The Alliance Between Israel And Saudi Arabia

The apparent Israeli-Saudi alliance, even though hidden from the masses for now, matches the interests of the US in the Middle East and Western Asia. Washington hopes that this will weaken anti-Israeli feelings in the Arab and Muslim world, create a reliable counterweight in the region to a possible strengthening of Iran, and isolate to the extent possible radical islamist Sunni and Shiite groups.
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    BIRDS OF A FEATHER: Both Saudi and Israel need to remain close in order to maintain their artificial desert fiefdoms.

    BIRDS OF A FEATHER: Both Saudi and Israel need to remain close in order to maintain their artificial desert fiefdoms.

    Tel Aviv, Israel (NEO) – Saudi Arabia’s claims to be one of the leaders of the Arab and Muslim world prevent it from recognizing the State of Israel’s right to exist within its current borders, while Tel-Aviv in its turn rejects the plan for Middle East Regulation (MER) proposed by Riyadh involving a reversion to the pre-1967 status quo. As a result of various domestic and international factors neither side will change their diametrically opposite positions and maintain official contacts.

    However, the absence of diplomatic relations does not prevent unofficial contact between Israeli and Saudi representatives. Recently there have been frequent media reports on meetings between representatives of the two states and there have even been claims that the Saudis are ready to provide Israel with an air corridor and air bases for rescue helicopters, tanker aircraft and drones (unmanned aircraft systems – UAS) in case Israel decides to bomb Iranian nuclear facilities. Some of these reports have been denied by officials but others have nevertheless been confirmed.

    In particular, according to information of a Jerusalem Post correspondent citing diplomatic sources of both countries, since the beginning of 2014 there have been as many as five secret meetings between the Saudis and Israelis, in India, Italy and the Czech Republic. Reports appeared in the Arab press that senior members of the Israeli security forces, including the head of Mossad, secretly visited Riyadh and held discussions there with their Saudi equivalents. Apparently there were even negotiations between the then director general of the Saudi Intelligence Agency, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, with senior officials of the Israeli secret services in Geneva.



    On June 5, 2015 Director-General of the Israeli Foreign Ministry Dore Gold met Saudi met with General Anwar Majed Eshki at a conference in Washington, when the latter presented his strategic MER plan. Key highlights of this document are devoted to establishing cooperation between the Arab countries and Israel and the need for joint efforts to isolate the Iranian regime.

    King Salman of Saudi Arabia commissioned prince and media magnate Al-Waleed bin Talal to start a dialogue with the Israeli intellectual community with the aim of reestablishing contact with the neighbouring country. Prince Talal called on all inhabitants of the Middle East, which were torn apart by war, to end their hatred of the Jewish people. He also declared that his visit to Jerusalem signifies the beginning of ‘peace and brotherliness’ between Israel and its Arab neighbours. Arab media reported that Saudi Minister of Petroleum and Mineral Resources Ali Al-Naimi confirmed that his country is ready to export ‘black gold’ to any place in the world, including Israel. Saudi Minister pointed out that the majority of the Arab world does not see any obstacles to trade relations. In August 2014 the head of the Saudi Foreign Ministry Prince Saud Al Faisal declared at the world assembly of Islamic scholars in Jeddah: “We must reject planting hatred towards Israel and we should normalize relations with the Jewish state.” Dore Gold, mentioned above, told the news agency Bloomberg: “Our standing today on this stage does not mean we have resolved all the differences that our countries shared over the years. But our hope is we will be able to address them fully in the years ahead and Riyadh can become a strategic partner of the Jewish state”.

    It should be noted that this mobilization of contacts between representatives of Saudi Arabia and Israel has been taking place on the eve of and after the signing of the agreement between international mediators and Iran on the latter’s nuclear program. Tel-Aviv called the agreement ‘a historical mistake’ and Riyadh perceived it as a direct threat to its national interests. It is no coincidence that the Saudi King and some of his direct counterparts in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) decided not to participate in the summit of this regional organization on May 14, 2015 in Camp David (in the US). Soon after, on June 18, 2015 at the St Petersburg Economic Forum, Russian President Vladimir Putin met with Saudi Defence Minister and son of Saudi King Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud. The King himself is expected to come to Russia on an official visit before the end of this year. In other words, Riyadh made it clear to Washington that the deal with Iran is forcing the Saudi leadership to look for new allies. Time will tell whether these steps are more to do with a genuine desire of the Saudis to diversify their foreign relations, or they are simply a lever to put pressure on the US administration.

    The US had to react quickly to the aggressive declarations and actions of its strategic allies and regional partners. Washington assured both Riyadh and Tel-Aviv that the IAEA and American special services will keep a tight watch on Teheran implementing all the conditions of the agreement signed in Vienna and that the sanctions on Iran will only be lifted gradually. The GCC countries were promised to receive supplies of new modern weaponry in increasing amounts and on preferential terms. In the very near future the question of creating a common anti-missile system for the GCC as a whole will be resolved. This system will cover the Arab Peninsula with a ‘reliable shield’ from a possible attack by Teheran. The US also supported Saudi Arabia in its bombing of Shiite rebels in Yemen. In order to support the air operation of the coalition led by Riyadh the US fueled the Saudi fighter aircraft and provided intelligence and equipment. It was even reported that Israel, at the request of Washington, also provided its intelligence data on Yemen to the Saudis.

    In order to calm the Israelis following the deal with Iran, Washington promised to increase its annual financial aid to Israel for the entire 10-year duration of the implementation of the ‘Vienna Pact’ – by around one and a half billion US dollars. The US additionally accepted responsibility to finance the further development of the Iron Dome anti-missile system and to increase Israel’s missile supplies, which were depleted following last year military operation in Gaza. The Israeli air force will also get a squadron of the latest F-35 fighter-bombers on favourable terms. At the same time, in the near future joint exercises will be held with the air forces of Israel, the US and several European countries for the first time in six years. These exercises will include perfecting ‘missile attacks and bombing raids on targets located in far-off countries’.

    This way, the agreement between the international mediators and Iran over its nuclear program apparently encouraged sworn enemies to look for compromises and common ground to counter the threat they both face from Iran. Neither the Israeli nor Saudi leadership believe that the Vienna agreement will help to restrict further Iranian expansion in the region. For them, the myth of the ‘Shiite Arc’ or ‘Shiite Crescent’ is an objective reality. Tel-Aviv is worried that Teheran will nevertheless end up possessing nuclear weapons and will break Israel’s hegemony in the Middle East. Moreover, Israelis expect Iran to start actively aiding anti-Israeli radical half-military half-political groupings (Hamas, Hezbollah and others). Riyadh, in its turn, is sure that with the lifting of restrictive sanctions the Islamic Republic of Iran will make significant progress in scientific, technical, trade, economic, and other areas, and will improve its combat readiness and the fighting capacity of its armed forces. In this case, Teheran’s ability to support the Shiite majority in Iraq, the government of Bashar Assad in Syria and Shiite communities in countries of the Persian Gulf, Lebanon and Yemen will significantly grow. A real threat will emerge to the ruling Sunni groups in the Gulf countries, especially in Bahrain, where two-thirds of the population is Shiite, in Yemen and in Saudi Arabia itself (its eastern province), and in other countries of the region.

    The Gulf monarchs are clearly not ready to share power, natural resources or finances with representatives of their large Shiite communities. The apparent Israeli-Saudi alliance, even though hidden from the masses for now, matches the interests of the US in the Middle East and Western Asia. Washington hopes that this will weaken anti-Israeli feelings in the Arab and Muslim world, create a reliable counterweight in the region to a possible strengthening of Iran, and isolate to the extent possible radical islamist Sunni and Shiite groups. The US, it would seem, is happy to see several centers of power at once (Israel, Turkey, Egypt, the Gulf monarchies and Iran) jostling or in competition with each other but dependent on Washington, with Riyadh together with Tel-Aviv assigned the role of regional gendarme. The Saudis’ counterinsurgency operations in Bahrain and Yemen and the support for opposition fighters in Syria confirm this thesis.

    Stanislav Ivanov, PhD in History, Leading research fellow at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations and at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.

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    • Ibrahim Altherwi

      As the title said: It’s an alliance between – the bacterial germ called Israel – and Saudi –
      Saudi government of course – . If so, it means that general public ether inside
      Saudi or anywhere isn’t a part of this disgusting alliance.

      To me, I think such an alliance is no more an inexpensive propaganda has been managed by
      this bacterial germ called Israel to push general public toward accepting them as criminal thieves of stolen lands to other decent way at least as respected thieves. The general public everywhere has to refuse and still refusing the existing of this bacterial germ called Israel, but somehow many of them prefer being hypocrites
      and alive rather than honest but dead by some of assassination tools of this bacterial germ called Israel. Some others had a business connection with some emperors businessmen of jews..

      Finally, I think this situation will be terminated someday regardless of time and victims that had to be paid in return
      of achieve it.

      To focus on this point logically, you’ve to remember the victims that had been purged even directly by this bacterial germ called Israel or by its bloody tools, such ISIL, Mossad, and so on. Recall that Islam is completely disallowing killing innocent people whoever they are or their belief and so Christianity too.

      We used to live in peace until this bacterial germ called Israel appeared in our area. I still remember that many people at my region – for the minimum– had knowing nothing about different theories even about their religion or other religions, and so Christians were in sometime. But now, whole believers fight each other in the sake of demanded heaven as it appears generally.
      While the true goals behind feeding and enhancing such a struggle is just to cover massacres that had been committed by this bacterial germ called Israel even in Palestine and on Palestinians or everywhere against
      its oppositionists. Of course, there were many reasons to establish this conflict, for example to achieve some of dirty commercial goals in the Middle East.

      Lately, there are more than 7000 people most of them were women and children had been killed just like that since a couple of months that this attack of Saudi-British-American started on Yemen, and what for? For defeating terrorism as they said in the same time they pay thier terrorists to do whatever they do in somewhere else. -Iraq,
      Syria and Libya for example-.

      Remember that when Arab public decided to go against their governments they did it in the same time that this bacterial germ called Israel faces blaming everywhere due to its massacres on Gaza. And the relation between Arab people and their governments wasn’t in the dangerous level at all. They used to face more than that before.

      But now, all what you need is just having a quick look on Arab countries to see how much the destroying and massacres they found themselves in it, and for what a goal? No need to answer that.

      • AmYisroelchalelYahud

        Another inbred loser keep cursing because the God of Abraham said those who curse I will curse and those who bless you I will bless, and look at the moslems cant even make peace among st themselves, Israel could terminate the mongrels in iran in a day, all gone no 12 th iman riding on a donkey there, and it will, then you can cry in your acid that you throw on your womens faces, because nothing like now you pinheads can do. BTW did your female family members get mutilatied? is that Israels fault to. Grow up and use the kaka between your small head, and take resoponsibility instead of blaming a small country which would thrash anything any army including the manyacs from iran into the dust,

        • Joe Freeman

          Well, better get ready to do some thrashing then. Because Israelis and Kurds are the only two groups in the middle East not associated with crazy ragheads that know how to fight and will.

          Better make friends with and start shipping the Kurds all the equipment you can too.

      • Bobby English

        WHY ARE YOU SO IGNORANT?

        BOTH ISRAEL AND SAUDI ARABIA WERE CREATED BY THE ENGLISH/AMERICANS.

        OPEN YOUR EYES & SEE THE LIGHT:

        THE JEWISH RABBI WHO BECAME THE FIRST CALIPH

        JEWISHENCYCLOPEDIA

        The unedited full-text of the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia

        SCHWARZ, JOSEPH:

        Palestinian geographer; born at Flosz, Bavaria, Oct. 22, 1804; died at Jerusalem

        Feb. 5, 1865. When he was seventeen years old he graduated as teacher

        from the Königliches Schullehrerseminar of Colberg, after which he joined his brother Israel at the University of Würzburg, where for five years he devoted himself to the history and geography of the Holy Land, and published a map of Palestine (1829; republished at Vienna, 1831, and Triest, 1832). It was his ardent desire, however, to study in Palestine itself the physical history and geography of the Holy Land, where his knowledge of Talmudic sources and early Jewish writers would be of more service. Accordingly he decided to settle in Jerusalem, whither he went in 1833. Schwarz then began a series of journeys and explorations in various parts of Palestine, to which he devoted about fifteen years.

        The results of his investigations and researches into the history, geography, geology, fauna, and flora of that country have placed him in the front rank of Palestinian explorers and geographers. HE IS THE GREATEST JEWISH AUTHORITY ON PALESTINIAN MATTERS SINCE ESTORI FARHI (1282-1357), the author of “Kaftor wa-Feraḥ.”

        (Be sure to Google this article:

        HISTORY OF PALESTINE 614-1096 C.E.
        From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.
        By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850

        Rabbi Shallum, son of the then Resh Gelutha, in Babel, aka Abu Bachr al Chaliva al Zadik, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, was in fact: Rabbi Shallum, son of the then Resh Gelutha, in Babel, perceiving this dreadful predicament, went to Mahomed, and offering him his submission, friendship, and services, endeavoured to enter with him into a friendly compact. Mahomed accepted his proposition with pleasure, conceived a great affection for him, and took his daughter, a handsome young girl, for wife; he made him also a general in his army, and gave him the name of Abu Bachr al Chaliva al Zadik, literally:

        The father of the maiden, the descendant of the righteous; this means, that of all his wives, who were either widows or divorced women, this one was the only one who had never been married before, and then she was the granddaughter of the celebrated chief of the captivity; therefore, the descendant of the righteous. This occurrence induced Mahomed to give up his terrible intention to destroy the Jews in his country, and thus did Rabbi Shallum save his people.

        THE BETRAYAL

        [Why Muhammad hated alcohol]

        Abu Bachr and Aliman now resolved among themselves to remove the dangerous enemy of the Jews, Bucheran. One evening Mahomed, Bucheran, Aliman, and Abu Bachr, were drinking together; the latter two soon saw that Mahomed and the astrologer were strongly intoxicated, and lay stretched out in a deep and profound sleep. Abu Bachr thereupon drew the sword of Mahomed from its scabbard, cut off therewith Bucharan’s head, and put the bloody sword back into its receptacle, and both then lay themselves down quietly near Mahomed to sleep. When Mahomed awoke and saw his friend lying decapitated near him, he cried out in a fury: “This terrible deed has been done by one of us three in our drunkenness!” Abu Bachr thereupon said quite unconcernedly: “Let each one draw his sword, and he whose weapon is stained with blood, must needs be the murderer!” They all drew their swords, and that of Mahomed was completely dyed with fresh blood, which proved thus clearly to his satisfaction that he had murdered his friend. He was greatly grieved at this discovery; cursed and condemned the wine which was the cause of this murder, and swore that he never would drink any more, and that also no one should do so who wishes to enter heaven. This is the cause why wine is prohibited to the Mahomedans.

        At a later period, Mahomed learned the whole transaction, and that his father-in-law was the perpetrator of the bloody deed; wherefore, he lost his favour, and he would not permit him to come before him. Abu Bachr went thereupon and conquered sixty places, which had not yet submitted to Mahomed, and presented them to him, through which means he became again reconciled to him, was received in favour, and remained thereafter at court.

      • Scott Galinsky

        but, how do you really feel?

      • Mel

        These are very anti-Semitic things to say. You appear to have forgotten that Jews were buying what was always their original homeland for 10x the value from Arabs during the 1800s. Before that, Arabs were overtaxing their own (Arab peasants) in the same area (i.e., Israel, which even the Q’uran says always belonged to the Jews). You also seem to forget that it was Britain (rather than Jewish settlers) which declared Israel a state in 1946, so why not wage eternal war against Britain? Even further, you also forget the fact that Arabs lost WW2 because Arabs aligned with Hitler. http://www.middleeastpiece.com/dispossession_arabmethods.html

    • Samir Halabi

      You Idiots don’t know or understand the meaning of Zionism. When many Hebrews were taken as captives to Babylon (Iraq today) “By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down and wept when we remembered Zion” Zion is mentioned around 157 in the Jewish bible (Torah) Zionism is the national aspirational Movement of the Jewish people. Other people in the world have their own National movements, however it’s only the Jewish people’s national movement that so many people in the world have objections to. You are all a bunch of Jew-hating freaks.
      It will be people like you who will suffer the consequences of your age old long Jew-hate intolerance.
      Jews didn’t appear overnight in Israel,there were always Jews in that land even after the great Roman dispersion staring in earnest from 70AD after the destruction of the second Temple including the sacking of the City of Jerusalem. There are also many Palestinians forcedly converted by the sword into Muslims hundreds of years ago,
      Who know their descendants were Jewish and many who are coming back to Judaism once again. Their DNA was found to match other Jews in Israel, The Mizrahi Jews (Middle Eastern) The Sephardic Jews (from Spain till 1492 then all over the Turkish Empire, Turkey, Greece, Bulgaria, Italy, Bulgaria, Albania, Romania) many also went from Spain to Egypt, to Morocco, to Algeria, to Tunisia, to Libya, to Syria, to Lebanon, to Hamburg, Germany to Holland, some even ended up in Poland and India, the DNA of some Palestinians also a complete match to the so called Ashkenazi Jews of Germany, Russia, Poland, You term them as European Jews however, 95% of all Jews look Semitic, there was only a small amount of admixture as well as some non-Jews (Gentiles) converting to Judaism not more than around 5-6% of Jews don’t look Semitic. The Jews never stole any land because Palestine as a state never existed , there was never a kingdom of Palestine, Palestine was the Latin (European name) given to Judea by the Romans. The Romans renamed Judea Palestina after the Philistines a Greek island seafaring People who originated from the Isle of Crete. These people disappeared some 600 years before the Romans entered the scene. The philistines were the enemies of the Hebrews today Jews. The Romans called all Hebrews Judeans, So that is where you get the word Jews from. many of the land owners in Palestine during the Ottoman and British Mandate period were absentee landlords, living in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, they leased their land to peasnat Arab farmers who never owned the land, much of the land anyway was malaria infested uninhabitable, The land was cleared by Jewish workers, much land was also bought from these absentee landlords. The Palestinian Arabs that stayed on in Israel after the 1948 israel-Arab war of independence numbered around 150,000 today they make up 20% of the total population of israel. They are full citizens of Israel, serving in the Knesset, (Parliament) The Druze community and bedhuin Arabs serve in the Israel Defence Forces. The 450 to 5000,000 Arabs of Palestine either left in may 1948 because they were scared of war, many were also told to leave by the Arab league who told them to leave their homes for the present time, but they soon could return after all the Jews were either killed or forced out, that they not only would return to their former homes, but they could also expect to have as a bonus all the homes and property of the Jews.

      • Joe Freeman

        Christ what a load of bullshit. The fact is a bunch of Muslims lived there for 2000 years after the Romans dispersed the Jews all over the Med basin. Through a series of questionable acts and transactions including the Balfour Declaration during WWI you got the Brits to let a whole bunch of Jews into the country.
        The Brits pulled out, the Muslims tried to throw the Jews out. Didn’t work so well for them. Instead a bunch of the Muslims got thrown out. And kept out. After the 1967 war the state of Israel had captured a lot of Muslim land. They kept it. The Muslims couldn’t get it back.

        The Jews took the land by right of conquest, and can keep it as long as their discipline and technical advantages outweigh being outnumbered about 1 billion to 8 million. Which means the Jews need to be the only ones in the area holding nuclear weapons, and they’d better have a REALLY GOOD anti missile defense because weaponized diseases and persistent nerve agents can still destroy the country. There are 8 million Jews packed inside 8000 square miles surrounded by 1.6 billion Muslims. Who hate them.

        Not a good long term survival strategy. Been tried before. I refer you to the Christian kingdoms of Outremer beginning in 1098 A.D. and ending around 125 years later.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Sorry, before the Bar-Koba revolt, there were many more Jews outside of Palestine than inside, mostly from conversion. After the Romans suppressed the revolt and removed a few thousand troublemakers, the rest gradually converted to Islam. Look up Israeli historian Shlomo Sand.

          The people do hate the Ashkenazi genocidal invaders because they are Jewish, but because they are genocidal invader thugs.

