US Stalling Release Of Thousands Of Torture Photos Worse Than Abu Ghraib

The ACLU believes one photo depicts “the body of Muhamad Husain Kadir, an Iraqi farmer, shot dead at point-blank range by an American soldier while handcuffed.”
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    WASHINGTON — Next month, the U.S. government will return to court again to prevent the release of thousands of photos of military personnel torturing detainees at Abu Ghraib and other sites in Iraq and Afghanistan that have been described as more horrific than the infamous Abu Ghraib torture photos.

    It’s the latest round in a protracted legal battle that began in 2004 when the American Civil Liberties Union filed a suit demanding the release of some 2,000 photographs which were withheld by the government after it released the infamous images of Abu Ghraib, the Iraqi prison where U.S. soldiers tortured prisoners.

    One photo is said to depict a mock execution, while another reportedly shows the body of a farmer shot who was by an American soldier while he was handcuffed.


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    The U.S. government has repeatedly argued that the images, which are believed to depict torture at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq and Afghanistan at the hands of American soldiers, were so severely disturbing that their release would make U.S. forces vulnerable to retaliatory attack. In April, Eliza Relman, a legal assistant to the ACLU’s National Security Project, rejected this argument:

    “To allow the government to suppress evidence of abuse is to invite a recurrence of that abuse in the future.”

    The Bush and Obama administrations have both used a series of legal stratagems to block the photos’ release, including the Protected National Security Documents Act (PNSDA), a 2009 law that allows the secretary of defense to conceal any image for up to three years. Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates invoked the statute in 2009 to conceal all 2,000 images, and his successor, Leon Panetta, renewed the ban in 2012.

    In March, Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein, a federal judge from the U.S. District Court in Manhattan ordered the release of all 2,000 images, giving the government 60 days to release the photos or file an appeal.

    Faced with the prospect of further delays, the ACLU compiled a spreadsheet of everything it knows about the photographs. Relman highlighted a few of the horrors believed to be contained in the collection:

    “One photo shows an Iraqi teenager bound and standing in the headlights of a truck immediately after his mock execution, staged by U.S. soldiers. Another shows a group of soldiers forcing a detainee to look at pictures of lingerie-clad women. Another depicts the body of Muhamad Husain Kadir, an Iraqi farmer, shot dead at point-blank range by an American soldier while handcuffed.”

    The government filed an appeal on June 9, and oral arguments are scheduled to begin on Jan. 15 at the U.S. 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals in New York. In the appeal, the government argued that the PNSDA allows the secretary of defense to overrule Freedom of Information Act requests and even court orders like those issued by Judge Hellerstein. In the ACLU’s Aug. 6 response, they argue that this represents a drastically overbroad interpretation of the law:

    “This Court should now reject DOD’s extreme argument, which fundamentally misunderstands the role of the judiciary in FOIA cases. While the PNSDA allows DOD to withhold certain photographs under Exemption 3 to FOIA, it nowhere seeks to eliminate, limit or even alter the power of Courts to exercise the power of judicial review that is explicit in FOIA.”

    Jameel Jaffer, the deputy legal director at the ACLU and the director of the ACLU’s Center for Democracy, concurred in a January editorial, arguing that the government cannot be allowed to use terrorism as an excuse to hide unethical and illegal behavior:

    “To accept the argument, at least in the absence of a specific, credible threat directed against specific people, is to give the government far-reaching power to suppress evidence of its own misconduct. And the worse the misconduct, the stronger would be the government’s argument for suppression.”

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      • I’d rather be the guy forced to look at lingerie pictures than the guy shot in the head

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      • Jay Dove

        Glad someone is following this story.. nowhere to be found anywhere else

      • dou44

        War crimes will never be tried in courts that are controlled by the politicians who command the perpetrators.

      • usa is a deeply sick country .. has lost all higher vision .. of course these photos should be released .. and atonement made .. that is how the world works

      • The people can clean themselves from this mess only by dissolving the #USA as a state!

      • Abelli

        Special Report: An inmate died, and no one was punished. A 2010 prison death captured on video fits a troubling pattern. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/14/nyregion/clinton-correctional-facility-inmate-brutality.html?emc=edit_na_20151213&nlid=47854566&ref=headline&_r=0

        Proverb: Everyone should put his own house in order first. Obviously unknown to some governors distributing Democratic Culture by war or/and playing globocop.

      • James Wherry

        The purpose of such photos would be? The guilty have already been punished.

        If this is just to provide fodder for terrorists who hate our service members and try to SMEAR the crimes of the few on the faces of the rest of the service members who identified the crime, stopped it, prosecuted it, and helped punish it, forget it.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Liar! Thes photos are just of the ones thrown under the bus. The purpose of this article is to make people aware of how the savage Empire-ZioNazi program feeds on the purposeful generation of Islamophobia by vicious Empire-ZioNazi bigots like you.

          Just look at all your venomously bigoted comments here. You are an excellent illustration of the sickness pervading American and Jewish consciousness.

          • James Wherry

            These photos make our people sympathetic to Arabs and Muslims. The American reaction was “recoil in horror,” and “deep disgust/shame and embarassment.” The matter is done. The only excuse you have is to do what you have done, during this entire thread – excoriate ALL Soldiers for the crimes of a few.

            Tecumseh, none of the MP Commnanders knew about this, participated in it, directed it, or encouraged it. Graner’s comment in the New York Times in 2004 was that an UNKNOWN Chief Warrent Officer from Military Intelligence came to him and said, “I don’t know what you are doing, but whatever you are doing keep it up: it’s working.”

            Unfortunately, that’s not much to go on. 1. Graner couldn’t name the Chief. If I were him, I’d scream it from the rooftops. 2.) Graner’s quote even said, ‘we don’t know what you are doing.’ If true, it’d be malarkey. We had an incident down at an-Nasyryia in the Corps Holding Area with a Soldier allegedly using unnecessary roughness. Know who came to me about it? A friend of mine who was a CPT like me. He was an MI interrogator and the man who was the accuser told HIM what had been said and what was going on. Incidentaly, it was one of the doctors who helped our Soldiers who had been captured get free. In other words, prisoners TALK.

            If you have some evidence of involvment by the 205th MI BDE that is more solid than Graner’s vague statements, please go right ahead and turn it over to CID. Their number’s in the book. Trying and sentencing Graner and his cronies was the only way we could coerce them to give up more information. They never did, so the case is closed. The 205th MI BDE Commander was fired, I am happy to note. VERY HAPPY. I have my suspicions, but I have nothing more than that.

            I was the legal advisor for detainee ops from March, 2003 to the beginning of August, 2003 fo V Corps. Your statements are the pathetic, lying allegations of somoene who never served and someone who never went. I am not asking you, I am telling you.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Why shouldn’t people be sympathetic to Arabs and Muslims? We already have enough sick, disgusting bigots like you preaching hate for the Empire ZioNazi complex?

              Who cares about what kind of sheepsheet you want to sell us about the higher-ups not knowing? Isn’t it extremely well documented that approval and justification for torture emanated from the very top? Your bleating whine for understanding for war criminals is as disgusting as this:

              “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

              “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

              “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

              Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

              • James Wherry

                How do we know that Tecumseh lies? He hits the “post” button.

                http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/02/15/muslim-israeli-woman-jews-do-not-rape-arabs-arab-men-do/#

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  Haw, haw, haw!

                  Let’s get genuine.

                  How do you know that the Empire-ZioNazi troll is lying? We just look up some history and start laughing at how obvious his lies are.

                  • James Wherry

                    The weblink in the previous post shows MUSLIM women stating clearly that Jewish men do not rape, but Muslim men do.

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      No it doesn’t. It just shows purported Muslim women parroting ZioNazi calumny.

                      Sorry, your nonsensical deflection doesn’t get away from the fact that you savage European ZioNazis invaded their country and brutally stole it.

                      • James Wherry

                        There has been no deflection, except by you: you failed to remain on the topic of this webpage, preferring to bring in Israel, when it had nothing to do with the topic. Follow your own advice, you fool.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I didn’t deflect at all. I simply attacked your sick hate peddling at the very root.

                        • James Wherry

                          But you failed to make a dent. You call that an “attack,” when you justify the rape of women.

                          Naz!

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          H,ha, the desperate ZioNzi tries to calumniate me with his own sickness. He’s yammering foolishness and belligerently because I see through his bovious ZioNazi frauds from a ZioNazi propaganda site.

