Saudi Royal Infighting Threatens US Standing In The Middle East

A peaceful transition of power is quickly devolving into fierce infighting as members of the extended House of Saud jockey for power. These squabbles could have major ramifications beyond Saudi borders, even impacting U.S. foreign policy in the region.
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    Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, 2nd right first row, poses with Shura members at consultative Shura Council in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia’s new monarch isn’t wasting time. Since assuming the throne Jan. 23, King Salman has elevated some of his closest relatives and sidelined previous power-brokers, tightened decision-making and promised lavish payouts designed to win early goodwill.

    RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has seen many kings rise and fall over the decades. Yet the death of King Abdullah last month may prompt the unravelling of the last great modern empire, and it will almost certainly lead to a dramatic change in U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

    While the kingdom’s future policies may not veer far from those put in place by Abdullah, a monarch Western leaders have held up as a reformer and a man of peace, intra-royal relations remain a matter of great concern, according to Sevil Mikayilova, an expert on Middle Eastern and Central Asian affairs and editor in chief of AzerNews, an Azerbaijani media outlet.

    “Although the very thorny matter of royal succession was pre-emptively handled by late King Abdullah through the appointment of a crown prince [Prince Salman] and a deputy crown prince [Prince Muqrin], Saudi Arabia’s court is alight with fiercely competitive and opposing ambitions,” Mikayilova told MintPress News.



    “Inner tension and political maneuverings are what stand to implode Saudi Arabia and ultimately force Western powers, most predominantly the United States, to reposition themselves in the region through new alliances,” she added.

    However, Maziar Behrooz, an associate professor at the History Department of San Francisco State University, argues that the kingdom remains strong and united.

    “Although the kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy, its internal and foreign policy is developed through a consensus among the ruling class, so the death of King Abdullah will not make a major difference,” Behrooz explained to MintPress.

    “Saudi policy toward the peace process, Iran or the oil issue will probably not change in a dramatic manner.”

    The historic alliance which saw U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt reach out to Abdulaziz ibn Saud, the first king of modern Saudi Arabia, in February 1945 for the sake of U.S. prosperity and geo-strategic positioning, could now be turned on its head. Following two decades under Abdullah’s reign, princes and factions are jockeying for Riyadh, playing sectarian tensions and regional alliances to exert pressure on their political foes — and the U.S. is caught in the crossfire. At the same time, Saudi Arabia’s station as regional superpower has been dwarfed by the rises of Turkey and Iran.

    Faced with a series of overlapping social, economic and political crises at home, as well as the ever-increasing threat of radicalism at its borders, Saudi Arabia’s hold on hegemony is wavering.

    While Abdullah exerted many efforts toward bringing the region to heed, this sense of control was shattered in 2011. Left blowing in the wind is the very fabric which the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) region are woven into.

    “[T]hough for a time at least King Abdullah’s policies in the [MENA region] seemed to bear fruits — the kingdom successfully spearheaded counter-revolutions to shore up tyrannical regimes in Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia as well as shielded his own backyard garden by invading and occupying Bahrain — inner political tensions and irresponsible foreign policies now threaten to unravel this house of cards,” Ahmed Mohamed Nasser Ahmed, a Yemeni political analyst and former member of Yemen’s National Issues and Transitional Justice Working Group at the National Dialogue Conference, told MintPress.

    Born in the desert of Najd, Saudi Arabia — a kingdom built under the umbrella of imperial Britain, on the back of an alliance forged over two centuries ago between the House of Saud and Mohammed Abdel Wahhab, the founding father of Wahhabism, a violent and acetic branch of Sunni Islam — is eroding.

    The very monarchy the British empire helped shape long ago to counter the Ottoman and Persian Empires had been weakened to its very core. In the “Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East,” Hempher, a self-proclaimed British spy, explained how at the turn of 18th century imperial Britain sought to exploit Wahhabism as a means to weaken the Ottoman Empire through an agent-country network, like the nascent kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

    Although the kingdom wouldn’t officially take form until 1932, the House of Saud was long instrumental in remapping the Arabian Peninsula in line with the British agenda.