          Before the arrival of the predatory European ZioNazis in Palestine, the Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together much more peaceably than the Europeans.

          • Joe Freeman

            The fact remains that the Jews lost their so called homeland during ROMAN times.

            They repossessed it due to a double cross of the Arabs who had been promised self determination by Britiain in exchange for help against the turks in WWI. B ritain was running out of money and did a deal with the Jewish banking community for money in exchange for a document promising the Jews Palestine. Britain finally published the document, the Balfour Declaration. Britain also arranged to have the Palestinian Mandate after WWI. Britain further allowed mass immigration of Jews into the area thereafter.

            The British left in I believe 1948 after numerious attacks by outlaw Jewish gangs ( I refer you to the Stern Gang as an example, as well as Irgun. The Palestinian Arabs were also attacking the British soldiers.

            Immediately following the British departure 6 or 6 Arab countries launched an attack on the Jews. They lost. During the war there was mass flight by Arabs from the area. They were not permitted to return and their land and homes were transferred to Jews.

            The Muslims were no more successful in the 1954 war. In the 1967 war Israel launched a preemptive strike on Syria and Egypt. In 6 days they won this war, taking extensive additional land including the Golan Heights, and the West Bank, as well as the Sinai.

            In 1973 the Muslims launched a (more or less) surprise attack on Israel. They were equipped with fairly front line Russian hardware. In particular their antiaircraft missiles and anti-tank missiles gave the Israelis a very bad time. Again the Israelis won, and had Russia not intervened, causing the US to rein in Israel, the Egyptians would have lost an entire army which was cut off in the desert. Again the Israelis took land and territory,

            I neither condone nor condemn the Jewish actions. The fact of the matter was that prior to WWI the Arabs in the region were ruled (not kindly) by the Turks. After that they were ruled by the British. And after that, they fought a war, lost, and lost their homeland.

            In history this is not uncommon. The people who occupy places today frequently displaced other peoples from the land they occupy. Usually through wars. The Jews will occupy the area as long as they can muster sufficient strength and technological advantage to do so. After that they will be displaced. I estimate this will happen within 25 to 50 years.

            The Muslim rant against the Jews occupying the area formerly known as Palestine is stupid and pointless. If they want the land back they should take it back,when they can.
            At present they cannot. To claim that one group of people or another have a historical imperative that gives them a right in perpetuity to the land is not borne out by history.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Wrong! The people who converted to Judaism, like the Ashkenazi, never lost any home land. The large majority of of the Semite Jews never lost their home either, although most of them gradually converted to Christianity, then to Islam, like most of other Palestinians.

              You admit that the European genocidal invasion of Palestine was a trmendous crime by pointing to other crimes by other people in barbaric times. In other words, you blundered into admitting that the European Zionist genocidal country stealers are a gang of barbaric thugs. Good for you.

              You even blunder in forgetting that the Arabs rising against the Turks in return for the promise of self determination was a big factor in the Allied victory. So the Arabs did not lose the Great War. Rather they had the fruits of their victory stolen from them by the European Imperialists and Zionist thugs.

              Your ranting argument was silly and pointless. You advocate the abandonment of all justice and the enthroning of might makes right.

              Recognize that you are receiving the same lack of respect that you evince.

    • bremont

      the zionist kingdom of saudi arabia and israel the perfect match to destroy the muslim faith. while CNN films. the children’s cry while they die.

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    • neroden

      The US is run by complete, utter idiots. Every weapon mailed to Saudi Arabia or the other autocratic dictatorships in the region is a weapon which will end up being used to shoot at US troops. It won’t prevent these dictatorships from falling; they’ve got nothing going for them except oil and the oil is about to become unimportant. Sadly it will take 10 years for oil to become irrelevant.

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    • Very interesting and useful article. But, I won’t go into the details of current politics as I do not recognise Arabia as a Muslim country or even an Islamic State! It is run by a fanatical Sect under instructions from Washington and Israel or International Jewry. Had they not worked for US-ISRAEL all along, planes carrying Pilgrims would have been seen exploding in the air each year!

      I was still in my teens when I realised that Arabia was owned and ruled by Jews, Zionists, CIA, Europe, and the UNO. This made me vow that I will never perform pilgrimage to Mecca as long as Arabia would be under CIA-ISRAEL OCCUPATION! I am now going on 70 and I never not only set foot in Occupied Arabia (Saudia), but I also found out that the majority of Muslims worldwide (including the ARab speaking people) were not practicing TRUE ISLAM at all, but a false religion or false religions they call Islam and FALSE GODS, mainly Usury and Western Capitalism and Systems of Kufr!

      That Islam is the greatest religion I have known is beyond doubt in my mind and according to my research and life experiences, but is as useless as Christianity given the fruits they both have produced! Satanism has conquered God and all religions!

      Arabia is not rich or even a modern Nation and Civilisation, and only the puppets who worked for the West are since the demise of the decadent Ottoman Empire. Arabia has no military power or weaponry except what the USA and Europe are controlling or are using themselves from bases in the Arab countries that are still under foreign occupation, like Dubai, Qatar, the “Emirates”, etc.

      Satan rules the entire world including the Muslims!
      BAFS
      Monday 28 September 2015

      • neroden

        The King of Saudi Arabia works for nobody but himself and his own family!

      • Guy New

        Satanism has conquered God and all religions! = so very very true = all religions are the beast antichrist system

      • Joe Freeman

        Well, doesn’t look like you’re a devout Muslim since a pilgrimage to Mecca is required of all Muslim males during their lifetime.

        Which means no Paradise or 77 virgins for you old boy.

        Hope you enjoy Iblis.

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    • chrisworthem@yahoo.com

      The enemy of my enemy is my friend is the situation here as is the case in many middle eastern partnerships! The good old days of playing the Iranians against the other sunni states has been disrupted by isis & al qaeda becoming powerful enough to take over entire countries! The result has left the US & it’s allies nothing but undesirables as possible victors in the conflicts! Apparently the only thing sunni & shia muslims hate more than Israel & the West is each other! God help us if either side obtains nuclear weapons as each will most likely destroy the other before the other side obtains the same weaponry!

      • Bobby English

        ISIS:

        CONCEIVED IN AMERICA – BORN IN IRAQ – REARED IN JORDAN – TRAINED BY MOSSAD – FINANCED BY SAUDIS

        Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East and advance Israeli interests.

        They call themselves Islamic State (IS). They pretend to be a new caliphate.

        But their behavior is radically un-Islamic… even satanic. And their so-called caliphate is actually a false-flag operation against Islam.

        A better acronym would be US (Unislamic State). The initials are apt, since Unislamic State is the creation of the US and its regional allies. Their mission is to smear Islam, spread sectarian strife, destabilize the Middle East, and provide an excuse for endless US intervention in the Islamic world.

        Former al-Qaeda commander Nabil Na’eem has exposed Unislamic State as a creation of the US and its Persian Gulf puppets. The intellectual authors of this Fourth Generation Warfare operation are neoconservative Zionists and New World Order satanists. The victims are the people of the Middle East… and the American people, who have been bled dry by the 9/11 wars.

        Na’eem has explained that the camps in Jordan where Unislamic State was created, armed, and trained were “supervised by US Marines.” He adds that the group’s funding is “all-American” and that more than one thousand of its terrorists are being treated in hospitals in Tel Aviv.

        Unislamic State sponsors sham marriages to disguise liaisons with prostitutes. They rape and murder people purely on the basis of religious belief. They are committing genocide against religious minorities in Iraq and Syria, just as the Zionists are committing genocide in Palestine. They are doing everything possible to make Islam look bad.

        This has nothing to do with Islam. It has everything to do with the false-flag-based, 9/11-triggered New World Order war on Islam.

        The grotesquely un-Islamic nature of Unislamic State is on display for all the world to see. These people post “selfie” videos cannibalizing the inner organs of battlefield corpses. This is the tradition of Hind – one of the worst-ever enemies of Islam – not the tradition of Islam, which insists on chivalrous battlefield behavior more fervently than any other group in history ever has. (The whole conception of chivalry, or futuwwa, is an Islamic invention that came to the West through al-Andalus, otherwise known as Islamic Spain.)

        The terrorists’ most recent youtube outrage: A video showing Unislamic State terrorists slaughtering Kurdish members of the Yazidi faith. The helpless Yazidi civilians are tied up, blindfolded, forced to kneel… and then their throats are cut as the satanic terrorists chant “Allah, accept our (human) sacrifice.”

        This behavior is not just un-Islamic. It is satanic.

        The word for sacrificial animal in Islam is qurban. Every year during Eid al-Adha, the biggest Islamic holiday, Muslims sacrifice a sheep to commemorate God’s staying the hand of Abraham, who had prepared to sacrifice his son. The Eid holiday celebrates this event, which decisively put an end to human sacrifice for the whole monotheistic tradition of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

        Calling a human being a qurban, and then cutting his throat, is the most insanely sacrilegious practice anyone could imagine. Any Muslim with a first-grade religious education knows that a person who does such a thing must be a satanist, not a Muslim.

        The chief hallmark of satanism is its refusal of monotheism’s decisive rejection of human sacrifice. Whereas the biggest holiday for Christians is Christmas, which celebrates the end of human sacrifice through the birth of the Messiah – and the biggest holiday for Muslims is Eid, which celebrates the abolition of human sacrifice through the story of Abraham and his son – satanists use an assortment of pagan holidays as excuses to sacrifice innocent people, mostly children, at their blood-soaked altars.

        When someone claiming to be Muslim conducts a ritual sacrifice of a human qurban, as the Unislamic State terrorists do, they are performing a satanic parody of the Muslim Eid ritual. Such parodies are another hallmark of satanism. Throughout the history of Christendom, satanists have held “black masses” in which the Catholic mass is parodied and victims are sacrificed… just as the Muslim Eid sacrifice is parodied by the Unislamic State terrorists’ slaughter of innocents.

        How did this group of satanists posing as “radical Muslims” appear on the scene? Understanding the background of Unislamic State requires a background briefing on the Fourth Generation Warfare techniques of the satanic New World Order elite.

        The Western ruling elite is infested with satanists, who are a prime force behind the “war on terror,” which is actually a war on Islam and a war on God. Whistleblower Kay Griggs, the former wife of a US military officer, has documented the satanists’ penetration of the highest levels of the US military. Griggs says her husband forced her to participate in the most disgusting satanic rituals imaginable. She explains that these satanic practices are commonplace among top US military commanders.

        One of the main strategists of the Fourth Generation Warfare operation known as the “War on Terror” is Col. Michael Aquino, the former head of all US military psychological warfare operations. Before being promoted to the post of Psy-Ops Chief, Aquino was expelled from the Church of Satan for being too evil, and then implicated in one of the most horrific child abuse scandals in American history.

        It’s amazing what you have to do to get promoted in the US military.

        Many of America’s top satanists are members of Skull and Bones, a group whose initiation ritual is too disgusting to be described here. The whole Bush family is Skull and Bones. This group dominates the drug-dealing wing of the CIA, and is reputed to engage in larcenies that occasionally total in the trillions of dollars. Examples include the theft of Japanese gold after World War II, and the looting of Leo Wanta’s 27.5-trillion-dollar haul from the CIA demolition of the USSR’s currency during the final decade of the Cold War.

        The satanists’ New World Order project took a quantum leap forward in 2001. Their War on God was product-launched by the 9/11 public relations stunt, a satanic ritual mass human sacrifice that doubled as a global mind-control operation. For the gory details proving 9/11 was a satanic ritual, read S.K. Bain’s The Most Dangerous Book in the World, William Ramsey’s Prophet of Evil: Aleister Crowley, 9/11 and the New World Order, and Mujahid Kamran’s 9/11 and the New World Order… and listen to my Truth Jihad Radio interview with scholar Tom Breidenbach entitled “Was 9/11 a Human Sacrifice?”

        One of the ways the satanists wage their War on Islam is by staging grotesque parodies of Islamic rituals and practices. For example, the World Trade Center – which was built by the Rockefellers expressly for destruction in the 9/11 satanic sacrifice – included a sphere “designed by trade center architect Minoru Yamasaki to mimic the Grand Mosque of Mecca, Masjid al-Haram, in which The Sphere stood at the place of the Kaaba” (Wikipedia). That sphere, representing the parodied kaaba – the cube in Mecca toward which all Muslims pray – was destroyed in the immolation of the Twin Towers and their inhabitants.

        The satanists also parodied Islam by having the patsies hired to play the role of “9/11 hijackers” engage in ludicrously un-Islamic behavior. The Mossad impersonator playing the role of Mohamed Atta relished pork chops, strip clubs, hard liquor, drugs, and gambling excursions. The other “radical Muslim hijackers” led similar lifestyles. The night before 9/11, they got drunk in a bar and left an alcohol-soaked Qur’an on their table.

        The day after 9/11, the authorities claimed they had solved the case by recovering Mohamed Atta’s supposed last will and testament from a suitcase that miraculously was left off the supposed Flight 11, which allegedly hit the North Tower. Atta’s alleged will begins: “In the name of God, myself, and my family…” This absurd opening is a satanic parody of the Islamic bismillah: “In the name of God, the merciful the compassionate.”

        No Muslim would ever write the blasphemous phrase Atta supposedly wrote. And no hijacker planning to crash a plane into a building would put his will in his suitcase that was supposed to be aboard the plane.

        And no Muslim would even dream of asking God to accept their sacrifice… and then sacrifice a human being. Such a thing is unimaginable.

        The New World Order satanists are laughing at us. Their laughter is truly diabolical.

        And the Unislamic State’s pseudo-caliphate – a psychological warfare operation designed to impede the very “Islamic unity” project that the notion of the caliphate symbolizes – is one of their sickest jokes.

        Press TV has conducted an interview with Webster Griffin Tarpley, an author and historian, from Washington, to discuss the crisis in the Middle East.

        What follows is an approximate transcription of the interview.

        –Press TV: In your perspective, if the United States and its Western and regional allies had not actually supported and created armed groups in Syria to fight against the Syrian government would we be seeing the same situation as we’re witnessing today with ISIL?

        –Tarpley: I think the fact of the matter is that NATO forces, the United States, Britain and France, are very much behind the creation of ISIS or ISIL. The general idea is that these were fighters that were trained in those NATO camps in Jordan.

        The money comes from Saudi Arabia. The main moneybag seems to be Prince Abdul Rahman al-Faisal. He’s the brother of Saud Al-Faisal, the Foreign Minister, also the brother of Prince Turki, the former Ambassador here to the United States.

        The people composing this group have been brought in from Libya at the end of 2011. I’m afraid Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi played a role in that. They were transferred to Turkey and then moved into northern Syria. It’s a well-known group of death squad fanatics starting off as unemployed men with no future despair and so forth, and then given this to do.

        More—

        http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/24/376396/nato-behind-creation-of-isil/

        http://memoryholeblog.com/2014/09/15/isis-israeli-secret-intelligence-service/

    • EE

      Islam creates confkict and spreads like a bacteria for 1500 years leaving behind necrotic vestiges of once great kingdoms and people. To the folks who argue that arabs are gentically more identical to ancient jews than the European Jews that populate half of Israel: You are right! But why? BECAUSE ISLAM KILLED, forced out OR FORCED JEWS AND CHRISTIANS UNDERNEATH THEIR EMPIRE TO CONVERT, until they were nearly gone. Now the muslims fight each other. Islam has conflict wherever it goes. Not just Israel. Europe, US, Asia, Austrailia, Africa. Even intheir own countries. Then they blame others. Go figure. Evil is blind.

      • 3ajeeb

        Saudi arabia, the beloved Israeli nation and the version of religion it spreads is a tool in isael’s hand. Otherwise, how can u explain the great relationship it has with the US and Israel?

        Saudi version of Islam “Wahhabism” is a problem, and abdulwahhab the founder of Wahhabism was performing duties handed down by the British to saudi’s. He is seen in aphoto posing with a British official!

        • EE

          Stop trying to turn the simple into strange and styupid. Even enemy countries have commonalities. Andnsometimes even wrong, despotic entities start to come around.

          97% of the middle east is muslim. The greatest expanse of religious purity in the history of the world, yet somehow trying to position Itself as oppressed, and victimized. Enough lies. Islam got that way with 1500 years of terror. Islam is bringing the Arab world and the rest down because it is backwards, punishing others, gays women, and even muslims. Enough. You rationalize even terrorism. You blame others for muslim crimes. Muslim losses, muslim poverty, muslim tyrants. Enough. Too many muslims hold their people back, maybe you can be one to bring them forward.

          • 3ajeeb

            First step in figuring out the solution is knowing the reason. Now, the Islamic nation provided alot of the science that we know, and this is well known, well documented, and for those that don’t read or know about history can watch Hollywood movies such as Islam, an empire of faith. To say 1500 years of ignorance shows true ignorance to be honest.

            Western imperialism has done alot of damage, and still, it doesn’t want to leave the middle east and North Africa, as well as most other places on this globe . Conflict, arm sales, religious, ethnic tension, destruction and rebuilding.. etc strengthens it’s grip on the region.

            Only if imperlisim ceases.

            • EE

              No doubt arabs made progress in the past. But in the last 100 years? None. You kill people with soviet guns, and european explosives, and drive foreign cars, and fly foreign planes. Your smartest people flee to the west. israel was a poor backwater land until the jews got there. Now look at it; a century ahead of Islam. Out side of oil, the GDP of the whole arab world is less than Israel”s. And after WW2 asia was just as poornas the middleeast! And look at them now. There are one million people for every seat at a university in the arab world. There is so much poverty, and violence, and ignorance. Easy for such people to believe in nonsense conspiracies. And to blame others. Saudie kingdom synonymous with greed, all that wealth not one refugee rescued. Shame on the Arabs. Face your faukrs and weaknessesebb not everyone isnin a pact to screw muslims, only Muslims are.

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                What a blind bigot you are! You claim that the wealth the West got invading other nations is reason for more savage crimes against humanity.

                Shame on the Zionist predators for disgracing Judaism with their sick assaults on other people!

                • EE

                  The arabs had every opportuntiy to turn their countries around. Sadly, radicals or traditionalist religious and powerful groups threatened progressive regimes andnkept their people living in squalor. Arabs seem to think that whatever country u they dont have has the secret natural resources for success, but theybdestpy whatever they take.

                  North africa and the middle east were once prosperous, then Islam took over.

                  100 years ago 40 of the middle east was not muslim. Today but 3.0% and still muslims cry about their own genocides.

                  Muslims demand to live in other countries, but no one but muslims can live in *their land*. Ridiculous. Muslimslims never look inside for their failings on women, finance, integration, education, environmental protection, tolerance, or any topic you can think of. So that is why i do not like muslims. That is why i detest the idea of eating at a muslim restaurant. Because your people lack the ability to answer for their mistakes. And rather support more of them.

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    Thank you for demonstrating again what a blind, ignorant, and savage bigot you are!

                    Too bad for your sick, lying kind, the vile history of the European Zionist colonialist invasion is free on the Internet to destroy the wicked con game you psychopath Zioninsts have been peddling for so many years. We, who stand outside, who once were fooled, looked upon your type and your Zionist con game with all the contempt they deserve.

                    These references are only a part of the vast documentation free on Internet that destroy the Zionist con game.

                    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/11/the-battle-for-palestine/
                    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/23/the-battle-for-palestine-part-two/
                    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/24/the-battle-for-palestine-part-three/

                    by William R. Polk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Polk), who taught Middle Eastern history and politics at Harvard

                    http://www.1948.org.uk/

                    http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid

                    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41864.htm

                    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

                    http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

                    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/08/20/israeli-palestinian-musicians-subversive-critique-of-mizrahi-politics-culture/

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                    Plan Dalet
                    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19199199/Plan-Dalet-Master-Plan-for-the-Conquest-of-Palestine-by-Walid-Khalidi
                    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/dalet-another-dirty-word-in-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/dalet-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                    http://www.alanhart.net/the-green-light-for-zionisms-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

                    • EE

                      You mean like the current muslim conquest of the entire free world? Lets see how long it takes befire it leass to a war in france. You are hateful. Backwards. You sodomozing, sexually repressed, goat loving, barbarian, following a pedophilic schizophrenic false prophet.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Amazing! You show again what a sick, vile bigot you are! Those refugees you mindlessly abuse were caused by Western assaults on their homelands.