                          Ha,ha, look at the sick ZioNazi yammer and spew! What calumny is he going to bellow next?

                        • James Wherry

                          I didn’t ASK you if you were justifying this evil: I’m telling you. Every time you make your stupid argument that the Jews made the Palestinian Arabs “lose their religion,” that IS what you are doing.
                          Naz!

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Yes, I agree that you are telling us that you have gone stark, raving mad.

                          Poor, poor ZioNazi bigot.

                          Whine, whine, whine!

                        • James Wherry

                          You make light of the rape victims of the Palestinian Arabs.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          No, I make light of your silly insistence that the Arab victims were as guilty as the invader ZioNazi thugs for whom there is much more documentation of atrocities available.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I agree that it is impossible to make a dent in your demented bigotry and delusion.

                          Poor, poor ZioNazi.

                          Whine, whine, whine.

                        • James Wherry

                          Because you have no evidence.
                          You Plain and simple Naz!

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          That is a very good job of demonstrating yourself demented again. How could you miss all the evidence I’ve provided if you weren’t thoroughly demented.

                          Please yammer again. I am entertained.

              • James Wherry

                U.S. citizens SHOULD be sympathetic of Arabs and Muslims. What they should not do is take this isolated incident and SMEAR it across the faces of the hundreds of thousands of Soldiers who served with distinction and honor in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

                But you’ve made my point well: you try and use the ALLEGED actions of two ALLEGED Haganah Soldiers to condemn a nation. You’re doing the same thing with the crimes of 11 individuals and the 1.5 million American service members who served there.

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  There was no distinction or honor serving as idiotic gulls in the rape of Iraq. American behavior was atrocious.

                  Re-read the text by the Zionist Historian. There was a lot more going on than those two rapes you you stupidly think the Zionist assault of Plan Dalet was limited to.

                  Not my fault that you are such a ZioNazi liar than you can’t even accept the work of a Zionist working off Zionist records. But you are establishing that you are a totally oblivious, militaristic, reactionary bigot.

                • Jenny Haskell

                  Umm, it was more than 11 individuals! Stories abound of US soldiers shooting dogs, sheep, donkeys and farmers in their fields for sport and target practice. Stories abound of entire families being wiped out because they got too close to a paranoid American convoy. Stories abound of American soldiers kicking in the doors of Iraqi families in the middle of the night and terrorizing and robbing them, and cuffing and hooding all men of military age and hauling them away for torture. And it wasn’t 1.5 million American service members! Many americans were counted over and over as they volunteered for one tour after another, because they missed the action. Many more stories abound, of soldiers who left their wives and kids and volunteered to go back time after time to “be with their buddys”, and were later killed. GOOD RIDDANCE! None of them belonged there. And many enjoyed the killing and mayhem. And those who survived are now killing again on our local police departments! And most of the PTSD and suicides are the result of the overwhelming guilt for what they did and the realization of what they have become. There is no military draft in the United Snakes. Every American soldier in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, and all the other countries where we are involved, signed up to go to a foreign country and kill people who have done us no harm!

                  • James Wherry

                    Allegations, insinuations and outright fabrications. Got it. I’ve seen the lies told about Camp Cropper and know them first hand to be lies. Terrorists released from prison are told to lie and immediately open up a second front against us through the propaganda of websites like this.

                    All allegations were investigated by the U.S. military. What we could prove, we punished. But those of you in the hate groups who make up the peace movement such as the Anti-Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) presume US “guilty until proven innocent.”

                    What offends me most is not that you think we are “evil.” No, the hate-filled Left knew the Power of Love would never solve anything, and so they turned to the Power of Hatred, and in order to stir up Hatred, they had to Demonize us who are Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines, even if they had to lie about us because like most cults, “the temporary lie is justified by the greater truth.”

                    No, the real problem is that you think we’re STUPID. You have no idea how much WE are aware that such actions as you describe will only hurt us by making host nation nationals turn away from us and refuse to give INTEL to us – and they did quite a bit, by the way.

                    We got so serious about it, we went too far in discipline. I had a client, a few months ago, who in 2009, was out on a 14-day patrol along the border with Syria and they come across a village where there is only one “military age male.” As the Sergeant interrogates the man – who was helping smuggle weapons to jihadists – the interpreters firmly tells him the man is lying. Finally, after a long time, my client hauls off and smacks him in the back of the head.

                    He is IMMEDIATELY restrained by the other U.S. Soldiers, and reported up. The Brigade Commander gives him an Article 15, fines him a half month;s pay for two months, gives him extra duties and of course, removes him from the patrols, since he’d obviously had enough.

                    I read the man’s NCOER’s, before and after. I don’t care who you are: you never did all of the things this man did for his country. Perhaps if you and the Left had manned up and removed Saddam Hussein, 30 years ago and stopped whining about a “plutocracy,” he wouldn’t have had to be there.

                    Kindly recall what Steven Ambrose told us: there were 50 U.S. Soldiers in WWII who committed rape against German women. We tried them – and hung them – because we did not want them back. Did that make WWII a crime?

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      I’m not at all surprised that you were on the cover-up squad.

                      • James Wherry

                        Now you lie, again. Prosecuting soldiers is not a cover up

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I’m talking about the ones you didn’t prosecute. But perhaps you were just a patsy like you claim to be for the evil ZioNazis.

                        • James Wherry

                          Find me evidence. You are too stupid to understand that any Person is Innocent until proven guilty. Same goes for Soldiers. I have to have evidence and “Hnsaid/she said” never works out.

                          Do I believe guilty Soldiers escaped justice?! Sure. So do guilty civilians.

                          What I know for sure is that all those charged wee turned in by other Soldiers- you know, the ones you despise? I also knownIraqi courts REFUSED to prosecute other Arabs no matter how much evidence they had.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Nope, you are guilty until proven innocent, unless you work for the ruling thugs that sent the clowns into Iraq and employ dildos like you.

                          The Iraqi courts? So what? Why should they cooperate with the invading alien thugs at least as guilty as those before the court?

                          The problem with you sick bigot, militaristic imperialists that that you think that you’re special.

                        • James Wherry

                          Yet you hold us “guilty until proven guilty.”

                          The Iraqi courts www those of 2008-2009, whose Shi’ie governments welcomed and permitted us to stay. Murder if US Soldiers was murder of their allies.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Wow, we’ve overrun them with murderous thugs, and you claim that your torturing creeps were welcomed? No wonder you delusional enough to be a fervent ZioNazi!

                        • James Wherry

                          You forget your own admission: you said the Jews of Hebron were helped by their own neighbors. Fine: most were Ashkenazi Jews, the “invading Jews” you hate?

                          Sounds like there were peaceful relations until the jihadists came along to rape and murder.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Go ahead, believe any insanity that you want. No logic can stop you.

                          But let’s look at the larger context as related in Wikipedia, so that no one will be gulled by your absurd rants.

                          The city of Hebron holds special significance in Islam and Judaism, it being the site of the Tomb of the Patriarchs. In 1929, the population numbered around 20,000, the majority of whom were Muslim Arabs. A small community of around 700 Jews, consisting of a few dozen inside Hebron and a majority that rented houses from Arab proprietors on the outskirts,[17][18] also lived there. The Jewish community was divided between recent Ashkenazi immigrants and an older population of descendants of Sephardim who had inhabited the town for centuries. Ashkenazi Jews had been established in the town for at least a century.[19] The two communities, Sephardim and Ashkenazi, maintained separate schools, worshipped in separate synagogues, and did not intermarry. The Sephardim were Arab-speakers, wore Arab-dress and were well-integrated, whereas many of the Ashkenazi community were yeshiva students who
                          maintained ‘foreign’ ways, and had difficulties and misunderstandings with the Arab population.[20] Since the Balfour Declaration of 1917, tensions had been growing between the Arab and Jewish communities in Palestine.[21] The Muslim community of Hebron had a reputation for being highly conservative in religion. Though Jews had suffered numerous vexations in the past, and this hostility was to take an anti-Zionist turn after the Balfour Declaration.[22] generally, a peaceful relationship existed between both communities.[23] During the riots of 1920 and 1921, Hebron’s Jews had been spared the violence that broke out elsewhere.[24]

                          In mid-August 1929, hundreds of Jewish nationalists marched to the Western Wall in Jerusalem shouting slogans such as The Wall is Ours and raising the Jewish national flag.[19] Rumours spread that Jewish youths had also attacked Arabs and had cursed Muhammad.[25][26] Following an inflammatory sermon the next day, hundreds of Muslims converged on the Western Wall, burning prayer books and injuring the beadle. The rioting soon spread to the Jewish commercial area of town[27][28] and the next day, August 17, a young Jew was stabbed to death.[29] The authorities failed to quell the violence. On Friday, August 23, inflamed by rumors that Jews were planning to attack al-Aqsa Mosque, Arabs started to attack Jews in the Old City of Jerusalem. The first murders of the day took place when two or three Arabs passing by the Jewish Quarter of Mea Shearim were assassinated.[30] Rumours that Jews had massacred Arabs in Jerusalem arrived in Hebron by that evening.[17] Hillel Cohen frames his recent narrative of the incident in terms of the murder of the Jaffa Awan family by a Jewish police constable called Simcha Hinkis.[16]

                          Note that the invader ZioNazis created the situation by blaring their evil intent of the conquest of Palestine.