     

    A crash course in Saudi Kremlinology

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    “If Washington was rather pleased to hear that King Salman’s first order of business was to elect his full nephew, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, to deputy crown prince and minister of interior, thus opening the corridors of power to the next generation of royals, U.S. officials have remained blind to the dangerous storm which is brewing in Riyadh over the Sudairi coup,” Ahmed said.

    Salman’s rise to power and the nomination of his nephew, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, laid bare deep national and regional political faultlines.

    Though Abdullah’s former crown prince now carries the much coveted title of Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques, others appear quite determined to stifle his reign, if not cut it short.

    Behind the smiles and the reassuring handshakes, Salman has scrambled to counteract and destroy the ambitions of Muqrin, the leader of what has been dubbed the opposition.

    Like his father before him, Mohammed has become a formidable power within the royal family. The son of one of the Sudairi Seven, he carries with him the legacy of one of Al Saud’s most powerful factions.

    Salman may have ensured that his direct lineage would rule uncontested through a clever government reshuffle — upon assuming the crown, he issued over 30 decrees back to back, promoting and demoting royals in an unprecedented shake up. Yet it’s just such radical changes which have raised the kingdom’s temperature and led regional powers to choose sides.

    Widely believed to be the last capable son of Abdulaziz, as all others, including Salman, are in poor health, Muqrin has markedly different ideas on what direction the kingdom should take — including the highly sensitive issue of power sharing.

    Like Salman, Muqrin has sought to assert his clan’s footing in the kingdom. Though this power struggle has remained confined within Saudi borders, developments in the region offer insight into the kingdom’s internal struggles.

    “It was difficult, for example, this January to ignore the absence to King Abdullah’s funeral of United Arab Emirates President Khalifa bin Zayed, his deputy Mohammed bin Rashid, and Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed,” Anthony Biswell, an external Yemen consultant with IHS, a global information company, told MintPress.

    Openly opposed to Mohammed, UAE royals made sure that Salman would heed their warning. And it’s apparent that the entire region took note of the underlying threat behind the snub.

     

    The Sudairi coup

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    Among Abdulaziz’s 35 sons, the most formidable family group is the Sudairi Seven – named after their mother, Hassa Al Sudairi, who was said to have been Abdulaziz’s favorite wife. By all accounts, these seven have resolutely strived to get to the throne and not let it go. So it came as a great surprise when Abdullah rose through the ranks to be appointed heir to the throne by King Fahd, the first Sudairi monarch, in 1982.

    Consequently, Abdullah’s top priority after ascending to the throne in 2005 was to establish an Allegiance Council in April 2006 that included all the factions of Abdulaziz’s family. It was principally designed as to enable the monarch to counter the Sudairi bloc by galvanizing support from marginalized factions.

    A keen strategist, Abdullah understood that for the kingdom to avoid falling to infighting, the Sudairi brothers’ ambitions had to be curtailed. Though Abdullah held true to his promise by appointing consecutive Sudairi princes — Sultan, Nayef and Salman — to succeed him, he did so with one key failsafe: He prevented the rise of Mohammed as direct heir to the throne by appointing Muqrin as his deputy crown prince.

    Abdullah knew that if Salman were to become king he would certainly name either his full brother Prince Ahmed or Mohammed as crown prince. Thus, Abdullah surprised the court last March by appointing Muqrin, the youngest of Abdulaziz’s sons, as his second nominated heir, stripping Salman of his right to chose his own successor.

    In retrospect, Abdullah’s moves may have been dictated by his desire to see his own son, Prince Metab, become Saudi Arabia’s next crown prince under Muqrin’s command and thus secure his own lineage and legacy.

    Somewhat of a pariah in Riyadh due to his Yemeni heritage, Muqrin was bound to return Abdullah’s favor by paving the way for his nephew Metab — or so Abdullah envisioned.

    “Riyadh’s corridors are, like in any monarchy, full of whispers and manipulations. King Abdullah, like any monarch, intended to secure his bloodline. He did so by positioning Muqrin before the Sudairi line, upsetting Prince Mohammed bin Nayef’s ambitions,” Ahmed, the Yemeni political analyst, said.

    Yet Abdullah’s drawn-out illness provided Salman with a golden opportunity. As Abdullah’s hold on power weakened, the then-crown prince devised a Sudairi comeback, exploiting Mohammed’s ties with Western capitals to support his power play.