                        Hey, if your reading ability was at all up to par, you would have gathered that I’m not Arab or Muslim. I’m American and atheist, and simply find your type of racist barbarism revolting, especially when you yammer the most uninformed filth. I’m also revolted by the way you Zionist parasites grab our tax money and corrupt our politicians.

                        I bet you know only how to write silly comments on the Internet, not use it to do any research to relieve that abysmal ignorance of yours.

                        I bet you can’t even come up with one reference to support your silly contention of ” the current muslim conquest of the entire free world.”

                        But please continue… I’m using you as another example of how disgusting Zionists are.

                      • EE

                        Ok, answer me this big guy,

                        Saudie Arabia has 1,000000 air conditioned tents , yet they do not allow syrian to enter.

                        Why?

                        Saudie Arabia and other rich arab statss fund both publicly and privately much of ISIS , and yet accept no refugees.

                        No middle east country except israel allows for the building of new churches. In israel muslims jews and christians and atheists like you and me can practice and switch religions as they like. This is not allowed in muslim countries, WHY?

                        APOSTACY IN SAUDIE ARABIA IS PUNISHABKE BY DEATH. WHY?

                        pedophilia is condoned by arab clerics because Muhammed did so. HOMOSEXUALITY IS BANNED BUT RAPING BOYS IS COMMONPLACE. JUST ASK THE US SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN. ONE LOST HIS LIFE BECAUSE HE REPORTED IT..

                        Muslims teach their kids songs about hate from age 3 or 4. Have them dress up in fake suicide vests and sing about becomg martyrs. They marry their girls off as young as 6yrs. WHY?

                        WHEN MUSLIMS START TO ANSWER FOR THEIR OWN FAILINGS then they can start to ask for terms of peace with Israel. 90% of gazans supported continued rocket fire, a month into that war. Why? What did they seek?

                        Mushallah sleeps in a fancy penthouse in Qatar, a billionare. Why? Hamas deals with opposition by dragging them ti death in the streets, why?

                        Answe me without insults, and i wont waste my time insukting you back. I am looking for an intelligent debate, not insults. But i enjoy both.
                        You tube will show you video of all this and more , even a mass wedding of 200 six and eight year old girls Hamas/UNRWA controlled Gaza.

                        So please no insults, but do take a look at a culture you seem to mistakenly pity.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Look at how hard you work to demonstrate yourself a sick bigot in a flailing attempt to excuse violent colonial Zionist invasions to drive people by the hundreds of thousands off their homes.

                        I haven’t given you an insult yet. I’ve just been accurate, and then you rush to prove me right with more calumniating fabrications against the victims of the Zionist crimes against humanity. All you’ve proven here is that rich Arabs can be as sick as Zionists. Please note that Saudi Arabia and Israel are allies because of similar moral decrepitude. Hamas is a creation of the Zionists, so we can expect them to be sick.

                        Only an idiot bigot like you believes that the victims of Zionist savagery hate Zionists for any other reason that they have been immiserated by the Zionists. Leave, and they will be happy to let you sick psychopaths alone.

                        Please continue with denigrating yourself. This is funny.

                      • EE

                        Once again,
                        You call me a *sick bigot*. And you insult my tribe and my country by devaluingnand dismissing its presence and validity, by calling its people simply Zionists.

                        I was not born yesterday. I know you are trying to insult me. You try. Jews bought the land in Israel. they irrigated the deserts, cleared out malaria, and built ports, aņd schools.. and busineses. Arabs always sensing opportunity flocked from neighnoring lands. The carrying capacity of the land west of the Jordan was a lot lowere before Jews *Zionists* moved in. G7ven the proximity and size of arab populations many arabs moved in. Same as mexicans move into america. That said, the mexicans are not trying to reclaim California.

                        The arabs did not want the jews there, and so began the troubles. But what you fail to realize is that without the jews, the New Palestine would fall apart. Just as every muskim country to date. Only faster. So arabs continue to hate and yell and stammer, but like teenage children they un kniw they cannot do it on their own, so they put up with being in Israel or under Israel”s control anyway.

                        And this is not hard for me, this is fun… and there is no Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians because they have more than doubled in number. And there is no apartheid, only security measu r es because rocls and molotov cocktails are not proper ways to demonstrate frustration, or to pass the time.

                        Before the intifadas, most *palestinians* made their money by working for israeli companies or in israel. Now palestinians were not happy with that. But it is common knowledge that before one quits their job at McDonald’s at least make sure to have a j at burger king.

                        in a flight.. hope it wint blow up. Talk to you soon

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Calling you a sick bigot is not an insult. You prove it again and again. Actually, you insult Jews in general, especially the good, decent ones against invading other people with floods of crimes against humanity by trying to equate them with Zionist perverts who do that kind of shameful stuff.

                        You also lie pathologically and stupidly. Anyone can use the Internet to determine that the European Zionist invaders of Palestine bought on 5-7% of the land corruptly and stole the rest.

                        You also lie about the Arabs not wanting Jews among them, since the Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims had lived together mostly peaceably for many centuries. All of them did not want the invading alien European Zionists with a program of conquest and “transfer” of the indigenous population out.

                        Again you lie stupidly about Arab immigration. The Ottoman census data shows 400,000 Arabs living in Palestine before the 1st Aliyah of the European Zionist invasion, and 600,000 when the indigenes of Palestine were supposed to get the self-determination promised them after WWI. So yes, a few tens of thousands of Arabs might have immigrated from surrounding countries, but that did not relieve the many hundreds of thousands already living there of their rights.

                        Again, you lie about Arab countries falling apart. They fall apart because of savage western invasions like you psychopath Zionists did to the people of Palestine.

                        Again, you lie about the people of Palestine not taking care of themselves. They were doing fine before you sickies arrived from Europe to steal their land by manipulations and deprive them of their ancestral farms.

                        Again, you lie about ethnic cleansing. By definition ethnic cleansing doesn’t have to be everybody, just lots and lots of people, which is exactly what you Zionist psychopaths did with your utterly evil Plan Dalet, that drove 3/4 of a million off their ancestral lands by murder and terror. Then you POS’s bulldozed over 600 of their villages and towns.

                        I’m glad you have fun revealing yourself either extraordinarily ignorant or a total liar.

                        Remember, I gave all those sources several comments ago, and there are many more on the Internet that intelligent people can look up. So the days of the Zionist con games playing other than for the ignorant and/or mendacious is now over.

                        Please continue to barf on yourself.

                      • EE

                        Ok, POS stands for Peice Of Feces. That is an insult. Yso let me throw it right back onto you.

                        Now, for the rest, you suggested earliier that saudie arabia is an allie of Israel , and that Hamas is an Israeli tool. Wow. That wouod mean that inn2014 Israel fought itself for 6 weeks?

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Not an insult at all for ZionoNazi international criminals who bulldozed over 600 Arab villages and towns. Coming from you to me, it’s certainly is an insult, because I’m not stupidly defending crimes against humanity like you are.

                        You show yourself perverted and stupid in just repeating what was just said. I said that Hamas was a Zionist creation, not currently a Zionist tool, as you are now stupidly claiming. The Zionists got blow back on their project to screw up the PLA with Hamas. Funny!

                        Why don’t you ever look up anything, like everybody else does? You’ve just a Zionist troll, who hates the truth, and works to fog from everybody else.

                        Here. Try some reading, instead of mindlessly bull sh!tting. If you don’t like being called a POS, then you’ve got to stop operating like one and supporting heavily documented Zionist crimes against humanity.

                        http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/11/the-battle-for-palestine/
                        http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/23/the-battle-for-palestine-part-two/
                        http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/24/the-battle-for-palestine-part-three/

                        by William R. Polk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Polk), who taught Middle Eastern history and politics at Harvard

                        http://www.1948.org.uk/

                        http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid

                        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41864.htm

                        http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

                        http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

                        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/08/20/israeli-palestinian-musicians-subversive-critique-of-mizrahi-politics-culture/

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                        Plan Dalet
                        http://www.scribd.com/doc/19199199/Plan-Dalet-Master-Plan-for-the-Conquest-of-Palestine-by-Walid-Khalidi
                        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/dalet-another-dirty-word-in-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                        http://www.palestinechronicle.com/dalet-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                        http://www.alanhart.net/the-green-light-for-zionisms-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

                      • EE

                        You can call me whatever you want … dont matter and doesnt change the fact that,
                        And i emphsize

                        If the jews werent there this kand would just another version of a hole in the wall, same as any other muslim sovereign entity.

                        Arabs want it. But if they got it, they would turn it into trash, either by civil war, corruption, tyrranny or sheer ineptitude. Then they would need to quickly find another place to fly off to, like locusts.

                        You might be right n about israel developing hamas. Just goes to show how impossible the idea of working with muslms for peace is.

                        ISRAEL IS NOT GOING AWAY, DEAL WITH IT.
                        far more jews were kicked out of arab countries in the years after 48 than the arabs who claim to have been removed from israel.

                        Funny thing, only Palestinian refugees maintain and pass their status for decades and generations. Syrian refugees to the US will be americans in 5 years. And many will still hate America.

                        I do not know what your motivation, or heritage is. One point of another i believe you were misled. Islam did not spread itslef to 97% of the Middleast by being nice. And too many muslims seek to continue their success. Their plan does not stop with the 67 border, or with Jerusalem, or Tel Aviv.

                        Those are the present day facts. Just as they continue to rape and kill christians in Syria and Iraq, and have eliminated the m and Jews from other places already.

                        So if supporting israel is bigoted, we should all be bigots, because Islam’s method is bigotry at its core.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Of course you don’t understand my motivation. I’m a decent human being turned off by stupid liars like you covering a flood of crimes against humanity like you sick Zionist international criminals like you’re doing.

                        Who cares about your yammer about religion by other peoples many hundreds of years ago? You’re stupidly admitting yourself a barbarian by using these ancient crimes as an excuse for the savage one you sick Zionists have been doing to a people also conquered by Muslims who never did you an injury except the one they did by resisting your arrogant savagery. You also show yourself ignorant and stupid by blaming the Palestinians for the results of the U.S, Empire-Israeli-Saudi-Turkish-Qatari crimes in Iraq and Syria.

                        You sick things would have invaded anybody living there, no matter what their religion. You are just a bunch of international pirates using old mythology as an excuse to brutally seize someone else’s homeland.

                        Yes, supporting Israel is savage bigotry because it build by exactly that and torn from the entrails of the indigenous people of Palestine that you sick savages still persecute mercilessly.

                        Instead of whining silly excuses for such perversity, grow up. The world is no longer sucked in your con games, and will bring down your sickness like of South Africa.

                        There are decent people rising among the Israelis, but they are too few and are persecuted by hounds like yourself. You don’t realize it, but look around and you will see the corruption growing like a cancer from your criminal occupation of Palestine.

                        “The Israeli police is one of the most corrupt, inept and violent police forces in the western world”
                        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/09/26/new-israeli-police-intelligence-chiefs-named/
                        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2010/11/10/when-israeli-police-become-criminals-who-protects-citizens/
                        https://www.calsheriffs.org/images/MagazinePDFs/2015-01_CSSA_Magazine.PDF

                        Bigot.

                      • EE

                        Hundreds of years,m continuously up until today and tomorrow. Every single day for 1500 years… this is an extensive complaint but all the same,

                        Muslims have been waging terror and bigotry and genocide and tyrranny and forced conversion, and severe punishments for leaving the faith or marrying outside of it continously for 1500 years.

                        This is fact. There are nice muslims, who may even disagree with these actions their people have taken, but that is islam. And you must be living under a rock not to have noticed.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        How stupid! You mindlessly lump all Muslims for all time together, just as nonsensical as lumping all Christians or all Jews together for all time.

                        You’re going to blame the aggression of the Turks, for example, on the Palestinians. You just show that you are another international criminal looking for an excuse for the vast evil that you sick Zionist pushed against another people, the Palestinians, who haven’t attacked anyone for the two thousand years since the Romans cleared the last rebellion.

                        Amazing that someone would be so perverted as yourself as not to notice that. But heck, you’re a Zionist! You’re made to be a pervert savagely attacking and occupying someone else’s homeland while blaming for all sorts of stuff done by other people as an excuse.

                        Grow a brain and grow up!

                      • EE

                        OMG!! ARE YOU TRYING TO SUGGEST THAT PALESTINIANS TODAY ARE DIRECT AND PURE DESCENDANTS OF THE JEWS WHO FOUGHT THE ROMANS?

                        Samaritan Jews do exist in Judea and have for a ling time, so have Jewish Jews. And so have christians. And yes som Muslim families since the time of the Ummayads ,, but.

                        Tonsuggest that Palestinian is a group onto itslef, bound by centuries of heritage to ancient rome.

                        You might as well insist Seatle give the city back tthe Vikings, or that the natural citizens of Orlando are Mouseketteers .

                        LOL… The UN Recognizes a Palestinian as one who was in or is a dsscendant of one who was in the British Palestinian territory for a period of at least 2, yes TWO years and is not Jewish leading up to the 1948 war that formed the state of Israel.

                        Most Palestinian last names have origins in far away cities such as Baghdad Damascus and so on…
                        You make me laugh. Really. Spending my time waiting to get on a plane. How sad i have to be i. Detroit, the MECCA of the new world even for an hour.

                        Speaking of Mecca, there were Jews in Mecca once. MUHAMMAD called them pigs.,,, you think Muslims today do not follow his word blindly and fill themselves with hate? Ypu think all muslims will stop hating Jews if they got out of *Palestine*? Lol.

                        Many palestinian s moved in to Judea Samaria and Gaza in the 19 years after 48. Some say most of the palestinians. How bizarre.

                        Alot of muslims have Jewish blood in them, but to suggest direct lineage to Roman times, …. my my my. Islam forced their conversions, by threats, by the sword, or by punitive measures, or by closing business opportunities to them otherwise.
                        Why dont these ancient families come up with latin title deeds. Why dont the vast vast majority of them have jewish last names, why do they not speak the language of ancient roman palestina, or aramaic or hebrew or latin?

                        lol. Wow….

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        I don’t have to, you idiot.

                        The present Palestinians have genetics going back over ten thousand years, so you can dispense with the rest of the junk you hurled.

                        Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001)
                        http://rense.com/general48/Palestinians.pdf

                        They were there without invading anyone else all that time, part of other empires, until the gang of European Zionist thugs to which you belong started invading with the modern Zionist purpose of conquest and transferring out the indigenous population. The fact that you think such criminality is okay proves that you are a simple-minded psychopath.

                        Another thing is that you’ve shown a near total ignorance of Islam. The only knowledge you seem to have is bigotry, “my my my. Islam forced their conversions, by threats, by the sword, or by punitive measures, or by closing business opportunities to them otherwise.”

                        Title deeds? You’re kidding, right? Who has title deeds from two thousand years ago? Besides, most title deeds are based upon fictions by which invaders steal the land from the indigenes. By calling for titles, you’ve just admitted that the Zionists are nothing but invading thieves.

                        You’re a wow, alright! You have no argument whatsoever for invading another people and stealing their homes.

                        Sorry, the only argument you have is logical and moral imbecility. But heck! If you had anything genuine, you wouldn’t be a bandit Zionist.

                      • EE

                        Ok again,,, i will try. Much to learn you must.

                        Some arabs have Jewish genes. Thisnis true, becuase Jews have lived and spread their seed throughout the arab world for 2000 years before Islam… muslims in israel are not homogenous. They come from all over the middle east and africa, and they all have some ancient Jewishness to them… this is irrelevant .

                        Your opinion of islam does not change the facts by which it conducted and continues to conduct its conquest. It is sad. But true. They are a violent and backward people. Who teach hate and violence from a young age. They seek peace at the end of a sword, and fight even amongst themselves.

                        90% of muslims in the last century have been killed by muslims, 0.3% by jews and israel, yet all the focus is on Israel…

                        They celebrate terror, like on 911. Even if you think the Mossad did it, somehow, you cannot n hide the videos of *palestinians* celebrating in the street, and praising their peaceful prophet, and believing that somehow theyhad won something, or bested the infidels, the great Satan…

                        IF ALL THE JEWS LEFT TOMORROW, WENT TO LIVE ON MARS, two things will happen.
                        First, civil war will break out in the new palestine, and second, Arabs will eventually claim Mars was theirs first, and demand free travel and refugee status to boot.

                        That is the way of this people. And yes, i lump them together, because arabs lump them together. Nasser wanted palestine for Egypt. Syria wwanted it for syria. saudies wanted it once, jordan too. ISIS. hamas and iran want it now, among others.

                        At least unders the ZIONIST PIGS there is a relative peace for muslims. In the 19 years Jerusalemabout belonged to Jordan, jews were kicked out.. no jews could pray there. At least now there is rekgious pluraluty…
                        And inwish everyday someone would fix islam, but it wont happen. That dont make me a bigot. Nher does the idea that jews and muslims should be able to live in the same country if itnis germany francce the us, israel, or saudie arabia. But some people dont agree, and who are those people..?.?? Oh yeah they are muslims.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Now you’re yammering disconnectedly and showing that you are a hopelessly bigoted and ignorant psychopath trying desperately and failing completely to justify the vast Zionist crimes against humanity against a people who haven’t invaded anyone for thousands of years.

                        So now you absurdly think that the reason that the people you Zionists invaded and savagely drove from their ancestral homes hate you is because they’re Muslims, and not because they hate you for what you did to them. You also stupidly blame them for what other Muslims did.

                        Face it, you’re a stupid, uneducated bigot, with no moral values whatsoever, and that’s all you will ever be.

                        You are a self-confessed ZionoNazi.

                        You are sick.

                      • EE

                        So what you are saying is that unlike all other arabs and muslims, the muslims in palestine are a distinct group unto themselves, peaceful, isolated from other arabs, genetics, space, culture, with no affiliations?

                        Would you please like to explain to me how the family of the father of Palestinian Nationalism Yasser Arafat arrived to Palestine?

                        Would youmalso like to tell me how this ancient and unique people formed borders, and culural distinctions from thenarabs you suggest they have nothing in common.

                        Please. Ypu have my rolling in the airport lobby.

                        Also, tell me all about how Palestinians do not involve themskeves in terror. How the rocket fire into Israel, the running over of civillians, the stone throwing, molotov cocktail lobbing, knifing, and suicide bombings are not acts of terror. Or how terror is justified against zionist babies.

                        Im in a plane now… i can tell you one thing, am pretty sure even the muskim passengers on the other side of the aisle feel better seeing the pilot is not one of them. As would you. And please tell me iis the Jews faukt that i have to take my shoes iff at the TSA too.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        I don’t need to, my boy. Your declared lack of knowledge of history and your stupid bigotry is all you can apparently perceive. But then you could just be lying like most Zionist trolls.

                        Do you think your really think that your fatastical yammering will fool anybody with the Internet available to blow your Zionist con games.

                      • EE

                        Once again younrevert to personal attacks and accusations…

                        I read the pdf you sent me. Impeessive and accurate, at best you could get from it is that both groupsnhad ample reasons to distrust the other. Rhetoric from both sides suggested that war was imminent.

                        Clearing villages, and civilian populations was attempted and performed by both sides, by viokence. Examples to my point inckude various raids on kibbutzs..,

                        But the evacuation of 30,000 arabs from Haifa was at the recommendation of the arab league, with the idea that doing so would allow for the jews there to be overrun. The recommendation was against the advice of the british. It was mistake on the arabs.

                        Arabs from many countries fought, armed well, and led by in e cases british officers. various neighboring countries sought to take this land at least in part from the local arab control. And when Jordan and egypt did so, no *PALESTINIAN* protest was raised. None. Not even when refugee camps of palestinians were built on land that was designated for palestinians. This was done by Jordan and Egypt.