                          Note also that it was the British who removed the Jews, not the Arabs.

                        • James Wherry

                          1. Fine: Jewish youth proclaimed the wall is their’s. Palestiani youth said the same about it, only to deny the Jews their heritage. It’s much like the Cathilics did to the Soth Americans, stealing their temples. Who is in the right or wrong?

                          2. Then you posted “tumors” about Jewish youths making evil statements about Muhammad. Isn’t that how all of the “blasphemy” case in Pakistan start? Even when oriven false, innocent Christians are murdered.

                          Blame your own cult for using violence to stop Jewish freedom of speech. Or start endorsing attacks on Muslims for what some Muslims say and do.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Raising the Jewish national flag of evil conquest and ethnic cleansing? You are berzerk!

                          After all the evil you’ve yammered about Mohammad and Muslims, why wouldn’t we expect the other evil ZioNazis to be doing it back then. You’ve securely demonstrated by your own behavior those were no mere rumors that were being talked about.

                          Thank you for absolving me of all blame, since I don’t belong to any cult like the ZioNazi berzerker James Wheery.

                        • James Wherry

                          As opposed to the Green Flag of the Crescent Moon and Jihadi conquest? Now you truly are stupid and not worth writing to.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Those are only excuses employed by demented Empire-ZioNazi fiends, like Jame Whackycreep, to excuse savage invasions of other people.

                        • dou44

                          What were they going to do since your so-called “us” had full- blown occupation military bases there since 2003? LOL. You are rich beyond words with arrogance and hubris.

                        • dou44

                          What Iraq does in their courts is their business. What was perpetrated against Iraq by the US in 2003 was a full blown war crime. You may take the side of immorality if you wish.

                        • James Wherry

                          At the time the acts were perpetrated, we were long since past occupiers and simply the guests of the Iraqi government at their request. The young men and women that were murdered died trying to defend and protect Shi’ites, Christians and even Sun’ni’s from the violence of those who murdered Iraqis to force THEM to submit to their sick, twisted vision of Jihadist, Kharajite Islam.

                          * If our Soldiers cannot look to their courts for justice and you will not defend their rights to justice, what right do you have to demand justice from us? If you want peace, work for jutice.

                          * If our Soldiers will not receive justice, do you have any standing to demand that the suspects ever make it to those Courts? You simply relish the thought of murdered Americans and want to see it happen. They are your heroes.

                          Your country may be a dictatorship, but mine is not, it is a democracy, and no one many like you has the right to be judge and jurty of whether the U.S. broke the law or committed a war crime. The rest of us have a say. We have determined that YOU are a War Criminal because of your murderous sanctions regime FOR WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT DID NOT EXIST AND THAT YOU ABSOLUTELY KNEW DID NOT EXIST. My only conclusion is that you or your family are connected to the Oil for Fraud program and were profiting off of it and that you wanted your sanctions to continue.

                        • dou44

                          My country is the same as yours Einstein. The US is/ was the judge and jury for hundreds of thousands of dead and the several million displaced people from invading Iraq in 2003. You are so blinded by the fascist military brainwashing you have received you can’t even begin examine the immorality of the physical crimes that were perpetrated against Iraq by the Bush II Cabal.

                          My “heroes” will never be any of the inhumanes that had anything to do with illegally invading Iraq. You may make that pronouncement, but you speak for yourself. Nowhere in the US Constitution does it state that I have to cheer on that which is carried out for profits and odious schemes of occupation and control. Saddam was allegedly tried and executed for killing Kurdish civilians, but the American Cabal that perpetrated the lie- infested Iraq invasion and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis will never even stand trial. That is the reality.

                        • James Wherry

                          If you are an American, you have condemned yourself in other posts.

                          There never hundreds of thousands of dead from the invasion.

                        • dou44

                          Bush admitted 30,000 were killed in the US onslaught because The KLancet ahd ststaed 50,000 killed. Sorry James, there is no way there were not that many casualties since 2003.

                          http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS

                          Your sense of superiority is really something. I have not condemned myself by speaking against criminal acts and dysfunctional behavior. This isn’t N a z i Germany- well, yet anyway. Are you inferring something else?

                        • dou44

                          Bush admitted 30,000 were killed in onslaught. The Lancet had stated that 50,000 had died. Sorry James, there is no way there have not been that many Iraqi casualties since 2003.

                          http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS

                          Your sense of superiority is really something. I have not “condemned” myself by speaking against criminal and dysfunctional behavior. This isn’t N a z i Germany- well, yet anyway. Are you inferring something else with that statement?

                        • James Wherry

                          You told us that Bush admitted he had committed a crime. Ignore your Red Herrings, and tell us when he said he committed a crime. That’s what you told us you would deliver.

                        • dou44

                          No, reread the first sentence. Bush admitted in the interview 30,000 were killed by the invasion up to that point. ( interview from 12/2005 )

                        • dou44

                          Here is a snippet of Christmas at a school in the Syrian dictatorship you said exists. Santa isn’t even allowed in US schools for the most part. Orwell’s boot on the face is really people such as you.

                          http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/12/damascus-celebrates-christmas-photos.html

                      • dou44
                    • dou44

                      James: You know the boot on the face, because you again side with abusive fascist criminals. Only 11 people were convicted although the policy of abuse of prisoners was systemic and widespread.
                      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/apr/22/abu-ghraib-iraq-torture-senate

                      • James Wherry

                        Did you ACTUALLY read the Guardian’s article?!?

                        1. It quoted SPC Charles Graner’s LAWYER declaring his client’s position.

                        2. The lawyer lied: he claimed that the fact there were abuses in other isolated areas meant that Graner was “following orders.” It does not. He then claimed that, if Graner was following orders, the charges would have had to be dismissed.

                        Am I ACTUALLY spending today explaining how the Geneva Conventions work to the Far Left and taking THEIR position of 40 years ago?!? The argument that “I was just following orders” has never been accepted under the Geneva Conventions. When LT Callais and his NCO were prosecuted, we emphaised that’s not acceptable to US, either.

                        3. As to the other incidents, we had 2 of them at Camp Cropper and prosecuted both of them, but they didn’t involve dog collars, torture or perverted pics. Example: One of our detainees scuffled with an MP and tried to push him into barbed wire. Our MP punched him several times.

                        What happened, next? 1. The other MPs immediately stopped him. 2. He was given non-judicial punishment (Loss of half pay for 2 months which hurts your family and additional duties which hurts YOU); 3. He was busted 2 ranks from SSG to SPC; and 4. He was permanently separated from the detainee mission.

                        The problem? The detainee was hand-cuffed. The correct response was to place or push the detainee to the ground until he stopped struggling and resisting.

                        Is that “torture?” Nah: I’d go with “abuse.” However, both are crimes, whatever you call it. The “typical” abuse we can expect to see in any detainee situation is “excessive use of force,” and that’s what we saw.

                        Our battalion commander specifically intended to make an example out of anyone who committed these crimes. He was an 18-year MP who had served as a 2LT during the first Gulf War in detainee operations in Kuwait, after the war. He had worked extensively with the ICRC elsewhere,and he knew the drill. So did his men, so they had NO excuses. No one failed to teach SPC Graner the right’s and wrong’s, and his protestations of innocence were a load of crock.

