US Police Have Killed Nearly 9,000 Civilians Since 9/11

One analyst suggested in 2012 that Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. But that estimate is probably low because police departments don’t have to disclose details on police killings and the U.S. government doesn’t formally track them.
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    Tia Williams, left, and her daughter Aissa create a display on the street outside the Minnesota governor's official residence Thursday, July 7, 2016, in St. Paul, Minn., as people gathered to protest the shooting death of Philando Castile by police.

    Tia Williams, left, and her daughter Aissa create a display on the street outside the Minnesota governor’s official residence Thursday, July 7, 2016, in St. Paul, Minn., as people gathered to protest the shooting death of Philando Castile by police.

    MINNEAPOLIS — Despite a number of high-profile attacks that have resulted in the deaths of thousands of Americans both in the United States and abroad, police continue to pose a far deadlier and more immediate threat to Americans than terrorists.

    At least 8,882 civilians have been killed by police since 9/11. This figure is based on government data and civilian- and media-run databases of police killings, although experts agree that the true number could be far higher. By contrast, the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, still the deadliest act of terrorism committed on U.S. soil, claimed the lives of 2,996 people and injured over 6,000 others.

    Even including the “Global War on Terror,” in which about 6,879 U.S. servicemembers were killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which were a direct result of 9/11, and more recent terrorist attacks like the San Bernardino shooting (14 deaths), the Orlando nightclub shooting (49 deaths), or even Thursday’s attack on Dallas police officers protecting a Black Lives Matter march (five deaths), those who receive public funds to “protect and serve” are proving to be deadlier than terrorists.



    In 2012, Jim Harper, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, a Libertarian think tank, tweeted a shocking figure, suggesting U.S. residents were eight times more likely to be killed by police than terrorists:

    More recent Department of Justice figures, as well as civilian and media estimates of police violence, suggest the problem is far worse than experts previously believed. Unfortunately, because police violence is poorly tracked by various government agencies, including those at the federal level, the true death toll may be impossible to tally accurately.

     

    ‘A math puzzle with real consequences’

    The FBI tracks “justifiable homicides” by law enforcement, but despite what the Guardian’s Jon Swaine deemed last year to be a long-running “debate about why the American government has failed so badly to monitor this issue of national importance,” police departments are not required to report details of deaths at the hands of officers to the Bureau.

    By contrast, police methodically report their own deaths to the government, and statistics suggest policing became safer than ever during President Barack Obama’s eight years in office, even as protests against police violence increased.

    Other government agencies’ attempts to track the problem have yielded mixed results. Previous Justice Department figures suggested about 500 people a year were killed by police, but in March 2015, the Bureau of Justice Statistics, part of the DOJ, issued a new report on “arrest-related deaths.”

    Based on an analysis by FiveThirtyEight, a site known for statistical analysis of the news, the BJS report suggests that about 930 people are killed by police each year. And even that figure is likely too low, according to Carl Bialik, FiveThirtyEight’s lead news writer.

    “It’s even higher — about 1,240 — if you assume that local law enforcement agencies that don’t report any killings have killed people at the same rate as agencies that do,” Bialik wrote on March 6, 2015.

    “This is a math puzzle with real consequences,” Bialik urged. “Solving it would get researchers closer to understanding how many lives have been lost — and how many victims we’re not yet counting.”

    Additionally, because the government’s figures rely on voluntary police reporting, they also reflect the bias of police departments, which tend to blame civilians for their own deaths almost regardless of the circumstances. The Washington Post’s Radley Balko noted on Twitter on Monday:

     

    An educated guess

    To make up for the lack of accurate government data, civilian and media-backed efforts have emerged to track deaths caused by police. Killed By Police, a volunteer effort based on news reports, began in May 2013, while The Counted, a similar database maintained by The Guardian newspaper, and The Washington Post’s Pulitzer Prize-winning Fatal Force project, which documents only fatal police shootings, began tracking deaths last year.

    To calculate the number of civilians killed by police since 9/11, MintPress News began with an article published on our website written by Katie Rucke, who estimated that between 500 and 1,000 people had been killed by police each year from Sept. 11, 2001 and November 2013. Although she reported that 5,000 people were killed by police in that 12-year period, we realized that, even at 500 people killed per year, the total should not be 5,000, but 6,000. For 2014, we added the 1,111 police-related deaths recorded in the Killed By Police database, the first full year tracked by that site, and the year in which USA Today reported a disturbing spike in fatal encounters with police. For 2015 and the year to date, we averaged the data compiled by Killed By Police and The Counted, to determine that about 1,177 people died at the hands of police in 2015, and that 594 people have met the same fate so far this year.