                        their contention that fighting arab sovereignty in the pstinian territory so as to reduce the predicted arab refugee crisis in neighboring countries is intriguing, maybe valid. But so is the premise that they sought to annhilate jews from the land. Yes. And from the newly named west bank and gaza they did. Now i am not a bigot. I am not a zionist, per se. Because even though i lived there andnwas born there i prefer the us. But if i have a right to live in the us alongnwith many other immigrants, somshould jews of all types in Israel, and if arabs were not so violent, thay would have had a country by now right next to it, if not to sha r e with them.. but arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
                        All the best, until i have nothing better to do again, taken c are, and rry not to kill anyone,

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Actually, you are lying again. You European Zionist psychopaths invaded the indigenes of Palestine with the intent of conquest and ethnic cleansing, not they you. Without the savage Zionist invasion, there would be no cause for war, so your claim that both sides are responsible is simply another bald-faced lie. The documentation I presented and all other documentation shows that, even that which is perverted by demonstrable Zionist lies.

                        Sorry, there’s simply no way that you can twist history to support the Zionist con game, when anybody can use the Internet to find out that you’re lying by slicing and dicing history.

                        At no point have I insulted you. If you don’t like accurate description of the criminal Zionist behavior and the support of it, don’t do either. Complaining about accurate descriptions is hypocrisy. How would you feel about about the Holocaust being described in laudatory or even neutral terms?

                        P.S. Your claim that you are not Zionist and a bigot is laughable, considering how you have ranted so much bigotry and Zionist propaganda.

                        Why else would you ignore the long decades of Zionist invasion before Ben-Gurion’s thugs began their final war of seizure in 1947 to rip out the thug state of Israel?

                      • EE

                        Again you use the word indigenous..

                        I say again most were not more than a few uears in that land.
                        And only 250K moved outnin 48. 3.5 times as many jews were forced out of their ancestral homelands in aeab countries.

                        Jews lived in yemen for 2500 years. For example…
                        There used to be many of them….

                        And as for the europeans…. well tecumseh, maybe ypu are full blooded soiux or navaho, or croix seneca or what but otherwise…. stick it in your ear.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Ha, ha! More desperate yammer from another ZionoNazi liar futilely trying to beat the vast resources of information available to us on the Internet.

                        The Zionist con game is failing.

                      • EE

                        Actually the muslims are failing to hold any country together. Do you read the newspapers? Watch tv reports?

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Ha, ha! Look at the stupid, irresponsible bigot shrug off the savagery and consequences of his beloved assaults on other peoples and then slander them for it.

                        Have you ever used the Internet to do a search on “Zionist invasion of Palestine”? it will turn up a lot of information on the horrors perpetrated upon the people you slander by the gang of ruthless Zionist thugs to which you belong.

                        The Zionist con game is failing.

                      • EE

                        Savagery! Compared to ISIS hitler doesnt sound so bad anymore. Saudie Arabia whips reporters to death. Egypt just executed 200 opposition members, turks support isis, fatah has had the same democratic leader for a decade past his term. Pretty sure he is richer now for it. There is no end or beginningnto muslim failings, only fact is it is a constant,….

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Funny! You use Hitler for comparison with an U.S Empire-Israeli-Turkish-Saudi-Qatari enterprise like Isis or the Egyptian and Saudi fascists you ZionoNazis so fervently support.

                        You even think the thug Likud gang of Nutty Yahoo, the clown who glares at the U.N. silently for 43 seconds, is a democracy.

                        Ha, ha, all you do is expose the vast hypocrisy of the Zionist con game.

                      • EE

                        You have lost your mind trying to tie all the things you do not like intonone bow, and pretending that your premise of a peaceful, ancient, distinct and very Palestinian people actually existed at any point in time…
                        You are certifiable. Hope you mother keeps the guns under lock. You crazzzzzzeeee dumbass

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Actually, you’ve just betrayed the psychopathic base of your thinking. You refuse to grant that PEOPLE are important, not what arbitrary designations hung on them or what rulers that afflict them.

                        You are a simple-minded ZionoNazi bested at every turn by truth and logic, so now you disintegrate into silly insults.

                        Even your pathological Zionist con game fails you.

                        We know all about you nasty chickensheets:

                        http://www.voltairenet.org/article163362.html
                        http://www.counterpunch.org/2004/01/16/an-interview-with-benny-morris/
                        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-pappe.html

                        Norman Finkelstein: Amnesty’s Gaza Reports Are ‘Just Israeli Propaganda’ By Nick Mutch
                        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42423.htm

                      • EE

                        If only it was ok for Jews to do to Muslims what muslims do to Muslims and others… . PEOPLE ARE IMPORTANT, GO HELP HAMASS AND ISIS UNDERDTAND THAT. i have heard enoigh palestinians supporting both to know, you are o. The wrong side if you seek to be on the side of good. Your motives are not as you state, or you are too dumb to realize it. Either way lets just agree to stop here.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        How stupid! You still haven’t made any tenable excuse for the wicked European Zionist invasion of the indigenes of Palestine. You’ve actually confessed your Zionist selves to be a bunch of despicable monsters.

                        Please fvck yourself with more barbaric yelping. You’re doing a great job of blowing up the Zionist con game all by yourself.

                        Here, have some help:

                        Israel’s Descent into Barbarism By Norman Finkelstein
                        “Israeli troops go on a rampage in the West Bank, kill Palestinians, demolish Palestinian homes”
                        Posted May 20, 2014
                        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41917.htm

                        In Israel, we walk amongst killers and torturers:
                        In our homes, our streets and our places of work and entertainment, there are thousands of people who killed and tortured thousands of other people or supervised their killing and torture
                        http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.662364

                      • R-Dubs

                        And you think if Israel were controlled by Muslims it would be any better. There is no more intolerant religion/ideology in the world. No doubt you don’t live in a Muslim country. Yes the US is run by psychopaths who can’t stop destroying secular M.E. countries, altering the regional power balance of Sunnis & Shia that simply causes more war. However, if the religion itself didn’t have at it’s core a code glorifying violence, death and oppression then maybe the entire region wouldn’t be so toxic. It is disgusting what the Israeli settlers do attacking Palestinians for picking olives… But what if the olive branch were poisonous to it’s root, with no chance of peace from the beginning. Intolerance breeds intolerance, w/ most people like yourself blind.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Don’t talk silly, the situation in the Middle East would be a heck of a lot better without the foul evil of the European Zionist invasion with its flood of atrocities that continue until the present day.

                        Israel is a monstrous invention of psychopaths, who believed that they had the god-given right to invade, conquer, ethnically cleanse, and occupy another people’s country. Even today they continue their assault of the people of the West Bank having afflicted them with 600,000 more lawless, violent settlers.

                        The Arabs would all do a lot better without the Western invaders poisoning their lives. Don’t condemn the victims.

                      • R-Dubs

                        Well if that’s true, why don’t you get the fvck out of the US, because you have no right to be there (I assume you’re native American right?)

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        So you admit that you have no case for the Zionist assault, ethnic cleansing, and the continuing brutal occupation of Palestine. Very smart.

                      • R-Dubs

                        Yes, so long as you agree to leave the US and stop being an ‘evil european invader’.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Nope, your admission is absolute. You are an evil invader and occupier of the indigenes of Palestine are you savagely persecuting. You are a thug trying to excuse continuing crimes against humanity.

                      • neroden

                        With a screen name containing “Tecumseh”, I would not bet against him being native American, you know…

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Here’s another report about what you sick Zionist fvckheads are doing to other people:

                        http://www.alternet.org/world/inside-israels-kangaroo-courts-where-children-are-held-and-sentenced

                        The whole world is watching!

                      • EE

                        The zionist invaded— at the most 400,000 Jews. That many muslims have invaded Europe last week alone. Ho many muslims live in Detroit? You think Muslims were welcomed wherever they went? They fought, they tortured, they raped, and destroyed to ge to where thay are. And now, you call them indegenous…

                        They are in conflict with Buddhists, Hindus, Seiks, Jews, Christians of every faith, and other Muslims. They are also in conflict with Bahai, and Druze, Zorastrians.

                        There is a common thread. Jews do not have a problem with Jews, or Christians, or any of the other faiths. Neither do Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Sihks, Druze, Bahai. Funny how they works… And yet, you insist that somehow, just this one little group of Muslims, have done no wrong to anyone, and are a peaceful and loving tribe, different from the rest. No. Not really. Hamas and Fatah kill each other quite brutally. They kill their daughters for getting raped, or marry them off as babies. They are just the same as other arabs, backwards, uneducated, racist.

                        They also want what is developed, and vehemently seem to blame others for their problems…

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        More silly yammer from the silly Zionist troll.

                        Others can do Internet searches on Jewish historians and writers like Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, and Alison Weir.

                        You poor, mendacious, hate-peddling Zionist liars are cooked!

                        Israel is being recognized everywhere for being the illegitimate, thug “state” it is.

                        Thug chief Netanyahu is throwing tantrums at the U.N. and disgusting everyone, even the Jewish media.

                      • EE

                        First off lookup on you tube
                        Mass wedding 6 year olds gaza.

                        That is an example ofnone incidce where they married off their daughtrrs at age 6 to men from all over the arab world. Not thencultural

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Citations? Just more of your bigotry, eh? How would fake videos justify the heavily documented crimes against humanity of the invading ZionNazi thugs?

                      • Joe Freeman

                        No, he isn’t. You are an idiot and a fool who knows nothing about the Muslim religion, or its history or the fact that it is essentially locked in a 7th century barbarian way of life and thought.

                        And yes the Jews essentially conquered Palestine after the British pulled out and abandoned their Mandate over the area. The Jews and the Arabs fought. The Jews won. The jews won again in 1954, in 1967 and in 1973. Most of the wars were stated by Arab and/or Muslim countries. The cost of the war was loss of considerable territory. The Sinai was given back to Egypt after Sadat recognized Israels right to exist. Sadat was a realist and a peace maker. He was assassinated for his stance toward Israel by an Egyptian. The only reasonable prime minister the isrealis ever had, (can’t remember his name) was also assassinated by an ultra orthodox Jew.

                        The fact is that the Israelis and the Muslims WANT to fight. Peace is a chimera. it does not not exist and will not exist between these two races until one annhilates the other.

                        They love to fight. So why do you find so many conspiracies by so many entities to explain what is really quite simple.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        The Talmud is much more barbaric than the Qu’ran. That’s why the genocidal ZioNazi thugs invaded Palestine and keep grabbing for more and more land. They are insatiable monsters.

                        If the ZioNazis had never been allowed to invade, the region would be much more peaceful.

                        You are sick.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Remember, my boy, until you European Zionist showed up with your open plans of conquest and ethnic cleansing, Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims had existed together, most very peaceably. So you’re obviously the ones who fouled up the situation.

                        But reading your untutored stuff I can understand why you and your kind can’t see that. Can you cite any of it? Have you ever bothered trying? Or is all this undigested tripe received from a Zionist rabbi?

                      • Joe Freeman

                        You are clearly a moronic liberal who has no grasp or knowledge of history. Islam spread by terror and the sword conquered the middle East, North Africa and jumped the strat of Gibraltar after conquering, forceably converting the Berbers conscripting them as shock troops. They then under Arab hegemony conquered Spain, Portugal and part of France before they ran into Charles Martel and were stopped. Had Martel NOT b een able to stop them, there would be NO Christianity, and no Western civilization as we know it. They did this in about 125 years. A remarkable achievement, documented by the Muslims who kept track and wrote of their conquests, enslavement of Christians who would not convert and become dhimmi. They raped, plundered and killed their way half way or more around the Mediterranean basin. They spread into India, and over a period of about 400 years killed about 200 million Indians in a series of wars that enslaved most of India except for the southernmost part.. When the British came to India, it was primarily the Muslims they fought to establish their control over India. The Ottoman Turks finally conquered the Byzantine empire with the fall of Constantinople. The Ottomans were not stopped until the gates of Vienna, again nearly eradicating Christianity.

                        For you to talk of Muslims living in peace side by side with other religions is a JOKE and a piece of monumental stupidity on your part.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        I know a lot more than that than you. Did you know that Islam requires the giving of alms only from Muslims? The others paid taxes, so why would the conquering Arab Muslims want to kill off all their future tax payers. No, the Arabs did not behave like the genocidal European ZioNazi thugs. The Turks did, but not the Arabs. Here is a Zionist historian reporting on the raping, plundering, and killing of the ZioNazi thug invaders…

                        “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                        “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                        “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                        Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                      • AmYisroelchalelYahud

                        Wasting your time with these mongrels thats why god gave them small heads and now the mosquito illness is going to attack Israels enemies, in the ME, and the only place that will have a cure is Jerusalem, but the BDS would rather moslems die than trade, such a stupid race amazing they can walk upright

                      • Bobby English

                        ISIS IS NOT ISLAMIC:

                        ISIS:

                        CONCEIVED IN AMERICA – BORN IN IRAQ – REARED IN JORDAN – TRAINED BY MOSSAD – FINANCED BY SAUDIS

                        Israel in order to destabilize the Middle East and advance Israeli interests.

                        They call themselves Islamic State (IS). They pretend to be a new caliphate.

                        But their behavior is radically un-Islamic… even satanic. And their so-called caliphate is actually a false-flag operation against Islam.

                        A better acronym would be US (Unislamic State). The initials are apt, since Unislamic State is the creation of the US and its regional allies. Their mission is to smear Islam, spread sectarian strife, destabilize the Middle East, and provide an excuse for endless US intervention in the Islamic world.

                        Former al-Qaeda commander Nabil Na’eem has exposed Unislamic State as a creation of the US and its Persian Gulf puppets. The intellectual authors of this Fourth Generation Warfare operation are neoconservative Zionists and New World Order satanists. The victims are the people of the Middle East… and the American people, who have been bled dry by the 9/11 wars.

                        Na’eem has explained that the camps in Jordan where Unislamic State was created, armed, and trained were “supervised by US Marines.” He adds that the group’s funding is “all-American” and that more than one thousand of its terrorists are being treated in hospitals in Tel Aviv.

                        Unislamic State sponsors sham marriages to disguise liaisons with prostitutes. They rape and murder people purely on the basis of religious belief. They are committing genocide against religious minorities in Iraq and Syria, just as the Zionists are committing genocide in Palestine. They are doing everything possible to make Islam look bad.

                        This has nothing to do with Islam. It has everything to do with the false-flag-based, 9/11-triggered New World Order war on Islam.

                        The grotesquely un-Islamic nature of Unislamic State is on display for all the world to see. These people post “selfie” videos cannibalizing the inner organs of battlefield corpses. This is the tradition of Hind – one of the worst-ever enemies of Islam – not the tradition of Islam, which insists on chivalrous battlefield behavior more fervently than any other group in history ever has. (The whole conception of chivalry, or futuwwa, is an Islamic invention that came to the West through al-Andalus, otherwise known as Islamic Spain.)

                        The terrorists’ most recent youtube outrage: A video showing Unislamic State terrorists slaughtering Kurdish members of the Yazidi faith. The helpless Yazidi civilians are tied up, blindfolded, forced to kneel… and then their throats are cut as the satanic terrorists chant “Allah, accept our (human) sacrifice.”

                        This behavior is not just un-Islamic. It is satanic.

                        The word for sacrificial animal in Islam is qurban. Every year during Eid al-Adha, the biggest Islamic holiday, Muslims sacrifice a sheep to commemorate God’s staying the hand of Abraham, who had prepared to sacrifice his son. The Eid holiday celebrates this event, which decisively put an end to human sacrifice for the whole monotheistic tradition of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

                        Calling a human being a qurban, and then cutting his throat, is the most insanely sacrilegious practice anyone could imagine. Any Muslim with a first-grade religious education knows that a person who does such a thing must be a satanist, not a Muslim.

                        The chief hallmark of satanism is its refusal of monotheism’s decisive rejection of human sacrifice. Whereas the biggest holiday for Christians is Christmas, which celebrates the end of human sacrifice through the birth of the Messiah – and the biggest holiday for Muslims is Eid, which celebrates the abolition of human sacrifice through the story of Abraham and his son – satanists use an assortment of pagan holidays as excuses to sacrifice innocent people, mostly children, at their blood-soaked altars.

                        When someone claiming to be Muslim conducts a ritual sacrifice of a human qurban, as the Unislamic State terrorists do, they are performing a satanic parody of the Muslim Eid ritual. Such parodies are another hallmark of satanism. Throughout the history of Christendom, satanists have held “black masses” in which the Catholic mass is parodied and victims are sacrificed… just as the Muslim Eid sacrifice is parodied by the Unislamic State terrorists’ slaughter of innocents.

                        How did this group of satanists posing as “radical Muslims” appear on the scene? Understanding the background of Unislamic State requires a background briefing on the Fourth Generation Warfare techniques of the satanic New World Order elite.

                        The Western ruling elite is infested with satanists, who are a prime force behind the “war on terror,” which is actually a war on Islam and a war on God. Whistleblower Kay Griggs, the former wife of a US military officer, has documented the satanists’ penetration of the highest levels of the US military. Griggs says her husband forced her to participate in the most disgusting satanic rituals imaginable. She explains that these satanic practices are commonplace among top US military commanders.

                        One of the main strategists of the Fourth Generation Warfare operation known as the “War on Terror” is Col. Michael Aquino, the former head of all US military psychological warfare operations. Before being promoted to the post of Psy-Ops Chief, Aquino was expelled from the Church of Satan for being too evil, and then implicated in one of the most horrific child abuse scandals in American history.

                        It’s amazing what you have to do to get promoted in the US military.

                      • neroden

                        Because Saudi Arabia is run by a mutant, twisted, evil version of Islam called “Wahhabiism”. The Christian equivalent is called “Dominionism”, by the way, and it’s *just as evil* — they want to set up a Christian theocracy in the United States and execute unbelievers.

                        The rest of the Muslim world opposes Saudi Arabia.

                      • Bobby English

                        THE AFGHANS ARE ONE OF THE LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL!

                        CHECK IT OUT!

                      • Sammy

                        All the gays of the world live in israhell

                      • AmYisroelchalelYahud

                        So whats your point achmed? what is it to do with you? all the goat pokers are moslems am I worried? even the manyacs ieaders in iran have goats and wives in the same sleeping quarters, it ok, enjoy them

                      • Bobby English

                        MOSTLY IN TEL AVIV

                      • Joe Freeman

                        Perhaps. But certainly all the male goat and camel molesters live in Muslim countries.

                        Mostly in Iran, Syria, and Iraq. Shiites are particularly fond of sodomizing male goats whom they find more attractive than their women.

                    • AmYisroelchalelYahud

                      6 million Jews in Israel controlling all those stupid arabs and moslem, I say they should get the nobel peace prize, for doing it in such a way that you cant see the strings, of the puppet moslem, bad case of insecurity if all you pinheads can do is blame the Joooze for your sickness, I suggest you take a good look in the queeran,, btw did not mohamed say the Land of Israel is for the children of Moses, so what right have you to say otherwise, Israel is hear to say no matter how much you lot lie and cheat and BDS you have nothing to offer the world you are losers.

                  • Joe Freeman

                    You are correct in your analysis of the failings of the followers of Islam.

                    Of course they deny it like Tecumseh below. Which is a good thing because so long as they cannot recognize their failings they cannot change, and their inability to change in the past 400 years made them the colonies of the West. It’s really a pity that the West gave up the colonies before it extirpated the religion.

                • Joe Freeman

                  And shame on the Muslim killers of women and children, Christians and Jews.

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    You sound like a Zionist genocidal country stealer outraged at being served with something much less.

                    • Joe Freeman

                      Congratulations you f++kwit! You managed 4 buzzwords in a row.

                      The fact of the matter is that I am not a Zionist, nor do I even know any.

                      I would not eradicate any people based on genotype. However, were it in my power I would eradicate the Muslim religion. It is a blot on the face of humanity and has been for 1400 years. (I say that after having read the Suryas and the Koran as well as a great deal of history on the subject of the Muslim religion, its spread, the methods by which it was spread, and the results on the countries to which it spread. I would do this by reversing the way it spread, i.e. the conversion, forced or otherwise of the practitioners of this barbaric, barracks religion which rose in the 7th century and remained frozen in its philosophy and savage practices ever since. I would force the closure of the madrassahs and give the mullahs who preach hate a choice of death or finding another occupation.