    While Salman has judged it too risky to do away with his imposed crown prince, his decision to dismiss three key figures of Abdullah’s court — Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Khalid al-Tuwaijri and Prince Mutaib bin Abdullah — clearly set a tone.

    Days within beginning his reign, Salman dealt a mighty blow to Abdullah’s next of kin, Metab, by not only cutting his kinship dream by appointing a deputy crown prince, but by ripping through his powerbase.

    Metab was demoted from his position as the head of the special Royal National Guard and both of his brothers — Prince Mishaal, governor of Mecca, and Prince Turki, governor of Riyadh — were dismissed.

    With the Sudairi attempting such a comeback, hundreds of princes have been left feeling more than just a little resentful. Egos and ambitions are set to clash over the crown, and thus, Saudi Arabia’s peaceful transition of power could instead devolve into a violent unravelling.

     

    Playing piggy in the middle


    With so many American interests riding on Salman’s ability to quell internal political dissent and silence regional powers’ ambitions to challenge Al Saud’s hegemony in the region, U.S. officials are between a rock and a hard place, especially since building new friendships in the region — with Iran, for example — could equate to gravely upsetting the kingdom.

    As Salman will surely look to reassert the House of Saud’s footing in the region by attempting to rally under his flag those powers which have attempted to remove themselves from under Al Saud’s shadow — namely, Yemen, Bahrain and Syria — Riyadh’s policies could prove at odds with U.S. interests.

    In Yemen, for example, Washington has invested a great deal of time and effort in engineering a peaceful transition of power in order to safeguard its counter-terror strategy in the Arabian Peninsula. Yet Saudi meddling in Yemeni politics could prove fatal to U.S. interests in the region.

    “The Saudi-staged return onto the scene of Yemeni President Hadi following a meeting in Riyadh with Islahi leaders has thrown the country out of its axis at a time when Ansarallah  [the Houthis’ political arm] finally set in motion political talks with Yemen’s warring factions under the guise of the United Nations Security Council,” Ali Al Bukhaiti, a former spokesman for the Houthis, told MintPress.

    “Riyadh’s interference is jeopardizing Washington’s interests in Yemen, since unrest will benefit al-Qaida and risk throwing more territories at the mercy of terror militants, notwithstanding the fact that Al Saud has resumed throwing money at some of Yemen’s most radicals figureheads to challenge Houthi leadership,” Bukhaiti continued.

    In the Levant, where Washington has made some careful overtures vis a vis Iran to unlock a dangerous status quo in Syria toward neutralizing the ever-expanding rise of ISIS, Riyadh’s aggressive funding of radical militias has proven unnerving and counter-productive to U.S. interests.

    Yet with petrodollars, military interests and geo-strategic positioning featuring heavily in the equation, Washington can’t just walk away from its longstanding relationship with the House of Saud. It may have to, though. As Felix Imonti, a Canada-based political analyst with Geopolitical Monitor and author of “Violent Justice,” told MintPress, “Washington is realizing that Saudi Arabia is the greatest threat in the region.”

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    • Avery_23

      I hope he sees the light and switch to the good side! Drop the anglo-zionazis!

    • jOy

      Bunch of zion bloggers from the big pool of 50,000 Israhelli paid bloggers threading here. Israhell is insane, and worse than Bristish made Wahabbi robes here!

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    • Vartan Bedrosian

      As I said months ago that in coming few years no kingdom will be in the Middle East in Saudi Arabia and as well as
      in Jordan and Saudi Arabia will return to its previous years before 1932 as – Al Jazeera Al Arabia- as the Iraqi
      first king Faisal 1st ( Alaol ) in Arabic imported by British Government from there and installed as a King in Iraq.
      Same way installed Abdul Aziz Bin Seoud a King in Saudi Arabia.
      King Salem by his changed of Maqrun will create a big problem and our U.S. policies pro Saudi Arabia since
      decades were wrong and they have to have balance in the Middle East and do not have only one real close
      friend like Saudi Arabia.
      Our weaken foreign policies hurts our Country in Yemen, Bahrain, and also will be in Pakistan and Iran and
      if we lose Iran at this time we will lose more than we lose Saudi Arabia.
      Why all airstrikes on ISIS by U.S. and all other countries did not show one killed person from ISIS and if U.S.
      wants he can kill A-Baghdadi as they killed Saddam and Gadhafi but all the bombs did not hit ISIS and testing
      their Bombs in Iraqi and Syrian Deserts and only we saw smokes to sky and no killed body at all on the
      their places. All the world telling that U.S. with U.K. France created the ISIS and ISIL against Syrian Asaad,
      Where only saddam and Asaad were PRO CHRISTIANS and all other AGAINST Christians and so on.
      Our U.S. Foreign Policies since Kessinger was wrong as all Pro Israel and this is wrong and we have to have
      balance and I do not blame them as none of them knowing Muslims Culture and speak fluently Arabic or
      Persian too.
      PEACE ACTIVIST.