    By adding these figures to Rucke’s calculations, we arrived at a total of at least 8,882 people killed by police since 9/11. Although we used Fatal Force for background research, we disregarded its more focused database in our calculations. But by the nature of the differing available data sets, and without mandatory police reporting, the figures we arrived at and any similar calculations by other media outlets will always remain the product of educated guessing based largely on media reports.

    Accusations of racial bias in policing in general, and killings by police specifically, have given rise to movements like Black Lives Matter. Although the majority of those killed by police are white, “data scientists and policing experts often note, comparing how many or how often white people are killed by police to how many or how often black people are killed by the police is statistically dubious unless you first adjust for population,” wrote The Washington Post’s Wesley Lowery on Monday. According to the Counted, after adjusting for their total percentage of the populations, police kill blacks and Native Americans at about twice the rate of whites.

     

    ‘Police are not a permanent fixture of society’

    The epidemic of police violence in the U.S. has left many searching for reforms or even alternatives to police.

    In August 2015, Black Lives Matter activists launched Campaign Zero, a ten-point plan to reduce police violence through concrete reforms such as mandatory body cameras, better community oversight of police (including increased transparency around police violence), and a reduction of police militarization. Since July 7, visitors to the Campaign Zero website can also track police reform legislation in state legislatures and Congress.

    Some departments are voluntarily embracing some of these reforms, among them the Dallas Police Department, whose officers were among the victims of the deadly July 7 attack by gunman Micah Johnson. Leon Neyfakh, a Slate staff writer, noted several of these reforms in a July 8 report:

    “Among the changes the Dallas police have made since 2012: a new foot chase policy aimed at discouraging officers from making risky decisions while pursuing suspects, new guidelines for reporting encounters involving the use of force, and a policy of bringing in the FBI Civil Rights Division to review all police-involved shootings. Since 2014, the department has maintained one website containing a trove of data on more than a decade of police-involved shootings in the city, and another that catalogues all police encounters that result in an officer drawing a weapon, using a baton, or physically restraining a suspect.

    Neyfakh added that Dallas received $3.7 million in funding for body cameras in 2015, and officers have received increased use of force training since 2014.

    But some activists and analysts believe the institution of policing is so broken and inherently biased that it can only be reformed by being completely dismantled and replaced.

    “[P]olice are not a permanent fixture in society,” wrote José Martín in December 2014 for Rolling Stone. His article suggests six alternatives to policing, from community patrols to mediation, often referred to as restorative justice, as well as more systemic solutions like the decriminalization of most nonviolent, victimless crimes and improved mental health care.

    “While law enforcers have existed in one form or another for centuries, the modern police have their roots in the relatively recent rise of modern property relations 200 years ago, and the ‘disorderly conduct’ of the urban poor,” Martín noted.

    He continued:

    “Like every structure we’ve known all our lives, it seems that the policing paradigm is inescapable and everlasting, and the only thing keeping us from the precipice of a dystopic Wild West scenario. It’s not.”

    Additional reporting by Mikala Reasbeck.

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    • James Wherry

      AH! Wait! It’s TABLE 6 of the 2011 statistics I’m referring to. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6

      Take a look: of 2,695 black Americans murdered, 2,447 were murdered by other black Americans
      Of 3,172 white Americans, 2,630 were murdered by other white Americans.

      1. The racist lie that “blacks want to kill whites” or vice versa is a myth: we stick to our own races in DEATH as in life, I’m sorry to report.

      2. Black Americans account for only 12.5% of our population, yet HALF of the murdered rate and HALF of the MURDERER rate?!?! If you can’t honestly say “The black community has a problem where life is cheap and guns, alcohol, drugs and violence are all tolerated” you’re nuts.

