn’t lie only people do, and if you think i give a $hit what a keyboard lawyer thinks of me then you are out of your mind. only retards decide if somebody is innocent or guilty based of rumor and speculation.

                      • larry

                        the fact that you have no respect for mentally disabled people shows what a jerk you are anyway . The witnesses they talk about says there was an altercation at the car .
                        We always said there was an altercation .
                        Brown was 30 feet from the car when shot . ALL Witnesses say he was surrending when shot . That is MURDER and Holder will fry him before he leaves

                      • Matt Davidson

                        the fact that you think of mentally disabled people as retarded shows how little respect you have for them. they are disabled not retarded. i use retard for people that don’t have a excuse for their stupidity. “ALL Witnesses say he was surrending when shot” WRONG there are BLACK witnesses that say he was fighting with the cop at his cruiser and evidence is indicating the the first shot was fired at point blank since there is GSR on Brown. retards like you are the problem with the world, you think that because you think you know what happened based off what his retarded parents say that you have the right to come up with your own verdict when you have no proof.

                      • larry

                        I wouldn’t call anybody “retard ” , it’s an insult to real disabled .
                        Brown was shot 30 feet from car , the altercation is IRREVELENT
                        He was surrendering and the cop executed him .
                        Wilson will spend much time in prison with his new BLACK FRIENDS

                      • Matt Davidson

                        just the fact that you would even think of mentally handicapped people when somebody says the word retard is the problem. using it for people that have nothing wrong with them but behave like ignorant jackasses and fools is appropriate and the word retard is used for other things such as retarding the timing on a engine.

                      • larry

                        you can’t clean that up

                      • Matt Davidson

                        fact is the word retard is use for engine timing, flame retardant materials, etc.. go look up what it really means before you argue about it.

                      • larry

                        so you called me someone that outs out engine fires

                  • tulet

                    @Larry, What are you going to do when Officer Wilson is “No Billed” for the justified shooting of Michael Brown? How many cases does the DOJ put in it’s sights when there is violence against blacks by other races, as opposed to how many cases it takes up against blacks committing violence against other races?

                    • larry

                      when the racist town of Ferguson lets the murderer walk then the DOJ must arrest and fry the POS cop . Whites kills whites at 86% blacks kill blacks at 94 % , not much difference
                      But COPS kill black people Everyday and WALK , we go to jail , cops and white punks like GZ don’t

                      • tulet

                        So what you’re telling me Larry is that there are no guilty blacks in jail and they were all framed by white cops? GZ isn’t part of this conversation, he was a wanna be cop that should have gone to jail. Where do you get your percentages? Cracker jacks? GZ isn’t white, he’s Hispanic. You sir are a tool.

                      • larry

                        War on drugs is a War on black people ONLY
                        they are KILLED not framed
                        white Hispanic
                        We agree on GZ , there is hope

                      • tulet

                        Larry you obviously haven’t been in the Appalacia hills where the war on drugs is waging in whites only areas. It’s just not in the news like Chicago, or Detroit. How many drug king pins have the opportunity to get out of the business, but choose to stay for the easy money. It’s a choice for them. Waving cash around, paying cash for exotic cars etc…They couldn’t go get a legitimate job if they tried. I have no sympathy for those people. They chose their lifestyle and will live and die by it. Walking away from it is hard, but they don’t want to work at it. Laziness is what it is.

                      • larry

                        you are absolutely right , I saw a documentary and EVERYBODY was in jail . It was packed with white girls , packed . Drug Kingpins are rare most involved are users trying to pay for it . If you took the profit out of it for the Kingpins by decriminalizing and making it a health issue like Alcoholism then the jails would not be packed .
                        I know you loved the election didn’t you

                      • tulet

                        The DOJ is going to side with the Grand Jury, then what? Your racist Attorney General, who is a disgrace to America by the way, is stranded in support of a street thug who was put down like the dog he was.

                      • larry

                        DOJ works for Holder you know

                      • tulet

                        The evidence does not support any outcome but a “No Bill”, or no charges warranted.

                      • larry

                        the evidence says murder and you mean No TRUE BILL

                      • tulet

                        Whose evidence are you referring to? Local Police, DOJ, and State investigators along with the Grand Jury do not have enough evidence to support the claims of Dorian Johnson or the other people that said his hands were up. They do however have enough evidence to charge Dorian Johnson for making a false statement and accessory to robbery of the market. Michael Brown was charging at Officer Wilson after Officer Wilson exited his vehicle. Officer Wilson was in “Fear For His Life”, after being assaulted by such a large man, and took appropriate measures to stop further assault. “No Bill” or “No True Bill”, same thing = No charges to be filed. Justified in the shooting, therefor “NOT MURDER”

                      • larry

                        BULLSHIT , 9 witnesses say he was shot at 25 feet with his hands up

                      • tulet

                        9 witnesses??? all in front of the Grand Jury? 1 video recording seconds after the shooting describes a black man stating he thought Officer Wilson was missing his shots as the teen was running at him because he wasn’t going down, and then 2 more shots and he went down. The most believable evidence I’ve heard or seen so far that corroborates Officer Wilson’s version of events. Brown was running like a Tackle in Football, arms out and ready to drive Officer Wilson into the ground. Not shot in the back as the witnesses lied about. What else is Dorian Johnson lying about to cover his pathetic ass and trying to keep it out of prison?

                      • larry

                        9 , but don’t know about the GJ , there is video of 2 white construction workers screaming
                        he had his hands up , he had his hands up and the cop just shot him
                        this is during the murder

                      • tulet

                        Just because the DOJ is under Eric Holder doesn’t mean they can ignore right from wrong and do whatever they want.

                      • larry

                        you mean like Ferguson did , let cop murder then walk , DOJ can do what it wants

                      • tulet

                        Have you seen the applications for positions on the police force in Ferguson? None of the Black Males there can qualify due to criminal pasts. Drugs, thefts, burglaries, assaults are all disqualifiers. Puts 75% of the black male population on the un-qualified list. Maybe, just maybe, someone would want to grow up black and crime free in Ferguson. The black males that do qualify to apply for the police in Ferguson don’t want to. They’d have to arrest their friends and family members too often, and then the black community would call them traitors or white wanna be’s.

                      • larry

                        have you seen them ? No you haven’t
                        maybe everybody has a recodt because the police lock everybody black up for nothing
                        I call it REGISTRATION , the cops lock up every young black male to have a record off them
                        Whites do the same “CRIMES” and go home or rehab while blacks go to jail
                        the Criminal Justice System is racist and JUSTICE means JUST US

                      • tulet

                        No Larry, I haven’t seen them, I looked up the information like any good investigator would. It’s called the FOIA. Try using it sometime. Can’t do the time? Don’t do the crime. Maybe there the legal system is harsher on punishments on blacks, but it does not mean they didn’t do the crime. Don’t cry about that, cry about the percentage of black crime as opposed to white crime in Ferguson. What are those statistics? Percentage of population as opposed to percentage of crimes. Black crime is 5 times higher than white there. Now Brown’s mother is prime suspect in an armed robbery and theft. defend that.

                      • larry

                        another Angry White Man LIE , white people get away with murder while black people go to jail for POT
                        Cop executed black boy for Jaywalking while black

                      • tulet

                        Larry, this is my next to last comment for you…What will YOU do when they announce “No charges for Officer Wilson”? No comments about other issues or cases, just this one.
                        My last one will be an I told you this would happen.

                      • larry

                        just say America is racist to it;s core and wait for the DOJ to indict

                  • tulet

                    you call it murder, I call it thinning the herd.

                    • larry

                      you AWM need to all the help you can get to be revelent

                      • tulet

                        @Larry, Revelent by definition would be an extension of the word revel which is “A boisterous festivity or celebration; merrymaking”
                        Thanks for the suggestion Larry, I believe there will be a party when Officer Wilson isn’t charges for the shooting of Michael Brown.
                        If you meant relevant, then that is something entirely different. I have made my mark on America (Being Relevant) by serving her for over 20 years. 2 Combat tours, serving in the Army 20+ years. Putting my life on the line for the freedoms enjoyed by All American Citizens. What have you done that is relevant?
                        Tell me what I need to do??? You must prove your worth to me before you get my respect and consideration. Show me you have made a relevant contribution to America. Until then, You need not comment further.

                      • larry

                        I picked cotton for 400 years

                      • tulet

                        Damn, you’re giving Methusela a run for his money, and must have bale upon bale of cotton.

                      • tulet

                        Your skin should be as thick as leather and your bones like powdered chalk. 400 years old, I commend you on staying out from under the whip to be that old. Do you even know what raw cotton looks like???

                      • larry

                        it’s a METAPHOR tulet

                      • tulet

                        @Larry, Revelent by definition would be an extension of the word revel which is “A boisterous festivity or celebration; merrymaking”
                        Thanks for the suggestion Larry, I believe there will be a party when Officer Wilson isn’t charged for the shooting of Michael Brown.
                        If you meant relevant, then that is something entirely different. I have made my mark on America (Being Relevant) by serving her for over 20 years. 2 Combat tours, serving in the Army 20+ years. Putting my life on the line for the freedoms enjoyed by All American Citizens. What have you done that is relevant?
                        Tell me what I need to do??? You must prove your worth to me before you get my respect and consideration. Show me you have made a relevant contribution to America. Until then, You need not comment further.

                • joeker

                  Cops lie- that”s all that one needs to know !

                  • Rebecca

                    some cops lie. I don’t believe it’s fair to blame everyone just because there’s a lot of bad apples

                    • Mary Brey

                      Too many Bad Apples;not just a Few !

                    • Larry O’Connor

                      The good cops should stand up to the bad cops. I was told “guilt by association” by a police officer when I was in high school.

                      • Renno

                        there are over a million cops in this country….. and your judging them by one cop who killed a black man over disputed scenario. and in the same breath you claim everyone else is racist…. meaning judgemental towards a group…. cops are a group….. are you smart enough to see your hipocracy here???? I wonder….

                      • Larry O’Connor

                        What post did you read? I never said any such thing. I never said anything about racism or any judgement towards this particular cop who shot a black man..??? what are you high? I said good cops should stand up to bad cops. This article is about cops killing a hostage and charging someone else with her murder. I get judged all of the time because of my associations. Most police think its perfectly fine to racially profile so they shouldn’t bitch when they are profiled.

                    • Guest

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                      • Truthbetold

                        Very good. Not related to the horrible article, but very good.

                    • Richard R Garres

                      All cops lie.

                  • carlos martinez

                    No! That is not all one needs to know. By your standards of using a broad brush to paint every officer a liar, then you sir, must be a liar too!

                  • Pearlbuck

                    Criminals lie–and Brown was a disgusting criminal.

                    • TimO

                      You know he was a “disgusting criminal” how? He deserved the death penalty? You are a raciest, admit it. You’re one of those enlightened people who live in the deep south, keep their teeth by their bedside and blame Obama for everything

                      • Uncle Bud

                        Way to drive-by stereotype with a machine gun TimO.
                        Do you know how small that makes you sound after
                        calling somebody a racist (which you misspelled by the way).

                      • BIG CAT 32

                        Was he telling the truth? You know most people can’t handle the truth. By the way Uncle Bud, we stopped the spelling B contest after the 8th grade.

                      • Norman Purcell

                        Big cat 32 you probably never got to algebra either huh? Don’t need no “stinking math” in the hood!!

                      • nebicnezzr

                        You need math in the hood to add up how much those white boys owe for the meth they bought.

                      • Guest

                        White boys don’t buy meth in the hood, that’s what motorcycle gangs are for. White boys may buy a little weed or other drugs from the ghetto boys, tho.

                      • Roid Rogers

                        Spelling Bee or not, its hard to take a comment seriously when the writer cant even spell

                      • Mark Bolin

                        that’s a fact jack!

                      • Tim

                        Where are those 300 federal trolls that were attacking me and denying the existence of a police state here in the U.S.?

                      • Becca Zen

                        really?? i am curious, what is your opinion on the content TimO was conveying or are you just making a generalize opinion on how a person spells reflects their intelligence or are you simply saying that TimO and all those that lack basic grammar and spelling abilities should be denied the right to an opinion? I am severely dyslexic and struggled in school, yet managed to obtain a college degree and have a professional that afforded me a decent living and raised 3 sons, Yet, I still struggle with grammar and spelling. However, thats does NOT reflect my character nor measure my intelligences! So maybe you need to re-examine how YOUR COMMENT makes YOU look, not that you give a damn what I think, i cant even spell ….

                      • Mark Bolin

                        the 8th grade is as far you got? what a loser!