                      For your edification and information, countries don’t get stolen. They transfer ownership and/or control via immigration, via conquest, and through other means. I am unaware of any country in history that was “stolen” from its owners. Plenty of countries have changed hands in recorded history however, mostly through violent means. Its called “war”.

                      And yes, I am outraged at the stupid notion the US leadership has of interfering in another country, overthrowing its government based on lies, and then trying to engage in “nation building”. Why? Because it is stupid and does not work. If you find another country’s actions are intolerable, declare war on it, crush it, and then appoint new leadership more sympathetic to your goals. Putin did this recently in Chechnya when he appointed a governor for the country and then publicly stated that he
                      “hoped they liked him”. I doubt that they do, but there are a lot fewer Chechen males able to object these days than 15 years ago.

                      And no, I don’t particularly give a s++t what you think about the above views. You are a moron who refuses to read and understand the history of what you’re talking about.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        You claim your not a Zionist? But you have all the rabid, ignorant ranting, mendacious bigotry of one. You smear Islam with sick enthusiam, while forgetting that the Bible, Torah, and Talmiud have ugliness equal and greater.

                        You are so bigoted that you think it’s okay for imperialists to rape indigenes out of their country.

                        But hilariously stupid and insulting as you are, you are not the least bit original or decent. I know this history far better than you evince with your twisted rendition of it. So after I send this to your silly, insolent mind, I’m am blocking you.

              • Bobby English

                ISRAEL IS THE PARASITE OF EUROPE & AMERICA, SUCKING THE LIFE BLOOD FROM THEM BY THEIR JEWISH CONTROLLED BANKS.

                • Joe Freeman

                  And Islam is a rotten pustule on the buttocks of a diseased camel.

            • Bobby English

              WHEN ISLAM WAS NOT FUNDAMENTALIST, IT DID GREAT WORK IN SAVING THE GREAT WRITTEN WORKS OF THE GREEKS etc!

              BUT WHEN IT RETURNS TO FUNDAMENTALISM, IT DESTROYS EVERYTHING!

            • Joe Freeman

              Muslims practiced imperialism for 1300 years. Then Christian western nations advanced sicientifically and evolved into nations while the Muslims remained tribal based and non-scientific. The Muslim world was then colonized by the West. A welcome change after 1300 years of terror inflicted by Islam, a religion of plunder, avarice, lies, deceit, rapine and killing.

              Get your fu++king history and facts straight goat molester.

              • 3ajeeb

                dear beagle molester, your answer reflects a shallow understanding of the subject. refer to my earlier reply and do feel free to research the subject further using various sources this time, if you care to make this world, in the words of the late MJ, a better place.

          • Bobby English

            JEWS ARE THE CANCER OF THE WORLD, WHO HAVE INFECTED THE WORLD WITH THEIR VILE TEACHINGS FOUND IN THE JEWISH BIBLE & TALMUD!

            • Joe Freeman

              Muslims are the scum of the world. At heart they are liars, cheats, unreliable, lazy, and utterly lacking in redeeming virtues.

              Muslims should be given the same choice they have given Christians for the past 1500 years: Convert to another religion or die.

          • Joe Freeman

            Thank you. History shows that you are correct. Islam is not a religion of peace, but a brutal, barbaric barracks religion designed to inspire 7th century nomads to band together and attack Christians, Jews, Hindus, ion fact anyone who wasn’t a Muslim.

            It was the sole factor that proved able to unite notonly tribes, but nations of Arams, and other middle eastern peoples.

            Twice it almost extinguished Christianity and Western culture.

            The religion should be extirpated before the Muslim world gains enough technical knowledge and strength to be really dangerous. Which WILL happen in another 20 years.

      • Bobby English

        READ NUMBERS CHAPTER 31 IN THE JEWISH BIBLE!

        MUHAMMAD WAS AN ARABIAN JEW – HIS MOTHER WAS JEWISH.

        HE SAW HIMSELF AS A PROPHET LIKE MOSES & BASED ON NUMBERS 31, HE SUCCEEDED.

    • MHASIJO

      Israel is one of those topics that often arouses the worst within people when it’s discussed. Why do people align themselves with those things that brings out their worst instead of their best. I have never read an amicable exchange of comments when it pertains to Israel. It perplexes me how we do all sort of hideous things to one another, as if by doing so, we will preserve ourselves alive indefinitely– if only I insult, hate, kill and steal from you, my life will be better, I’ll live forever. In this world hate has never dispelled hate, only love dispels hate. All of us will pass away, so why do we quarrel.

      • 3ajeeb

        You are right man. And that’s why Israel should have been a fair and true democratic country. But it chose another path. The US, Australia and the like pretend to have laws protecting the rights of the traditional owners of the land, despite the atrocities committed towards those owners in the past. Many people want to live in such countries because they have somewhat moved towards equal opportunities to all. NOT Israel! It doesn’t acknowledge the owners, doesn’t give equal opportunities to people of different origins. It is THE ONLY country that iam aware of that is built on a religious identity ( though far from true Judaism as per Naturi Karta), and pretends to be a democracy!

        The only way for peace to happen is for Israel to own up to its mistakes, Get rid of the talmudic evil it preaches youngsters, and open it’s arms and heart to all the people of Palestine. Equal rights to all.

        Instead of wasting money on arms, it should spend the money on development of people and resources. ISRAEL has that power, to change things, to make up with the owners of Palestine, to drop that bullshit about that temple they have underneath the AlaQsa mosque.

        But so far, there is no political will. The owners of Palestine are viewed as sub humans that don’t deserve to breath.

        Make Israel a true democracy with equal rights to all, and I guarantee that things would be great and love would prevail. Until then, the ball is in hands of the possessors of the owners of nuke bombs, F16s, cobras,..etc

        • yogi9644

          Israel chose that democratic path and has stuck to it despite Arab Muslim terror.
          Israel has no choice but to spend money to defend itself after 70 years of constant Muslim aggression. Dare deny it!

          I look forward to the Israeli-Saudi alliance—this is the first real breakthrough of realpolitik and know this–it, in conjunction with brutal Muslim behavior out of ISIS, will push Hamas into a long-term truce with Israel. When that happens, Fatah will be compelled to come back to the table….two Muslim alliances will finally open up a door between the West Bank and Israel….and it will not require the big lie that you propose.

          Palestinians had multiple chances for a state well before 1948 and turned them down because they wanted it all with no Jewish state. Typical Muslim horseshit. But now Palestinians will have to clean up the horseshit.

          More sadly however, is the growing infestation of Europe by Muslims….Muslims are at war with the West. This will continue to be a serious problem as Europe is fractured by Muslim behavior.

          By the way–why don’t you get an education? Palestinians in Israel have full rights. And those Palestinians in the occupied territory will have them when THEY own up to their obligations–the first is this—THEY MUST ACCEPT THE JEWISH STATE.

          You don’t like this do you?

          • 3ajeeb

            There is now a so called Palestinian state, and authority, but not a real one and you know this. It is not a viable state.

            Now, instead of dancing around the issue and throwing in the refugees to Europe and all these distractions, why can’t your occupying authority which has been recognized by many as a nation, why can’t it be a real democratic government towards the rest of the Palestinians? Why can’t the government listen to the voices of its own people including those in IDF refusing to serve military because of the horror your government spreads?

            Palestine is for Muslims as much it is for Christians as much for Jews. All Palestinians accept this. This is how it was prior to Balfour, and your invasion.

            Playing with words doesn’t work with me, constant Muslim aggression towards Israel? Get real, the resistance to your invading barbarian haganas included and includes Christians, Muslims, Arabs, non Arabs, japanese, communists, socialists etc..

            Spare me the bullshit. Have a real conversation. I don’t know how old you are or what you do, but if you want positive change you You must admit your mistakes and work to make things better for everyone.

    • Paul Ejiegbu

      Wonders, they say, shall never end. If true peace between Israel and the Arabs turns out, the world will indeed heave a sigh of great relief. Of a truth, if these Arabs know real peace and tranquility. Why insist of destroying one who is stronger than you, and one for that matter who simply wants security and not war? It seems the Iranian issue is beginning to yield some great fruit hitherto unnoticed. I am so glad the Arabs are beginning to reason rationally. Long lie reasonable Arabs, long live the Jews, long live the Middle East.

      • Adamantium_786

        too much mainstream media aint you

        • ROMAN G

          I am sure Paul was looking to purchase YOUR source of news and view, The Freedonia Gazette, to line his birdcage with, but you’d already purchased the only daily copy they print.

    • progressiveBG

      What a joke ! Bandar the Washington’s hooker king is long gone ! with him anything call Saudi-Zionist alliance.

    • amoo di

      saudi arabia is a leading terrorist state in ME for killing other moslems in Yemen, Syria,Iraq, Bahrain, Afghanistan and Libya

    • c_centina

      America is the only country in the world which has duel national pro isreali pupit in politics, these politicians are more loyal to israel then America, these politicians are always ready to give billions to israel every year and in return spy on america. Its about time to vote out all duel national politicians from American politics

    • David R. Allender

      Yeah, and the Saudis are only the second largest contributors, behind Iran, to give funds and weapons to ISIS, HAMAS, Hezbollah, and Boko Harlem radicals. Sure there is a treaty between the Saudis and Israel. We are being snookered again, but Israel is wise to ways of the Arabs. Of course out dearly beloved president won’t listen to reason with anybody, so we are ignorant of the truth. Just wait. We will be caught with our pants down again when the bombs com down.

      • Robert Munro

        Iran has NEVER supported ISIS. ISIS is Wahhabi – an enemy of the civilized Shia of Iran. Below is the cult responsible for Al Qaeda, ISIS and other Saudi terrorist groups………………..

        First is a plan, written by Richard Perle at the request of Benjamin Netanyahu, related to his reign as emperor of Greater Israel………….

        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

        It clearly outlines the intent to destabilize Syriathrough the use of “Israeli proxy forces” (ie. The foreign terrorists who staged “demonstrations”, sniper attacks and “civil war”).

        Next is A Report of The Project for the New American Century completed in
        September 2000………..

        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

        Compare
        reality from 2001 to date to the plans outlined in this “report”. Please note,
        at the end of the report, the list of fanatical Zionists and their sycophants
        who are responsible for……

        “REBUILDING
        AMERICA’S DEFENSES Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century”

        Paul
        Wolfowitz

        William Kristol

        Alvin Bernstein

        Eliot Cohen

        David Epstein

        Donald Kagan

        Fred Kagan

        Robert Kagan

        Robert Killebrew

        Steve Rosen

        Gary Schmitt

        Abram Shulsky

        Dov Zakheim

        • DBOS

          How quaint…a bigot going through a list and picking out politicians with Jewish names, all in the name of trying to accuse them of bigotry. Buddy if hypocrisy were pain, you would be dead.

          • 3ajeeb

            Robert is right never the less.

            • yogi9644

              You are a typical ugly Muslim….I hope you are in Europe and not here buying food for your terror cell with food stamps.

              • 3ajeeb

                Why do you say that I’m a typical ugly Muslim? Based on what?

          • amoo di

            dbos, unless you have lived in a cave for last 15 years and not followed the real news you would say dumb thing like that

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            How quaint…. you’ve just admitted your total lack of study and education.

      • 3ajeeb

        Hamas and hizbollah work against Israel and Saudi Arabia hates them

        Boko haram, ISIS, and Salafists work FOR Israel and are financed by saudi arabia.

        FYI

        Regards.

    • Ruthie Rand

      saudi arabia and mecca is originally zionist Jewish !

    • sam

      so whats next Israelis making Hajj to Mecca?

    • veve

      Isreal and Saudi Arabia want Iran to be attacked by US. I’m glad it will not happen because Iran is a peaceful nation.

    • jim

      this shows just how sick obastard is that two sworn enemys get together to try and stop his lunacy. however like the murder he unleashed in syria, egypt, libya, lebanon and yemen so these two will get the same. what a sick man. so hapy hes not my president hes an embarresment and mass murderer of 500,000 people as well as 2 million refugees all headed to Europe. NO one has the balls to stand up to this guy its shocking.

      • Adamantium_786

        because the Arab leaders are nothing but puppets

    • artoshy

      Are you dummy or make your self dummy . Grow up really Saudi Arabia is Israel alliance since its creation last century all Arab leadership is Israel alliance and their supporter other wise they will never stay in power .

      • Robert Munro

        The Saud family and other Gulf po-ten-tates were placed in power by the British Jew, Rothschild, and his bankster/oil/industrial cartel. Israel was spawned by that same criminal cartel.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          So was Kuwait, which the British ripped off from the Ottoman Empire in 1897.

          • Adamantium_786

            They also lie about the holocaust nothing will stop these fools

    • David Wolfe

      Saudi Arabia never recognized Israel or the right of Jews to live in the Land of Israel – even before there were any “occupied territories”. So the idea that Jews living in Judea and Samaria, the heart of the soul of Israel, is somehoe to blame is moot.

      • Robert Munro

        First is a plan, written by Richard Perle at the request of Benjamin Netanyahu, related to his reign as emperor of Greater Israel………….

        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

        It clearly outlines the intent to destabilize Syria through the use of “proxy” forces (ie. The foreign terrorists who staged “demonstrations”, sniper attacks and “civil war”).

        Next is A Report of The Project for the New American Century completed in September 2000………..

        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

        Compare real events from 2001 to date to the plans outlined in this “report”. Please note, at the end of the report, the list of fanatical Zionists and their sycophants who are responsible for……

        “REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century”

        Paul Wolfowitz

        William Kristol

        Alvin Bernstein

        Eliot Cohen

        David Epstein

        Donald Kagan

        Fred Kagan

        Robert Kagan

        Robert Killebrew

        Steve Rosen

        Gary Schmitt

        Abram Shulsky

        Dov Zakheim

    • G Berman

      Hey, analviolated101, here’s some Kleenex. Wipe yourself up.

    • violator101

      Benjamin Netanyahu is to hold talks in New york this September. Under international law he should be arrested for war crimes upon arrival in the U.S for the massacre of over 2000 civilians in 2014, Including over 500 children Sign this petition to arrest Netanyahu! http://wh.gov/inlzw

    • Richard Wolfe

      The whole Arab world has thrown Palestine under the bus, and that bus is Israel. And so has the United States.

    • navre12

      Wrong Buraydah, it is just precisely what this secret alliance of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United States did. The impossible was hatched and implemented and the U.S. attacked, invaded and occupied a innocent country that did nothing to the U.S. and posed absolutely no threat to the world .
      It was this tri- lateral consensus that manufactured an excuse to place a huge US military presence next to Iran ;The most feared and hated enemy of Saudi Arabia and Israel and the U.S.
      The mortal enemy of all three countries.
      It was to be the big hammer to strike at Iran when the time and excuse arrived. What the three countries did not count on was an armed rebellion that thwarted their plan for a permanent military presence.

    • Buraydah

      This issue, i.e. Saudi/Israeli alliance is too detailed and complicated. My take on is that it’s impossible for Al-Saud to have an open alliance with Israel, and we all know that a secret alliance can never achieve anything significant.

      • Buraydah

        My take on it is that…

      • Robert Munro

        Both Israel and Saudi Arabia were spawned by the Jew Rothschild Cartel. Both are still vassals of that cartel.

    • hehm2 .

      In bed…Saudis #1 terrorists and Israelis. Lol…

      • ROMAN G

        So… in your Braille book, the #1 terrorists are Saudis and not Iran?

        • Robert Munro

          The JEW Rothschilds, their spawn the Israelis and Saudis and the US cow that Rothschild milks are sponsors of 98% of the terrorism in the world.

        • hehm2 .

          @Roman ..i wrote that book for someone like you, sounds like you haven’t learned a thing from it! Even an average guy like you should know by now that Saudis (+their proxies) created Al-Quadea, Taleban, Boko Haram, Al-Shabab and the biggest moster of all ISIS.
          As for Iran,,,not a fan, however, last i checked they- along with Kurds are the ones fighting and destroying terrorists ISIS. None that I know of have been killed by Saudis or Israelis. So hands down. 😉

          • ROMAN G

            So, hoham… you’ve mentioned ‘Saudis (+their proxies) created..” blah blah, but then you’ve ‘checked on Iran’ and,.. voila!… discovered ‘they- along with Kurds are the ones fighting and destroying terrorists ISIS. None that I know of have been killed by Saudis or Israelis. So hands down. ;-)’?

            Then, how is it that:
            1. You are yet to confirm to yourself that Iran’s IED are/were the ones killing GIs in Iraq and Afghanistan?
            2. You haven’t found shiite about Iran’s proxies, i.e. Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas?
            3. The only place Iran is present, with its Revolutionary Guards brigade, is at the Golan Heights, maneuvering for an attack on Israel (one of their commanders was killed in an Israeli air raid).
            4. ‘Hands down’, in your case, results in a wet spot you find yourself after dreaming the crappola you’ve plastered above.

          • ROMAN G

            That book? You mean Charmine? Sorry, I used it for the original purpose it was meant for. BTW, I am sorry you write in Breil only, and Breil is what you probably read as well. How else can one explain to lobotomized shiiteheads like you the facts on the ground there, in the Middle East? For example, we all know about whom and what is Iran fighting, be it The Great Satan or The Little Satan, or Embassies and Cultural Centres, or Homosexuals and street dancers who like dancing to the “Happy” tune. But what about them Kurds? Well, its like this:

            AQKB, al-Qaeda Kurdish Battalions, is a militant Islamist organization, primarily active in the northern Iran-Iraq border. It is a Kurdish-affiliated branch of al-Qaeda that has launched several attacks on the Kurdistan Regional Government in northern Iraq. The group was classified as a terrorist organization by the US State Department on January 1, 2012. It was founded in 2007 after the apparent disbandment of Ansar al-Islam, another al-Qaeda-affiliated group. The group is considered to be relatively small, but it has camps in the Iranian towns of Mariwan and Sanandej.

            The group has launched several attacks, including its largest one being against KRG’s Ministry of Interior in Erbil that killed 19 people in May 2007, killed 7 border guards and one PUK security officer in Penjwan in July 2007 and in September 2010, two police officers were hurt by a failed suicide attack in Sulaymaniyah.

            Also this…http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kurds-free-al-qaeda-linked-commander-syrian-activists-say/

    • Scott Griswold

      The royal family in Saudi Arabia is only concerned with preserving its power, privilege, and wealth. They would make a deal with anyone to keep themselves in their palaces.

      • Robert Munro

        Don’t forget that the Saud family was put in power by British puppets of the Jewish Rothschild Cartel (as were the other Gulf po-ten-tates).

        • Al

          anti-Semitic pig

    • Richard Klein

      Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. There could have been a Palestinian state in 1937, 1947, 1999, and 2008. However, the Palestinians were unable to accept the existence of the Jewish state. Jews have lived continuously in Israel for over 3,000 years.

      • navre12

        Palestine has existed since 5 BC and existed in 1937 and still existed in 1947 even after the Zionist attempted to wipe out Palistine.

        • aewhistory

          First of all, “Palestine” didn’t exist in 5BCE. The region of Jewish areas controlled by Rome were renamed only after the rebellion in 66CE. From that point forward “palestine” was simply the imposed name on the Jewish province of the Roman Empire. Now the Jewish population took a massive demographic hit after the Masada revolt, in addition to the Kitos Wars and Bar Kochba, but Jews remained the majority them at least the early 7th century CE and in some areas of Palestine remained the majority for centuries more. The reality is that during the revolts much of the population was enslaved, killed, and fled. So the area that people like yourself like to tout as Palestine was reduced to a backwater, but it remained a Jewish backwater. This only changed with revolts against the Byzantines in the early 7th century and subjugation by Muslim invaders causing much of the remaining population to flee.