      I make no excuses for the police, but the overwhelming number of their killings are justified. The ones that are not are protested and I’m happy for the protests. While I agree that “all lives matter,” the “black lives matter” slogan emphasizes the fact that for many years “BLACK LIVES HAVE NOT MATTERED” but they have not mattered to citizens AND to the police. This suggests that we need to treat those lives sacred at ALL levels – what you want to see the police BE, you need to BE, as well.

      https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6

      • tapatio

        ”James Wherry” is a TRAITOR & Zionist hasbara shill, formerly associated with the “School of the Americas” (now – Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation) WORLD’S LARGEST TRAINING CAMP FOR DEATH SQUADS AND TERRORISTS, located at Fort Benning, Georgia. Even though Wherry was an officer in the US military, his first loyalty is obviously to Zionism. Zionists follow the Jewish “Chosen” Master-Race delusion promoted in Judaism’s Talmud. Wherry resides, with his toi-boi Mario, at 6300 MILGEN RD APT 1403 COLUMBUS, GA 31907, should anyone wish to drop by to say, “HI”.

        Wherry’s avatar photo.
        http://images.classmates.com/pho301/i/l/K/8/4911843658_display.jpg

        THIS FILTH WORE OUR UNIFORM, BUT IT WANTS TO BE ISRAELI
        https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416986_111583399006499_524294966_n.jpg?oh=d07d9ec6cc4373a8f6e8cc8992b33234&oe=57C137D9

        http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article29462263.html

        HILARIOUS………..
        “I’m very happy about it,” James Wherry said. “Marriage is the bedrock of our society. I hope that same-sex couples can rejuvenate and revitalize marriage and give it the respect it is due.”

        James Wherry said he and Mario Jay Wherry met through gaymatchmaker.com. James Wherry proposed and flew to the Philippines to hold an engagement party with Mario Jay Wherry and his family. Mario Jay Wherry arrived in the United States at the end of May.

        Wherry and his little paramour at their “wedding”. Being gay is one thing. Sexual use of someone young enough to be his child, and who would do ANYTHING to escape the disgusting poverty and violence of a culture like that in the Philippines, makes Wherry a s-xual predator.

        • James Wherry

          Tapatio thinks I’m a “traitor” for supporting a two-state solution in which the nation of Palestine lives in peace with the nation of Israel, side-by-side. I can live with that. By contrast, TAPATIO is a TRAITOR for vowing to help “ERADICATE Judaism.” Note, not “Israel” or “Zionism,” but JUDAISM. the only way to do so is to “ERADICATE the JEWS” – like Jill Stein.

          Tapatio is also a TRAITOR for JUSTIFYING the HOLOCAUST. http://www.mintpressnews.com/islamophobia-industry-spent-206m-building-hatred-us-heres-create-love-instead/217662/. He goes on for post after post about how the round up and extermination of Jews in “Naz!-occupied Europe” by the NAZ!s was done “for the defense of European civilization” and was because Jews commit “Jew Crimes.” Jews like Jill Stein. If she had been fed to the ovens, he would have rejoiced.

          • tapatio

            The two-state solution was made impossible by the Jew state’s moving Russian and Brooklyn squatters into the West Bank and East Jerusalem and by the Jews’ continuous criminal activities in Palestine.

            This fat, bald, boy-loving pervert with bad skin CLAIMS that I do this, that and the other. The pig can never manage to produce VALID EVIDENCE of his claim – nothing more than a Photoshopped graphic of a photo I posted with his own creations overlaid.

            Below is James Wherry’s reality…………….

            ”James Wherry” is a TRAITOR & Zionist hasbara shill, formerly associated with the “School of the Americas” (now – Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation) WORLD’S LARGEST TRAINING CAMP FOR DEATH SQUADS AND TERRORISTS, located at Fort Benning, Georgia. Even though Wherry was an officer in the US military, his first loyalty is obviously to Zionism. Zionists follow the Jewish “Chosen” Master-Race delusion promoted in Judaism’s Talmud. Wherry resides, with his toi-boi Mario, at 6300 MILGEN RD APT 1403 COLUMBUS, GA 31907, should anyone wish to drop by to say, “HI”.

            Wherry’s avatar photo.
            http://images.classmates.com/pho301/i/l/K/8/4911843658_display.jpg

            THIS FILTH WORE OUR UNIFORM, BUT IT WANTS TO BE ISRAELI
            https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/416986_111583399006499_524294966_n.jpg?oh=d07d9ec6cc4373a8f6e8cc8992b33234&oe=57C137D9

            http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article29462263.html

            HILARIOUS………..
            “I’m very happy about it,” James Wherry said. “Marriage is the bedrock of our society. I hope that same-sex couples can rejuvenate and revitalize marriage and give it the respect it is due.”