                      • Guest

                        B? That comes after A. I guess you never got past the first round in any spelling bee competitions, eh?

                      • Pearlbuck

                        So, moron, you use a racist stereotype about southern whites while condemning racism? Pretty much says it all. You’re the racist. Admit it.

                        Evidence suggests he was trying to get the cop’s gun from him–if so, he deserved to be shot. What he did in the cigar store showed him to be violent, disgusting criminal.

                      • pearlbuck is a duck

                        Oh, were you there? Tell me more of your eyewitness account.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Yes, I was there. Fucking your mom.

                      • bob

                        Me too, in her ass

                      • Vernon Cunningham

                        the store was videotaped. There is blood evidence in the car and on the officers person. The law allows the officer to stop and/or apprehend a suspect. Cut and dry.

                      • artistsh

                        Except that they were not suspects in ANYTHING and the police chief made it clear the cop did NOT know about the store “robbery” at the time. The store owners/workers didn’t even call the police themselves, by the way. AND what is being said about “blood evidence” in the car is what is being “leaked” during closed Grand Jury testimony which is NOT supposed to be public information so there is no way to tell if this is even the truth. See how that works? Spread disinformation, distort things, and push those distortions as truth when we really don’t know what the fact are – and decide that you know it all. Wrong.

                      • al sowins

                        And, knowing that you do NOT know what took place, you have already reached your unfounded, unevidenced conclusion that the police officer did wrong? You contradict yourself.

                      • catman

                        ALRIGHT CHILDREN !!! Enough with the racist BS crap. If you were NOT an eye witness to the entire Ferguson incident and are only depending upon what you saw in a very short clip of video, I would strongly suggest you shut the hell up until the grand jury indicts or refuses to indict the Officer. My GUESS is he will not be indicted.

                      • McPhone

                        You make perfectly good sense catman…however, I think there will be an indictment.

                      • Kevin M

                        But Brown knew he was a suspect. What everyone wants to gloss over is the fact that Michael Brown was in the mindset of a strong armed robber…he had no clue what Officer Wilson knew. Brown decided he was going to prevent himself from getting arrested using any means necessary. The punk got what he had coming to him.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Kevin, while to was not there I firmly believe that is what happened. Brown thought he was gonna get busted for the strong arm robbery and decided to beat the cops ass rather than goto jail. Typical thuggish behavior. What amazes me are the people that continue to make excuses for people who behave like this. Are there bad cops, absolutely, but there are far more thugs, violent people roaming the streets and to make excuses for them is beyond my comprehension.

                      • pabb

                        didn’t you notice that the persons in the store vid and the murder scene are wearing different clothes?

                      • pabb

                        didn’t you notice that the persons in the store vid and the murder scene are wearing different clothes?

                      • Michael Wilson

                        How many different places are you going to post this reply? Allow me to repeat. I don’t know what video you saw but in every video or still photo I have seen Mr Brown is wearing the identical clothes down to the hat of the individual in the video. Even his friend who was interviewed by the press following the shooting and who can be seen in the doorway of the store in the video is wearing the same clothes during his interview as he was in the video. Now how many 6′ 4 300 lb black men wearing that hat and clothes were in that store or wandering the streets a few minutes later were there?

                      • Rick

                        COPS SAID BROWN DIDNT KNOW

                      • pabb

                        watch the store vid, then watch the vid of the murder scene, the two persons are wearing different clothing.

                      • pabb

                        watch the store vid, then watch the vid of the murder scene, the two persons are wearing different clothing.

                      • Vernon Cunningham

                        it is more likely that these Leaks are on purpose so that the “shock” when the officer is acquited will be less. Which is worse, the riotous nature of the peole in that town, or the orderly quest for truth and justice? The evidence that is up front is that the officer had been hit, or beaten, and the weapon was fired in the car. So there is a likelyhood of blood traces in the car. That shows that the Guy Brown was an attacker. The cop had then every right to arrest him.

                      • nedmorlef

                        what did that video prove?absolutely nothing. the cops told you what to think about that video. it proved nothing but brown was there.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        What the cops told me to think? And where was that, every version of the video I saw had no narration, no cops telling me what to think. And besides, I am a grown man, I make up my own mind as to what to think and what I think is that Brown was a thug or a thug wannabee who bit off more than he could chew by attacking a cop. Was the cop justified in shooting him? I don’t know, the evidence will tell, that’s why we have grand juries. But don’t tell me the video does not show brown committing strong arm robbery, because it sure as hell does.

                      • pabb

                        have you noticed that the two persons, the store vid and the murder scene are not wearing the same clothes?

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Not wearing the same clothes? I don’t know what video or photos you saw but in everyone I reviewed Mr Brown had on the identical clothes (down to the hat) of the individual committing strong arm robbery in that store. Even his friend is wearing the same clothes as the individual with him in the store when he was giving his interview following the shooting to the press.

                      • Keith Baranzini

                        I must have missed the ‘ blood evidence in the car and on the officers person’ in all the articles Ive read. Tell me more about how you like to make up bullshit info, please.

                        A cop simply saying ‘I have blood on me’ isnt proof. No pictures, no video, nothing. I love all the sheep who up voted your ignorant/deceitful comment. Goodluck in life kiddo!

                      • Michael Wilson

                        I supposed you are one who also said that Zimmerman was not attacked by Trayvon and that the video didn’t show any blood or injuries on Zimmerman. That is until the evidence was released at trial, evidence I might add that was withheld by the prosecution until the judge made them release it, and that evidence clearly showed the injuries to the back of Zimmermans head. Thus collaborating his version and allowing him to be aquitted. Just because YOU have not seen any evidence does not mean it doesn’t exist. Anyone with half a brain would with hold judgment until all the evidence is released and known. You choose to believe the word of Browns friend (who said he was shot in the back and that the cop stood over brown and shot him again, which the coroners report shows did not happen) vs what little has been released regarding the officers version of what happened. I for sure would not want you on any jury I may face.

                      • Keith Baranzini

                        I couldnt give two shits about that case. You’re going to bring a completely unrelated case into this one as ‘proof’? Lol….I have nothing else to say to such an idiot.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        It’s an apt comparison–just like in the Trayvon Martin case, a bunch of idiots like you jumped to a conclusion based on media lies and hysteria. The truth is coming out now, and you’re too stubborn to admit you got punked.

                      • Keith Baranzini

                        Uh… You just said ‘based on media lies and hysteria.’ Youre proving me right? Are you really that dumb? The media swayed in the way of zimmerman all the way the entire time. Lmao You are making contradictory statements. Im sure you have no idea what that word means

                      • Pearlbuck

                        You’re a moron–the media reported that a “white” man shot a black “child” for no reason. They later spliced his audio to falsely make Zimmerman look racist. Allow me to say that again: “The media spliced audio together to create the false impression that Zimmerman was a racist.

                        The sad thing is that taking this position won’t make the thugs you emulate and worship see that you’re just a skinny white boy.

                      • Keith Baranzini

                        Oh my god….You mean the same way they say that darren wilson had gotten hit in the face by brown and had xrays to prove it? Yet they couldnt show the xrays? Lmao. Aw man, you people are morons.

                        Youre pretty one sided, weird its on the side of whoever the government officials deem the winner in the end. They must always be right huh? lol You kids.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        You so gangsta! Damn, you pretty fly for a white guy!

                      • Georgann Putintsev

                        Who’s to say your buddy or fellow officer didn’t hit you after the FACT to cause the bruise? Photographs must be taken immediately afterwards & the police officer & scene police officer’s must be separated from each other; so stories cannot be woven. If you heard the Police Operator’s recordings during the Brown murder, you would know this was a cover-up from the get go.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        I have heard and read every thing I can find on this issue. I see nothing that tells me whether the officer is lying or not, whether he is injured or not or whether the witnesses (who have given conflicting stories, one audio of which backs up the officers claim that brown was moving towards him) statements are accurate or truthful. Unlike you, I will wait till all the evidence is in, all the facts are known and the grand jury finishes its investigation before convicting or justifying anyone. I do have an opinion but that’s just what it is an opinion based on limited information. I will not form a final judgment until all the facts are known. As for your assertion about the police beating their fellow officer to make it appear he had injuries that is so ludicrous as to be laughable. I suppose you are a 911 truther as well. Nope, you and those like you are in a rush to judgment, you will not believe anything else no matter what evidence is presented. You are a closed minded individual. I would not want you on a jury either.

                      • pabb

                        could you give me a site for that recording? not because i don’t believe you, i watnt to hear it myself, and pass it on.

                      • tkell31

                        It’s easily available if you just look for it so that would make you the idiot.

                      • Keith Baranzini

                        In your world, mere words in an article are enough to equal proof apparently. Lmao I feel sorry for ya.

                      • brother freedom

                        Pearl, go clean your urine-stained sheets…..

                      • craiggnt

                        Please tell us ,what did he do in the cigar store? He did not steal the cigars . If you watch the whole video and not the one the cops edited,I believe that is called tampering with evidence. The owner of the store had no idea what the cops wanted when they showed up. This towns PD has a history of arresting people ,one because he was waiting for the poring rain to stop. They then detained him. beat him and left him in a cell for days with a concussion.Two people know what happened that day,only one lived. That does not make his story true.. By the way. A white man calling a white man a racist name is not being racist. And what racist word did he use?

                      • Pearlbuck

                        He violently, physically attacked a man while leaving with cigars that his friend later admitted (though his lawyer) Brown was stealing. He used a racial/cultural stereotype to (wrongly) insult me. It’s there for you to read in black and white, moron.

                      • Mhall

                        Pearlbuck You old liar… Typical white bs… blowing things out of proportion…
                        I’m not saying he was an angel (neither were you in your youth) But the worst thing he did to that man was to get in the mans face to intimidate him and shove the man… he did not strike him.
                        For that he did not deserve the death penalty. It deserved probation, to pay a fine, and community service…

                        That video had nothing to do with how and why he was killed by that punk-ass, dirty ass – murderer, Darren Wilson.

                        I guess you should be shot in the street for every wrong thing your hypocritical ass has done in your youth.

                        Grow up and stay off the internet until you have something useful to say.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Thank you for showing the world what an illogical cretin you are. (“Cretin” means really, really dumb, by the way.)

                        What you saw him do to that man on video was a CRIME, thus making Brown a CRIMINAL, and I found it DISGUSTING. I never did anything like that when I was a “youth” and Brown was an ADULT anyway, moron.

                        You call the decorated officer a murderer based on nothing but your own hatred. Evidence indicates that Brown was shot for attacking Wilson and trying to take his gun–which gave Wilson every right to shoot him. The other area morons who have since tried to attack officers got shot dead, and that’s how it will always be. And should be.

                      • ROACH000

                        Decorated officer? You sure about that. One award for a 8 gram weed bust, does not equal out to a decorated officer. Nice try though.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Just a fact. He was awarded for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” and that’s that, chump. Also, he will be acquitted.

                      • ROACH000

                        You think him being acquitted will effect me? You think just because he’s aquitted, it will save his department from a record lawsuit on their department? People get the award for saving dogs from traffic LMFAO. Nice try though, again.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Yep, you picked a loser here–just like the Trayvon case–because you don’t respect the rule of law.

                      • Nickkinick

                        Well Trayvon was NOT stealing.He was walking home from the store minding his own business. Zimmerman was NOT the law! Heck he was not even Top Flight Security. He was neighborhood watch on a power trip. Had he followed instructions, Trayvon would still be alive. I don’t know all the details of Mike Brown’s case, but I do know stealing cigars and shoving someone does not justify being shot and killed.

                      • Brandon

                        what if that store clerk getting shoved around for what lets be absurd and say 20.00 worth of cigars and has a heart attack and dies. no one knows could have happened risk chance then what? and lets completely suspend reality and say this is his first attempt at thug life. then how do you explain wrestling with a police officer in his car for the officers gun. Seems you have some pre-assumptions that can be made: a young adult making a lot of poor choices or a killer cop who lures young black men into his car asks them to make a grab for his gun and then shots them in the front the back the side while apparently they have their hands up just to then watch his town be destroyed over and over again oh and his fellow officers take turns in separate killings so no one will notice. yeah that totally makes sense lets go loot cause that will show them.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        You can never make a good argument when you start a sentence off with “Let’s pretend” or ” let’s suppose”. Then you talk about pre-assumptions and roll right into an assumption about reaching in a car. That hasn’t been proven. Only the word of a murderer. Where’s your head at?

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Hypocrisy much? You chastise him for making an assumption about reaching into a car and say that hasn’t been proven, then you turn right around and call Officer Wilson a murderer. Is that not an assumption? And to use your own logic (?) it has not been disproven that Brown reached into the car and was fighting with the Officer. You cant have it both ways, so which is it? Where is your head at?