    • Mohammed Rasool

      We all know that the terrorist rulers of Saudiya Arabiya are the main supporters and exporters of terrorism in the world and despite this obvious fact you see the american government call them OUR CLOSE ALLIES so this make you wonder if the american government is involved in supporting terrorism

    • Mohammed Rasool

      shame on the united states government to speak about democracy and human rights and then have the barbarian reactionary terrorist rulers of Saudiya Arabiya as main ally, I mean this is total hypocricy and by doing this then the united states government totally lost its credibility

    • Kevin Jaworski

      That is what happened when a faith somehow allows having unlimited numbers of wives etc…… I really do not think this is of any divinity. I have never seen a faith with so many slippery slopes and expect harmony in the midst of its own people let alone with others of different faiths. Preposterous is the only appropriate word I can fine suitable!

    • ProDemocracy

      I am impressed with this article but some ignorant people are twisting the facts and lessons from this great article. Its stupid to insult the religion. Saud’s have nothing to do with Islam. There is no place for Kingdoms in Islam. This is the exact reason all these kings, Israel and West united against Democracy in Egypt. There is no mixing between Islam and these Western puppets. Again, I congratulate the author of this great article.

      • Karen

        Really? They support the rule under Sharia. I love how people define people as non-Islamic when the people consider themselves Islamic. I mean Obama loves to say that Daesh are not Islamic…..really? they think they are. Who are you to call the Sauds non-Islamic. Because your definition of the warped ideology doesnt fit their warped interpretation? I am sure there are Imams in Saudi Arabia who feel that the King is Islamic.

        • Robert Munro

          HERE ARE 2000 YEARS OF THE SELF-STYLED “CHOSEN”……….

          2000 years ago: (Torah and Talmud)

          Baba Mezia 114a-114b. “Only Jews are human” (Talmud)
          Sanhedrin 58b. “If a Gentile hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.” (Talmud)
          “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the non-Jew asks if our books contain anything against them.” -Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore 17
          “Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts…” -Saba Mecia 114, 6
          “When the Messiah comes every J6w will have 2800 slaves.”-Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56D

          Modern Judaism:
          Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus
          stated:
          “The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable.”
          “The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it.”

          “The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world domination
          by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship.
          In this New World Order, the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state.
          Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which it is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.”
          Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx (1879), printed in La Revue de Paris, p. 574, June 1, 1928

          “Our race is the Master Race. We J6ws are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is
          to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.” –
          Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk. (Kapeliouk was a highly respected Israeli journalist. New Statesman is a highly respected political journal in the UK).

          Ovadia Yosef, late Chief Rabbi of Israel and “spiritual” leader/advisor to various Israeli Prime Ministers, including Netanyahu (2001):
          “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

    • Karen

      Could they be uglier and more stupid looking if they tried? All they can do is spend their money and behead members of their kingdom. Ridiculous. These guys are no different from Iran, Daesh, Hamas, Hezbollah…..all cut from the same cloth…..Koran worshipping, Sharia following Islamofacists.

      • AJ

        “all cut from the same cloth…”!!! You couldn’t have said something more ignorant than this!

        • Karen

          Really…..they are all the same. Some might be shia or sunni or wahhabist…..but they all behead people…..they are all uncivilized..they are all misogynists…..none of them believe in western rights……the only difference is that some are actively fighting and others have their proxy engagements. So….instead of acting like a 2nd grader with the “ignorant” garbage….try actually making a reasonable point.

          • farsar

            They behead and you insert injection. Last time the inmate in Texas suffered for 15 minutes before his last breath. Western right. What is it? Lesbians and Gays. Are you Lesbian.