          After the Crusades there have been a series of attempts of by Jews to reclaim their homeland and all of these have been opposed by Muslims. Some of these attempts to right back to the Middle Ages, when Islam was supposedly friendly to Jews. In the place of the former inhabitants some Arab colonists came into “Palestine”, but frankly not many. Once the Jewish population was destroyed Palestine was never really much of a “place”, no matter how much the anti-Zionist community wants to make it one. The fact is Jews are indigenous and asserting their rights to the land. So I sympathize with the Arabs insofar as they should not be punished because their ancestors were colonizers. OTOH, the Arab position should have admitted this reality y long ago and sought accommodation. I have argued, however, that because Arab groups have realized that they are not indigenous and that recognizing such would undermine their position, they choose instead to take an extreme opposite view despite it being based on a fiction. It will be their loss as the years go by and their children dedicate themselves to fighting for this fiction, but that doesn’t mean you have to be suckered as well.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Really? Can you cite a reference for all these mythological attempts occurring before the modern Zionist conspiracy to seize Palestine from the indigenous people now called “Palestinians”?

            • aewhistory

              Here is one for you:
              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracia_Mendes_Nasi

              Nasi received part of “Palestine” for resettlement by Jews from the Ottoman Empire in 1558. It was later in her life and her project was only in its early stages when she passed. Since she was the primary financial backer and organizer at the time the resettlement lost focus.

              Now why don’t you run along and do a little of your own research in reality. Or is 1558 part of the MODERN Zionist conspiracy too?

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                So the savage modern Zionist invasion assaulted also all those people that she moved into Palestine. How does that some how excuse that invasion and vast immiseration of the people already living in Palestine?

                Sorry, Judaism isn’t a magic formula by which people who never saw Palestine get to flood atrocities of conquest and ethnic cleansing on the people living there for generations. Only psychopaths with no respect for people do that.

                Where’s this opposition by the Muslims to Nasi. Because she was going to bring him tax money, the Ottoman sultan gave her a lease.

                So run along yourself and gather up a little bit of morality, instead of slivers of history to justify crimes against humanity by the modern Zionist assault on the people that you absurdly claim are not indigenous. By genetics the Palestinians have just as much right to Palestine as the Zionist thugs who invaded them.

                http://rense.com/general48/Palestinians.pdf

                • aewhistory

                  Rense?! Why not cite Mein Kampf while you’re at it? Or are you that uninformed of their reputation?

                  BTW, this ‘lease’ was for exclusive Jewish settlement. Argue all you want, but Zionism isn’t some modern concept and Jews being he indigenous people to Israel isn’t either.

                  As an aside, if the Palestinians have inhabited “Palestine” for all this time then why did the Ottoman sultans feel the need to turn to Jews to settle Palestine to increase the tax base? Bringing supposed outsiders into an area is bound to cause trouble, right? So if these supposedly “European” Jews don’t belong how could they possibly bring more wealth to an area than the potential discord caused by this “native” population you’re defending.

                  The answer is simple: there wasn’t a belief that the Arabs were native to Israel. It is THIS belief that is a modern invention. Moreover, there wasn’t much of an Arab population in the area anyway and not much of one existed there until the modern Ionist movement created enough employment to attract workers from around the Ottoman Empire. So these supposedly Palestinian natives are Egyptians, Syrians, etc.

                  Now Ive spent enough time schooling you. Now YOU run along little doggie….

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    Thank you for demonstrating what a stupid boy racist fanatic you are. You didn’t notice that Rense was merely passing along this peer-reviewed scientific publication:

                    – Human Immunology 62, 889-900 (2001)

                    Since you fell precipitously into the trap and haven’t even bothered to look at the publication, we chuckle your brainless rant pretending that the greedy sultan didn’t get presented with seductive lies from ever mendacious Zionists.

                    We also want to know how you got so stupid as to declare an Arab population of over 400,000 didn’t exist, when the sultan’s own census says it did:

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine

                    What sick bigot Zionist trolls like you don’t realize is that the Internet really dates your vicious con games. All the rest of us can merely look things up with ease to get past your endlessly psychopathic trickery.

                    Now YOU may keep barking shrilly for our amusement, “little doggie”.

                    Please get mad and yap at us. We love kicking around nasty sick bigots like you.

                    Tell us how you Zionist fiends love to invade other people, drive them from their homes with murder and terror, then bulldoze their homes

                    Plan Dalet

                    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19199199/Plan-Dalet-Master-Plan-for-the-Conquest-of-Palestine-by-Walid-Khalidi
                    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/dalet-another-dirty-word-in-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/dalet-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                    http://www.alanhart.net/the-green-light-for-zionisms-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

                    • aewhistory

                      Sorry, no trap here. I’m familiar with all of the works on Jewish genetics. Reese merely cites what they feel supports their own racist rhetoric. Even if the journals have solid academic standing that doesn’t mean that Renae hasn’t been selective with quotes or studies. Instead of citing Rense, why not cite something like the Wikipedia article on Jewish Genetics which is far more balanced, even bending over backwards to support people like yourself, and yet STILL refutes your basic arguments.

                      Call my arguments shrill if you’d like, but it is wildly apparent you have a manic, paranoia about Jews. I suggest you get some help. Maybe get a puppy? You’ve got to do something to help with your issues man or you’re gonna just explode from all that hatred and ignorance. It almost makes me feel sorry for you…… almost.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Typical ZionoNazi “hasbara” yammer. Runs to Wikipedia this time, instead of sneering at it. Tries futilely against to conflate being against Zionist crimes against humanity to anti-Semitism.

                        Did getting a puppy fool you into thinking you were getting a conscience?

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    Why do ZionoNazi trolls always yammer about Mein Kampf? Don’t they get tired of harping on their pal in abusing people, Adolf Hitler, with whom they got along with quite well? After all, he helped them recruit German Jews to help the Zionists gather suckers to help them invade Palestine. Adolf could be called one of the fathers of Israel. Just do a search on the good, old Internet to get past another Zionist con game and do a search on “Haavara Agreement”.

        • Al

          Except that it was Jewish, not arab.. dumfk.

          • navre12

            Al, go and research your history, Palestine included Arabs and other like people who chose their religious beliefs such as Islamist, Jewish, indigenous etc.and lived in relative harmony for centuries.
            It was not this sole Jewish homeland that you Zionists love to propagate distortions about so that you can justify the killing, torturing,incarceration of Arabs and Black refugees.
            I’m sorry I forgot, your handlers won’t allow you to do honest research on your own.

      • Richard Wolfe

        You need a history lesson !!!

        • Richard Klein

          For your information, I have a Ph.D., and I am also a former U.S. Army officer.

        • Robert Munro

          LOL one of the hasbara trolls up-voted you.

        • ROMAN G

          He needs a brain, first and foremost.

      • Bleep!

        Except prior to 1917 there was promised a Palestinian state in the original Balfour Declaration, but Chaim Weissman and Balfour & cohorts stabbed King Hussein and the Palestinians in the back deliberatley. The King and the Palestinians held up their part of the bargain by helping defeat the Ottomans and welcoming a jewish homeland under Palestinian sovereignty. That was flip flopped stabbing the indigenous Arabs of Palestine (Ancient Israel) in the back. This is the root of the problem. I support the Palestinians 101%. No to zionism.

      • Chaz Mack

        How many other groups have lived in that space, which begins calling it self Israel during during its quest for statehood. Funny, they couldn’t think of a name until Ben Gurion screamed.. Israel. Now they could claim some history of the land, occupied by many throughout history. Funny, it was 2000 years before, now it’s 3000 years. Get your lies straight! I wonder how many of those Eastern Europeans made a claim of history to the land before 1947, except to ask the British for a homeland there in 1917. The Belfour Declaration allowed for the indigenous Palestinians to remain without being uprooted. But like Germany and all the other by gone expansionist power seekers, “power corrupts..absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

        • Al

          Indigenous Palestinians are the JEWS!

          • Robert Munro

            Jews invaded Canaan in 1250 BCE, committed genocide and STOLE Canaan. There is NOTHING “INDIGENOUS” about a Jew. Your cult was driven out of Egypt for its crimes and has been expelled from over 100 countries for the same crimes.

            • Al

              At least you, cretin, perhaps unwittingly, admit that it was the Jews who have lived in Israel / Palestine for millennium.. And they are the true Palestinians, not the gotafkrs that call themselves that.. And, of course, there is plenty of countries in the world populated by anti-Semitic stupid pigs like yourself.. who, against all laws and rules of morality and human compassion, did expel Jews. In turn, many of those countries were punished by the almighty G-d, by losing wars, by being struck by earthquakes and other cataclysms, dying from famine.. or invaded by islamonazi scumbags.. like you.

        • Robert Munro

          Rome named Palestine when they took the Levant in 66 BCE. It has been Palestine for more than 2000 years and has been called “Palestine” in countless documents and journals. That a tiny tribe of barbarians, Jews, call it something else is as irrelevant as that tribe is without value.

          Yassar Arafat and other Semites are GENETICALLY IDENTICAL to the people who have lived in the Levant for more than 12,000 years, proven by DNA gathered from grave sites far older than Judaism.

          Today’s Jew is 95% EUROPEAN CAUCASIAN. There were some Semitic, Middle Eastern, Jews (3% of Palestine in 1878) before the invasion from Poland, Russia and Brooklyn. Since the
          Semitic Jews have spent some generations breeding with the European stock, it’s unlikely that a true Semitic Jew exists now.

          The breakdown of ownership of Palestine is…………

          Canaan,21,000 – 1000 BCE, pantheistic culture that evolved the original culture, built a
          stable kingdom and built the first cities, INCLUDING JERUSALEM 1000 years before “Jews” existed. Biblical and pre-Zionist archaeological records indicate the violent/genocidal overthrow of the Canaanite Kingdom and its tribes by the Jews.

          Jews 950 BCE (first recognizable “Jewish” kingdom) to 351 BCE. This tribe’s god was named “Yaweh”, Invaded Canaan after being expelled from Egypt around 1250 BCE. Captured Jerusalem about 750 BCE. The Jews were defeated in 351 BCE by the Assyrians. From 351 BCE, until 1948 CE, Jews NEVER held territory in ANY part of the world.

          PALESTINA 66 BCE to 637 CE, Palestine was a province/state of the Roman Empire (later – Byzantine as Christian). For a time, the Jews were given very limited self-rule in Palestine, under strict control of the Romans. Due to Jewish treachery, corruption and terrorism, that self-rule was terminated in the first years of the current epoch (during the life of Jesus) and by 135 CE, Rome was forced to expel the Jews because of their continuous barbarity and intrigue. The
          last remnants of the Roman/Byzantine Empire were driven from Palestine by Muslims in 637 CE.

          Muslim PALESTINE 637 to `1917 CE. During this period Muslims, Christians and Jews resided in Palestine (in 1878 the ratio was Muslim 72%, Christian 25%, Jew 3%). Except for invasions by European “Crusaders” and a couple of incursions from Asia, this was an extremely peaceful period in the Levant. It was one of the quietest parts of the Middle East and had become one of the most productive agricultural regions.

          “British Mandate 1917 to 1948 CE. Because the Ottoman Empire, of which Palestine was part, sided with Germany during WW I, the empire was broken up and England was given
          GUARDIANSHIP of Palestine by the League of Nations. This was a trust territory and did NOT give England power to dispose of Palestine.

          In 1917, Lord Rothschild (Rothschild/Bilderberg Cartel) obtained a letter, from a British
          civil servant, allowing the Jews to establish a “homeland” in Palestine – provided that the Jew NOT infringe on any of the rights of the indigenous population. Interestingly, the financial
          problems of Balfour (the author of the letter) vanished immediately………..bribery.

          The Zionist organization, established by the Rothschild/Bilderberg Bankster Cartel, immediately began advertising for Jews to migrate to Palestine under the lie of “A Land Without People for a People Without Land”. All the Russian and Polish immigrants had to do was slaughter the indigenous people to change that lie to reality.

          Jewish terrorists proved very adept at this task, massacring tens of thousands of Palestinians
          and making refugees of almost a million by 1948. As to the Palestinian refugees who made the mistake of remaining in Palestine in camps, the Jews use the plentiful WW II surplus aircraft left by the British to strafe and bomb those camps, just as they do to Gaza today.

          The Russian, Polish and Brooklyn Jews continue their slow genocide of the Palestinian people today, having slaughtered tens of thousands more, driving more from Palestine and creating
          the Gaza Concentration Camp, which the Jews attack regularly (2000+ dead in the Summer of 2014 alone).

      • Robert Munro
        • Richard Klein

          I strongly suggest that you seek “professional help.” Your hatred of all Jews is very clear. Bigotry never solved anything.

    • 666xxxful .

      Fact is they are the USA worst enemies.

      • Al

        You mean iran?

    • Mungus Blanchart

      INT. MANHATTAN APARTMENT.NIGHT

      It’s 2048, and the former Saudi Arabian royal family is watching Israel’s 100 year celebration.

    • AZYM

      1 evil plus 1 evil is 2 evil

      • PeaceDoc

        Hey. He can count. Bet he used his toes

        • Robert Munro

          The truest words in Judaism………

          “To communicate anything with a Goy about our relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

          Found in both the Torah and the Talmud on Jewish Virtual Library site.

          This criminal cult, masquerading as religion and ethnicity, is going to CHOKE on
          what it hates and fears most – THE TRUTH……………..

          IDF T-Shirts Boast of Killing Babies, Pregnant Women, Sodomizing Hamas Leaders
          http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/03/20/idf-t-shirts-boast-of-killing-babies-pregnant-women-sodomizing-hamas-leaders/

          https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11825942_144019322599990_6564600597074235871_n.jpg?oh=a8cadb8fe516432c7a21dd1f3052b824&oe=566E33D2

          http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/tyousennkiller4649/imgs/a/6/a638be3a.png

          http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/charlie-hebdo-migrants-kurdi.jpg

          • PeaceDoc

            Please enlighten us with the source of your nonsensical BS. Do you get all your “facts” from t shirts!

            • Robert Munro

              Jew-boy, the UN, AI, HRW and other human rights organizations, Haaretz, The Guardian……..all sources far, far more honest that any ZioMaggot.

              • PeaceDoc

                Hilarious. Comedian could be your one true talent. The UN? Come on now. Lol. And thanks for the compliment. You think I belong to one of the smartest group of people ever to walk the earth. What do you contribute to the world? BTW: that’s rhetorical. Lol.

                • Al

                  He is islamopig.

              • Al

                islamopig. Lying pos, must be an arab.

            • 3ajeeb

              He has just told you the source.”ound in both the Torah and the Talmud on Jewish Virtual Library site”

              • PeaceDoc

                Well that makes you even dumber than he is. Quoting an idiot without the least bit of your own knowledge. Are you his boy toy? Check your “source”. I have. There is nothing remotely like the filth your fellow idiot spews. But then truth is hardly what motivated scum like you.

              • aewhistory

                If you check his quotes and the source material you will find there is less validity to what he wrote than there is to stories about the tooth fairy.

                Oops, sorry if I just spoiled the tooth fairy for anyone……

                • 3ajeeb

                  You don’t make sense

                  • aewhistory

                    Methinks you don’t have the tooth fairy wherever you are from. Pity as I imagine you’ve probably spent a large part of your life with people wanting to punch you. You’d have made a small fortune….

                    • 3ajeeb

                      You can do better than that can’t you?

              • Al

                He is a lying pig, and so are you.

                • 3ajeeb

                  Ahhh 🙁 don’t cry :(. The truth is harsh I know. But it will set you free 🙂

                  And We are not pigs.. I know you call us that in your scriptures…they lied to you.

                  Open up your heart and get rid of the hatred, dont believe these lies.

                  Good luck

                  • Al

                    OK, you are an arab.. so, a liar.

                    • 3ajeeb

                      Maybe one day you will understand.

                    • 3ajeeb

                      Very mature conversation.

            • ROMAN G

              The source of his ‘postings’? Why, here it is!

              https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=JN.1S9GFZxcl%2bX1uOgLX7oNqw&pid=15.1

    • al

      is Saudi Arabian the country that “contributed” most of the terrorists in the 9/11 case ?

      • Robert Munro

        All but one.

        • Al

          You wish you were one of them.

      • 3ajeeb

        Yes it is, and it is destroying Islam from the inside out.

        • Al

          Your version of it.

    • Ray Babbitt

      snake befriends mouse

      • Robert Munro

        Two breeds of snakes.

    • salicornia

      Imagine Netanyahu and the Saudi King in bed together. On a second thought, it is quite nauseating.

      • Franklin Owen

        yup, to hairy fat guys bumping uglies.

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    • EE

      Fake Kingdom? Israel formed within decades of nearly all the other Middleastern countries… And Arabs dont have real nations, they really just want a Pan-Arab world, including the US and Europe. So please. save the sh i t

    • Daniel

      Israel is well known as the “startup nation” from technology, agriculture to humanitarian aid Israel is helping people everywhere live fuller and healthier lives.

      The worst thing about current smartphones is that while these devices are incredibly powerful, battery life is not their strong point. Battery capacity worries could change in the next few years thanks to the new battery charger prototype that StoreDot previewed at Microsoft’s Think Next Event in Tel Aviv, Israel, on April 7th.

      Using bio-organic battery technology (specifically nanodots), discovered in part of research for Alzheimer’s disease by the University of Tel Aviv, StoreDot’s charger can take a cell phone battery from a 0% charge to a full 100% charge in as little as 30 seconds. Not only will this revolutionize how cell phones are used, but the material used in this technology is organic, which means that it is not only less expensive, but it is also better for the environment.

      Drip irrigation invented by Israeli Simcha Blass and its development by Netafim, and later Plastro and NaanDan Jain, has changed agriculture around the globe, helping farmers to increase their yields of crops with less water. Israeli drip-irrigation techniques are upgraded constantly, and are regularly shared with other countries through MASHAV, Israel’s Center for International Cooperation.

      Save a Child’s Heart, an Israeli organization has saved more than 3,000 children from all over the developing world, including about 1,500 from Gaza and the West Bank, brought them to Israel for vital heart operations at Wolfson Medical Center in Holon. Every one of the 70 to 80 doctors and nurses working with the non-profit give their time as volunteers. Aside from the charitable lifesaving work in Israel, Doctors fly on missions abroad to carry out heart operations, and to teach the latest surgical techniques to local doctors, as well as physicians visiting Israel.

      From environmental breakthroughs that will help reduce greenhouse emissions, to technologies that can increase food production and save vital crops, to humanitarian aid missions in the wake of catastrophic natural disasters, Israelis are providing significant assistance.

    • margor

      Never ceases to amaze me that ISLAM is NOT REFORMING and bringing itself into the modern era as a faith. In other words the Sunnis & Shiites along with other assorted SECTS should SIT DOWN and HAVE A MEETING AT THEIR HIGHEST LEVELS to resolve the DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM without need of the violence that has ravaged that region for so long. Yes, I am an idealist. I also know that the definition of ZIONISM as used by the ARABS is WRONG/INCORRECT as it only reflects a JEWISH WANT of the “HOLY LAND” area. In fact ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY are also ZIONIST in the sense that both of them want the “HOLY LAND”. The Jewish State has accomplished the goal and is SATISFIED yet the ARAB STATES simply can’t stomach co-existing in PEACE with them. Funny thing is that the CHRISTIANS really haven’t been doing much to restore their control of that area, but than again they only had it for about 70 years on and off, which is about how long it’s been under ISRAEL’s control. In the end the JEWISH STATE has made every effort to allow for the fact that all three major faiths ISLAM, JUDAISM, & CHRISTIANITY can worship there FREELY and unimpeded (though for some unknown reason the Palestinians still THROW ROCKS at ISRAELIS attempting to worship there). As I see it NOBODY else would allow or do that necessarily. Additionally as I see it the idea I had for Jerusalem to be an INTERNATIONAL FREE CITY like the VATICAN OR HAGUE would not be beneficial (effectively that would give it to the Catholic Church or play into the CHRISTIAN mission to control it). Better it remain in the equitable hands of the JEWISH STATE so that all can worship there albeit not in peace. Frankly, I don’t believe it to be a “HOLY CITY” as I believe that the days of RELIGIOUS belief systems are numbered. PEACE!