                      • Nickkinick

                        What are you talking about. I clearly said I do not know enough about Mike Brown’s case to give a logical argument. BTW your “what if ” argument is irrelevant. The clerk didn’t die from being shoved. So all the points you tried to make aren’t valid. Now go away and come back with valid points.

                      • Jim

                        The jury seems to have disagreed-ed with you.

                      • Nickkinick

                        They were a bunch of racist morons. Case closed.

                      • Jim

                        so blacks are racist morons?

                      • Nickkinick

                        They were NOT black. There were no blacks on the jury. I’m done talking to you. You have your view and I have mines.

                        Peace

                      • Jim

                        you are ignorant.

                      • Nickkinick

                        The panel appeared to reporters who were covering the jury selection to be made up of five white women and a sixth who may be Hispanic, the AP reported. Four alternate jurors — two women and two men — will hear the case as well, CNN reports.
                        (US News)

                        Jim…your MOMMA!!!!!!! Now go play in traffic.

                      • pabb

                        as the plethora of persons being released after being found not guilty because the jury that convicted them WERE NOT given all the pertinent and known info, i wouldn’t say the juries decision can be taken as true measure of GZ guilt or innocence.

                      • Jim

                        Trying too appear educated? your grammar is quite off. I never said anything about guilt or innocence.

                      • pabb

                        you say “disagreed-ed” and critic MY grammar?? and what does a jury do but decide guilt of innocence? so it does not need to be mentioned, you said the jury disagreed, there for it had to be about guilt or innocence. please diagram my post for me, to demonstrate your greater knowledge of grammar.

                      • Jim

                        disagreed-ed, certainly passes spell check, and your next question is?

                      • 15 69 70

                        Trevon was a thug. The media and his Parents along with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson made it into a racial issue when it was not. Blacks need to stop playing the racist card when people of color are killed while engaging in criminal behavior. George Zimmerman was getting his as kicked and no matter what he said to Treyvon it didn’t give Treyvon the right to draw first blood. He paid the ultimate price for his bad judgement with his life because he couldn’t help but act in his true manner as a thug. If you try to beat someones ass and get shot in a state where the “Stand your Ground” law is in effect, or get shot when you grab at a police officers gun while struggling to escape law enforcement after committing a crime. It’s not because your black, it’s because your a criminal. If you side with criminals, don’t complain when you become one of their victims.

                      • Nicole Wilson

                        15 69 70 – I don’t think Trevon was a thug, just a testosterone laden kid who made a very wrong choice. Not something he should have died over. Zimmerman made the crucial missteps by a) ignoring the 911 operator and getting out of his car to approach Treyvon and b) having a gun he didn’t need to have. You can scream about freedom to carry weapons all you want, if Zimmerman didn’t have his you would have never heard their story because it would have been a news blurb about two idiots who got into a fist fight in some town in Florida, the end. The Brown case was something entirely different but I will withhold my opinion on that until all the facts are out.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Two idiots who got into a fist fight, really? When the witnesses and the photos all show that Trayvon was pounding Zimmermans head into the sidewalk. At what point in your simplified world does a simple fistfight turn into attempted murder or felonious assault? A gun he didn’t need to have, again, when does he need to have one? Obvioulsy on this occasion I would say. One thing you are right about, if Zimmerman had not had a gun Trayvon would have probably continued to pound his head on the sidewalk until he was either dead or seriously injured and we would not have heard a thing about it on the news. Even if Trayvon had been caught after the fact, why,,Because its a black on white ( or Hispanic) crime.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        They’ll never accept responsibility when they’re wrong Michael. There’s NO talking to these “people”…”People” – referring to race-card pullers at every chance and race-baiters like Obama, Holder, Jackson, and Sharpton. All no good for America.

                      • Alice Jones

                        Getting your head pounded into the concrete isn’t a fistfight, lady!

                      • nebicnezzr

                        It was never proven that TM drew first blood. Again just the word of a murder said that.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        You are wrong again. The word of a murderer did not say that, Zimmerman was exonerated, the jury (which contained several Blacks) said he was not guilty. All the evidence said he was not guilty (when the prosecution was forced to release exculpatory evidence to the defense which they had tried to hide) so in fact Zimmerman is not a murderer, he is an innocent man. The only reason it became a story in the first place was because the press (again, the liberal media pushing an agenda) only showed us pictures of trayvon as a 12 year old, not the big tall 17 year old with gold teeth, pics holding a gun. Didn’t report on the reasons he was expelled from school or that the only reason he was at his fathers house was because his mother could not control him. Or his being caught with burglary tools or stolen merchandise or that the items he bought at the store were typically use to make what is called “Purple Drank” a drink used to get high. Pictures showing Zimmermans Bloodied face and head were suppressed until the judge made them release them to the defense. Almost all of the negative information regarding Trayvon and his lifestyle was found out by bloggers on the internet and even then the Mainstream media would not report it. But the jury saw it, because the defense knew about it. That’s why he was aquitted. The evidence, that’s EVIDENCE (not your wishes) said he was. Oh and lets not forget that Trayvons own father originally said the person screaming on the 911 call was not his son. Only after they filed a lawsuit against the Homeowners association (which they did before Trayvons body was even cold) did he change his story. How people like you can ignore any evidence that proves you are incorrect simply amazes me. You must also think if you fail an exam then that’s the teachers fault as well and not yours.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        People like me? Like you know me. You talk like you have first hand information on black people but I would be willing to bet you never met one. GZ lied to get that Not Guilty verdict.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Yeah, I know you and people just like you have seen them all my life. Please show me where GZ lied, the only lies that were told were by the prosecution in trying to with hold evidence and the press in failing to report accurately what Trayvon was really like. As for me not knowing any black people, WRONG AGAIN, have been best man at a mixed wedding, my nephew is mixed race (black and white), my best friend is also black and my shooting buddies are Hispanic and black. As a final note on this subject, I served with many people of color, all of them honorable decent folks that had my back and I had theirs. I doubt you have ever done anything except pay lip service to true racial harmony. But yeah back to the statement that I don’t know you, yes I do. You are entitlement minded, think anyone who disagrees with anyone of color for any reason must do so because they are racist, don’t think people should own a gun, think people who have worked hard all their lives owe it to you to share their hard earned money. You vote democratic, believe the black man is a victim of white privilege and not anything to do with the choices they make, you see conspiracy everywhere, think bigger government is better and worst of all you think you are better than anyone else. You would gladly shred the constitution if you thought it would further you deluded dreams of what you think this country should be. You despise authority (unless that authority is being used to further an agenda you agree with) and you don’t think rich people pay their fair share. In other words a typical race baiting, Obama worshipping, leftist liberal. Oh and as a final comment, you are the type of person so convinced of your own superiority and wisdom that even if you saw a video or had a hundred witnesses saying that something happened one way, if that way did not fit your view you would discard all that evidence and make up some implausible reason as to why you were right and all of them were wrong. You are so transparent its pathetic.

                      • Alice Jones

                        The evidence showed he DID NOT lie. He’s not guilty. Get over it!

                      • Alice Jones

                        It’s not murder when you defend yourself. If you were getting your head bashed in, you’d defend yourself with whatever was handy or else you’d die. Zimmerman did what anyone would do. He defended himself. That doesn’t make him a murderer.

                      • Nickkinick

                        Like I said George Zimmerman is not in law enforcement. Trayvon owed him NO explanations. BTW we only have Zimmerman’s account of what took place, so we don’t know what really happened. I find it hard to believe a 17 year old beat up a grown man. Another thing if Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman when he was shot…why didn’t Zimmerman have any blood on his clothes? I’ll wait!

                      • Michael Wilson

                        I can answer that question for you. A simple internet search will bring up a picture of Trayvons body on the ground, a close up. Infact you cant even see the entry wound and there is no blood on his clothes. When a bullet enters the heart it stops pumping blood immediately. From the position of the body (on its back) if he was on top of GZ when shot and fell off onto his back no blood would seep out and unlike the movies when a person is shot especially if they are wearing a jacket or hoodie then blood does not spray out. That is hollywoods version. Most bleeding from a gunshot is caused by the heart continuing to pump blood to the wound thus leaking outside the body. If the heart is not pumping and the gunshot does not produce and exit wound (which it did not on Trayvon) and the wound is not in a position that gravity can cause it to leak then there will be no blood outside the body. Any medical person can confirm this for you or you can look at prior cases of victims who were heart shot.

                      • Nickkinick

                        “Martin’s mom, Sybrina Fulton, averted her eyes as a picture of her son, sprawled on the grass and BLEEDING from a bullet wound to the chest, flashed across a screen. “I called out to the crowd for Saran Wrap and Vaseline to close the chest wound,” Sanford Police Sgt. Tony Raimondo, one of the first cops on the scene, testified.”

                        Thank you for your reply” Professor” but this is from the New York daily news. It clearly says he was bleeding and they had photos to back up.

                        I’m done talking to you. Enjoy your day!

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Well, I hate to tell you this but the actual photo (and not some reporters sensationalist writing) Show no blood at all. Do a simple search on the “keeping it real” meme. I wont post it because I don’t agree with the meme’s message. But its simple enough to find. Once again you ignore real information, verifiable information and instead use a third party (and we all know how trustworthy the media is) to try and support an unsupportable position. And I do hope your done talking to me, its getting boring constantly proving you wrong.

                      • Nickkinick

                        You have not proved damn thing. You just running your mouth like the rest of the racist who think they are crime scene experts or expert investigators. Who the hell are you that I should take your word as fact. Your just some jerk behind a computer screen talking about sh*t you have no idea about. Were you there when it all went down? Oh I know they summoned you for your “expert” opinion? GTFOH with that BS and BTW yes ….I am done talking to you.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        I didnt ask you to take my word as fact. I gave you information where you can see for yourself. Here is a link for you: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Trayvon+MArtin+Body+Photos Show me where the Blood spray is. Show me where the blood on his clothes is. Look at the picture of the wound ( with his Hoodie and shirt removed) with very little leakage even an hour after the shooting. Everything I posted about your blood spatter statement being wrong is backed up by photos, actual evidence. Not by your fantasy of what you want to believe. And the only racist here is you. You have demonstrated that many times over and your attempts to place that label on me is weak, pathetic and a vain attempt to turn the light off your preposterous statements. Sorry, anyone here who has half a brain will see right thru that and I believe my photo evidence trumps your bleeding heart liberal rag The Daily news. Most likely is that you looked at the photos and didnt like being proven wrong so you lash out and deny what you saw with your own eyes. Stick around, you will discover that I don’t “run my mouth” unless I have factual evidence to back it up. If I have an opinion I will indicate that it is just that, my opinion. Unlike you, who insists that everyone accept your “opinions” as fact without question. The ball is in your court, prove my statements about the blood are wrong. I have backed up my assertions, lets see you do the same. Of course you wont, because you cant. Your statement had no basis in reality to begin with. I will post one picture that is not to graphic and does not show his face. The others are available at the link I posted.

                      • Nickkinick

                        I’m not a racist. Furthermore I could really care less if you believe me agree with me take my word for it or anything else. The bottom line is this had George Zimmerman stayed his butt in the truck like the authorities told him to do and left Trayvon alone like the authorities told him too Trayvon would still be alive today that is the bottom line. Every news source “REPUTABLE” OR NOT PLAYED THAT TAPE and it always said the same thing.

                        #bleedingHeart”liberal”rag…andI’mtheracist?

                        Michael Wilson enjoy your day. I really am done talking to you.

                        To bad Disquis does not have block and delete.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Ahh yes, block and delete. Allow me to quote an old movie line “YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH”.. Once again you asked why you “should take my word” and that I “have not proved a damn thing” so I post the proof, the photos and now that your delusional little world has come crashing down, now that your misguided belief in the lies the liberal media told you has been proven to be just that lies and now that you have seen with your own eyes that I have in fact “proved a damn thing” like all liberals you wont admit you were incorrect, wont admit the truth even after you have seen it with your own eyes. Instead you want to block me (so you don’t have to see the truth). That is sooo typical of you and your ilk. HAd it occur on other boards once their lies had been exposed with facts, facts!!! Not innuendo, half truths or twisted statistics. Run away if you like, wont change the truth, you know it, I know it and now everyone who has half a brain after looking at the photos knows it. You were wrong, the media was wrong. So run along back to your fantasy world, hang out with only people who are as deluded as you are. That’s a great way to go through life: misinformed, blind to the truth and unwilling to change. RUN FOREST RUN !!! The truth is chasing you !!