            James Wherry said he and Mario Jay Wherry met through gaymatchmaker.com. James Wherry proposed and flew to the Philippines to hold an engagement party with Mario Jay Wherry and his family. Mario Jay Wherry arrived in the United States at the end of May.

            Wherry and his little paramour at their “wedding”. Being gay is one thing. Sexual use of someone young enough to be his child, and who would do ANYTHING to escape the disgusting poverty and violence of a culture like that in the Philippines, makes Wherry a s-xual predator.

            • James Wherry

              YOU have rejected the two-state solution, as have the Palestinians (the PA you have called stooges of Israel). YOU and people like you make it impossible.

              Thanks. I appreciate you repeating this news and reposting my wedding photos.

              • tapatio

                You and your boy-love perversion are SICK and grotesque, Wherry.

                I have NEVER “rejected the two-state solution”. Your Jew masters have made it impossible by their import of the sweepings of every Jew gutter on Earth and placing that excrement as squatters on Palestinian land in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

                Even if the sociopathic scum didn’t reject a two-state solution in the Jews’ ruling party “charter”, the Zionists will never accept civil war among themselves to enforce such a solution.

                Below is the charter of the Revisionist Zionists > Freedom Party > Likud Party – the party that spawned Zionism and has been the ruling party of Zionism through almost its entire existence………………….

                “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”
                “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem, including the plan to divide the city presented to the Knesset by the Arab factions and supported by many members of Labor and Meretz.”

                “The GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL FLATLY REJECTS THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PALESTINIAN ARAB STATE WEST OF THE JORDAN RIVER.

                It’s rather obvious that the Jews NEVER had any intention of keeping their agreements or obeying international law to which that state is signatory.

                • James Wherry

                  WELL, DIMWIT: SINCE ISRAEL DEMANDS TO EXIST AND YOU OPPOSE THAT, WHY NOT OPPOSE THE REJECTION OF A TWO-STATE SOLUTION?!?

                  The simple fact is that Israel HAS offered a two-state solution, twice: once under Olmert and once under Barak. Neither proposal was accepted. Wake me, when there’s a counter-offer that does NOT involve “phase 1: throw all the Jews out of the West Bank; phase 2: move 6 million Palestinian Arabs into pre-1967 Israel and destroy it.”

                  • tapatio

                    ANY READER CAN LOOK UP THE CURRENT LIKUD CHARTER AND SEE THAT THE JEW “OFFER” OF A TWO-STATE SOLUTION WAS BULL EXCREMENT. YOUR BABOON MASTERS OFFER TINY ISLANDS OF PALESTINE SURROUNDED BY A SEA OF THE SCUM OF JUDAISM – THE ORTHODOX SQUATTER THUGS FROM BROOKLYN AND MOSCOW’S GUTTERS.

                    IF THE JEW STATE WANTED A TWO-STATE SOLUTION, IT WOULD NOT HAVE RECRUITED THAT LESS-THAN-HUMAN FILTH TO POPULATE PALESTINIAN LAND. IT WOULD COST THE JEWS A CIVIL WAR OF THEIR OWN TO ATTEMPT TO COMPLY WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW.

                    • James Wherry

                      Ehud Barak was not a Likud member. Olmert was with Kadima Party.

                      The Palestinians have never offered a counter-offer of their own that did not involved the destruction of Israel, either “immediately,” or “in phases.” It takes two to make peace. Olmert and Barak’s plans would have shared Jerusalem and NOT left “islands of Palestinians” in the West Bank.

                      You accuse Israel of extremism to cover up the extremism of the Palestinians. You are shilling for them and “diverting and distracting” from the readers’ attention.

                    • squeakywheel3

                      “IT WOULD COST THE JEWS A CIVIL WAR OF THEIR OWN TO ATTEMPT TO COMPLY WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW.”

                      There is absolutely NOTHING in international law which requires Israel to permit a second sovereignty in the Mandate territory west of the Jordan River

                      — and a great deal in common sense which flatly REJECTS the insane proposition.