                        • dou44

                          ” Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat, today said that abuse of detainees held by the US was systematic.

                          “In my judgement, the report represents a condemnation of both the Bush administration’s interrogation policies and of senior administration officials who attempted to shift the blame for abuse such as that seen at Abu Ghraib, Guantánamo Bay and Afghanistan to low-ranking soldiers,” Levin said.

                          US justice department legal memoranda released this week by Barack Obama show top attorneys in the justice department approved nudity and the deprivation of sleep and food as interrogation techniques.”

                          Systemic and a war crime.

                        • James Wherry

                          You’ve just lost all credibility. SEN Levin’s statement was a political attack on the administraon, so it wasn’t credible to begin with. More to the point, he’s already been dishonest. In the 2004 Senate hearings, while speaking to MG Taguba, he claimed that there must have been higher-up’s who helped because, “Where else could they have gotten a digital camera?”

                          Apparently the man had never been to Best Buy. That’s where my mother bought me the camera to send.

                        • dou44

                          Sure James, and the Obama Admin. attempting to further suppress the ugly evidence as to the medieval torture and murder that took place somehow fits with Levin’s political attack as both are so-called “Democrats”. You can’t bring yourself to admit that your former employer is protecting a sadistic command structure from being fully exposed. The loss of credibility is the fact that you side with suppressing the evidence.

                        • James Wherry

                          1. President Obama is my current employer in both my Reserve and civilian jobs

                          2. I have never voted fo him. He commands my loyalty as an officer, but I do not permit my loyatly to supersede my loyalty to my client: the United States Army. That client is entitled to my harh and honest criticism, when it is due. In this case, I do not agree with the alegation that there was a wide-spread pattern or practice f abus of detainees in Iraq, at least duing the times I was in Iraq 2003 and again in 2008-2009 and I highy doubt it a other times as well.

                          3. Levin, however, was attacking BUSH and that as a political attack by a Democrat to a REPUBLICAN. Even you Syrans know that.

                          I have nothing to hide or suppress. The idiot moves by Soldiers detaiees were isolated and uncoordinated and were CONTRARY to everything that I and others taught and trained.

                        • dou44

                          Then if there are nothing but a few bad apples as you say, let’s see the archived photos, eh? The government saved the s a d o- m a s o c h i s t i c p o r n for some reason. Let’s see what these American patriots in uniform were doing.

                        • James Wherry

                          There have always been only a few bad apples. That has not stopped you and your’s from trying to score political points by using us as your tools and smearing the crimes of a few over the faces of hundreds of thousands of service members. What’s to stop you now from doing the same thing. You claim to be against ISIL, yet you want to propagandize for them.

                          The better question: if these Soldiers were already punished and it’s old news, why bring it up, again?

                        • dou44

                          Because it’s old news so who would care? Unless it’s more evil and inhumane than the other photos.

                    • dou44

                      Steven Ambrose wrote historical novels.

                      • James Wherry

                        And Dave Weber is a great SciFi writer. Not sure what either observation has to do with this article.

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    James Wheery is a honking, militaristic bigot who will never understand that all invading armies pour out atrocities.

                  • James Wherry

                    Tecumseh is about to say something stupid

              • James Wherry

                So this is how you justified the rape of Jewish girls and women by Palestinian Arabs?

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  Nope, but this yammer of yours is how you flail at justifying the vile ZioNazi invasion and the flood of crimes against humanity accompanying it.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          This video makes it easy to understand how the military gets honking bit clucks like you.

          http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/environment-1/buying-and-selling-climate-hysteria.html

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        We need to recognize that when we have the vampires of the Empire and ZioNazis directing our priorities, the gullible and the obedient will be directed into vast war crimes like Plan Dalet and Iraqi Freedom.

        • James Wherry

          Plan Dalet never happened thanks to the invading Arab Armies who over-took the idea and made it happen.

          Operation Iraqi Freedom was not a war crime. The U.N. said to take “all measures” necessary to ensure that WMD was eliminated from Iraq. Saddam disobeyed UN Security Council Resolutions about 36 times. On his wire-taped phone messages, he made it seem as if he had WMD to ward off the Iranians. He got what he deserved.

          I hasten to add that the neo-cons, with as much contempt as I have for them, were deceived by the greatest double agent of the past half century who promised us he hated the Iranian government, but had lots of information to share with us about Iraq. He even tried to run for President of Iraq. He is now comfortably retired to Tehran and living on an Iranian government pension. Can you guess the name?

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            We already know that you are a pervert working to excuse the vast historical war crimes of the Empire-ZioNazi complex. You look like an utter fool.

            Video showing why you are a military man.

            http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/environment-1/buying-and-selling-climate-hysteria.html

            • James Wherry

              While you ignore the historical crimes of Islam. . .

              Mr. Pot, I am not really interested in your opinions, however I cannot be your kettle: I’ve already given my own criticisms of Israel and even agree with BDS under the right circumstances.

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                You are stupid. The vicious ZioNazi assault on the people of Palestine had nothing to do with Islam.

                Israel history since 1878 the truth about…
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydXJ1J_ZY0&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                1st film made in Palestine by Freres Lumieres
                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEvqUmdth8&index=2&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                • James Wherry

                  No, because there was no assault by Jews on Muslims. BUT the savage, vicious assault on Jews by Palestinian Arabs WAS driven by Islam.

                  Muslims
                  teaching children to murder Jews:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57Q8K5TmivM

                  Muslims teaching children to hate:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Rtx04TYPo

                  Palestinians teach Muslim Supremacy:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY0zE64thJ4

                  Palestinians vow world domination:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDD_Y8Fgxk

                  • TecumsehUnfaced
                    • James Wherry

                      As you said in 1919, and 1929, and 1936, and 1948. You blame the victims. Your whole argument is really “blame the Jews.” You use the same cut and past arguments because it’s all you have.

                      No, no one can “make” you evil, or “make” you hate them. The Buddha, Jesus and Gandhi were pretty clear about that.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Actually, even you were able to open your eyes between your furious ZioNazi tantrums you would have been able to see that I’ve added quite a few new tons of evidence that refutes all of your debased rantings. But then you never looked at any of the old stuff. Like all ZioNazis, your purpose is not to expose truth, but to hide, pervert, and fog it.

                        All those events you complain about only happened because of ZioNazi predatory assaults against the people of Palestine, including their savage, evil stealing of the Palestinians right to self determination at 1919 peace conference.

                        Like all ZioNazi thugs, you whine, whine, whine whenever there is any resistance to the vicious assaults you launch on other people. You are sickening and need clinical help.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Oh yes, here’s an example of how the ZioNazis feel about the teachings of Buddha, Jesus, and Gandi:

                          “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                          “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                          “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                          Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Note that May 14, 1948, was a glorious day for the evil ZioNazis, when they proudly proclaimed that they were ripping a thug state called “Israel” from the entrails of the Palestinian people they had been assaulting for over 60 years, while whining all the time.

                          Whine, Wherry, whine!

                        • James Wherry

                          As opposed to the looting of the Jewish homes in the Jewish Quarter by Palestinian Arabs?

                          Maybe the Palestinian Arabs FORCED the Jews to “lose thier religion” with their own atrocities against the Jews. That’s YOUR argument, after all.

                          I see Joseph’s tomb was just damaged by Palestinian Arabs (though they claim they revere Joseph as a prophet, and that it was really the tomb of a beloved Sheikh from 150 years ago). Does you list of crimes also include the desecration of Jewish Holy Sites by Palestinian Arabs? http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1948to1967_holysites.php

                          How about all of the other former Palestinian Arab nations who looted, raped and murdered the Jews in their nations in 1947-48 and in 1967? Did you include those?

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Like a typical ZioNazi, you are whining about all the resistance to the vicious ZioNazi assault on Palestine. You vile invading European monsters destroyed the peace of Palestine, and then whine about the suffering you cause to others. But unfortunately for you, history has recorded otherwise.

                          Here is how the viciously invading European ZioNazis destroyed Palestine, and the second one is how Palestine was before the ZioNazis destroyed it.

                          Israel history since 1878 the truth about…
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydXJ1J_ZY0&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                          1st film made in Palestine by Freres Lumieres
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEvqUmdth8&index=2&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                        • James Wherry

                          Looting a home of a Jew and throwing them out of their homes is not “resistence.” I suppose the rape of Jews was also “resistence.”