                      • Nickkinick

                        Dude With modern technology ANYTHING can be the way we say it is…including the photos you posted and quite possibly the photos I viewed. Have you not heard of photoshop? . I still say had Zimmerman not been on a power trip and had he left Trayvon ALONE and let the real authorities handle it Trayvon would still be here and I would not be going back and forth with you. You roll with your view and I’ll roll with mines.

                        BTW I’m not running from anyone especially you. I FEAR NO MAN.

                        Bye

                      • Michael Wilson

                        You may fear no man but you sure do fear the truth. Even when its right in front of you, instead you try to make feeble excuses as to why it cant be true, such as photoshop or some such other nonsense. Tell you what, those same photos are available for public dissemination via the trial transcripts. If you like I can send you a request form so that you can get them directly from the courthouse archives. You know and I know that those are not photoshopped. Like I said in my earlier post, folks like you don’t want the truth, wont accept the truth and will make any excuse possible to avoid recognizing the truth. Thank you for proving my point. Fortunately, those that don’t have an agenda, and are not close minded will see those photos and perhaps start to question what other falsehoods you, the media and others like you have tried to perpetrate on the American public in regards to both the GZ case and others. Is anything possible with modern technology, within reason, sure. But to try to dispose of the truth when you and I both know (whether you admit it or not) that those photos are genuine is both dishonest and deplorable. By the way, anyone who fears no man is either stupid, mentally deranged or plain crazy. No matter how bad ass you think you are there is always someone badder, crazier and more fearless than you. Most people who think like that wind up dead or severely injured. A little fear is a good thing, keeps you sharp and on your toes. Lack of fear leads to complacency, overconfidence and mistakes. Good luck with that attitude.

                      • Alice Jones

                        OMG! You can’t refute the evidence so you resort to “Oh, it must have been photo shopped because it doesn’t agree with me”. What a crock! Michael Wilson is correct about the evidence and it’s undeniable. He total owned you!

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Allow me to reply to your latest assertion, that Martin would still be alive if GZ had stayed in the truck. According to trial transcripts, and the 911 call GZ made. GZ got out of his truck to look for Martin, Could not find him (LOst sight of him is what GZ told the 911 dispatcher). According to Police testimony, where the incident took place (where MArtin was shot) it appeared that GZ was on his way back to his truck. Based on the timeline in the minutes that elapsed between GZ getting out of his truck and the incident Martin had ample time to goto his Fathers residence. He did not, instead it appears that Martin Circled back. Why would he do that? All he had to do was go home, he was steps away and GZ had lost sight of him. This is my opinion: If Martin didn’t want a confrontation then all he had to do was walk a few more steps to safety. Instead he confronted GZ (after all Martin was a member of a fight club and GZ was a fat middle aged man. So Martin figured he would give out a little street justice, how did that work out for him do you think? Its typical of drug using, street thugs to want to fight at any provocation (proven by the multitude of videos on World Star Hip Hop and You tube). That’s why the jury acquitted Martin, his injuries, the timeline, and the 911 call of GZ screaming for help. If you say all that had to happen was for GZ to stay in his truck then I say all that had to happen was for Martin to have gone home. He had the time, the opportunity and the means. Make bad decisions, get bad results. PS: Love how you completely ignore the fact that your statement about the blood was wrong and instead try to change the subject. Another favorite tactic of liberals.

                      • Alice Jones

                        You can believe whatever you want, but the medical report confirmed that Martin was smashing Zimmerman’s head onto the concrete. That’s entirely inappropriate action toward someone who is following you but not doing anything else whatsoever. Trayvon brought the shooting on himself.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        Thank you Zim for taking out that punk.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Trying to take a cop’s gun does.

                      • Alice Jones

                        No, but assaulting a police officer and attempting to steal his gun, and continuing to act aggressively after being ordered to stop, will get you every time.

                      • Sam Sissiorbell

                        Triple KKK cleaners called again your sheet is ready.

                      • 15 69 70

                        Too bad you want to throw race around when the truth is spoken. Tell yourself lies but it won’t help. Just because white people will speak out against the opinions of people throwing the race card doesn’t mean they’re racist, it means they’re awake.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        No. But praising a killer cop and calling the victim a thug based on the information that has been proven (which is nothing) would be considered that. The only thing you have to base you belief on is the word of a killer.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Your hypocrisy is amazing. On one hand you say that calling the victim (where he has not been shown to be the victim and in fact might be an attempted murderer and at best is a string arm robber so isn’t that a thug?) is wrong then you turn right around and call Officer Wilson a killer cop, again without all the evidence in. Can you say “BLANTANT HYPOCRISY”, I knew you could.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        If neither you nor I have evidence” then why is my statement hypocrisy and not yours?

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Because I am not calling either one of them a muerderer or a victim. You are, you called Wilson a murderer did you not? I only called brown a thug because the video proves he was. He committed strong arm robbery, that is undeniable. Yet you condem me for calling brown a thug, for which there is abundant evidence. Whereas no one on these boards knows what evidence there is for wilsons guilt or innocence. Hence, you are a hypocrite for chastising me for calling brown a thug (with evidence to support that assertion) yet you call Wilson a murderer without knowing the evidence. The very definition of hypocrite.

                      • Sam Sissiorbell

                        I didn’t ring your bell so why all the bull?and were did I throw out all the race around show me? Another thing I am white served two tours in NAM and that gives me the right to say what the hell I want to,what did you ever do beside sit behind a computer and stick your nose in were it doesn’t concern you? Your the one who said travon was a thug NOT ME so why are you judging people you don’t no? I think you need to go the same-time pearlbuck does and pick your sheet up or do you have an extra-one in the closet?

                      • Michael Wilson

                        You threw out the race card when you told him Triple KKK cleaners called that his sheet was ready. It amazes me how easily you and those like you toss around racist accusations and then deny that you did. It rolls so easily off your tongue that you don’t even realize you are doing that. Anyone who dares to say the truth or disagree with you on anything to do with black crime and criminals is a racist in some manner or form. Oh and I am also a Veteran of Viet Nam and I have the right to say what the hell I want and I say Trayvon was a thug, his facebook pics show that, his “fight club” antics show that, his being expelled from school for various reasons show that, his carrying of burglary tools and his procession of stolen merchandise all show that he was a thug or at least a wannabe thug. You turning a blind eye to those facts does not change that one iota.

                      • Sam Sissiorbell

                        Your entitled to your opinion no matter how ignorant you sound My parents taught me to never argue with those that were feeble minded as they would say so this conversation has ended.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        You accusing someone of being ignorant is hysterical. My sides hurt from laughing. And now we see your true colors. Another bleeding heart liberal who when the game doesn’t go their way pack up their stuff and go home. Typical. All you folks are the same, when your hypocrisy is presented for all to see or when your arguments are disproven or when you are losing a discussion because you have no facts to back it up you all say the same things the same way. Your like lemmings, its all to predictable.You call Those that are taking an opposing view ignorant, racist or both and then you leave. TOO FRIGGIN FUNNY. Pathetic but funny.

                      • Sam Sissiorbell

                        O i see your officer Wilson illegitimate son we new he was hiding something glad you stepped forward.I saw your comment on YOUTUBE were you was asking for donations to help out own your rent and food I hope your doing better .You should sue your dad for child support or go own some of these newscasts and make them pay for your story because he is sitting at home drawing a paycheck and your living in a homeless camp down by the river i feel so sorry for you.Because your mother is AA is that why he doesn’t have anything to do with you? Like I say take his ass to court and make him pay for your support and in the meantime you can ask for money on this site I am sure these people will feel sorry for you and help you out.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        And once again you show your true colors. You have nothing to counter any of my arguments so you resort to not only name calling but outright lies. And to top it off you said you were not going to respond to me anymore, YET YOU DID. See, everything out of your mouth(keyboard) is a lie. You wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you in your ass which I am sure that in your case it has done more times than you can remember. You truly are a pathetic little man aren’t you. Living in a fantasy world. And while this lame attempt to belittle me is so transparent as to be invisible allow me to address just one aspect of it. My mother and father are both dead so use of deriding them to get a rise out of me will not work. Now do what you promised and take your racist, lying ass home and quit responding . (of course you wont do that, its not who you are, you cant keep your word, cant tell the truth and don’t know the meaning of the word integrity).

                      • Alice Jones

                        Your rant is nothing more than hatred spewing from a mind that’s incapable of responding with anything resembling intelligence. You can’t refute the actual evidence so you try to write something “clever” (it’s not, by the way) hoping to deflect the negative attention away from yourself and onto the one person who has been presenting a logical argument with facts to back him up. That’s pretty lame. You’re also doing it in cowardly fashion, not putting your name to your posts. Typical.

                      • Alice Jones

                        You are not white. Go back over your comments and perhaps you’ll see why that’s so obvious.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        Triple KKK? Wouldn’t that be KKK KKK KKK? I guess he must be 3 times as bad.

                      • pabb

                        the rule of law? perhaps respecting the law, by the ruler might be nice.

                      • Pearlbuck
                      • Pearlbuck

                        People should get awards for saving dogs from traffic.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        What’s the difference between a dead thug in the street and a dead dog???

                        ….There’s skid marks before the dog.

                      • Brandon

                        I get it I’m white I must be a hater. I have multiple bibles so I must be ignorant. I cling to my guns so I must be a RED NECK. Oh wait a minute Miami was decided before the facts and we saw mayhem, marches, theft and destruction hours after Ferguson. I have a my bible because my fellow man is just as flawed as I am and a uniform doesn’t change that. I cling to my guns because their are to many uneducated and or disinterested in the Constitution. To some it’s a living, breathing, morphing piece of toilet paper. Constitution the Bible where is he going with all the this? right and wrong, freedom chosen ignorance, perpetual victimhood? Their is a culture in America of disrespect and it has nothing to do with color. Right after Ferguson a black officer shot a white youth in Utah, where was the out rage, the looting how come the news wasn’t cycling it every 3 minutes and where were all you rush to judgment lode up the bus cop haters then. Where was Al “race bait Sharpton? I didn’t see a press conference anywhere in Utah. I just love it when people convince themselves that they are right they were not there but they know the skinny. Don’t know wasn’t there but to justify my stealing and destroying and burning, I know lets blame the white guy/cop or the amazing white German Jewish Hispanic because they all hate blacks that are punching the sh*t out of them and or trying to take their gun. Self defense is a wonderful thing it worked for the officer in Utah as well as the white German Jewish Hispanic in Miami. So will Ferguson be burned down when thins don’t go the BLACK way and at what point has a thug gone to far.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        Whites saved all their rioting for a Pumpkin festival. I guess we know where their priorities are.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        <——————————— What should happen to all THUGS.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        How many black people did he have to beat up to get that award?

                      • pabb

                        pearl, you do knaow that he was also part of a police dept that was so thoroughly bad that it was disbanded, yes? and that disciplinary records weren’t kept in ferguson up until ~3 years ago, yes?

                      • Jim

                        And how many felony arrest’s have you made ? roach.

                      • Sam Sissiorbell

                        Your wasting your time with PEARLBUCK she’s probably deranged

                      • pabb

                        and the real Pearl Buck is probably rolling in her grave….

                      • Raymond

                        Pearlbuck: Or Pearly boy as it should be. The cop that shot Brown knew nothing of the alleged theft. It had no bearing on the shooting. I am no fan of Brown’s either but cops are getting out of hand and they will get slapped back down into their place pretty soon. Hopefully but the courts but it will happen one way or the other. Even if Brown had tried to take the officer’s weapon, he was shot while standing a good distance away from the cop so it is irrelevant to the shooting. The cop had the situation under control but fired anyway. Why? Because he was humiliated by Brown? Is that a capital punishment crime? Is the officer judge and jury and executioner? No this was a bad shoot and no matter what the cop did “good” previously he screwed the pouch on this one. The good does not “wash” the bad away. Now Bucky boy go back and polish your tin star and kiss you’re boyfriend good night.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        If, as some witnesses say, Brown was stepping to the officer after trying to get his gun, the cop was within his rights to shoot to kill. That’s a simple fact. That’s the law. You’re imagining a scenario that trying to read the cop’s mind.

                        The fact that Brown was a violent thug has bearing on the fact that I called him a violent thug.