            • Karen

              We have a judicial system. Homophobic much? Nope….married with kids. Any other outrageously stupid comments you want to make Mohammed the goat rapist?

              • farsar

                Hey Lesbiian. and JEW Blood sucker. Allah said in Quran he made a tribe of Jews into pigs and monkey so which one are you. Another thing the kids are test tube babies. You attack my prophet than all gloves are off.

                • Karen

                  Your dipwad Mohammed :)?! I wish I could put a little cartoon of the tiny dicked man so that you could really implode! ROTFL!

                • farsar

                  I can be million times vindictive, nansty and dirty than you. You Lesbian, mother of test tube babies. You can’t intercourse. You are Lesbian.

                • Antievil

                  Farsar; There is no need to insult; it’s uncivilized. The Quran says nice things about ALL people including Jews, “Those who believe and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (Qur’an 2:62). Additionally, it commands, “Allah forbids you not,with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just( The Quran, 60: 8) Furthermore, the Muslim holy book asserts, “Indeed, Allah does not like the transgressors (2:190).

                  • farsar

                    She is say nasty things about our prophet, so you need to address her, She need to be taught a lesson about respecting other faith. You kinow more people convert to Islam than Jewish religion. I am just responding. If i see her in live, it would be different.

                    • Karen

                      Because he was a rapist and murderer. I don’t revere murderers. I don’t care that people are basically stupid and are converting to Islam. many would probably leave the religion except they fear for their lives if they were to do that….and legitimately so. I need to be taught a lesson. Throw me in a burka….and take my car keys away. Or call me a lesbian…..that must fit well into your religious teachings. Oh right….gays get what….500 lashes publicly. Until the “religion of peace” starts acting that way, i have no respect for it. Instead of teaching hatred of Jews….and I have seen Arab television, why don’t you teach science and math. You all have not offered the world any value in over a 1000 years. With 1.5 Billion people you have 1 noble laureat. Jews have 25% of science and math nobel prizes..and only 13 million people..because we prize education…..math and science. What about you do you want me to respect? I don’t see anything worthy of respect. And in person I would tell you the same thing.

                      • farsar

                        I think you are man, a hindu and an Indian. Why do you bother watching Arab television. Ok big deal. Allah has promised the descended of prophet Abraham of giving them the best of the world wealth and Arabs got the wealth under their feet. This prayer we recite in the prayer 5 times a day, so the knowledge was given to the children of Ishaq and wealth given to the children of Ismail.

                      • Karen

                        That is all you have. You don’t have values….you don’t have morals. You don’t have brains. And only a small segment of you are wealthy. All of the bottom feeders are going to rise up against the wealthy ones of you and you will implode….that is what Daesh is doing with the Royals in Saud and Jordan right now. So feel omnipotent….when the world doesn’t need oil….and you all continue to spend with no ability to earn money any other way…..you will all be goat herders in no time. I hope I get to see it! It will be beautiful!

                      • farsar

                        The article had nothing to with Islam, but you attack Islam You don’t make sense at all. The whole muslim world is against saudi royal family and the Jordanian royal family. They were installed by the British. They will removed in time. Moses was a sheep herder right.

                      • Karen

                        Sure it does. It is about a bunch of extremist dictatorial Islamists. When I see them and you I see a hunch of uneducated and murderous thugs who’s want to kill me and my way of life. That is all I see.

                      • farsar

                        HAHA. Good for you

                      • Robert Munro
                      • Karen

                        And Moses was a herder thousands of years ago when that work was commonplace. We evolved. You have not. Most Islamists don’t even work. The just sit and collect a check. No work ethic. Either the collect oil money, a welfare check or compensation for blowing themselves up. God forbid the world gets taken over by such losers.

                      • farsar

                        I think you are on welfare checks. Jews are losers. They are only surviving because of America, which will be short lived. Get ready for gas chamber. I pay more taxes than you you in a year. They will be hiding behind a tree to save their life. HAHAHA

                      • Robert Munro
                      • Robert Munro

                        VOLTAIRE (François Marie Arouet)

                        Why are the Jews hated? It is the inevitable result of their laws; they either have
                        to conquer everybody or be hated by the whole human race.