                          Your standard tactic is to “blame the victims,” the Jews. Since you argue that the Jews made the Muslims “lose their religion,” so can I. I

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          That particular kind of stuff is just imitating the customs the utterly evil European ZioNazi invaders introduced into Palestine. Now you whine again, about the consequences of ZioNazi atrocities in Palestine? Even pretend that the poor Arab Jews suffered because of the other Arabs, not because the evil ZioNazi doers of atrocities infused all the Arabs with fear? Oh, you are so sick, my evil ZioNazi boy!

                        • Israhell has no Right to Exist. We demand Right of Return Now ~ hopefully we will Dismantle and Vaporize all of areas that the Zio-Trash Jooz have settled and fouled the land. Land that ALL belongs to the Palestinians.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          It will be impossible to recover Arab Palestine as it once was. The Zionists bulldozed over 600 Arab villages and towns. But I image that the people driven away by the Zionists will be happy to recover the homes built by the Zionists over their old ones.

                          I would think the super rich Zionists, like the Rothschilds, the Warburgs, the Adelsons, the Sabans, and the Singers, would have the money to buy the erstwhile Israelis tiny houses all over the world, like those in Treehugger.com.

                        • James Wherry

                          Oh, yes, like your KKK and Naz! co-travelers, “they’re going to come and our women.” I suppose the rape of Jews was also “resistence.”

                          Fortunately, Arab women tell the truth about Jewish men and Arab men.
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4rBlRpMZhE

                          Muslim men sexually harass Jewish women as “resistence.”
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDqWGtykYNE

                          But then in fairness, the majority of rapies in Oslo are now being done by Muslim men.

                          https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtJcujxYNwib81WcLWzCIu.bvZx4?p=Muslim+women+speak+out+about+Jewish+men+and+Muslim+men&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-901&fp=1

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Ha, ha, the sickie Whirrie can only produce a ZioNazi propaganda video to counter the documentation provided by a Zionist historian working from Zionist records. Note that one of the main criticisms of Benny Morris is that he almost never used Arab sources.

                          Besides, even if an Egyptian lawyer did recommend acting like ZioNazis, that’s not where as bad as what the evil ZioNaizis actually did.

                        • James Wherry

                          My posts are facts and they are evidence. Refute them or go home.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Your posts are at best twisted facts, if not false narratives and outright lies.

                          ZioNazis don’t rape? That’s how they created their evil thugs state sodomized out of the Palestinian people they savagely invaded and assaulted.

                          Finally, if you had been paying attention, you would have have recognized that all your “facts” come pre-refuted.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          That’s just another ZioNazi agent spewing a duplicitous monologue with no supporting documentation.

                          Remember, you savage European ZioNazis invaded the Arab Palestinians because you are fanatic bigots, not they you.

                        • James Wherry

                          You have no respect for womens’ rights. Apparently, Jewish women can be sexually assaulted and raped and it means nothing to you. But let there be a rumor or allegation of two Haganah Soldiers committing evil, it becomes justification to hate Israel and want it destroyed. You’re a phoney, a fraud and a fake: you’re a Zaz! infesting this website with your lies, deceits, and half truths.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Now you hallucinate in order to justify the vile behavior of the ZioNazi thugs with silly, stupid accusations against me and the ZioNist historian. Benny Morris, who wrote working from Zionist records (certainly not a rumor)

                          “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                          “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                          “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                          Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        • James Wherry

                          As opposed to the looting, raping and murdering of the Jews by the Palestinian Arabs?

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          You’re claiming that Palestinians Arabs imitated the evil thug invader ZioNazis? I’m sure some of them did. After all, the savage invading European ZioNazi thugs gave lots of good lessons on evil behavior.

                        • James Wherry

                          Come now: you claim the Arab Muslims were here FIRST. Must have learned it from them.

                          But here’s the real truth from Muslim women: Jews don’t rape us, Arab Muslim men do.

                          http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/02/15/muslim-israeli-woman-jews-do-not-rape-arabs-arab-men-do/#

                        • Yo, Zio-Trash: try reading “The Idea of Israel” or the “Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” by Ilan Pappe… a Jew from Israel. ~ i’m weary of Wherry ~ you’re a HasbaRAT sick Ziobot-Trash ~

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          He can’t. He claims that Pappe is a “self-hating” Jew. He even trashes the Zionist historian Benny Morris for reporting from Zionist-Israeli records about the nakba.

                        • James Wherry

                          Ilan Pappe? Isn’t he the one who lied and misquoted documents? Why should I read him?

                        • James Wherry
                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Where? All I see is you gorging your nasty little mind on obvious ZioNazi plants, trying to deflect desperately from the crimes against humanity by the ZioNazi thugs that Benny Morris describes. Read the whole book. You will find a tons more.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          How does anything reported from Oslo reflect on the fact that all the trouble in Palestine has been caused by the invasion of the savage Zionazi thugs who do stuff like this?

                          “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                          “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                          “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                          Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        • James Wherry

                          So you try and use these ALLEGATIONS to deflect from the evil of the Palestinian Arabs?

                          “From the contemporary Hebrew press it appears that the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre. Four-fifths of the victims were Ashkenazi Jews, though some had deep roots in the town, yet a dozen Jews of eastern origin, Sephardim and Maghrebi, were also killed.[34] Gershon Ben-Zion, for example, the Beit Hadassah Clinic pharmacist, a cripple who had served both Jews and Arabs for 4 decades, was killed together with his family: his daughter was raped and then murdered, and his wife’s hands were cut off.[19]”

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

                        • James Wherry

                          So THIS is how you justify the rape of Jews by Palestinian Arabs. It’s “resistence” to rape a child or destroy the body of a woman.
                          “From the contemporary Hebrew press it appears that the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre. Four-fifths of the victims were Ashkenazi Jews, though some had deep roots in the town, yet a dozen Jews of eastern origin, Sephardim and Maghrebi, were also killed.[34] Gershon Ben-Zion, for example, the Beit Hadassah Clinic pharmacist, a cripple who had served both Jews and Arabs for 4 decades, was killed together with his family: his daughter was raped and then murdered, and his wife’s hands were cut off.[19]”

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

                        • James Wherry

                          Awwww: you’re just angry that Mein Kampf was never the best seller you hoped it would be.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Nope, all the ZioNazis bought it for the kind of ideas that their evil perverted sort like.

                          ZioNazis like you always accuse others of loving it as much as they did.

                        • James Wherry

                          I don’t know where a whacked out Naz! like you thinks I threw a tantrum or any of the other fake claims you made against me. You’re little more than “trivial pursuit.”

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I never need to make fake claims against you. You condemen yourself furiously without any help from me or anybody else.

                        • James Wherry

                          You mistake me for that man in the mirror: your conversation is dull and I’ve already decided which posts of your’ I can ignore because they are pathetic and make you look like the brainless fool at the nursing home that I know you are.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          No, I mistake you for a half wit, which is giving you credit for at least double the wit you really have.

                      • All Israeli’s are illegal occupiers Terrorists and Parasites; All Palestinians have the duty to purge and evict the illegal slime that has invaded Palestine ~ all the Jooozz can go back where they came from ~ for sure they do not belong in Palestine (save the ones there before 1893) ~ Israhell is nothing but a terrible Cancer that must be destroyed!

                        • James Wherry

                          The Israelis are either long-term indigent, or they are immigrants who should have been welcomed, just as the Syrians are being welcomed in Europe and America. You like Trump.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Actually, the European ZioNazi thugs are not refugees like the Syrians. They came as international gangsters with the intent of conquest and transferring out forcibly the native population. Why should creatures of such malevolent intent be welcomed?

                        • James Wherry

                          Between 1885 and 1919, the Czar himself drove 2 million Jews out of Russia. Whether immigrants or refugees the Jews were either indigenous or lawful immigrants.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Again you demonstrate your raving stupidity by not understanding that is irrelevant to the vast criminality of the vicious ZioNazi invasion of Palestine and does not justify it one bit.

                          But you may keep howling for our mutual amusement.

                        • James Wherry

                          Again, the only way you can seem even faintly credible is to “blame the Jews.” This was also your game during WWII, when your founder, Hitler used it.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          No, I’m not “blaming the Jews”. I’m blaming the ZioNazi thugs who savagely invaded Palestine while calling themselves Jews, thereby evilly defaming Judaism for the horrible crimes done by the ZioNazis simply because they were thugs.