                      If the Palestinian Arabs must have sovereignty, the logical place for them to exercise it is not West of the river, but East of it — where they already constitute a majority, and where an Arab state has existed for two years longer than the Jewish state.

                      • tapatio

                        International Laws of Belligerent Occupation
                        Belligerent occupation is governed by The Hague Regulations of 1907, as well as by the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949, and the customary laws of belligerent occupation. Security Council Resolution 1322 (2000), paragraph 3 continued: “Calls upon Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and its responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in a Time of War of 12 August 1949;…” Again, the Security Council vote was 14 to 0, becoming obligatory international law.

                        The Fourth Geneva Convention applies to the West Bank, to the Gaza Strip, and to the entire City of Jerusalem, in order to protect the Palestinians living there. The Palestinian People living in this Palestinian Land are “protected persons” within the meaning of the Fourth Geneva Convention. All of their rights are sacred under international law.

                        There are 149 substantive articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that protect the rights of every one of these Palestinians living in occupied Palestine. The Israeli Government is currently violating, and has since 1967 been violating, almost each and every one of these sacred rights of the Palestinian People recognized by the Fourth Geneva Convention. Indeed, violations of the Fourth Geneva Convention are war crimes.

                        So this is not a symmetrical situation. As matters of fact and of law, the gross and repeated violations of Palestinian rights by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers living illegally in occupied Palestine constitute war crimes. Conversely, the Palestinian People are defending themselves and their Land and their Homes against Israeli war crimes and Israeli war criminals, both military and civilian.
                        The U.N. Human Rights Commission

                        Indeed, it is far more serious than that. On 19 October 2000 a Special Session of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights adopted a Resolution set forth in U.N. Document E/CN.4/S-5/L.2/Rev. 1, “Condemning the provocative visit to al Aqsa Haram Sharif on 28 September 2000 by Ariel Sharon, the Likud party leader, which triggered the tragic events that followed in occupied East Jerusalem and the other occupied Palestinian territories, resulting in a high number of deaths and injuries among Palestinian civilians.” The U.N. Human Rights Commission then said it was “[g]ravely concerned” about several different types of atrocities inflicted by Israel upon the Palestinian People, which it denominated “war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity.”

                        In operative paragraph 1 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission then: “Strongly condemns the disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force in violation of international humanitarian law by the Israeli occupying Power against innocent and unarmed Palestinian civilians…including many children, in the occupied territories, which constitutes a war crime and a crime against humanity;…” And in paragraph 5 of its 19 October 2000 Resolution, the U.N. Human Rights Commission: “Also affirms that the deliberate and systematic killing of civilians and children by the Israeli occupying authorities constitutes a flagrant and grave violation of the right to life and also constitutes a crime against humanity;…” Article 68 of the United Nations Charter had expressly required the U.N.’s Economic and Social Council to “set up” this Commission “for the promotion of human rights.”
                        Israel’s War Crimes against Palestinians

                        We all have a general idea of what a war crime is, so I am not going to elaborate upon that term here. But there are different degrees of heinousness for war crimes. In particular are the more serious war crimes denominated “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Since the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, the world has seen those inflicted every day by Israel against the Palestinian People living in occupied Palestine: e.g., wilful killing of Palestinian civilians by the Israeli army and Israel’s illegal paramilitary settlers. These Israeli “grave breaches” of the Fourth Geneva Convention mandate universal prosecution for their perpetrators, whether military or civilian, as well as prosecution for their commanders, whether military or civilian, including Israel’s political leaders.
                        Israel’s Crimes Against Humanity against Palestinians

                        But I want to focus for a moment on Israel’s “crime against humanity” against the Palestinian People — as determined by the U.N. Human Rights Commission itself, set up pursuant to the requirements of the United Nations Charter. What is a “crime against humanity”? This concept goes all the way back to the Nuremberg Charter of 1945 for the trial of the major Naz! war criminals. And in the Nuremberg Charter of 1945, drafted by the United States Government, there was created and inserted a new type of international crime specifically intended to deal with the Naz! persecution of the Jewish People.