    • unoriginalscreenname

      http://28pages.org/
      Is it possible the that desire for cheap oil (and therefore relatively cheaper gasoline) is the reason for the cover-up of alleged Saudi complicity in the attacks on 9/11/2001? Or is there another reason?

      • JACK H

        the reason is so the government can create the war on terror that make the fed richer, the patriot act. homeland security, NSA, and many excuses to take away our gun rights and other protections provided under the U.S. Constitution. government is like a cancer, it cannot survive unless it can grow and gain more control.

      • Robert Munro

        That just about covers it. Oh, I forgot, the Sauds want the Israeli slavers to continue supplying them with European and American girls and boys (seriously – white slavery is a major Israeli industry).

    • David Jones

      Good………let the Saudi’s give Israel 7 million dollars a day…..the U S does not need to

      • PeaceDoc

        A bargain !

        • Robert Munro

          Yep, with Jews you get more slaughter and atrocity for your buck than anywhere else.

          • PeaceDoc

            You are most entertaining. Ugly, disgusting, petty little sucker but entertaining in your perversion. No doubt that everything you say about Jews comes from a rabid inferiority complex. Deservedly of course. My condolences to your parents.

      • David Jones

        We get nothing from Israel…..all they are is a total waste of money from the U S

    • Edward Mitchell

      I wonder why a distinguished writer associated with the Academy of Sciences constantly refers to Israel as Tel Aviv, though a very beautiful city but nevertheless one that was NOT a capital of Israel even for one day. Yes, Tel Aviv was a provisional capital of the fledgling state during the War of Independence of 1948-49 while its capital of Jerusalem was under Arab attack. As soon as the armistice was signed in 1949, 66 years ago, the Israeli government immediately moved to Jerusalem.
      After all, no one refers to Russia as St.Petersburg, even though, unlike Tel Aviv, it was an official capital for more than two centuries.

    • Ezra Tank

      Saudi Arabia will do anything to keep it’s people from realizing how their King lives.

      Why isn’t Saudi Arabia opening it’s borders to the fleeing refugees of Syria? Why must Europe take them in?

      Because Saudi Arabia only cares about spreading Islam and sees this as a perfect way to do it.

      • 3ajeeb

        Saudi Arabian version of Islam is hated by many Muslims, it is based on false scriptures, very similar to Talmud.

    • Stan

      “while Tel-Aviv in its turn rejects the plan for Middle East Regulation”
      Tel-Aviv?? Why would the city of Tel-Aviv have anything to do with this?
      Jerusalem is the seat of government and the capital of Israel. It is where the legislature, prime minister, cabinet, foreign ministry, etc. etc. is. Tel-Aviv is a beautiful city, but it has nothing to do with article.

      Stan

    • There politicians are connected at the hip through their oil and militaries, THE PEOPLE have different ideas…

    • HC

      Again, this is a purely a political statement and should not be in, what normally would be considered, news. Perhaps there needs to be a new category for these kinds of pieces.

    • ExMech

      “Saudi Arabia’s claims to be one of the leaders of the Arab and Muslim world prevent it from recognizing the State of Israel’s right to exist within its current borders”

      – So why is this? Why is it that a mulim leader cannot recognize Israel? The answer lay in the hamas charter, Article 11…

      The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

      This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

      That’s right… the current war islam is waging against Israel has nothing to do with “Palestinians”… and never did.

      • Asharf A Jamal

        Well said, like to add Israel must at least move to 1967 border and Full Jerusalem remain in Muslim possession. Saudi King shaking hand with Israel, be slapped and even the Monarchy be denounce by Muslim country. That mean Saudi Monarchy must fall for the unity sake of Muslims.

        • ExMech

          ” must at least move to 1967 border and Full Jerusalem remain in Muslim possession. ”

          – I see no reason why this needs to occur. Israel isn’t Waqf, and the insane islamists can either accept reality, or cluster munitions. It makes no difference to me which they choose.

          Dead islamists make the Grass Grow.

          • Dave

            Asharf has poor reading comprenhension

      • al

        I am surprised that Islam does not claim Spain to be part of its land, and does not attempt to “conquer” it

        • ExMech

          “I am surprised that Islam does not claim Spain to be part of its land,”

          – I’m surprised you’re unaware that they do.

    • charliematerne

      What I have not seen explained, even attempted to explain, is why, if the “deal” constrains Iran’s military and militant bent, would the Saudi’s, the rest of the GCC and Israel need more advanced weapons and guarantees from the US such as the “nuclear umbrella” offered by SOS Kerry

      • HC

        Good question and I think you’ve answered it. It’s not a good deal but it’s the best our incompetent leaders could get. It makes this eight year administration look like it accomplished something within the international community. I’m not a real conservative, but where’s Reagan when you need him.

        • charliematerne

          You forget, Reagan made his deal with Iran too

          • HC

            If I recall, and I’m not 100% sure, it was more of a matter off Iran not wanting to return the hostages while Carter was still in office and they were returned almost immediately after Reagan was sworn in. There was really no advantage to Iran holding the hostages as they became a liability from a propaganda point of view. Though my reference to Ragan was more about his ability be tough in his foreign policy dealings.

      • PeaceDoc

        Fewer and fewer countries count on the promises of the U.S. Saudi Arabia, Taiwan, Israel realize they need to discount the umbrella. In the case of Israel the U.S. and the world want Israel to do what they won’t or can’t. Examples? The nuclear reactors in Iraq and Syria. The world heaps criticism on Israel while breathing a sigh of relief. Israel was brilliant and Isis is now without 2 potential sources of nuclear material.

    • Aaron Schmitz

      Don’t be such sheep. The Saudi’s, Israel and the US are all funding, arming and training ISIS and the “Rebels” for the same goal. The US has a history of supporting Al Qaieda since the 70’s.

      • Mel Okovat

        And if we believe this stupid comment you posted we won’t be sheep? I don’t know and really don’t want to know what you are using but, it must be illegal. So, stay off of it for a while and your mentality may improve. Of course, it maybe too late.

      • Mel Okovat

        I forgot to mention that we won’t be fooled by the ”name” you have chosen either. We know you are a muSlime. We know. So, drop the acting. A lying muSlime.

        • Brad Hoffmann

          What nationality is a name like Mel Okovat ?

          • Mel Okovat

            I am questioning your nationality. The reason, ”brad hoffmann” sounds kinda American but your question is not. So, just to clear the air, whatever my name and nationality, IT AIN’T NO muSlime LIKE YOURS. So, go find a tall tree, climb it and then drown yourself.

            • Brad Hoffmann

              LOL, so because I am curious about the name Okovat, you start calling me names. That tells it all about YOU !! Thank you for the entertainment !!

        • JACK H

          what part of Israel are you posting from HASBARAT?

          • Mel Okovat

            Why do you ask? You wana come and lick the balls? muSlime terrorist.

    • Marcus Mattau

      Saudi Arabia is the prostitute of the Middle East. She sleeps with anyone for mere survival. To Arab nations who have been suffering for decades, take note to where your problem has been all these years. Not Iran but Saudi Arabia. That filthy and dysfunctional regime who is bombing your brothers in Syria and Yemen has been collaborating with Israel against you. No wonder why Israel dares to occupy the Al Aqsa Mosque. The filthy Saudi Regime needs be overthrown.

      • Aaron Schmitz

        The USA Is the prostitute of the World, cause we sleep with anyone for survival. Look how many Presidents/Dictators we supported militarily, then assasinated.
        Look how many Countries we give financial aid to, even CHINA.

      • Mel Okovat

        What is this, the arab joint meeting? All the arabs are here today. Including this clown. Just because Saudis have also found out that iSlamic fanatics are dangerous and they are surrounded by fanatics and are fighting back just like Egyptians are doing, they are called prostitutes. Don’t forget, the muSlime mullahs are the biggest prostitutes. Whoever pays them, they support that group. Even if they are anti iSlime. Needless to say that, iSlime is the cult of prostitution.

        • Marcus Mattau

          Well, Okovatovich, unlike you, I was talking out of the mouth. You make no sense.

    • ELGuapo

      Yea, Saudi Arabia, the country responsible for 3000 US deaths.
      Why wont the US Gov. release the censored pages detailing Saudi involvement
      in 911?

      • Victorious

        THE “STATE OF THIEVES”, LAWLESS IsraHELL, and of course, Mossad, are responsible for the 9/11 tragedy!!!!

        • Mel Okovat

          muSlime/arabs are all here. Can you imagine what will happen if Saudis and Israel finally decide to cooperate? You terrorists will have no place to go. victorious! Since when terrorism is equivalent to heroism? You arabs/muSlimes will always be terrorists. Always.

          • JACK H

            Israel and Saudi Arabia, both terrorist nations.

        • al

          Victorious, are you sure ?!? – document your allegations !

      • Blah

        why dont you get your anonymous boys to just hack it and release it

    • mohamedisnotaprophet

      Pressure must be placed on Saudi Arabia,
      Kuwait, Bahrain, U.A.E., Oman, Egypt, Dubai, Pakistan, Iran and all other
      Muslim countries to take in all of the Muslim “refugees” seeking
      asylum in the West. This is what the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) would want. Inshallah! التكبير! الله أكبر!

      • Mel Okovat

        Do you know WHY these muSlime/arab countries do NOT want these people in their countries?
        1) They don’t care.
        2) They know what will happen once these people are allowed to stay.
        3) There are isis terrorists hiding within these people.
        Another point, why do you really think these people are running away from their home/country and seek asylum/refuge in Christian countries? If Israel would allow them, they would even prefer to go there rather than staying in their own country. A Jewish state. Just like hundreds of thousands from Africa.

      • Clarinetto22

        Why not press the Arab countries to grant citizenship rights to millions of Palestinian “refugees” living there FOR FIVE GENERATIONS?

    • boggyg

      they both own the USA media a few phone calls should get the propaganda machine fired up

    • boggyg

      why not they both have Americans in their pockets to do their dirty work

    • Fred

      Washington is very wrong by supporting Israelis and Saudis wrong policies in the region, we know for fact Israelis are killing innocent Palestinians, and stealing their lands for new Jewish settlements all paid by American hard earning tax moneys. We know Saudis providing funds for any terror groups fighting against any Shiite country specially Iran, and Syria. The Saudis and Israelis relation actually will increase fanatic Sunni Wahhabi terror groups without resolving middle east issues specially Palestinian issue first, did we forgot, Al-Qaeda was created when Saudis allowed US base in Saudi Arabia. American politicians should consider American people interest first not Israelis, and Saudis.

      • Clarinetto22

        @Fred… Did it happen to you that American interests in the Middle East might be identical to the interests of the Israelis and Saudis, namely, to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons?

        • ELGuapo

          Saudi Arabia is worse than Iran. Why wont the US release the censored pages detailing
          Saudi Arabias involvement in 911?

          • Mel Okovat

            It is funny, all you clowns have chosen the same picture. Or maybe it is the terrorists uniform?

          • Clarinetto22

            “Why wont the US release the censored pages detailingSaudi Arabias involvement in 911?”
            Great question! Feel free to post these pages right here without the US permission.

      • What is an innocent Palestinian and what do they own that anyone could steal? You must mean the disowned Jordanians – there is no such thing as “Palestinians”. Read history before deciding what everyone else wants.

      • Blah

        facts huh?

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    • Peter Robbins

      The irreducible laugh here is that Saudi Arabia IS a radical Islamic state—in fact the most radically Islamic state, thereby making an absolute mockery of the steady Islamophobic rhetoric issued from Israel and Washington…Israel and the U.S. are despised in the region due to their combined actions going back decades…in fact the primary catalyst for the emerging Anti-West sentiment is U.S. sponsorship of Israel and the subsequent U.S. invasions and military occupations of neighboring nations…

    • Rey

      A match made in heaven between two terrorist supporting nations that support both ISIS and Al Qaeda.

      • Mel Okovat

        rey, peter, el guapo,….and many more have chosen the same picture. The terrorists’s uniform.

    • Chris Mohammadi

      Neither Israel or Saudi Arabia are truly worried about Iran’s nuclear program. This is, and always has been, about regional influence. If Israel and Saudi Arabia team up against Iran, it will be to ensure that both Assad and the Iraqi government fall. Neither cares if ISIS takes over after.

      • ELGuapo

        Very true. Iran hates both Al Quida and ISis. That’s the ironic part.
        Saudi Arabia Is more extreme than Iran. Plus, why the F does our Government not
        release the Censored pages detailing Saudi Arabias involvement in the killing of 3000
        US citizens on 911? That’s the big question.

        • Chris Mohammadi

          We are in bed with the Saudis, so they can do no wrong. Much like Israel. It’s all about alliances and nothing to do with regular people. Money and power…..some things never change no matter how much we evolve.

        • Iran hates Al Qaeda and ISIS?? Don’t think so:

          “One of the most dangerous things I was informed of with photos and documents … was that Daesh [ISIS] was being managed and controlled through a military operations room in Mashhad [in northwestern Iran], and the room is being managed by high ranking Russian and Iranian intelligence commanders. The goal is to create chaos in the Arab world in general and the Gulf countries in particular, especially Saudi Arabia. The Iranian regime still believes and seeks by all means to subdue Mecca and Medina to Wilayat al-Faqih [the ruling ideology of the Iranian theocracy].”

          source: Farzad Farhangian, an Iranian diplomat

          • Chris Mohammadi

            So they are suggesting that shia Iran is creating ISIS, a sunni group, who is murdering anyone who isn’t sunni and trying to depose of shia leadership in Syria and Iraq which is allied with Iran. That is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I take it spotting bullshit when you see it isn’t your strongest suit. By all accounts and reports, Iran is doing more to combat ISIS than anyone. This from Western media which is decidedly anti-Iran.

            • Yeah. Nothing is straight forward in politics. Go ahead and make your “unbiased” decisions based on Persian media. Iran has been accommodating, training and equipping terrorists for years….or do you spot that as bullshit?

              If Western media is anti-Iran, are you implying that Iran is Pro-West?

              • Chris Mohammadi

                I wouldn’t even know where to find Persian media. And how would I be implying Iran is Pro-West? Their media is just as anti-US as our media is anti-Iran. The groups Iran supports are Hezbollah, Hamas (although not anymore), and the Houthi. A far cry from ISIS and al queda.

                • I wasn’t comparing ideologies, I pasted a quote from an Iranian diplomat. There have been stranger alliances in history and frankly, I put nothing past the Iranians. As individuals, they are decent people…I have several Iranian friends and went to college with some. It’s their government I don’t trust.

                  • Chris Mohammadi

                    Nobody wants to compare them because the truth is the shia are less extreme than the sunni, yet we are allies with many of the sunni states and enemies with the shia ones. And I don’t trust any government. Especially our own. Definitely not the mullahs in Iran. The one thing you can count on all of them for however, is to look out for their own self interests. Aiding ISIS in ethnically cleansing shias is not in shia Iran’s best interests. Neither is helping them overthrow their long time ally in Assad, or their new shia buddies in the Iraqi government.

                    • No offense, but I don’t think you’re qualified to determine “truth”. But when you said “The one thing you can count on all of them (governments) for however, is to look out for their own self interests.”, I can’t help but agree. I mean, that is the ultimate goal of modern politics, sadly.

                      Iran hardly has a consistent track record, regarding their activities, and they have a long history of training and equipping terrorists for multiple causes in scattered places. I put nothing past them – if they thought it would bring about their ultimate goal, they would gladly attack allies and befriend enemies. They are without honor or decency (before you deny that, let me remind you…I’ve worked with them).

                      • Chris Mohammadi

                        No offense taken. I’m not one to get easily butt hurt on these comment boards. What you say about them also holds true for us. We dump more weapons in that region than Iran has ever dreamed of. And we have been arming and training “rebels” for decades. Remember the Afghani Mujahadeen(Taliban)? Remember our support for Saddam? Who has been behind this Arab spring that has removed secular leaning dictators and replaced them with Islamic government or just chaos?

                        I don’t discount what you are saying because I think it is beyond them (the government not the people), I discount it because it makes zero sense. If anything, our agenda is the one that stands to benefit from ISIS. We are the ones who want Assad removed and Syria is where ISIS became relevant. We have been overseeing the distribution of weapons at the Syrian border since 2012. Of course we say we are only giving them to the “moderate” rebels, but then John McCain is seen taking pictures with terrorists. And for all of our talk about taking on ISIS, along with our allies, we are getting nothing accomplished.

                        It is in Iran’s best interest to keep Assad and the Shia gov in Iraq in place. ISIS fights for exactly the opposite.

                      • I agree that we (the West) also support and train fighters, and I suppose the term “terrorist” depends on which side you’re on.

                        Also, I am not endorsing the quote I posted as fact, just as something to keep in mind as a possibility; Just because it doesn’t make sense, doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Plenty of world events in the past made no sense, but they happened just the same. The Iranian government isn’t known for being practical. I am surprised by nothing the Iranian government does, and motives aren’t always clear and open.

                        As for John McCain photographed with terrorists, I have a photo of Hillary Clinton shaking hands with Osama Bin Laden. Photos are meaningless in modern times.

                        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cd3bbcbe4fc60c6f2c9e1cfc9d7c2932aa0f25a0de4c5caa060b6c31e3ac5aee.jpg

                      • Chris Mohammadi

                        Are you saying that the pic of McCain isn’t real? We both know this one has been debunked.

                      • I’m making no claims. I’m saying don’t base your beliefs on information you can’t verify.

      • Blah

        pretty sure they dont care about iraq or syria

        • Chris Mohammadi

          No? Israel doesn’t care about it’s neighbors being allies of Iran? Saudi Arabia doesn’t care about having sunni Islam controlling the region? I guess there isn’t a sectarian war going on either huh?

      • PeaceDoc

        and you know this because……

        • Chris Mohammadi

          They balk at the idea of a nuclear deal even though it includes the most intrusive inspection program ever put together by the IAEA, limits their enrichment to 3.5%, and stretches out their breakout time for the next 15 years. It isn’t about a nuclear weapons. Israel’s own military has admitted it isn’t concerned about that anymore. It is about Iranian influence in the region which is already growing.

    • Brainiac3397

      Do I need to mention Saudi Arabia’s record of public beheading, stoning, and amputation as punishments?

    • Jim Kener

      Egypt, Jordan and the Emirates are not stupid for now Israel’s possession of atomic weapons if true give them a large advantage in the short run over Iran. Iran knows that if all these countries join together as a unit it could not survive a war. It might win in one country but all four united could wipe them off the face of the earth.

      • ELGuapo

        If true?? That’s funny. We know its true because france helped ISrael build a reactor and England
        gave ISrael the technology and the heavy water to build Nukes. Those factors and some good
        old fashioned spying on the USA allowed Israel to build some Nukes.

        • Paul Waliser

          Israel = Jews = 90% of the scientist intelligentsia that developed rocket technology, nuclear technology, and advanced sciences in physics. Think Einstein. These Jews were from Germany mostly and settled in Israel, the United States = NASA, and the rest, Russia. Nobody gave Israel anything as they were able to do it themselves, just as we all benefit from Israeli technology in many areas today.

          • ELGuapo

            That is funny. Rocket technology was invented by the Jews?
            What school you go to? Werner Von Braun pretty much invented Rocket
            technology, he was 100% not Jewish. There were a fair amount of jews involved
            in the US Nuclear Program, but in Reality all the Theories came From Germany/
            England and guys like Werner Heissenberg and Rutherford. (100% not Jewish).
            Einstein had nothing to do with the Atomic bomb, besides warning the US
            president that the Germans were working on one.
            Your statement is so funny because most of the Nasa Scientists responsible for
            our early space program development were in fact ex Nazis/German army.
            Both Russia and the US were scrambling to catch these guys because they
            were far ahead technology wise of the US and Russia.
            The fact is that England and France helped Israel with Nuclear technology ,
            both facts are easy to confirm.

            • JACK H

              don’t waste your time trying to reason with these hasbarat trolls. waste of time.

              • ELGuapo

                I agree. These Jewish Goebbels have to be set straight.