                        The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations,
                        and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the
                        well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous–cringing in misfortune and
                        insolent in prosperity. (Essai sur les moeurs)

                        You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and
                        the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest
                        people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in
                        impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be
                        punished, for this is your destiny. (From a letter to a Jew who had written
                        to him, complaining of his ‘anti-Semitism.’ Examen des quelques objections. . .
                        dans l’Essai sur les moeurs.)

                        You will only find in the Jews an ignorant and barbarous people, who for a long time have joined the most sordid avarice to the most detestabJe superstition and to the most invincible hatred of all peoples which tolerate and enrich them. (“Juif,” Dictionnaire Philosophique)

                        I know that there are some Jews in the English colonies. These marranos go
                        wherever there is money to be made But whether these circumcised who sell old
                        clothes claim that they are of the tribe of Naphtali or Issachar is not of the
                        slightest importance. They are, simply, the biggest scoundrels who have ever
                        dirtied the face of the earth. (Letter to Jean-Baptiste Nicolas de Lisle de Sales, December 15, 1773. Correspondance. 86:166)

                        They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.(Lettres de Memmjus a Ciceron, 1771)

                      • Karen

                        So you are an anti-semite and cannot communicate your own opinions without help. I have to go back to work….cannot waste my time on someone who cannot even formulate his own opinion. No wonder you are so easily swayed…..uneducated people usually are. Sheep…..baaaaa. No…..sheep are at least charming. You not so much. Bye.

                      • Robert Munro

                        My opinion of your cult is obvious. I prefer to provide evidence showing the reality and obscenity of Judaism……………

                        BENJAMIN FRANKLIN An extremely prophetic statement made at the Constitutional Convention in 1787…………

                        “I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. That menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon
                        which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a
                        state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to
                        death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal. For over 1,700 years, the
                        Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from
                        their homeland, as they call Palestine.

                        But, gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once
                        find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and
                        vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They
                        must subsist on Christians and other peoples not of their culture.

                        If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized our liberty.

                        If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.”

                        -From the diaries of Charles Pinckney, another signer of the Constitution. Published at his death in 1825.

                      • Robert Munro
                    • Karen

                      Boo hoo. Lol! She says bad things about Mohammed. You advocate genocide of all Jews. A little out if whack aren’t you? Rhetorical. Really.

                      • farsar

                        I wish HITLER had finished the job. You are hated by the whole world.

                      • Robert Munro

                        Stop!!! Jews are the heirs to Hitler – NOT civilized humans. It’s the job of humans to prevent these creatures from attaining their goals. You lower Islam and the cause against this self-styled master-race when you say things like that.

                      • Karen

                        Right….we have just won 25% of nobel prizes…..are the most educated in society. Right we are not civilized. You are a Islamofacist. lol! I hope you are ready to submit to the calph!

                      • fresnoman4man

                        “We” you say. That is pure Jewish racist garbage on your part. “Jews” are an ideological mind set. Many so-called “Jews” also claim to be atheists which exposes their fraudulent claim to a basis in religion. They falsely claim to to be a Semitic race like Palestinians and Arabs so as to lay a race-based entitlement claim to Palestine. The category of “Jewish” is more akin to the racial ideology espoused as Nazism. Just like the Nazis the “Jews” are infused with unbounded arrogance and sense of racial entitlement. It is notable that many people who were reared with a “Jewish” identity, particularly a so-called secular “Jewish” identity, have resigned from that situation. Of note are the well published authors Gilad Atzmon and Shlomo Sand who were born in “Jewish” occupied Palestine.

                      • Karen

                        We. The ones who work hard going to school and educating ourselves. Working hard to improve the world and even getting recognized for it. You are jealous and lazy. You diminish our accomplishments and hard work because you don’t have the drive or the motivation. You are pathetic.

                      • Robert Munro
                    • Robert Munro

                      I’m not Muslim. But I respect the majority of Islam and, when you respond to Jewish trolls in the same form they use you are lowering yourself to their level. That is not appropriate.

                      • Karen

                        Well you have not red the Koran and the Hadiths. You accuse me of “ignorance”.

                      • farsar

                        Have you read the Quran.

                      • Karen

                        Yes.