                      • Raymond

                        Pearlbuck: Let me get this straight. YOU are explain the law? The person that is so ignorant that you wouldn’t know a law if it jumped up your butt? If Brown tried to get the gun then backed away ten feet and had his hands up, the fact that he tried to get the cops gun has NO BEARING on the issue. That is the law. In order for a cop to shoot someone he has to be in immediate danger of his life or someone else’s. Not twenty seconds after he was safe. That is manslaughter at the least. If there is a distance between the two persons that is greater than the length on their arms and the cop has a gun pointed there is no danger – again that is the law. You should read some law books if you can read.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        “If Brown tried to get the gun then backed away ten feet and had his hands up, the fact that he tried to get the cops gun has NO BEARING on the issue”

                        yeah, that’s right, you lying moron. As anyone who reads what I wrote can see–I DIDN’T DESCRIBE THAT SCENARIO. None of the credible witnesses are describing that, either. Even one of the witnesses who thinks it’s “murder” admits Brown was moving back towards the cop after the initial scuffle, and after the cop yelled “STOP!”

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Raymond. perhaps you are uniformed. A person as far as 21 ft away is a threat. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill, watch a few videos on this. A person closer than that is a very real threat. A man the size of brown who (if proved to be true) had already fought with the officer and tried to take his gun (like I said, if proven to be true). I f that person was 21 ft away or closer and charged the officer, the officer would have no way of knowing whether the man had pulled a knife or any other weapon. Its very easy to say he should have done this or that but when you have split seconds to decide, and possible live or die based on that decision,, well, you do the math.

                      • Raymond

                        Micheal: you are watching to much walker Texas ranger. A person that is twenty feet away and that is unarmed is no threat except to a pussy cop. If Brown had a weapon he would have used it while he was beating the shit out of the cop in the first place. But I can tell you from personal experiences that a man twenty feet away is not a threat when I have a gun in my hand. But I have never pulled the trigger until I was certain that the person had a weapon. Being a coward is not a defense for cops to abuse anymore.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Raymond, Did you even read the article or watch any of the video. The Tueller Drill is not a fantasy, its proven scientific fact. Validated by research and real world incidents. But of course facts mean little to you, that’s why you also disregard any of the facts in this case. You truly are a close minded individual. In addition did you happen to see (not that it would matter to you) where today the autopsy report indicates that Brown was very close to the officer when he was shot and that the wounds indicate he did not have his back turned or his hands up. Looks like your theory is going up in smoke. But you continue to disregard everything that doesn’t fit your agenda, it only makes you look even more ridiculous.

                      • Cindy Bishop

                        The ole’ 21 foot law….I wonder where Wilson came up with the boy being 20 ft. away….Hmmmm let me guess….Bring out the tape measure

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Cindy, no one said that Brown was 21 ft away. What was said here was that Brown was not close to the cop when he was shot (which looks like that is being disproved based on the autopsy results released today) and that even if Brown was at arms length he was not a threat to an armed police officer. I posted the link to the Tueller drill to show that people can and are a threat even at 21 ft. Don’t read what wasn’t said, nobody made any statements that Brown was 21 ft or any exact distance from Officer Wilson.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        I thought I replied to this once but I will again. NO ONE SAID BROWN WAS 21 ft away or any specified distance from the officer. What was said was that a man (any man) that was a distance away from someone or even at arms length apart was not a threat. I posted the tueller drill to show that in fact a person as far away as 21 feet is a legitimate threat and one closer than that even more so. Reading comprehension, its fundamental. Try reading the thread and seeing the context in which things are posted.

                      • Jim

                        oops raymond, you are wrong on that one. But wait aren’t you doing the same thing that you are lambasting Pearlbuck for, oh that’s right, you have the moral high ground to do that, so I guess your last name is Burr, how about show everyone, your law degree.

                      • 15 69 70

                        If he was ten feet away why did the coroner find physical evidence that he was shot at close range and that the evidence indicated that it was during a struggle? Powder burns don’t lie, and you don’t get them from being 10 feet away with your hands in the air. Grow Up and look at all the facts before insulting people and engaging in character assassination of others who don’t agree with your skewed thinking.

                      • Raymond

                        15 69 70: The coroner’s report said nothing about being close up as in hand to hand range and the powder burns were consistent with a shot being fired approximately six to ten feet away. However, as far as assassinating someone’s character you are completely safe, you first have to have some character before it is assassinated.

                      • Alice Jones

                        You “screwedthepooch” on that one. 100% wrong! You and pabb should get your heads together…and super glue them there!

                      • nebicnezzr

                        Forensic experts interviewed by the newspaper said the material indicated Brown’s hand was close to officer Darren Wilson’s weapon when Brown was shot Aug. 9. However, the autopsy noted there was no “powder stipple,” or residue often left by guns fired at close range.

                        If there was NO Gun Powder or stippling how is it that they come up with this unusual conclusion? What material are they referring to since there was no powder? They seem to speculate about as much as you do.The things you just mentioned as FACT has not been proven as FACT.

                      • pabb

                        and dr baden’s report specifically stated there weren’t any. perhaps now we know why the family wanted their own autopsy report. Besides the fact that it has never been denied that brown was close to the cruiser, the friend stated, before he knew there would be evidence to account for, that brown had been pulled into the cruiser.

                      • Alice Jones

                        Liar. He was NOT “pulled” and there WAS evidence of gun shot residue! You just hate whites too much to tell the truth.

                      • Alice Jones

                        That’s completely untrue. The evidence showed there WAS residue on his hand and sleeve.

                      • pabb

                        you are mixing points in time. the “struggle” at the cruiser, then brown moved away, then the cop shot at him from behind. when/if cop said stop, someone else will have to fit that in, i don’t know if/when that happened.

                      • Alice Jones

                        You and Raymond should get a room!

                      • Alice Jones

                        Now that forensics have proven the officer was telling the truth and the THUG was doing just what Wilson said, I hope you feel as stupid as you sound for swallowing all those lies the racists in Ferguson have spewed!

                      • Guest

                        Wait a minute a few comments ago you were giving eyewitness testimony now your saying ‘some witnesses say’ not only are you late picking up your sheet at triple KKK cleaners your telling two different stories on two different corners ,you are your meds pearl baby?

                      • Pearlbuck

                        What eyewitness testimony, moron?

                      • Sam Sissiorbell

                        Wait a minute a few comments ago you were giving eyewitness testimony
                        now your saying ‘some witnesses say’ not only are you late picking up
                        your sheet at triple KKK cleaners your telling two different stories on
                        two different corners are you off your meds pearl baby?

                      • nebicnezzr

                        If, as some witnesses say, Brown was stepping to the officer after trying to get his gun,

                        I see nothing in your post that suggest FACTS. But then when you have white privilege, who needs facts.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Again with the “white privilege” or your sheet is ready or KKK cleaners comments, You really are the racist here are you not. That’s what this is all about isn’t it, another excuse to blame whitey for everything wrong in the black mans world. NEWSFLASH MR nebicnezzr: Your RACE CARD IS OVER ITS LIMIT AND HAS BEEN DECLINED. You are trying to assuage your guilt by trying to place the blame onto someone else, well, that dog don’t hunt. You are the racist here, finding racism in anyone who doesn’t agree with you, blaming white privilege (whatever that is) for any and all problems in the black community. Refusing to assign blame for any of those problems where it belongs, in the black community itself. Bill Cosby ( a black man) and Col. West (also a black man) said as much. Cosby years ago and west more recently. GO watch ZONATION and listen to a black man tell you how it really is. But of course you wont. And you will accuse Honest Black men like Cosby and West of being Uncle Toms, more racist drivel. Fortunately most of America is waking up to this bull crap and is speaking up. You and your kind are in the minority and no matter how vocal you are the truth will eventually silence you all together.

                      • nebicnezzr

                        I’m not blaming “Whitey” for everything. Just the dead unarmed black youth.

                      • Alice Jones

                        Oh, the old “white privilege” card. It took you this long to play that one? You must realize you’re losing out to Michael’s facts so you’re desperately trying whatever racist tactic you can at this point. You lose.

                      • pabb

                        pearl, since brown had no record. what is your definition of thug? remember that the person in the store vid and brown were not wearing the same clothes…

                      • Alice Jones

                        Had no record? What color is the sun in your world? He not only had a record, he had a L O N G one from his juvenile days! And that’s as good a definition of a thug as you can get!

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Standing a good distance away so he was no threat huh? Perhaps a little education for you is in order, read this then watch some of the videos of it; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

                      • Brandon

                        Yeah, Screw the facts, to hell with justice, lets burn this mother down. yeah all cops are evil sent by satan and all that sh*t. who cares about all the physical evidence in the car and so what if that friend of Browns who saw everything I mean ran away and came back and lied. we’ve been held down by the man for far to long. To bad we don’t know the laws or how to vote or vote out people that don’t represent us. were stuck living in these impoverished community’s that we torch and are ruled over by these evil racist whites. BAH What a joke. you must live in a small world of perpetual hate and victim hood, very sad.

                      • Jim

                        well genius you got that wrong too, seems the federal investigation, you know the one ordered by holder and obama, now sides with the officers account, so go spew your drivel some where else, mental midget.

                      • Rick

                        YOU ARE SO FULL OF YOURSELF YOU NEED TO READ

                      • Pearlbuck

                        You need to read:

                        “The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform.”

                        –The New York Times

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        These people can’t handle the truth. They’re brain washed by their racist parents who were all good for nothing trying to live off the state and just be as lazy as possible. It’s laughable that they can get away with doing this every time they think they are being mistreated. Obey the fxcking law like a majority of us and everything will be okay. You doing this just shows the world what fxcking animals you really are. It’s plain and simple.

                      • McPhone

                        That blood on the gun…the interior door and the officer’s uniform corroborate what the first witness said. That the cop…while sitting in his car, pulled his gun…grabbed the kid by the collar and shot him. The cop did not hit him to draw blood….he shot him…then got out of the car…fired at least nine more shots…and murdered him. When the cop is finally found guilty, he will say he was sorry…just like Michael Dunn did after killing Jordan Davis.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        What planet do you think you are on, McFly ?

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Ha ha ha ha ha! Hilarious fiction! Just like that other asshole shot three bullets at the cops with a sandwich, right?

                        Have fun stomping your foot when the evidence prevents the cops from being indicted.

                      • Joe

                        You ignorant douchebag. The only person who said that Brown was trying to take Wilson’s gun was Wilson. Even if it was true, every witness has testified that Wilson shot Brown while Brown had his hands in the air (the universal sign of surrender). That makes it murder, not self defense.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        “Exactly what happened between Michael Brown and Officer Darren Wilson on August 9 is still unknown. Were Michael Brown’s hands in the air when he was killed, as has been widely claimed? Did Officer Wilson open fire while Brown was running away? Did he shoot while Brown’s back was turned? And did he continue the fight after Brown had indicated that he longer wanted any part of it? Per the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, one eyewitness says “no.”

                        One Canfield resident — who said he saw the killing of Brown from start to finish and talked to the grand jury recently — has given the Post-Dispatch an account with some key differences from previous public statements from other witnesses.

                        Among the recollections of the witness, who agreed to an interview on the condition that his name not be used, were:

                        • After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.

                        • Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.

                        • Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.”

                      • Rick

                        thank you for telling me about my typo you dumbass think youre so smart fking moron

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Yep.

                      • JORDAN

                        what evidence shows brown trying to take his gun i’d like to know

                      • Pearlbuck

                        The autopsy evidence–thumb wound, blood, etc.

                      • Alice Jones

                        The hand wounds, where they were placed and the residue evidence. Once you get the facts, you’ll have to come up with some other racist drivel so you won’t feel as idiotic as you sound right now.

                      • Cindy Bishop

                        Cop’s claim the ole’ he was reaching for my gun trick all the time and why there needs to be video cameras on these cops. When the cameras come out, the he was reaching claims will drop to almost nil !

                      • Pearlbuck

                        The evidence that’s coming out supports his version.

                      • Alice Jones

                        Now that the forensics have proven the officer was telling the truth, don’t you feel stupid? You certainly ought to!

                      • nebicnezzr

                        Being decorated means nothing when you were decorated by other racist cops for doing racist things.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Keep whining, loser.

                      • al sowins

                        Brown tried to take the officer’s gun, severely injured him, fled, then turned back and charged the officer. The punkass, dirty asses are fools who hate whites so much that they cannot accept the facts but delude themselves with nonevidenced fantasies.

                      • Raymond

                        How did Brown severely injure the cop? Getting bit ch slapped count as really hurt? Or just hurt feelings? What injuries did the cop have?

                      • al sowins

                        According to Personal Liberty Digest the officer suffered a broken eye socket plus cuts and bruises.

                      • Quila

                        That story of the broken eye socket was later found to be false.