                        • James Wherry

                          There is no such thing: these were Jews who felt a compelling need to come home for safety. No, they did not need to crouch before Muslim masters like you. By hey had the right to self-determination, the same as the Muslims.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          If the evil European ZioNazi thugs thought Palestine was their home, then they were obviously as stupidly deluded as you thinking that I am Muslim. One does not need to be Muslim to be appalled at the mountain of ZioNazi crimes against humanity, as many good, decent people are, including Jewish ones.

                        • James Wherry

                          You defend Islam, pretend that 13 Muslim countries don’t make it illegal to be Atheists and hen you condemn Jews for being “ungodly.” Babes on that evidence, I conclude you are a liar and a Muslim.

                          Yes, Israel was the historic and religious homeboy the Jews, as the Muslim prophet said.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I don’t defend Islam. I just don’t defend the rape of another people by alien thugs like the European ZioNazis and the U.S. Empire armies.

                          See how delusional you are?Palestine was for much longer and much more recently the home of the people of Palestine, not the European ZioNazi thugs who have stolen bigotry enfeebled mind, as I’ve demonstrated a long time ago.

                          You can conclude anything you want. Everything out of you is demented, insane.

                        • James Wherry

                          Liar. In thread after thread you have done so.

                          You are not an atheist a all, but you conceal your religious bigotry and Jew-hatred by pretending to be an Atheist.

                          I’ve presented the evidence. Let others judge your howling lies.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Yes, you’ve done a good job presenting evidence that you are utterly bezerk, a helpless and mindless slave to the ZioNazis.

                        • Jenny Haskell

                          “all the Jooozz can go back where they came from”
                          Well…….., maybe not. They have been kicked out of every country on the planet, and for good reason. No other group of people is so universally hated all over the world! Must be a reason.

                        • James Wherry

                          The Jews were indeed expelled from the other former Ottoman Empire nations, looted and had their property taken. Ironically, this was not “Zionists,” but the ones who said, “No thanks” we’ve lived in our lands since before the Arabs came and we’ll stay. Sounds like the Arab Muslims made their own mess.

                          But as an Apostolic Pentecostal, I REMEMBER the “Death Marches” where the Muslims marched the Christians out into the desert and watched them die. The Iranians did this, so did the Syrians and so did the Turks.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Don’t go spinning us that old ZioNazi con game again. Without the vile ZioNazi assault on Palestine and the utterly evil manipulations of the thug leader, Ben-Gurion, and his hideous “Million” plan, the Arab Jews would never have been dragooned into Palestine to serve the evil ZioNazi invaders.

                          http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

                          http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

                          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

                          http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                          I supply this documentation that I’ve supplied many times for those with an operating intelligence, not for the raving, mendacious ideologue James Wheery.

                        • James Wherry

                          1. The Jews of the area lived there for 500 years, since they helped Suleiman drive the Crusaders out. Who are you to say they should not stay?

                          2. The lawful government of the area was not “Palestine, it was the Ottoman Empire who let Jews emigrate there. There was no “vicious, savage Zionist assault,” as you and I know perfect well that the Ottoman Empire Muslims would have done what they did to 2 million Armenian Christians. These Jews from 1880-1919 were also lawful residents and you are without authority and so are the Palestinian Arabs to dispute THEIR government.

                          3. The British became the government body of the area and permitted some immigration. The League of Nations set up the mandate territory and the United Nations ratified it.

                          The Israelis “occupy” their own land.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Before the evil invasion of the European ZioNazi thugs, the Arab Jews, Christians, Muslims, and many other sects lived together much more peaceably than the Europeans from who the ZioNazi thugs arose.

                        • James Wherry

                          Non-Muslims were brutalized by Muslims. Your post is fake propaganda.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          And Muslims were brutalized by non-Muslims. But when the foully predatory European ZioNazis arrived, all that got much worse, because of the vast evil of conduct the ZioNazis brought with them. This I’ve already heavily documented.

                    • James Wherry

                      Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was right: no one “makes” you evil. That you do to yourself.

                      Once again, Tecumseh’s “strategy:” blame the Jews. Under your argument, then, the Jews are 100% justified in fighting back against the Muslims. After all, consider what the Muslims started, from the writing of the Koran. Jews and Christians and other non-Muslims were to be murdered, unless they submitted and paid blood money, which they were forced to do for 1,300 years:

                      Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

                      Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

                      If Jews and Christians fail to submit, then they will be attacked, again and again:

                      Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

                      Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Not my strategy. Just the way that Zionist historians and other have recorded the conduct of the ZioNazis in their assault against the indigenous people of Palestine:

                        “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                        “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                        “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                        Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        • James Wherry

                          So this is how you justify the rape of Jews, as in the Hebron Massacre?

                          “From the contemporary Hebrew press it appears that the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre. Four-fifths of the victims were Ashkenazi Jews, though some had deep roots in the town, yet a dozen Jews of eastern origin, Sephardim and Maghrebi, were also killed.[34] Gershon Ben-Zion, for example, the Beit Hadassah Clinic pharmacist, a cripple who had served both Jews and Arabs for 4 decades, was killed together with his family: his daughter was raped and then murdered, and his wife’s hands were cut off.[19]”
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Nope, I’m not justifying anything. I’m just pointing out the truth the the whole affair was a result of the vile ZioNazi violent aggression against the indigenous people, which you stupidly have not justified.

                        • James Wherry

                          I didn’t ASK you if you were justifying this evil: I’m telling you. Every time you make your stupid argument that the Jews made the Palestinian Arabs “lose their religion,” that IS what you are doing.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I understand that you are telling all of us that you are stark raving mad with reactionary and ZioNazi bigotry.

                        • James Wherry

                          Perhaps you should have cited a real historian like Tom Segev. That’s what Wikipedia did.

                          “From the contemporary Hebrew press it appears that the rioters targeted the Zionist community for their massacre. Four-fifths of the victims were Ashkenazi Jews, though some had deep roots in the town, yet a dozen Jews of eastern origin, Sephardim and Maghrebi, were also killed.[34] Gershon Ben-Zion, for example, the Beit Hadassah Clinic pharmacist, a cripple who had served both Jews and Arabs for 4 decades, was killed together with his family: his daughter was raped and then murdered, and his wife’s hands were cut off.[19]

                          19i Segev, Tom (2000). One Palestine, Complete. Metropolitan Books. pp. 314–327. ISBN 0-8050-4848-0.om Segev.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Isn’t it nice of Segev to point out that a few Arabs adopted the general savagery of the ZioNazi terrorist invaders? Weren’t they supposed to meekly submit to the viciousness of the ZioNazit terroists and rapists?

                        • James Wherry

                          Segway is popular among Arabs because he is fair and balanced.

                          But the Muslim command in the Kiran and the Hadiths came 1,400!yeaes ago – before Zionists. It’s what your Pals recited as they committed rape and murder.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Really? When? 1,400 years ago like when all the peoples did it?

                          When you ZioNazis rape and kill, you just snarl, right?

                          Sorry, no matter how you twist and wiggle you can’t justify the ZioNazis invading Palestine any more than you can justify the German Nazis invading Poland or France.

                        • James Wherry

                          Unlike you Naz!s, the Jews already lived there, whether in 1864!or 1948. Unlike you Nazis, 750,000 Jews had not been driven out of Poland before the invasion, and into Germany. Unlike you Nazis, Jewish refugees from Europe had not peacefully and lawfully emigrated.

                          Come now, had the Jews been violent from 1885-1919, the same Muslim Ottoman Empire that murdered 2 million Armenian Christians would have been slaughtered by the Muslims of that nation.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Yammer, yammer, yammer goes the desperately lying ZIoNazi, who’s too stupid to realize that the history has already blown up his stupid lies. The Turks weren’t the ones receiving the violent abuse of the savage invader ZioNazis of Palestine.

                        • James Wherry

                          The Sultan was Sultan over this land, as well. He was a Muslim and no non-Muslim dared attack a Muslim without retribution.

                          Well, there were some criminals who were Palestinian Arabs in that area who tried to rise up against the lawful government and the Sultan did crush them.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          You really are determined to show yourself up as a mindlessly foaming bigot, aren’t you?

                          Then you stupidly point out that the Sultan attacks people rebelling against his rule, not the vile vicious ZioNazis, who were attacking the Palestinians.