                      • farsar

                        They need to be stopped for nasty things about our beloved prophet. They have created Islamphobia. There are few Jews and Hindus who post comments under several names. It is organized.

                      • Robert Munro

                        Don’t worry about their comments. Worry about their desire to commit genocide against the Muslims and then the rest of humanity. Mohammad was wrong about accepting this cult of sociopaths as civilized.

                        Don’t lower yourself or your culture by exchanging insults with Jews. Tell the truth about Judaism…………..truth will destroy them.

                        “To communicate anything with a Goy about our relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”

                        All non-Jews are “Goyim” to these creatures and that statement from both the Torah and Talmud is correct. The truth is POISON to Judaism.

                  • Karen

                    Antievil….I appreciate that there are some Islamists who are not advocating rape and murder, however, there are large swaths of you all that are extremist. And I have read the Koran and hadiths…..and there is plenty of justifications to harm non believers. Just this week someone was sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia for turning away from Islam. This was in line with Sharia. So you can claim everything is wonderful…..but a ton of you are not looking at the world like you are. You can be in denial of that…..I cannot afford to be in denial of that.

                  • Karen

                    Antievil……this is your co-religionist…and he says he is quoting from the Koran. Are you guys reading the same book? There is no love here for Jews that I can see. Taqiyya. I am sure you are familiar with this concept. Which one of you are employing it? You think that all non-muslims are fools….Antievil. Think again.

                    “Hey Lesbiian. and JEW Blood sucker. Allah said in Quran he made a tribe of Jews into pigs and monkey so which one are you. Another thing the kids are test tube babies. You attack my prophet than all gloves are off.”

                    • Robert Munro

                      HERE ARE 2000 YEARS OF THE SELF-STYLED “CHOSEN”……….

                      2000 years ago: (Torah and Talmud)
                      Baba Mezia 114a-114b. “Only Jews are human” (Talmud)
                      Sanhedrin 58b. “If a Gentile hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.” (Talmud)
                      “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the non-Jew asks if our books contain anything against them.” -Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore 17
                      “Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings
                      but beasts…” -Saba Mecia 114, 6
                      “When the Messiah comes every J6w will have 2800 slaves.”-Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56D

                      Modern Judaism:
                      Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva (school of Talmud) in Nablus
                      stated:
                      “The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable.”
                      “The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it.”

                      “The Jewish people as a whole will become its own Messiah. It will attain world domination by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the
                      annihilation of monarchy and by the establishment of a world republic in which
                      the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this New World Order, the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state.
                      Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which it is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands.”
                      Baruch Levy, Letter to Karl Marx (1879), printed in La Revue de Paris, p. 574, June 1, 1928

                      “Our race is the Master Race. We J6ws are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our
                      slaves.” –
                      Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in
                      Begin and the Beasts,” New Statesman, June25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk. (Kapeliouk was a highly respected Israelijournalist. New Statesman is the UK’s equivalent of Foreign Affairs magazine).

                      Ovadia Yosef, late Chief Rabbi of Israel and “spiritual” leader/advisor to various Israeli Prime Ministers, including Netanyahu (2001):
                      “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.”

                • Robert Munro

                  DO NOT take yourself to the moral level of the Jews. Lies and gratuitous insults are what Jews do. Civilized people (Gentiles – including Muslims) do not!!!

                  • Karen

                    Obviously that is not the case. i would be happy to show many examples of inappropriate comments by Islamists. And if that were all that you did was inappropriate comments….Jews would be delighted. Gleeful! It is the hate and indoctrination and the desire to commit a genocide against all Jews that we take issue with. You are indeed, uncivilized. When you think that words are what differentiates you from animals. It is not words it is deeds. And Islamists all over the world are showing their deeds…..Daesh, Boko Haram, Hamas, islamic Jihad, in countries around the world….including France, London, Denmark, Canada, the US and Australia. You thinking is so distorted to believe that words are what delineate Islamists from the civilized world. Try not killing, raping and teaching and learning math and science over other preferred koran-driven behaviour.

                  • Karen

                    yes…..don’t have a moral compass! don’t try to help the world and make it a better place!!! stay as skum and don’t offer the world anything but death and destruction!! We love you little islamists just the way you are! ROTFL!!!