                      • pabb

                        that was debunked almost as soon as it was started,

                      • pabb

                        yeah, if there were any pictures they would have been released a long time ago. they weren’t because they don’t exist.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        They disrespect authority…and look where it got Michael Brown…you figured these idiots would figure it out by now. Obey the police and you’ll be fine. If you run from them, you’re running for a reason…you did something wrong…if you attack a cop…yo, that’s on you, 9 times out of ten that police officer has the right to drop you like a bad habit. That bad habit was Michael Brown…Officer Wilson was attacked by this drug crazed maniac and had no other choice. It’s all BS about him having his hands up, that’s all BS lies they told the media.

                      • al sowins

                        According to some of the witneses, such is the case.Some had brown shot in the back, or while kneeling in the street. Brown’s companion told it like the officer did. We shall see.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        See how those “witnesses” lied? He was NEVER shot in the back. Forensics already proved all the Brown “witnesses” LIED. Denial is a bxtch.

                      • pabb

                        per white witnesses, he was shot at from behind. and one wound could have occurred from that angle, you need to know the anatomic chart used for medical documentation.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        Oh my god, they already disproved that lie of being shot in the back. Ge the facts of the story before you comment.

                      • JORDAN

                        So you were there to see brown not having his hands up, or did the media which you believe and then turn around and discredit tell you so. How do you know what happened

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        Forensics stupid. Look it up. All the so called “witnesses” lied to protect their own. Forensics doesn’t lie, deal with it, we all know you’re in denial but get ready for the next round of thugs rioting!

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        You keep telling yourself that he had his hands up…that’s just some made up slogan by the race-baiters you idiot. See how naive and stupid you are, Jordan? Forensics doesn’t lie and so far the only ones that lied were the “witnesses” for Michael Brown…sorry the truth hurts you fools.

                      • Alice Jones

                        Forensic evidence has proved the officer was telling the truth, idiot!

                      • Catfish

                        A man was standing a ways away recording it but he was to far for the video to capture it but his audio worked. This was a black man that said “damn he is going back at the cop” and this is when you hear the shoots. The man spoke in great detail! This is when other witnesses said Brown was yelling “shoot me go ahead shoot me” but they left out the fact that Brown was going back at Wilson. Browns hands may have been up but the fact that he was going back at Wilson with Wilson already hurt and knowing Brown was violent and had already tried to take his gun once was more than enough reasons for Wilson to shoot Brown to defend himself. Rather Wilson feared for his life or not we will never know but put yourself in Wilson’s shoes and ask yourself would you let this big guy who already assaulted and injured you get close enough to put his hands on you again and chance him getting ahold of the gun.

                      • al sowins

                        I was only in law enforcement for 42 years; probably not really long enough to get the hang of it, but your evaluation coincides with the facts available at present. In that context all officers are trained to put the Bad Guy down for keeps. It doesn’t make sense to wound a suspect then have him pull a gun and kill you. If officers used +p hollowpoints or .45acp one round wiould get the job done. Shooting watered down 9mm doesn’t always get it done.

                      • Catfish

                        I have watched this on TV from the start unlike most I guess or there wouldn’t be so many differences of opinion accept for that straight out haters that there is no accuse for who will never accept the facts or the truth. It’s disturbing to read a lot of these comments which just shows how many haters and low IQ’d people there is out there. I am not nor never have been in law enforcement but I have much respect for the law and those who enforce it. I guess if I was I would have a 45 instead of a 9mm and 380 but the 380 I bought for my wife and the price was right on my Glock Generation 3 which we target shoot with mainly but are repaired to use them for self defense if we was put in a situation if we had to.

                      • Catfish

                        al sowins I forgot to say in my first comment I was agreeing with you in a little more detail for some who many not have heard the audio that I believe will be key evidence in this trial for his acquittal and not directing the comment at you.

                      • pabb

                        watch the video of the scene, does that cop look severely injured to you?

                      • al sowins

                        The report said he suffered a broken eye socket; a fracture of the skull, not necessarily visible; probably determined by xrays.I do not have xray eyes. The facts so far revealed show that the officer acted properly. Those who hate whites, authority, police, will never accept the truth. They are busy with” lawless, laid and loaded’ and tend to be both stupid and ignorant. They are “pull-downers”: they pull down their britches and they try to pulldown everyone else, rather than to pull themselves up.Apparently what happened here was that a thug assaulted an officer, hit him, tried to take his gun, failed, ran off a few steps, then charged back at the officer and got himself shot dead. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

                      • pabb

                        brown didn’t strike the cop or anything else, at least with his hands. the orbital fx story was debunked almost as soon as it was started. there were no marks on brown’s body to indicate he was in a physical altercation.

                      • Donkey

                        racist

                      • Catfish

                        If you look at every comment section like this were the word racist is used 99% of the time the person who starts using this disgusting word first is a racist who has trouble accepting the truth or is loosing his argument and needs a crutch or way out.

                      • voice*of*reason

                        … and when Wilson is (properly) not prosecuted, I will sit back and watch Ferguson MO burn on my TV … again.

                      • Catfish

                        Sad that this is the way people react when they think their the judge and jury without knowing or even caring about the facts. You can bet the state of Mo. is getting areas ready to hold people who will be arrested when this happens because there will be hundreds of them and the jails will fill up fast. They need to put up tent cities all over the country were criminals are treated like criminals deserve to be treated. They have to many rights now when their locked up.

                      • voice*of*reason

                        I just hope the authorities have a plan to control The Media too. Funny how The Media sees violent protesters become “victims” when they refuse to stop destroying private property and refuse to disperse and the cops have to use force to enforce the law.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        They already proved your “poster child” for stupidity –> Michael Brown attacked the officer while he was still in the car. Video evidence from inside the vehicle is a bxtch. So, snap out of denial or stupidity here and stop saying this kid didn’t do nutin. Cus, brah, he did so something and he got killed for it. He’s lucky the little dude in the convenient store didn’t pump the lead into him. Worst way to learn a lesson. Dummy

                      • pabb

                        where is the video evidence? as far as i can remember, the PD had yet to install ANY cameras.

                      • fed up

                        yOUS NEEDS TO FOLLOW YER OWN ADVICE

                      • Jim

                        No you clown he put his hands on another person, you or brown have zero right to do that, so run along and stop justifying, criminal behavior, of course I bet you would have a much different opinion if the person he attacked was your family.

                      • just_me_1006

                        only problem is that the store owner says that brown wasn’t the person in the video. http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/

                      • Kevin M

                        So there was another 6’5″ 300lb black male wearing the same clothes as Michael Brown at the same time in the same neighborhood? The store owner doesn’t want to bring more problems on his small store that could force him to close.

                      • pabb

                        check out the two videos, the murder scene and the the store, the shorts are different colors.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        The scared shop owner said that, even though the guy with him admitted through his lawyer that Brown took the cigars? Wow, I wonder who isn’t telling the truth.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Scared for what? Mike Brown is dead so what does the owner need to be scared for? You’re trying to make it seem as if something will happen to the owner if he says it was Mike Brown.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Uh… Rioters, maybe! Rioters that loot and burn? I know, crazy idea.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Do you fee the same why about the whites who rioted this pass weekend in New Hampshire? All whites so your people can act like animals too but most of you will never admit it. What the hell is there to riot about at a damn pumpkin fest. By the way, I haven’t heard that broadcast too much cause ya’ll are too busy pointing fingers at others.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        I was asked what the shop owner might be afraid of. I answered. You can’t stick to one subject?

                      • Glammapuss West

                        And you cant own the shit your people do in the name of the law. I answered your question. Why would he be afraid?

                      • ursafan40

                        I feel the same way. The “students” and whoever else was wreaking havoc and causing destruction that night, are , in my estimation worse than the Ferguson protesters.
                        Let me clarify. Ferguson erupted IMO because a Black thug got himself shot by a White Cop

                        I have no grief over the loss of Mr. Brown or Vonderitt Myers. They did themselves in. And I can expect the worst element of Black society, though SMALL IN NUMBER, to react with violence. Unjustified, because they believe in the lie of the “Gentle Giant” and throwing sandwiches at Cops. They believe in the lie of the Evil White Folks who have nothing better to do than destroy their lives. They believe Liberals want to help them. They who won’t admit they are failing their children. But at least there was a history of mistreatment. For a long time , and yes still in SOME instances, Black Americans have had a grievance. But not that much anymore, and my White guilt disappeared a long time ago, because…….

                        MOST BLACK AMERICANS ARE GREAT PEOPLE! They don’t expect “special” treatment, just fair treatment and judgment by the content of their character, not the color of their skin.

                        HOWEVER! The White thugs in New Hampshire are WORSE. They don’t have any history of Abuse. They have a history of PRIVILEGE! They’ve been coddled and told they are the most precious things ever. They have been given chances, and avoided punishment because of their families standing in society. They have always been above the law if you could afford a good lawyer. They destroy, not out of any misguided sense of vengeance. They destroy because they can. They have before, and they will again. They destroy because they don’t know how to build, character, morals, self-discipline, or real emotional ties to other human beings…………But then , their parents failed them too.
                        AND MOST OF THE WHITE STUDENTS DID NOT RIOT.

                        Am I being too harsh, on either group that is very small segment of Americans?

                      • Glammapuss West

                        He didnt get himself shot. Darren Wilson told him from the beginning he was going to shoot him. If you dont like the community of people that you have to police, you shouldn’t be wearing a badge. Period. There are cases where people have done worse things and they were not gunned down. Wilson is racist and shouldn’t be allowed to serve on the police dept. Do you think there’s any reason it’s taking so long for the GJ to come back with a verdict? They are trying to find a way to let Wilson walk. It’s total and utter BS they his eye socket was severely injured because on the tape, you see no one trying to give him medical treatment, he’s just standing there looking goofy, not even once holding his eye. They are trying to cover up something as usual. I hope if he does walk that he never enjoys another day of peace in his life.

                      • ursafan40

                        Darren Wilson told him from the beginning? Are you making this stuff up as you go along?

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Mike Brown’s friend said in his statement that Darren Wilson grabbed Mike Brown and Mike Brown closed the door on Darren wilson and that when he said “I’ll shoot you”. Did you not hear him make that statement or were you too busy trying to justify that he deserve to die because he stole cigars?

                      • ursafan40

                        That’s what he said at first, but that’s not what he’s saying now.
                        But to answer your question. OK ,YES, he deserved to die because he committed battery on a man half his size , because he stole cigars and just for being a bully. The world is a better place because he is no longer occupies space above ground.

                        How’s that.

                        Were it I he tried to manhandle , I’d have gutted him like a fish and Officer Wilson never would have had to shoot him. Man 6’2″ 296 lbs attacks me, you bet I’m “in fear for my life”. That’s what the statute says, to justify self defense.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Since you feel that way maybe you should move to a country that have those kinds of practices. We have something in this country called due process. I hope you’re never in a situation where you need mercy or forgiveness. I really dont like or understand people who think like you and it usually takes something really bad to happen to you or those you love for you to have a change of heart. No one deserves murder because they steal cigarettes or pushes someone. They deserve to pay their debt to society and some jail time but not death. There are millions of people walking around who have done more heinous crimes, politicians and police included. I’ll bet you dont have the same feelings towards them though do you? I wont be responding to anymore of your comments either. I dont have to participate in every argument I’m invited to.

                      • ursafan40

                        1) I agree with you on one point Glammapuss, there are plenty of people who have gotten away with more heinous crimes , including Police and Politicians. They should be punished. Scum from all walks of life and all “levels” of society need to be held accountable.

                        2) If all Mr. Brown had done was shoplift, I would have said arrest and convict. But Michael Brown initiated the use of violence. Whoever initiates the use of FORCE, deserves whatever they get. If that’s Death, too bad. They started the use of force.
                        One punch from a man the size of Michael Brown could kill somebody.
                        And something “Bad” has happened to me and members of my family.
                        I’ve been beaten at gunpoint. Because I ‘Dissed a Black man who was stealing from my toolbox at work. I also had to listen to him go on about how his White stepfather beat him. And White people did this or that to him. So he took it all out on me.That Black man received 18 months probation and his buddy with the gun got , ready for this……NOTHING. Because I couldn’t prove he had a gun. And the Black D.A. , the Black A.D.A.s and Black probation officer never even bothered to interview the man sitting right next to me. I received 32 stitches to my face. Because with my friend sitting next to me I had no choice but to take the beating, or risk his life. If he wasn’t there, either myself, or the two attackers would have been dead.