                        The paradigmatic example of a “crime against humanity” is what Hitler and the Naz!s did to the Jewish People. This is where the concept of crime against humanity came from. And this is what the U.N. Human Rights Commission determined that Israel is currently doing to the Palestinian People: Crimes against humanity. Legally, just like what Hitler and the Naz!s did to the Jews.
                        The Precursor to Genocide

                        Moreover, a crime against humanity is the direct historical and legal precursor to the international crime of genocide as defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. The theory here was that what Hitler and the Naz!s did to the Jewish People required a special international treaty that would codify and universalise the Nuremberg concept of “crime against humanity.” And that treaty ultimately became the 1948 Genocide Convention.

                        In fairness, you will note that the U.N. Human Rights Commission did not go so far as to condemn Israel for committing genocide against the Palestinian People. But it has condemned Israel for committing crimes against humanity, which is the direct precursor to genocide. And I submit that if something is not done quite soon by the American People and the International Community to stop Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity against the Palestinian People, it could very well degenerate into genocide, if Israel is not there already. And in this regard, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is what international lawyers call a genocidaire—one who has already committed genocide in the past.

                    • squeakywheel3

                      “IF THE JEW STATE WANTED A TWO-STATE SOLUTION, IT WOULD NOT HAVE RECRUITED THAT LESS-THAN-HUMAN FILTH TO POPULATE PALESTINIAN LAND.”

                      If the Executive Branch of the US govt had not PRESSURED the Israelis into ‘offering’ the Palestinian Arabs a state — so there would be 2 states in an area where there is scarcely room enough for the ONE which already THERE (and it most assuredly is NOT “Palestinian land”) — it would not have not have been necessary to outsmart the pressure-mongers.

                      However, what Bibi Netanyahu DID agree to was — quite explicitly and exclusively — a DEMILITARIZED state

                      — which, in the real world, is about as substantive as a kosher pork chop.

                      • tapatio

                        READERS CAN SEE MY RESPONSE TO THE JEW TROLL’S LIES BELOW, IN THE COMMENT TITLED

                        International Laws of Belligerent Occupation

                      • squeakywheel3

                        “READERS CAN SEE MY RESPONSE TO THE JEW TROLL’S LIES BELOW, IN THE COMMENT TITLED

                        ‘International Laws of Belligerent Occupation’…”

                        Yes they surely CAN — although, uh, it’s not exactly “Tapatio’s” response.

                        Actually it was lifted — word-for-word, and WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION — from an essay of Francis Boyle, a left-wingnut international lawyer who has ideological axes-to-grind over Israel, just as the crank, Tapatio, does.

                        — So Tapatio chose to pass it off as his own.

                        And they can ALSO see that YoursTruly wasted no time taking that essay apart — like the shoddy piece of tripe that it is — in a few posts immediately afterward.

                        And as before, I’m STILL waiting for this shameless propagandist, Tapatio, to IDENTIFY a single one of my purported ‘lies’ — here or anywhere else.

                    • squeakywheel3

                      “ANY READER CAN LOOK UP THE CURRENT LIKUD CHARTER AND SEE THAT THE JEW ‘OFFER’ OF A TWO-STATE SOLUTION WAS BULL EXCREMENT.”

                      It wasn’t a Jewish offer. It was a UN offer: the Partition Resolution of
                      Nov 29, 1947 [UNGA 181]

                      — and later, a USA offer.

                      The Jews were PRESSURED into it by the UN in 1947. But the Arabs weren’t satisfied with the offer of half-a-loaf — so they REJECTED the partition proposal ANYWAY,

                      At the quiet heart of the matter (and despite the sycophantically
                      leftist-enabled, strenuous Arab-Islamic huffings-&-puffings, of late, at rewriting the history of the past century) is the inescapable reality that Arabs of the postwar era were downright OFFENDED (even humiliated) at the very notion that the detestable Jew dog — who, throughout the 1300-year lifetime of Islam, had NEVER been independent, instead having been kept traditionally “dhimmi”: in explicit subjection under Islamic rule (think Jim Crow, mega-compounded) — that this despised al-Yahud should now be the equal of a Muslim, or worse yet, be EVER ‘permitted’ a genuinely sovereign existence of his own, anywhere; let alone, that such an “entity” emerge amidst the Islamic world.

                      — Seven decades on, they are STILL not over the shock of it; nor even YET ready to openly ACKNOWLEDGE the fact.