                  • Jenny Haskell

                    I always wondered why the cowardly Israelis shoot children. Thanks for clearing that up ahole.

                    • James Wherry

                      Perhaps it’s because the cowardly Palestinian mothers train the children to grow up to be murderers, and when they try and kill another, innocent human being, the Israeli steps up.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Isn’t it offensive to you that they don’t bare their throats to the savage ZioNazi invaders?

              • Jenny Haskell

                Remember the USS Liberty!

                • James Wherry

                  Remember the murder of 290 peacekeepers, including the 265 U.S. Marine U.N. Peacekeepers – by Iranians and the Hezzies.
                  Remember Col. (USMC) William F. Higgins.

          • Wondering do i refer to Wherry as Zio-bottrash or Zio-Trashbot? Plan Dalet is happening daily! All Israeli’s are Illegal Occupiers, settlers, Terrorists and Parasites on humanity. Israhell does not have the right to exist. Your Zio-Trash lies and bull shi- are typical HasbaRAT tripe.

      • James Wherry

        The only thing the DoD is not doing is putting weapons in the hands of news organizations like this who only intned to use them in the “Name and Shame Game.” They will e used to fuel anger and hatred and violence against U.S. service members who never had anything to do with the isolated incident in Abu Ghraib or the shooting cited in the article.

        I’m sure that more than one black man has been convicted of rape, so is it right to demand photos of the victims so we can point ot that “blacks rape women?” If not, then why do this to service members? It’s simply Far Left bigotry. The Far Left NEVER got anywhere with the Power of Love in the ’60’s. It was only when they discovered the Power of Hatred that they succeeded. No thanks.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          We understand that the DOD and the ZioNazis are both organizations for which the morally demented are very protective.

          • James Wherry

            I thought one of your lies is that you served your country in uniform. Apparently you are a coward.

            So fine: you hate the Jews and American serviceman. Got it. YOU are just angry at the first confrontation: we kicked your Naz! arses across Europe and we will do it again, when and if you Filthy, Naz! fraks slither out of your holes, again.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Nah, I never claimed to be among any of the gangs of sick thugs to which you ardently belong or claim falsely to have opposed, little mendacious ZioNazi creep.

              • James Wherry

                Hates Jews, wants Israel destroyed by genocide and hates our servicemen. Yep: we kicked your Naz! A$$ES during WWII and you’re just a poor loser. Well if you Nazis ever slither out of your hidey hole your whole gang of thugs will receive the same treatment, all over again.

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  Ever the sick ZioNazi screams “Anti-Semite!” and “Naz*!”, whenever his sick kind is reproached for their crimes against humanity by good, decent people, even Jewish ones.

                  The sick ZioNazi even screams his mad desire for violence to those who reproach his hateful conduct.

                  • James Wherry

                    A Naz! like you screams Zio-Naz! thinking to hide is WWII roots.

                    Again, we destroyed your “National Socialist Workers’ Party” and we’ll do it,again.

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      You are thoroughly delusional. The Nazis and the ZioNazis operated off the same evil principles and were good friends fooling Jewish people to become cannon fodder for the evil ZioNazi ambitions in Palestine.

                      Heil Jabotinsky!

                      Heil Ben-Gurion!

                      Heil Yitzhak Shamir!

                      • James Wherry

                        As opposed to your Hitler?

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Hitler is all yours, my boy! You’ve been proving it with your screams of hate for the last hour. You just dress him up in the costumes of Ben-Gurion and his fellow vicious ZioNazi thugs:

                          David Ben-Gurion — #1 — he commanded the ethnic cleansing of 750,000 Arabs during the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian villages in 1948
                          Levi Eshkol — #2 — he presided over the ethnic cleansing of 250,000 Palestinians
                          Menachem Begin — #3 — he was the preeminent terrorist in the Middle East … until Ben-Gurion and Eshkol surpassed him
                          Ariel Sharon — #4 — a murderous war hawk, he was responsible for massacres at Qibya, Sabra and Shatila
                          Benjamin Netanyahu — #5 — he was responsible for the deaths and mutilations of thousands of children during Operations Cast Lead, Pillar of Defense and Protective Edge
                          Yitzhak Shamir — #6 — he had British and Swedish nobles murdered for seeking to have Arabs treated as equals of Jews
                          Ehud Barak — #7 — a cross-dressing assassin, he participated in death squads that killed women, policemen and a poet known as “The Conscience”
                          Golda Meir — #8 — she threatened to destroy the world with nukes during a BBC interview and more than once insisted that Palestinians “did not exist” as a people
                          Shimon Peres — #9 — he aggressively pursued nuclear weapons and succeeded in delivering them
                          Yitzhak Rabin — #10 — he signed an order for the children of Lydda to be ethnically cleansed “quickly, without attention to age”
                          Yigal Allon — #11 — he served in Special Night Squads which tortured and killed “without compunction”
                          Ehud Olmert — #12 — he presided over the 2006 invasion of Lebanon, which killed 1,300 people and displaced more than a million others
                          Moshe Sharett — #13 — he was a staunch proponent of compulsory population transfer (ethnic cleansing)

                          http://www.ziombieland.net/2015/07/zionist-thug-life-in-palestine-1946.html

                        • James Wherry

                          Since you are openly planning genocide against the Israeli people, you make the list.

                          Typically, you lie, and smirk and say, “Oh, I just want justice.” You know that Israel is never going away, you simply want a conflagration which would lead to the murder of millions of Jews and Palestinian Arabs. Hence, you are Naz!

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          You are just simply lying to get fools to believe you, but actually you are just demonstrating the venom that consumes you.

                          Did the ZioNazis want justice when they determined to invade Palestine, conquer it, and transfer the native population out? What indication there is that you or the other ZioNazi bigots have any different intention? The only justice possible is that these insatiable ZioNazi vampires be forced to leave.

                        • James Wherry

                          There are no “Zionazis,” so I have no idea what that group would have wanted.

                          Did the Palestinian Arabs “all just want to get along and live together in peace,” when they conducted pogrom after pogrom from 1919-1948 in the Mandate area against JEWS and not against ZIONISTS!

                          Did the Arabs of the former Ottoman Empire NOT want Israel to be born, when the cast 750,000 Jews out of their homes, looted, raped and even murdered them, and sent the rest on thetr way to Israel?

                          You must told us what YOUR strategy is: lie and hop enough will be deceived.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Sorry, it was the evil ZioNazi invaders identifying themselves as Jews that got them identified as Jews.

                          Sorry, you are blaming the Arabs for resisting the gathering crimes of the ZioNaiz invaders since they began their evil assault of invasion and conquest in 1882. You are also lying about “pogrom after pogrom” when the vile ZioNazis were flooding the land with imported terrorist thugs.

                          No, the Arabs, Jews, Christians, and Muslims of Palestine and the Ottoman empire did not want the evil thug “state” of Israel torn from by foul European ZioNazi invaders from the entrails of the people of Palestine.

                          Moreover it was the evil European ZioNazis who assaulted the Arab Jews first to drive them to Palestine to serve the Ashkenazi thugs as laborers and farmers. It is documented. Read it and refute it instead of yammering like a ZioNazi mad dog.

                          http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

                          http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

                          http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/lavon.html

                          http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                        • James Wherry

                          Every time the Muslims have attacked the Jews, they invoked the Koran. It was not Zionists, but Muslims who did the raping, torturing, murdering and expelling of Jews. No one made your friends “lose their religion.”

                          Rape, looting and murder are not “resistence.”

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          If you thug ZioNazis hadn’t invaded with such lessons in evil, I’m sure you wouldn’t have gotten any retribution. After all, European Zionism is all about invading and stealing another people’s countries, and then transferring them off them ancestral lands.

                          Sorry, but you can keep looking silly as long as you want trying to justify the utterly evil, savage Euopean ZioNazi invasion as long as you want.

                          Evidently it’s time again to present a little bit of the documentation freely availble on the Internet that clearly shows how profoundly you are lying,

                          http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/11/the-battle-for-palestine/
                          http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/23/the-battle-for-palestine-part-two/
                          http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/24/the-battle-for-palestine-part-three/

                          by William R. Polk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Polk ), who taught Middle Eastern history and politics at Harvard

                          http://www.1948.org.uk/

                          http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid

                          Israel history since 1878 the truth about…
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydXJ1J_ZY0&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                          1st film made in Palestine by Freres Lumieres
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjEvqUmdth8&index=2&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                        • James Wherry

                          You produced an ALLEGATION that two people may have committed rape. You ignore the many truths against the Palestinian Arabs for their rapes and murders.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          You’ve provided no documentation from an historian that the Arabs did raping and killing on the scale of the savage ZioNazi invaders. I have from a Zionist historian in just a few of the paragraphs of his book.