                        3) SELF DEFENSE- If someone attacks me, am I really supposed to let them keep on beating me and “hope” he doesn’t kill me. Wait to report it to the police in the “hope” that justice will be served? I’ve been arrested 3 times , for DEFENDING myself. They all lived, because by law I have to stop when they are no longer a threat. Like when I broke a man’s kneecap, or another’s Trachea. The third, who jumped me from behind, I stabbed in the heart.
                        They all lived, unfortunately. ALL 3 GRAND JURIES found I was justified , returned a “No Bill of Indictment” and I was released. All 3 Grand Juries wanted charges filed against my attacker. But the D.A.s in 2 of those cases thought the attacker had suffered enough and probably “learned his lesson”.
                        I doubt it. In fact I know that one of my assailants was arrested, 2 years later, for assaulting a 67 year old Black man. That one got him jail time. If I had killed the SOB when I had the chance that poor 67 year old BLACK man would not have ended up in the hospital for months. But I had to stop because he couldn’t breathe and was on the ground, no longer a threat to me.

                        And the guy I stabbed was a WHITE thug. I’m an equal opportunity “Self Defender”.

                        You can yell at me or insult me all you want.
                        Lay a hand on me and I will do whatever I can to ensure the attack stops. SELF DEFENSE is the only justification for the use of Force.
                        Michael Brown used Force and his intimidating and DANGEROUS size to get what he wanted. He didn’t need a weapon, he was a weapon. I wish I believed in a Hell where he could rot for eternity.

                        So don’t answer me anymore. I sick of explaining to people who make excuses for criminals that we should never make excuses for criminals.
                        And if it had been I that strong armed a clerk, stole cigars and refused a Law Officers orders then tried to get his gun, my whole family would say I got what I deserved.

                        My parents raised 6 kids and taught us to not steal, not cheat, not lie and most especially NEVER SWING FIRST. Walk away if you can. But if you can’t , do whatever it takes to defend yourself.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Have you listened to the news in the last hour. A white kid just shot up a school in WA state. This happens all the time but I dont hear the outrage from whites about that. What they do is try and justify it by saying the kid had psychological issues. This is part of the reason there’s so much racial tension is because whites do not own the shit that they do but they constantly wanna point fingers at others.

                      • ursafan40

                        Anyone who shoots up a school obviously has “Psychological issues”.

                        But White people are not “defending” his actions. Where do you come up with this stuff?
                        Nobody is vilifying the Police for shooting him? Nobody is saying his Death was an overreaction. At least nobody I’ve seen yet.

                        He got what he deserved by opening fire in a crowded school, no justification for it.

                        How’s that.

                      • ursafan40

                        Wasn’t a White kid. He was Native American. A member of the Tulalip Tribe. He was voted a Freshman Homecoming Prince and was considered an all around popular guy with most people. However a student is quoted as saying “two weeks ago he got into a fight over something racist that was said”. Others have said it appeared he went after a group of people sitting at one particular table. Won’t ever really know what he was thinking. But he killed himself after doing his damage. That’s always psychotic behavior. Or maybe he was justified because of the treatment of Native Americans over the last few hundred years. The tribal leaders don’t understand it either. Their sorrow was quite obvious at a press conference this evening. Crazy is as crazy does.

                      • James beeny hill

                        OH NO YOU CALLED HIM A RACIST HE MUST BE EVIL! Saint Brown was jus’ a good’ ol boy! Brown was stealing them there cigars for his mama she be needin’ them or she die! He was defending himself from the elderly RACIST store owner tryin’ to kill his mama so he gently nudged him out of the way! He was jes’ givin ol Darren a big ol teddybear hug when evil racist Darren Wilson hit his own head while he was tryin’ to suckerpunch saint brown!

                        Give me a break man. You wanna know why the Grand jury is taking so long? It’s because they KNOW Darren wilson is innocent and they are AFRAID of Negros rioting. That is the entire situation. The govt has given Ferguson to the blacks and as a result ppl are being beaten robbed raped and ppl are afraid to leave there homes. If Ferguson was a White town EVERY WHITE would have been beaten and arrested the first couple nights and this would be over. Of course Whites would protest peacefully and await the courts decision so that would not be needed. Blacks in Ferguson are on video burning the American flag and screaming death to Whites. it’s absolutely insane to continue to complain when blacks are given so much leniency especially compared to Whites.
                        IMAGINE HUNDREDS OF WHITES BURNING FLAGS AND YELLING DEATH TO BLACKS! HOW LONG UNTIL FULL BLOWN SWAT TEAMS WOULD TEAR GAS THEM TASER THEM AND PROBABLY STRAIT UP SHOOT THEM WITH REAL BULLETS?
                        You people picking fights with White sport fans and burning flags. Your screwing up. Whites are getting tired of being called racist evil basteds while being victimized CONSTANTLY all while watching blacks get away with TOWN TAKEOVERS!
                        Suck a nut bro.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Listen, I’m not saying he’s a Saint but he didn’t deserve to be shot down that way either. Are you white people nuts? Did you do stupid things as a teenager? You weren’t killed for it, you got a chance to live and correct your wrong as he should have been able to do. The only time you people want mercy is when it comes to you and your own. How many white kids do kill there momas? It happens a lot . What he did that day in the store was stupid and childish but it did not deserve a death sentence. That doesn’t make me racist, it make me human.

                      • James beeny hill

                        Oh my! Where to begin?!
                        To say a 1 night drunken riot is comparable to the TAKEOVER of a small town is ridiculous in and of itself. Even if this statement had merit we could simply see what happened after the riot. The “rioters” quickly cleaned up there mess the next day and everything is over while Ferguson is still spiraling out of control to the chants of “Death to Whites”.

                        “The White thugs in New Hampshire are WORSE. They don’t have any history of Abuse.”

                        Who or what is “They”? Do you mean the rioters which you have no knowledge of or White people? You know nothing. Every White there had to score higher than there minority counterparts to make it in and many likely have to work to pay for there education. As we all know if you pass high school as a minority you WILL have a college willing to accept you SOMEWHERE. If your GPA as a black is embarrassingly low no worries you can go to a black only-BLACKS ONLY COLLEGE! Damn White privilege.

                        ” They’ve been coddled and told they are the most precious things ever.
                        They have been given chances, and avoided punishment because of their
                        families standing in society.”

                        What are you talking about? This statement is just as ridiculous as your others but if we really want to talk about this we should just agree that Whites are actually targeted by racist liberals and the media. Billionaire and Millionaire Whites have been being destroyed in the media for saying or doing something wrong. To say every WHITE person that got drunk and out of control were coddled and avoided punishment is insane. White people must tiptoe or they will never ever make it to college. The exact OPPOSITE of minorities which are forgiven and given excuses about there childhood lies or not!

                        “They have always been above the law if you could afford a good lawyer.
                        They destroy, not out of any misguided sense of vengeance. They destroy
                        because they can. They have before, and they will again. They destroy
                        because they don’t know how to build, character, morals,
                        self-discipline, or real emotional ties to other human beings”
                        So all these kids are rich? Considering most of the people in this country that are poor ARE WHITE i call bullsh*t.
                        Character, morals, self-discipline and emotional ties? Really? The entire world has copied the European way of life for the most part and everything you listed are European traits and Asian to an extent. What an anti-White hateful person you are.
                        The laughable coverage of this pumpkin festival just shows the media tries so hard to “PRoVE” Whites can be just as savage as minorities. The only thing is the media must censor minority crime and showcase every White crime in an attempt to balance things. White people like you are killing our country.
                        Your ancestors blood sweat and tears will be for nothing because you don’t want to “be racist” and need to make excuses for non Whites.

                      • ursafan40

                        I said the rioters in Ferguson were “UN-justified”. No excuses were offered. In fact I pretty much excoriated the protesters for their belief in the fallacies prompting the riots.

                        You are correct to chastise me for the assumption that ALL of the White thugs in New Hampshire come from “privileged” families. I did cross the line there. But having spent a few years on an upper tier college campus, I became pretty sick of the ‘tudes from the Biffs, Chads and Muffies of this world. Hard to feel sorry for anyone moaning about their “rough life” while they’re driving Porsches and Beemers to school.
                        I did say “MOST OF THE WHITE STUDENTS DID NOT RIOT”.

                        And it WASN’T THE RIOTERS THAT CLEANED UP, it was the students who didn’t riot and wanted to show that they were not all thugs and morons.

                        Perhaps your reading comprehension needs a bit of work.

                        Neither group had a right to riot. Protest, yes. Destroy property, NO! Both are WRONG!
                        And AS I SAID, both sets of rioters are a SMALL group. They do not represent the majority of students at Keene, or any University. Rioters also do not represent the majority of Blacks in Ferguson, or elsewhere in this country.

                        And I can’t count the number of times I’ve been called a “Racist”
                        because I expect ALL people to behave in a civilized manner. I’ve been called on the carpet and had my job threatened by people of color because they took exception to something I said. I have no “White Guilt”.

                        Lastly, since when are character, morals and self-discipline European
                        traits?
                        Socialism is destroying those societies, and our fearless leader
                        and his Liberal Democrat followers would like to turn us into a
                        Socialist country based on the “European model”. I find it disgusting
                        myself. As for my politics? One of my brothers calls me ” a little right of Hitler”. Jokingly ……. I think.

                        So ….. go suck an egg James

                      • JORDAN

                        White people rioted when Joe Paterno was fired. They had no remorse for the victims, because there precious coach was fired. Rot in Hell Joe Paterno, you knew what happened and did nothing so says the FBI report. All because know one cares about sexually abused victims that are black or brown

                      • James beeny hill

                        Hey pretty good all you had to do was go back 3 or 4 years to find a situation that almost barely relates to the 2 1/2 month takeover of Ferguson. I would cite minority examples but guess what there are WAY TO MANY TO LIST.
                        100 White women raped daily by black men. ONE HUNDRED A DAY. White males rape black females ZERO TIMES on average a year. The highest years White males rape 10 black females a year. It would take Whites 10 extremely high years to rape as many black women as Black males do IN ONE DAY! 30,000+ rapes a year. Your all so lucky you are used and protected by the media and government. Once your usefulness has expired you will offer little to no resistance in being euthanized. The only people that protect you are Whites. The rest of the world kills your kind. Have a good day.

                      • David

                        That is why we need AR-15s with 40 round clips– to stop the rioters

                      • Glammapuss West

                        You mean like the ones in New Hampshire last weekend?

                      • white USA

                        His store will probably burn down several times by accident of course no one will have been near it or within 20 miles it will just burst into flames. Have you not been reading the stories of what may happen if Wilson is not convicted.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Wilson needs to be convicted. How the hell can you fear for your life when someone is running away from you. Please explain that one to me?

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        Oh stop, no one was running away. That’s some crazy story you heard from those idiots in Ferguson.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Everyone saw him running away Ghetto baby. What planet are you on?

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        Forensics already proved the Officer was telling the truth from the get-go unlike those so called “witnesses” … come on now…I know you’re not that stupid, are you? Wait, never mind…you probably are.

                      • pabb

                        no, what has been released doesn’t prove the cop’s story. it may well prove the friends story as much as the cop’s. in other word’s it can be spun either way.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Well finally some logic. You are right, what has been released does not prove or disprove any version of what happened so why are some like you so willing to believe one side over another? Why are some of you so willing to label Officer Wilson a murderer and not label Brown as a thug and the aggressor? Explain that to me please. While it is fine to tend to lean one way or another before all the evidence comes to light some folks here don’t care what it may show, they wont believe anything that does not support the story they have already concocted in the head. Now why is that, does not logic and any quest for truth require that all the facts be known before one convicts someone of a crime such as murder? Yet that’s what many here have already done, without knowing anything really about this. Most of what has been released is contradictory at best and far from conclusive by any means.

                      • Ghetto Baby

                        Maybe in your mind buddy but not anyone else’s.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Yeah because we know police always tell the truth from the beginning. So everyone else is lying and Darren Wilson was telling the truth right? Whatever! Just like his eye socket was severely damaged too. Why didn’t we hear about his eye until a week later. The truth is because it never happened. You can call me stupid all you want,, I dont know you so it doesn’t define me.

                      • Guest

                        Your momma needs to be convicted…for birthing you and you for your stupidity.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        You probably already killed your moma. That’s another thing white kids are known for doing. Stabbing their momas 30 times because she wouldn’t buy them the GI Joe with the Kung Foo grip.

                      • ursafan40

                        I don’t think he’s “trying” to say that. I believe that’s exactly what he’s saying. Something will happen to the owner if he says it was Michael Brown.
                        Brown’s partner in crime has already admitted it was them in the video !

                      • Glammapuss West

                        BS. If it’s him, it’s him. Listen if the owner was that fearful, he wouldn’t have a business in that area, you can believe that. I wouldn’t work or own a business in an area that I am fearful of the community for no amount of money.