                      But rejecting the partition plan was only the beginning for the Arabs. Next, to ensure that no part of the partition plan COULD be implemented, and that the Jews would NEVER recover their long-lost, and equally long-bemourned, independence, the local Arabs set upon the Palestine Jews and called in all the neighboring Arab powers to pile-on: in a wolf-pack invasion & assault — from all sides (and the sky) — upon the fledgling Jewish state.

                      The mission was to annihilate the Jews of the Palestine Mandate, and the assailant Arabs left no doubt as to the earnestness of their intent. They proceeded to the butchery with all the gleeful anticipation of petulant children bent on stomping a bug. Vowed Abdul Rahman Azzam (“Azzam Pasha,” the Arab League’s first secretary-general), “this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre and the Crusader wars.”

                      Determined, thus, to roll up the whole enchilada for themselves, and handsomely reinforced & assisted by the armies of the Arab powers, the Palestine Arabs attacked — they gambled double-or-nothing. And lost.

                      Step into a casino sometime and when you lose your shirt at the poker or baccarat tables, try asking management to now RETURN your “buy-in.” (Be sure & let us all in on how that works out for you.) There is no such thing as a ‘limited-liability aggression’ — actions have consequences.

                      Moreover, he who presumes to FORCE an issue by resorting to arms, implicitly accepts the VERDICT of arms. There’s no going back to Resolution 181; that ship has sailed. What would’ve happened to the Jews if it’d been THEY who lost? Azzam was crystal clear.

                      Blessedly, little Israel withstood the terrors and agonies of a war cruelly forced upon her — the onslaught was blunted, the invasion repulsed — yet this was hardly for lack of effort OR intent on the part of the Palestine Arabs or the REST of Mr Rogers’ geopolitical Arab neighborhood.

                      A scant 3 years after the “Final Solution” had wiped out a third of the world’s Jews, one full percent of the Israeli Jewish populace — men, women, children — was killed within the space of a year-&-a-half. (One percent of THIS country’s present numbers would come to some 3.2 million. Try visualizing AMERICA sustaining that magnitude of loss . . .. on US soil . . . . over a 20-month stretch.)

                      • tapatio

                        READERS CAN SEE MY RESPONSE TO THE JEW TROLL’S LIES BELOW, IN THE COMMENT TITLED

                        International Laws of Belligerent Occupation

                      • squeakywheel3

                        “READERS CAN SEE MY RESPONSE TO THE JEW TROLL’S LIES BELOW, IN THE COMMENT TITLED

                        ‘International Laws of Belligerent Occupation’…”

                        Yes they surely CAN — although, uh, it’s not exactly “Tapatio’s” response.

                        Actually it was lifted — word-for-word, and WITHOUT ATTRIBUTION — from an essay of Francis Boyle, a left-wingnut international lawyer who has ideological axes-to-grind over Israel, just as the crank, Tapatio, does.

                        — So Tapatio chose to pass it off as his own.

                        And the readers can ALSO see that YoursTruly wasted no time taking that essay apart — like the shoddy piece of tripe that it is — in a few posts immediately afterward.

                        And as before, I’m STILL waiting for this shameless propagandist, Tapatio, to IDENTIFY a single one of my purported ‘lies’ — here or anywhere else.

                • squeakywheel3

                  ” Your Jew masters have made it impossible by their import of the
                  sweepings of every Jew gutter on Earth and placing that excrement as
                  squatters of Palestinian land in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.”

                  You have PROOF that the land of which you speak BELONGS to the self-styled ‘Palestinians’?

                  It is THEY who are the squatters.

                  “It’s rather obvious that the Jews NEVER had any intention of
                  keeping their agreements”

                  IDENTIFY the agreement not kept. Quote verbatim the pertinent text.

                  “or obeying international law to which that state is signatory.”

                  IDENTIFY the specific international law ‘disobeyed.’ Quote verbatim the pertinent text.

    • James Wherry

      Black Americans murder victims were likely murdered by other black Americans. In the inner city, life is cheap and there is far too much joblessness, homelessness, alcohol abuse and drug use. It is NOT just the police who create that atmosphere.

      https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6

    • Werds

      I like how they used facts from 2012

    • The number of police-involved fatalities for 2016 has gone up to 586 now. If you would like to get to know any of the 1732 Americans killed by police since January 1st, 2015 here is the link to the Guardian site that is referenced earlier in the piece above.