                          Do a search on “Zionists raped Palestinian women and children” and you will find a lot more references and examples. If you search on “Palestinians rape Jewish women and children, you will find that most of the hits are on Zionists raping Palestinians as well.

                          So you lose again. You have forced the demonstration that Zionists are much more busy as rapists than their Palestinians victims.

                          Boy! It’s fun arguing with you!

                        • James Wherry

                          Well, if you’re too stupid to read the footnotes, then I guess you’re too stupid to argue with.

                          I assume you know who Tom Segev is, right? Footnote 19 in the post above is from HIM.

                          19^ Jump up to: a b c d e f g h i Segev, Tom (2000). One Palestine, Complete. Metropolitan Books. pp. 314–327. ISBN 0-8050-4848-0.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          I’m supposed to run out and buy a book by a ZioNazi historian? When there is already so much evidence freely available on the Internet about rapes of Arab women and children by the vicious ZioNazi invaders?

                          Sorry, you’re doing a good job of demonstrating that the ZioNazi invaders are obviously more extensive and savage rapists than their Arab victims, just as they have demonstrated themselves far more barbaric in every other way.

                          Call me stupid again please. It’s so hilarious!

                        • No! Israhell will be dismantled and vaporized ~ in time….eventually the US Citizens will Stop this perpetual Free Money for the Zio-Jewish Cult and their obscene and deplorable actions since the inception of Israhell. Israhell has NO Right to Exist…no one has the right to come in and Steal land and then Genocide the owners and inhabitants of said land ~ Israhell at present has no borders ~ they want to grow from the Euphrates R to the Nile R and more, and causing chaos with proxie Terrorists is typical Zio-Joo action… just Ask Rahm and his daddy.

                        • James Wherry

                          Sure: when it’s vaporized, 6 million Jews and 6 million Palestinian Arabs will be destroyed, making the demands of the Palestinian Arabs moot and pointless at the same time.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Awww! James Wherry recognizes Cpl. Charles A. Graner Jr. as a brother in savage bigotry and wants to protect him.

          • James Wherry

            How could I recognize him as a “brother,” or seek to defend him? I am a member of the DoD: we court-martialed him, sought the maximum punishment, sent him to prison for 8 years, and separated him from the US Army, the DoD and all we stand for. So, how could we identify with him.

            YOU, by contrast, know all about him and identify with him. He is part of your religious bigotry and like you, he longs to break the law.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Liar! You sick thugs threw him under the bus, when he was exposed obeying your sick program of violent bigotry.

              • James Wherry

                I think WikiLeaks has long since released V Corps OpOrd 03-036, the invasion plan. You might try the FRAGOs, as well. Since I don’t know if they are declassified, all I can say is that they repeatedly directed Soldiers to follow the Geneva Conventions. I helped write one or two of the FRAGOs on detainee operations since I was the Legal Advisor at Camp Cropper, so I am not asking you, I am telling you.

                SPC Graner and his band of idiots did what they did on their own. There was no ‘throwing them under the bus.’ If you had ever studied the Geneva Conventions, you know that “my boss told me to do it” is not a defense to war crimes. I know for a fact that he broke the rules.

                To start with,there were all of those signs around the camp. on the walls and around the area he worked with that had a “no cameras allowed” sign and logo. Second, the JAGs trained all MPs coming to the Abu Ghraib. “The humane treatment of detainees is our only standard” was and is our mantra.

                If the 11 idiots had names to name, the best way to coerce them to do so was to prosecute them. Theynever could name any names we could find evidence to prosecute. The photos were taken arount 0300-0500. That’s how Iknow the other story on MintPressNews – that mothers watched their children raped – was and is a lie. There were no visitors there at that time, and in that cellblock, I’d be skeptical.

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  The utter fool still refuses to admit the obvious: that the American people were fooled into accepting the utter evil of the Empire assault on the people of Iraq.

                  Thanks for exhibiting again the pathology of the adherents of Empire-ZioNazi complex.

                  • James Wherry

                    Reaaalllllllllyyyyy? And who told us that there WERE weapons of mass destruction that DID NOT EXIST? Bill Clinton.

                    In 1995, Saddam’s Sons-in-law came forward and ratted him out on his remaining stashes and they were destroyed. After that, he did not have any and even our retired U.S. Marine weapons inspector started saying “He ain’t got none.”

                    According to UNICEF, U.N. sanctions were murdering 50,000 IRAQI CHILDREN EACH AND EVERY YEAR. UNICEF has never backed down from that claim. That means that 300,000 Iraqi children were killed by sanctions of WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRCTION THAT NEVER EXISTED!

                    And when it came to the war, you people only said, “Give sanctions more time.” MORE TIME FOR WHAT?!? HE DIDN’T HAVE ANY WMD and Clinton, Gore and all the Democrats must have know that. After all, if Bush knew it, so did they.

                    Bottomline: if you had your way, sanctions would still be in place, and another 600,000 Iraqi children would be DEAD. Yes, you really are a Naz!. You’re just not picky about who you genocide.

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      More yammer from the evil ZioNazi madman. After the savage Empire invasion by the thug gangs to which the sickie Whirrrie belongs, no WMDs were ever found, which is on top of the fact that Saddam Hussein never had anything to do with 9/11 or Al Qaida.

                      If I had my way, the Empire-ZioNazi thugs like you never would have been in the Middle East causing millions to be immiserated or to die.

                      • James Wherry

                        If I had my way, the world-wide jihad would have never been started by the Muslims, 1,400 years ago. If I had my way, the US would have stepped back in WWII and let you and the Soviets beat your brains out, and then come in and swept up Europe and avoided a 60-year Cold War.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          That is very, very sick and stupid. You are still mendaciously trying to make resentment at being invaded by savage European Nazis a religious thing. Also, without Hitler, how would you vicious ZioNazis have seduced so many Jewish people to be your cannon fodder in the the evil ZioNazi-Rothschild assault on Palestine?

                          You sick ZioNazis would have invaded and stole the people’s homeland, whether or not there was any Islam. So stop trying to use Islam as a reason for the Palestinians to resist the savage European ZioNazi invasion.

                        • James Wherry

                          If a Muslim have moved into the area, the Pals would have had no problem wiht it. If a Jew moved in, they did. Religious bigotry is still religious bigotry. No, that does not give you license to commit rape, murder and to steal other people’s property.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          Nope, the Palestinians would have objected just as much to anyone stealing their land and did. You are just a mad-dog bigot, Whirrie, rabidly accusing others of the savage ZioNazi criminality that you adhere to.

                          You still have haven’t justified the savage invasion and rape of Palestine by your beloved European ZioNazi thugs.

                        • James Wherry

                          You still haven’t shown a “rape” of the Palestinian Arabs.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          To the ZioNazi thug, invading a stealing someone’s country isn’t a rape. It’s a “home-coming”.

                        • What total Zio-Trash lies ~ i mentioned two books on the subject ~ don’t speak on or about Palestine till you read the Truth ~ what dufus lying dueschbag ~

                        • James Wherry

                          I think I’ll keep my right to Free Speech, and ignore your attempts to silence me until I’ve read some pro-Palestinian propaganda piece.

                      • James Wherry

                        Whenever I see you mentioning “yammering,” it means you either didn’t read, or were incapable of understanding modern, standard English.

                        • TecumsehUnfaced

                          So of course you yammer some more.

                • …kinda like the babies in the Hospital in Iraq during the US illegal invasion and another shill ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)This is the stuff the US State Dept along with the DoD dreams up. Then there’s MSgt Calvin Gibbs ~ and so much more ~ as a Viet Nam disabled Vet, WIA… Wherry you’re part of the SHAME that i have for America.

                  • James Wherry

                    How was this an “illegal invasion?” What laws did the President violate?

              • James Wherry

                There you go: Tecumseh is sympathetic to these 11 idiots.

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  More mad, disconnected Whrring ZioNazi yammer.