          • JACK H

            Israel invented the false flag operation. they have refined it to perfection.

    • Yacov

      The whole hatred and wars against the Jewish state originated by the Saudis, and if the Saudis know what is good for them, they should as soon as possible make peace with Israel. Because only Israel will be able to save the Saudis monarch from collapsing. If Riad will have will have good vision, and want to stay in power, they should learn from late King Hussein’s of Jordan wisdom that he realized that to stay in power he must make peace with Israel. Without the protection from Israel Jordan as we know it today would long gone. I think Saudis came came to their senses finly.

      • JACK H

        LOL.

      • Fred

        Why you want save Saudis regime, please for one time only world should forget what is good for Israel, what is good for entire world.

    • DavidGoldman

      Saudis and other Arab-Sunni politicians are absolutely right.
      We in Israel together with our faithful pals USA,
      we should do our best to keep the political situation
      unchanged in the Sunni Arab world. Democracy in the
      Arab countries will be a catastrophe for Israel and the West.
      The present kings and strongmen of Sunni Arab countries
      are in fact friends of Israel and friends of US.
      Look at Saudi-Arabia, look at Bahrein, look at Emirates.
      These countries’ rulers won’t be able to survive and stay
      in power without US and Israeli protection.
      The good thing for US-Israel is that these Sunni countries
      are real Shiite killers and viral enemies of the Iranians,
      which means the enemies of our enemies are our friends.
      It’s vital to remember that If one day these inferior-race,
      camel-driver Arabs really open their eyes and get rid of
      That would be the beginning of the end for Israel.That would be the beginning of the end for Israel.
      That would be the beginning of the end for Israel.

      • Clarinetto22

        Can you elaborate on this please? I’m interested to know the reasons “Democracy in the Arab countries will be a catastrophe for Israel and the West”, if you don’t mind.

        • Yacov

          I will clarify it for you . Arab’s society is basically Patriarch system. Which means they only function by strong leader to tell them what to do. Exactly like sheep that follow the leader without thinking. So any change of policy by one person’ leader to sway its “herd”, it’s better for Israel then if a decision is made by the whole Arab society. You can’t compare Arab society to Western society. Western society with long democratic experience, and never had Patriarch system, could resolve differences among them. Take Europe for example, U.S v.Canada, U.S v Mexico. Because of the Arab’s system the way it is, they do not get along among themselves let alone with the rest of the world.

          • Clarinetto22

            Yacov… I’m sorry to disappoint you but the Arabs are first and foremost HUMANS. Among other things it means that if the Arab society will become a democracy it will automatically make the Arabs able to get along with themselves and with the rest of the world.
            In other words, in order to become a democratic society the Arabs will have to become sophisticated enough to be able to establish and to maintain democracy in their country or countries.

      • Yacov

        We have same point of view. See my comment above you.

        • Pin Gin

          Read more your Muslim press to learn that the Earth is flat.

      • JACK H

        Israel will be destroyed. the cause of 90+ of all terrorism in the world. if it wasn’t for Israel, 911 would have never happened. I wouldn’t doubt if 911 was just another Israeli false flag operation. remember the USS liberty!

        • Pin Gin

          You are a Muslim idiot.

          • JACK H

            wrong hasbarat troll! American catholic. retired military veteran.

            • 72130

              Still,an idiot none the less.

              • JACK H

                please explain why I am an idiot? you don’t even know me! I was in the U.S. Army for 24 yrs. been to many countries. I know real world news, not just the fake Jews news coming from the U.S. Media. I BET YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON TV. AND READ ON YAHOO, MSNBC, FOX, ET. trust me pal, ISRAEL IS NO ALLY, THEY ARE A VERY DANGEROUS ENEMY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. they control U.S. foreign policy and many isreali/jewish/Zionist lobbies like AIPAC own our congress and senate. many U.S.CONGRESSMEN/WOMEN have dual Israeli/U.S. Passports and CITIZENSHIP! who are these people loyal to? before you call someone an idiot, better know the facts.

                • Sorry Jack, but your rant doesn’t dispute his claim at all. You made a statement (anti-semitic at that) and offered no evidence whatsoever. 911 was just what it appeared to be… an Al Qaeda operation.

                  Find another use for your hate.

                  • JACK H

                    I hope you are posting from Israel. we don’t need racist bigoted jews here in the U.S.

                    • If anyone is racist pal, it’s you. I’m in D.C. and I’m Cherokee, not Jewish. You need an education.

                • PeaceDoc

                  “tis better…” keep on proving the old saying. Ranting, printing in all CAPS doesn’t make you right, or smart, or even sane for that matter. Take a deep breath. Have some wine. Chill out. Go back to your Mein Kampf.

                  • JACK H

                    having mottso balls and gifilta fish tonight? been drinking to much mogen david?

        • You are a victim of propaganda.

          • JACK H

            YOU ARE SPREADING PROPAGANDA! it has already been proven that many of the so called hijackers are still alive in Saudi Arabia. their passports were stolen.

            • Saying something is ‘proven’ is not the same as proving it. So…PROVE IT. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Your claim is based on hate for another people, nothing else – morons like you believe what they want to.

              • JACK H

                how many scheckles do you get paid per post?

                • What a stupid remark.
                  How many virgins are waiting for you, Mohammed?

            • PeaceDoc

              “tis better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt..”

        • PeaceDoc

          Some people are beyond stupid. Just saying. Your hatred blinds you.

      • Mark Volker

        Ha! USA faithful pals?! How can you say that when Obama, under the control of his clan members, the Muslim brotherhood, have done nothing but throw Israel under the bus!

      • ELGuapo

        I believe the Arabs and Jews are both the same race, Semitic.
        You saying the Semites are inferior?

    • William Later

      Both Israel and Saudi Arabia have intelligent leaders that are reasonable.
      They both see the ISIS threat and Iran threat and want to stop it.
      Too bad Obama is clueless!!

      • Odete Cardoso

        Wiiliam, please look much closer and find he hiden truth,

      • violator101

        LOL, Both Israel and Saudi’s are supporting ISIS…

    • danehrlich

      This is an old story regurgitated by alleged journalists for simply having something to do.

    • Bill

      Angela Merkel is inviting a civil war, and Obama he could care less. Oh well Putin may answer the question when he makes Assad his personal puppet. The overall aim is at Israel. Obama better get the military ready for the toll a coaster ride. Obama and his generals are nit wits in the first place. We need another Paton for a change.
      What is the thing Putin calling Elton John? I thought Putin was against that type. Putin homophobia is coming out.

    • John

      This article is not truthful on Saudi Arabia regarding the Iran deal with the P5+1 .King Salman bin Abdul Aziz visited Washington last week to give President Obama his support. The writer of this article is saying otherwise.

    • steve

      Obama is making the US commit suicide by Islam. Now Angela Merkel seems intent on doing the same thing with Europe.

      • Mike Curtis

        US is AIPAC / Israeli ruled, and since 2010, GERMANY has become the NUMBER 1 destination for the Jews to return to live in Germany. Holocaust, my foot!

        If I were a Jew, Germany would have been the LAST COUNTRY on this earth for me and my family to return to.

        • steve

          You are a moron spewing nonsense. In fact there are only 118,000 Jews living in Germany out of 14 million worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country This represents .8% of all Jews worldwide who are living in Germany. Thankfully the US is not ruled by you.

        • JACK H

          just be happy they are not coming to the U.S.. maybe to much competition here for other bottom feeding Jews legally stealing everything worth stealing.

          • While you’re at it, you want to get rid of the blacks, Asians and Hispanics too?

            • JACK H

              I want to get rid of less than 1% of the population having almost 100% control of our government! Zionists must go.

              • How noble of you. You get to decide who stays and who goes? Shame my people didn’t have that right. Lucky for you, people in the lowest 1% of intelligence don’t have to go, or you’d be packing your bags.

                Look, if you want to make a valid argument…fine. But support what you claim instead of speaking out of hate. Then you may be taken seriously.

              • violator101

                They must go and also Israeli-American duel citizens in the White House and the US Congress…

          • PeaceDoc

            Jack, Jack, Jack. Such hatred. So much nonsense. “legally stealing?” Isn’t that the kind of non-sequitur we discussed earlier with your Gestapo buddy Mike? Are you jealous of those who don’t share your own shortcomings?

            • JACK H

              shut up hasbarat bigot. we goyim are not as stupid as you think.

              • PeaceDoc

                Jack my apologies. What spewed from you is actually an oxymoron. That makes you more like a four legged moron.

        • ELGuapo

          funny STUFF.
          There are not many Jews in Germany. Germany is an economic powerhouse.
          They will take over the USA within the next 10-20 years.

        • PeaceDoc

          A series of non-sequiturs, to be sure. I do infer you are not Jewish, have a least one foot, and have very high blood pressure, or in the alternative, spittle on your chin.

    • Robert Munro

      A plan for the reign of Benjamin
      “Bibi” Netanyahu as emperor of Greater Israel, drawn up by
      Richard Perle, another pseudo-American Zionist fanatic………..

      “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm”

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

      (“…….by establishing the precedent that Syrian territory is not immune to ATTACKS EMANATING FROM LEBANON BY ISRAELI PROXY FORCES.”)

      A Report of The Project for the New American Century completed in September 2000………..

      http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

      Compare reality from 2001 to date to the plans outlined in this “report”.Please note, at the end of the report, the list of fanatical Zionists and their sycophants who are responsible for……

      “REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century”

      Paul Wolfowitz

      William Kristol

      Alvin Bernstein

      Eliot Cohen

      David Epstein

      Donald Kagan

      Fred Kagan

      Robert Kagan

      Robert Killebrew

      Steve Rosen

      Gary Schmitt

      Abram Shulsky

      Dov Zakheim

      • Ken Kelso

        Tell me Mr Genius how many Syrian civilians has Assad murdered in the last 4 years?
        —————————————–

        60 Minutes Airs Shocking Footage of Assad’s Sarin Gas Attack on Civilians
        BY: Washington Free Beacon Staff
        April 19, 2015

        On Sunday night, 60 Minutes aired some of the most shocking and unedited footage from the 2013 sarin gas attack on the town of Damascus.

        The attack was labeled by the Secretary General of the United Nations as a “crime against humanity.” No one has been held accountable.

        Sarin gas is a nerve gas that is that is banned in virtually every country; the mere possession of it is a crime. The gas is odorless and colorless. It is also heavier than air and within seconds seeped under doorways in a matter of seconds. The attack happened late in the early morning hours of August 21, 2013.

        Kassem Eid described the rockets that exploded about 300 feet away from where he was living, as silent. Eid also said that in seconds he lost his ability to breathe and his eyes burned. Sarin gas causes paralysis of the respiratory system, so oxygen cannot get to the brain, and victims lose control of their muscles.

        This is the deadliest sarin gas attack on civilians since 1988, when Saddam Hussein bombed his own citizens in Iraq. The gas was banned in 1997 along with other chemical weapons. In August 2012 President Obama set a red line when intelligence indicated Bashar Al-Assad’s regime was capable of using chemical weapons and asked for Assad to hand over Syrian’s stockpile of chemical weapons.

        Just days after the attack, the White House determined that Assad was responsible for the attacks on the thousands of innocent people, roughly half of which were children. U.S. intelligence has said the gas attacks were out of frustration from the Syrian army and the dictatorship after years of shelling and starving failed to break the rebels.

        • JACK H

          Israel gave the gas to ISIS. another false flag operation. Assad never used chemical weapons and it’s never been proven. there is no civil war in Syria and no rebels. only U.S., Israeli, and SAUDI backing of ISIS and other terrorist mercinaries for regime change.

          • Clarinetto22

            @JACK H… You make me recall that one of the greatest Arab achievements throughout history were the famous Arabian Tales. Few stories can claim the same level of bizarrness Arabs can invent sometimes.

            • JACK H

              shut up hasbarat troll.

              • PeaceDoc

                So it’s come to this. Huh Jack. Frustration and name calling? Take your pills. Go lay down with your binky.

          • Prove it. Cite your sources.

          • PeaceDoc

            Wow. Please allow me to refer you to the home for the criminally insane. By the way,
            I’m sending the Mossad to your hovel. Be very very afraid.

            • JACK H

              no problem Jew terrorist.

              • PeaceDoc

                Just kidding Jackie Boy. Where do you live? I’d love to buy you a cup of coffee and discuss the issues. Maybe learn something from you.

              • PeaceDoc

                Jackie Boy. Just kidding. All in good fun. Where do you live? Let’s have coffee and discuss the issues. Teach me what you’ve learned.

          • Ken Kelso

            Tell me Mr Genius who murdered Hariri in Lebanon in 2005?
            Assad, Hezbollah and Iran

          • Ken Kelso

            Bashar al-Assad steps up chemical weapons attacks on civilians, although Obama promised he got rid of them all.
            By Guy Taylor
            June 17, 2015

            The chemical weapons deal the Obama administration helped negotiate with Syria two years ago came under withering scrutiny Wednesday as Congress aired gruesome testimony of how the Assad regime has used chlorine barrel bombs in more than two dozen recent attacks on civilians — leaving lawmakers in both parties frustrated by the president’s claim to have rid the war-torn nation of chemical munitions.

            “My heart grieves for the Syrian people. I only wish that we had made some different policy choices in Washington three years ago,” said Rep. Eliot L. Engel, the top Democrat on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, who openly questioned the administration’s decision-making on Syria policy during the panel’s hearing.

            Mr. Engel, who three years ago urged President Obama to arm the Syrian resistance, said the U.S. is “still trying to find our way” in Syria, and the administration’s approach has been “a disaster” that empowered the Islamic State and left Mr. Assad with the capability to kill his own people with chlorine bombs.

            The White House brushed aside the criticism, saying it felt it had no choice but to allow Syria to keep chlorine as part of the chemical weapons removal deal that was quickly put together with Mr. Assad and Russian diplomats in 2013 — because chlorine has widespread nonmilitary uses such as sterilizing drinking water.

            While using chlorine as a weapon is forbidden under international law, industrial chlorine used for peaceful purposes is not technically banned by any chemical weapons treaties.

            White House spokesman Josh Earnest pushed back against the suggestion that administration officials had jumped the gun last year by claiming the chemical weapons removal deal with Syria was a success.

            “I don’t think there’s anybody who stood at this podium or any others suggesting that every — that all chlorine should be removed from Syria,” he said. “What we’ve insisted upon is that the outrageous, catastrophic, violent behavior of the Assad regime that’s been perpetrated against the Syrian people should come to an end — and that includes the use of chlorine to try to attack people.”

            As the violence in Syria mounted three years ago, President Obama initially said the use of chemical weapons would represent a “red line,” but faced wide criticism when Mr. Assad appeared to cross that line without consequences.

            The world watched in horror in August 2013 when gruesome images emerged showing the horrific aftermath of a sarin gas attack that killed hundreds of women and children in the opposition-controlled outskirts of Damascus.

            It was then that the Obama administration and Russia suddenly brokered the agreement to allow Mr. Assad to stay in power and avoid a direct confrontation with the U.S. military as long as he relinquished his banned chemical weapons through a U.N.-backed process.

            In June 2014 the international Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) declared that deadly elements of Syria’s chemical arsenal such as mustard gas agents and sarin had all been successfully removed from the nation and destroyed. Secretary of State John F. Kerry also declared the effort a success, testifying before Congress at one point last year that the Obama administration had gotten “all the chemical weapons out of Syria.”

            The Syrian military’s more recent shift to using chlorine barrel bombs suggests that a gaping hole was left open in the weapons removal deal — and it is prompting mounting pressure on the White House. By September 2014, Mr. Kerry and other administration officials were condemning Damascus over OPCW reports it had deployed chlorine gas in attacks on rebel villages.

            “The Assad regime’s horrifying pattern of using chlorine as a chemical weapon against the Syrian people underscores the importance of investigating this allegation as quickly as possible,” Mr. Kerry said in a March statement, when another alleged chlorine attack was reported. “The Assad regime must be held accountable for such atrocious behavior.”

            Syria’s government has repeatedly denied it has used either banned chemical weapons or chlorine in its civil war, but the U.N. Security Council in March adopted a U.S.-sponsored resolution strongly condemning the use of toxic chemicals, including chlorine, in the Syrian conflict amid mounting evidence of continuing deadly chemical attacks.

            Describing the horrors

            Mr. Earnest’s comments came after a prominent Syrian doctor appeared on Capitol Hill Wednesday with sobering testimony of the horrors associated with chlorine barrel bombs that have been targeting civilians in Syria.

            “The majority of the attacks happen in the middle of the night or early morning,” said Dr. Mohamed Tennari, who has treated hundreds of patients for chlorine exposure at a field hospital in the opposition-controlled northern Syrian province of Idlib.

            In testimony before the Foreign Affairs Committee, Dr. Tennari said 31 separate chlorine attacks have been carried out in the province since mid-March, with more than 540 Syrian civilians — many of them young children and elderly — affected by exposure and 10 people dying from suffocation.

            “Victims described smelling a bleachlike odor,” the doctor explained. “Patients of all ages experienced similar symptoms, consistent with exposure to a choking agent, including redness and burning of the eyes, shortness of breath, coughing and, for severe cases, frothing at the mouth.”

            “When choking agents are inhaled, fluid ultimately fills the lungs and the victims suffocate.”

            While the death toll is significantly lower than what would be expected from attacks by more conventional chemical weapons, such as sarin, Dr. Tennari said the chlorine attacks trigger no less fear and panic among civilians.

            He voiced frustration that the international community — Washington included — had not done enough to confront the Syrian military for carrying out the attacks.

            “It is an ironic and twisted fact that the government of Syria was allowed to join the Chemical Weapons Convention in October of 2013, yet since then has time and time again violated the rules of the convention by deliberately using chlorine against its own civilians, and faces no consequences,” he said. “Congress must push the administration to revisit the U.S.-Russia deal of September 2013 with the intention of adding further measures to prevent the use of weaponized chlorine and show that these flagrant and deadly violations have consequences.”
            But some doubt the Obama administration will take any new action.

            “I’m not sure I understand why the administration is reluctant to call it out and do something about it,” said Jeffrey Lewis, an arms control expert at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey. “I get that they’ve made a decision that they don’t want to get wrapped into Syria’s civil war, but dropping barrels filled with chlorine is a flagrant violation of the chemical weapons convention.

            “It’s a war crime,” he said in an interview.

            At the same time, however, Mr. Lewis said that the emergence of the chlorine barrel bombs “does not necessarily mean that the deal we struck with Assad was a bad one — because it did get rid of the very worst chemical weapons in Syria.”

            “But it’s still a problem, and there are things we could do to retaliate,” he added. “If you knew which units were dropping chlorine barrel bombs from helicopters, well, we could target those units. … We could lob a cruise missile at an airfield that we thought a barrel bomb attack had started from.”

            House Committee on Foreign Affairs Chairman Edward R. Royce, California Republican, complained that the Obama administration is dragging its feet with any serious response — military or nonmilitary — to Syrian war crimes.
            “Last month, the president still spoke of needing further confirmation that it was the Assad regime that is responsible for the chemical attacks,” he said. “Let’s be clear: Only Assad’s forces have helicopters.”

            Mr. Royce suggested that the Pentagon should get serious about creating a no-fly zone over Syria. And, he said, the administration “should also be looking at other more immediate, nonmilitary methods that might save lives.”

            “Radar systems for opposition-held areas could serve as early-warning systems. Air raid sirens could sound the alarm. And sensors could detect chemical weapons and allow first responders to be prepared as they rush to aid victims.”

    • Robert Munro
    • usebrain

      GAYS are been treated as RED LINE drawing tool and good for nothing except roaming round the world and speaking which will not help Ukraine nor the Syrian opposition.
      Isreal learned how the GAYS who are out of GOD will do…thatz the reason Saudi signed SAM with Russians…that’s the reason Egypt purchased weapons from France..Thats the reason Turkey infact increased trade with Russians and Iranians
      Time will come that Middle East will make the GAYS to take this ships back to their yards..i am worried that my country is moving towards GAY leaving off Russians and PAK taking the place where we left vaccum