      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database#

      Obviously our government is at-war with the American people, as the number of police-inflicted deaths over the last 18 months and 14 days rivals US combat deaths in the Iraq War over any similar-length period there. Why does the US need a rate of police-involved fatalities that is 250 times that of the combined nations of Europe?

      • James Wherry

        These numbers tell us nothing about the actual events surrounding the killings.

        • Michael J. Motta

          They tell us that our laws are not in harmony with the people though — which is the bottom line and points to an ill culture. Whenever you’re killing about a thousand of your own citizens per year and keeping 2.3 million of us in cages, that’s a sick society.

          • James Wherry

            The police take the society as it is, not as the police would like it to be. Drug use, alcoholism, domestic violence and poverty all contribute to the crime rate in our society. The number of times that the police have to respond is indicative of the number of incidents they must respond to, nothing more.

            HOW the police respond is a different matter. The “attack” on the black man hawking CDs in Baton Rouge was insane: it was an ECONOMIC crime, NOT a mass murder. There was not excuse for their outrageous actions.

            • Michael J. Motta

              By choosing to accept money in return for enforcing the laws one is either “selling out” or endorsing those laws. You know the oldie but goodie about “I was only following orders” . . .

              • James Wherry

                You let the criminals off the hook with reckless abandon. Under that theory, no one should be a police officer until laws are changed.

                Hey, I’ve suggested something like that, myself: when Fat Boy (Michael Moore) was shouting out in Baltimore (with its black Mayor, black A.G. and black police chief) about racism and how the police are all at fault, I absolutely suggested the police should just stay in their police stations and let MM and his army of volunteers respond to those 3AM “shots fired” or “domestic violence” phone calls that they get. I’d LOVE to see what happens, next!

                But no: there is no “strict liability” for the police. We have codes of conduct that must be enforced. The police are not judged by what they are responding to, only how they respond. If not, then stop complaining about their conduct because apparently they are “doing nothing wrong,” under that theory.

                Bottomline: it’s the criminals who are creating the “War Zone” under which inner city residents live, not the police.

                • Michael J. Motta

                  Criminals are created by the laws — that’s the bottom line. Criminals don’t spring from nowhere — particularly in modern technological times of abundance they are the result of injustice — both the criminals at the bottom and those at the top. Injustice legalizes criminality at the top to exploit and control those at the bottom and when this results in despair on the bottom then the bottom acts out. The system is wholly designed by and for criminality — top and bottom.

                  • James Wherry

                    Rape, murder and theft would still be crimes, whether we had written laws against them, or not. At the very least, they would be vulgar and obscene crimes we would want to stop.

                    What you’ve said applies to a narrow range of crimes, usually involving addiction. I fully support alternative systems including drug and alcohol diversion systems, first-time offender’s systems, and – unfortunately – veterans’ drug and alcohol courts. Treatment vs. criminalization? Sure.

                    And do you really want to argue against laws that criminalize the behavior of unscrupulous doctors, lawyers, financeers and bankers? I hope not: I just want to see the crimes enforced.

        • tapatio

          Those numbers, just like US firearms statistics, tell us that the United States has become a diseased society and our government is at the center of the disease.

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    • PigStateNews

      In all likelihood, more than 22,000 people have been killed by U.S. police since 9/11.
      granta.com/violence-in-blue
      killedbypolice.net

    • James Wherry

      The human beings who are in our government and police force should not “fear” the human beings who are the rest of our citizens. The Asian police officer in St. Paul who wrongfully killed the black man who was laid to rest, today, looked like he was scared spitless, in the videos and that sort of irrational fear makes up racism.

      The people should also not have to “fear” their public servants.

    • tapatio

      When the people fear the government…….There is tyranny.

      When the government fears the people…….There is Liberty.

    • Eddie273273

      We are not “civilians” we are CITIZENS .
      Civilians are casualties in a war zone .
      Unless you know something we don’t .

      • Michael J. Motta

        We’re both. Civilians aren’t necessarily casualties, that’s why you often see the phrase “civilian casualties”. There would be no need to add “casualties” if that meaning were already contained in the word “civilian”.

    • James Wherry

      Black Americans have killed more than 25,000 other black Americans since 911, but only constitute 12.5% of the population. What’s your point?

      Should the police have killed the individuals involved? Citing a statistic does not reveal relevant facts.