                      • ursafan40

                        He doesn’t have to be afraid of “the Community”. Just the few pieces of human garbage that have already looted and vandalized in the “name of Justice”.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        You act as if you dont understand english or you simply want to look past the truth. It was stated countless times that the looters weren’t from the area. I guess you just want it to be regardless of what has been said.

                      • ursafan40

                        No darling apparently you can’t understand. Yes there were looters from outside Ferguson. But not all of them. And even the looters were a small minority in the crowd protesting.
                        With the atmosphere in Ferguson today, ready to lynch Officer Wilson guilty or not, they don’t have to burn him out. They just have to not patronize his store.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        Serves them right. It’s time for change there starting with the officials

                      • ursafan40

                        I’m sorry, I don’t understand. “Serves them right”? who does it serve right?
                        And yes , there should be more Black representation in both the Police Force and in the local government considering the majority of Ferguson is Black.

                        But they have two problems with the Police Force
                        1) Not enough “QUALIFIED” candidates are applying.
                        2) I watched a 14 year old kid say he wouldn’t apply to be a Police Officer because they are seen as the oppressors. Well if more Black kid’s would study , pass the exams and join the Police Force, that could be turned around, don’t you think?
                        3) VOTE for heaven’s sake. The majority of people in Ferguson are BLACK, but White’s keep getting elected. VOTE VOTE !!!! And get yourselves a local government that represents the community.

                        Just be careful you don’t elect charlatans like Sharpton. Those people only care about keeping Black people feeling oppressed so they can foment trouble, play the race card and MAKE MONEY! They don’t care about Black Americans. And White Liberal Democrats are just as bad.

                      • Glammapuss West

                        It serves the police force right. There’s no way there should be Three black officers in a city that predominately black neighborhood. No way! but if the people dont cry out about it, it will continue to be that way. I hope this is a wake up call to the black residents of Ferguson.

                      • Alice Jones

                        No, the reports said they weren’t ALL from Ferguson. Some were from other areas, but there was a very large contingency from Ferguson itself.

                      • Alice Jones

                        “Just a few pieces?” That wasn’t a cocktail party with a few guests out there in the streets!

                      • ursafan40

                        Point taken. Few was the wrong word. I’m trying not to disparage all Blacks in Ferguson. Or the White protestors. But it truly is a very small portion of the Ferguson population doing the damage. That may change when the Grand Jury returns a No Bill, as I hope and expect they will.

                      • guest

                        Ebola is gonna eat your dumb áss…

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XprJ2uVU8UI

                      • Tao 2004

                        first of all, that site is negro owned and biased. second you have to be a complete fool to not see both of them in the same damn clothes from the robbery later on when his idiot friend said he had his hands in err interview and when Michael was laying on the ground dead ass up with his red hat nearby. you are definitely a biased idiot.

                      • ursafan40

                        So it was another 6’2″ 296 Lb 18 year old that was wearing clothes that look exactly like what Michael Brown was wearing just 10 minutes later? Now I get it /S

                      • ROACH000

                        Violently, and physically attacked the store clerk? Shut up, you are a moron just burrying yourself. If he violently and physically attacked the store clerk, why didn’t the store clerk call the cops and report that? He didn’t because it didn’t happen. It amazes me you got all that from a bullshit video clip that could easily be edited.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Because he was scared, you fucking idiot. Scared of violent, savage rioters. You even deny video evidence. You’ve lost all credibility.

                      • ROACH000

                        I don’t deny it you racist imbecile. But too exaggerate all the extra bs you dreamed up is incredible. The clerk never called police, a customer did. Because he was scared? You lost all credibility.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        Yeah, moron, because they didn’t want retaliation from the thugs in the community. I saw what I saw, idiot. And I exaggerated NOTHING! That guy in the shop should have shot him and saved us all a lot of trouble.

                      • Raymond

                        Perly bucky boy: You exaggerate your own worth. What trouble has it caused you? Again you exaggerate your importance everywhere. If you would take your head out of your butt you might be able to see more clearly.

                      • Pearlbuck

                        I know telling the truth is arrogant, in your book. Too fucking bad.

                      • Raymond

                        Pearlbuck: You have no idea what the truth is. However, your reply is a perfect response from a backwoods country hillbilly like yourself. You have no clue about anything, ever. However, now I realize that your are most probably mentally challenged and I will let you and your diluted world go on.

                      • just a human

                        This is the first time i have ever responded to any writings from anyone, but i can tell you havn’t figured out…none of you will change this situation or the world. …but if all of you were able to have enough of a real life of your own, enough that you didn’t have time to type rotten things to others or instead just have a beer and a fattening snack…or mabey some sex…mabey do someone you don’t know a favor…think of something you would realy like to do and start working on doing it. ..not becouse you saw it on tv, but because you thought of it on your own. …if more people did things like that maybe some of this stuff wouldn’t happen in the first place. …just a thought

                      • Raymond

                        HUMAN: Do you realize just how ignorant you sound? What a load of crap you spout. Put down the colored looking glass and view the real world or have your handlers do it for you. While what you suggest sounds good and does happen it is not the basis of a rational or sound life. It is a fairy tale land. And if a person were to do that of which you preach they would surely not survive their twentieth birthday. How pitiful for you.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        No Raymond, it would be you who no clue what the truth is. You proved that by your comments that a man at arms length or more is no threat, by completely ignoring any and all witness statements / evidence or anything else that does not fit your narrative of what you wish to be true. Not what is or is not true. You have already convinced yourself (regardless of any facts or evidence) that Wilson is guilty of murder and that Brown had no part in causing his own death. You make excuses for the thuggish behavior of Mr Brown, and will not allow as to how his behavior in the store mere minutes before might speak to his state of mind and how he may have responded to Officer Wilson during what might have otherwise been a very routine encounter. Instead you try to paint a picture that says Officer Wilson went to work that day intending to kill a black man and was looking for any excuse to do so. And Brown was just the unlucky victim. Now does that scenario seem more likely than the one that has brown who has already committed strong armed robbery and is walking down the street has a cop pull up to him for whatever reason and Brown thinks he is about to be busted for the aforementioned robbery and decides to fight the officer rather than possibly be arrested. ( Whether Officer Wilson knew about the robbery or not is not relavant, its Mr Browns state of mind at the time that is.) What is the truth, I don’t know and you sure don’t either, the difference is that most of us are willing to allow all the evidence to come out before we convict either of the two men, Brown or Wilson. You and others however have already decided that regardless of what the evidence is or may be, Wilson is guilty and Brown is innocent. Now ask yourself why is that? Could it be that you are allowing your own prejudices to overrule logic or common sense ? Perhaps you want it to be true so badly that you refuse to see anything that might prove it to be otherwise. That is a dangerous way to view things. One should have all the facts before making a decision in any aspect of life.

                      • Raymond

                        It’s not Brown’s state of mind but eh state of mind of the man the pulled the trigger. From the cop’s point of view. Why he felt threatened and why he pulled the trigger. That is the only question to ask. Cops are cowards plain and simple. Wilson went to work like he does everyday. But that day he ran across someone that wasn’t scared of a cop. Wilson could not use his badge as a shield and it came down to a man against another man. Wilson was lost! He didn’t know how to handle someone that would not cower at the sight of his badge. His fear grabbed him by the throat and he panicked and pulled the trigger many times and as usual he missed with most of them. That is fear, shear terror of being slapped, being man-handled and humiliated. Cops can’t stand that so they kill.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Oh Raymond, you are SOOOO MACHO, all this talk about Wilson being afraid of being slapped or man handled. That must mean that you are ok with someone, anyone going around and slapping or manhandling someone else, perhaps you like doing that yourself. Is that correct? Maybe you can get away with that in some places but in others its called assault or assault and battery and if the person doing the slapping and man handling is big enough (say 6’4 and 300 lbs) the person being slapped and man handled could have a reasonable fear for his life, thus justifying the use of deadly force. If someone wants to play the thug role be prepared for the consequences, which could be deadly. I am amazed at how you race baiters are perfectly ok with someone putting their hands on someone else in a violent manner. Why is that? And then when it goes bad for the man handler and the person being man handled defends himself you get all up in arms. Just like when that guy charged the Police with a knife (caught on video) you race baiters were all yelling he should have shot him in the leg. Folks like that watch to much tv. It has skewed your perception of reality.

                      • Raymond

                        Michael: I do not think it is right or good for people to man handle others. The point is that there are other ways to handle the situation without the use of a gun. Second if the cop is that scared while being a cop maybe he should not be a cop. If he can’t handle it he should quit. I care nothing for Brown or that he was killed. It the actions of cops that think they should start shooting early instead of using training first and rational thinking. Cops are trained how to restrain a man, even a wild man and shooting them is not on the list of the first ten things to do. There is nothing racist about what I have said and only a coward like you would substitute ignorance for facts. You lose again pal like always. Your ignorance of real life fights is astoundingly sheltered and wrong. I don’t give a rat’s butt about race. I judge on the actions only. We are all men and women and that’s all to me. If a person is hurting another I will take them out, regardless of their skin color and it doesn’t have be a death sentence.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Raymond, finally something you and I can probably agree on. I also believe that at times there are better ways to handle something than by the use of a gun. I also do think that in many case Police do have a shoot first mentality and that is a very bad thing. I do not however think that was the case in this instance. As for you being a racist perhaps I should have used the term Bigot, after all you did refer to a poster as a Backwoods country Hillbilly. Or perhaps you are just an elitist. Regardless, you initiated the comments about wether you are a bigot or racist not me. I am hardly a coward for [pointing that out. As for my knowledge about real life fights you are waaaay off base. I lived on the streets for years following my deployment overseas and was a heavy drinker and a fighter, a street fighter. I only gave up that lifestyle when I met a good woman, got a job and began boxing as an amateur. Again, you make an assumption about me that is incorrect. You state that if a person is hurting another you will take them out. Well at what point do you make that decision, if and I say if Brown was / had assaulted the Officer and appeared to be coming back for more would you take him out, as you put it. I myself even with my training if I was / had been assaulted by someone Browns size and thought he was coming back to finish the job I would not hesitate to shoot him. Self preservation is a powerful thing, it can override most common sense and logic. My whole point in all the discussions I have had here is to try to point out that no one here knows what really happened, everyones guess is just that, a guess and to convict Officer Wilson or to indict Mr Brown is wrong on both sides until all the evidence is in. Unfortunately, most here don’t care about evidence, they only care about furthering an agenda or making excuses for either mans behavior. Any sane , logical, compassionate human being would be willing to give the benefit of the doubt to both men until the evidence is in. The only thing in this whole equation that is not in question is the fact that Brown committed string arm robbery. It is ok for anyone to form an opinion, an opinion, but most here don’t have that. they think they know all they need to know . That in my opinion is wrong. Its bad enough one man lost his life, but to possibly ruin another mans life by labeling him a murderer before all the facts are known and all the evidence is released is inexcusable and the product of either racist, bigoted or simple minds.

                      • Raymond

                        Michael: Again you are confused. I don’t care what you think. You are stupid. You have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re rational doesn’t hold water. I still think you are from broke back mountain. Your IQ has to be multiplied by a factor of ten to get into double digits. Get the picture ball licker? Your only training is in licking scrotums. The only street fights you have been in is on the play grounds on grade schools as an adult. Compared to you a Chihuahua would be an elitist. Bye, bye now Michelle I have no more time for you.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        If you have no idea what I am talking about then how can you say that my rational does not hold water. To make that statement would imply that you understood what I was talking about. Which is it? Cant have it both ways. Talk about logic making no sense, yours most assurdly doesn’t. As for the name calling, no bother. Been called worse by better men than you. Of course to find a better man than you isn’t difficult is it Raymond.

                      • Michael Wilson

                        Raymond, perhaps you can tell me why people like you and Keith and others here resort to calling people names if they don’t agree with you. Especially when they prove you to be incorrect or as having made a mistake in your assumptions. Now why is that? Let me tell you my theory: Its because you hope to change the subject, to divert attention from the fact that you have been proven wrong. Its a very common trait amongst liberals, when they are losing an argument or are proven to be incorrect they immediately start name calling. And so what if he is a “Backwoods country Hillbilly” as you put it. Does that make him less credible than you? Does that make his arguments less valid? His interpretation of events less logical? If you believe that it does then you are a bigot and a racist. If you believe that then you are an elitist, you think that you are smarter and better than anyone else by virtue of where you may live. That in itself shows you to be the one that is mentally challenged as you fail to see how hypocritical that is.