              • Antievil

                Karen: You have nothing intelligent to say, so you spew filth of bigotry, which is not the ethos of civilized people, who make a point without insulting. You are worse than savages and need to be educated and civilized.

                • Karen

                  Really? You haven’t made one point refuting what I have said. You have only insulted me. You are doing exactly what you said I did. Now try again. Try to make an argument this time.

              • Robert Munro

                Every time you touch that keyboard, you are displaying your stupidity and superficiality. Your comment of “Mohammed the goat rapist” is nothing other than parroting Jewish hate propaganda.

                • Karen

                  Again. You are making no specific point about the issues at hand. My comment came after some ridiculous homophobic comments. Now try again. Say something of substance.

          • Icansee4miles

            That’s like saying Irish Catholics and English Protestants are the same! Do try to educate yourself, you homeschooled TBGR!! Dumb!!

            • Karen

              No you are dumb. That is not what I am saying. It depends on the basis for the comparison. I did not say that all of the groups believe all the same tenants of the religion. I said that they all behead people and they all do. As such I could compare Irish Catholics and Protestants by saying that the are Christian. And they are. Perhaps you should learn a little about how to make a cogent argument. You are seriously lacking in ability.

      • farsar

        You fucking JEW. How about fucking TORA AND BIBLE.

        • Karen

          You are such a cute little islamofacist! LMFAO!

          • farsar

            Hey bitch you got wrong. I am cuter than you by mile you NEO NAZI.

            • Karen

              Oh you are ugly, uneducated, a homophobe, misogynist and stupid! Perfect! Just like 99.9% of your co-religionists! You are exactly as expected! You must be pictured above! Nice work! LOLOLOL

              • farsar

                I am more educated than you Lesbian. I respect every religion. I am only responding to an uneducated lesbian, who does not have self respect. EYE FOR AN EYE.

              • Robert Munro
              • Robert Munro

                VOLTAIRE (François Marie Arouet)

                The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations,
                and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the
                well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous–cringing in misfortune and
                insolent in prosperity. (Essai sur les moeurs)

                You seem to me to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, and
                the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest
                people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in
                impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be
                punished, for this is your destiny. (From a letter to a Jew who had written
                to him, complaining of his ‘anti-Semitism.’ Examen des quelques objections. . .
                dans l’Essai sur les moeurs.)

                You will only find in the Jews an ignorant and barbarous people, who for a long
                time have joined the most sordid avarice to the most detestabJe superstition
                and to the most invincible hatred of all peoples which tolerate and enrich
                them. (“Juif,” Dictionnaire Philosophique)

                I know that there are some Jews in the English colonies. These marranos go
                wherever there is money to be made But whether these circumcised who sell old
                clothes claim that they are of the tribe of Naphtali or Issachar is not of the
                slightest importance. They are, simply, the biggest scoundrels who have ever
                dirtied the face of the earth. (Letter to Jean-Baptiste Nicolas de Lisle de Sales, December 15, 1773. Correspondance. 86:166)

                They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if
                these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.(Lettres de Memmjus a Ciceron, 1771)

          • Robert Munro

            BENJAMIN FRANKLIN An extremely prophetic
            statement made at the

            Constitutional Convention in 1787…………

            “I fully agree with General Washington, that we must protect this young nation from an insidious influence and impenetration. That menace, gentlemen, is the Jews. In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been
            assimilated; have sneered at and tried to undermine the Christian religion upon
            which that nation is founded, by objecting to its restrictions; have built up a
            state within the state; and when opposed have tried to strangle that country to
            death financially, as in the case of Spain and Portugal. For over 1,700 years, the
            Jews have been bewailing their sad fate in that they have been exiled from
            their homeland, as they call Palestine.

            But, gentlemen, did the world give it to them in fee simple, they would at once
            find some reason for not returning. Why? Because they are vampires, and
            vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves. They
            must subsist on Christians and other peoples not of their culture.

            If you do not exclude them from these United States, in this Constitution, in less than 200 years they will have swarmed here in such great numbers that they will dominate and devour the land and change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives, our substance and jeopardized
            our liberty.

            If you do not exclude them, in less than 200 years our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be in the counting houses rubbing their hands. A leopard cannot change its spots. Jews are a menace to this country if permitted entrance, and should be excluded by this Constitutional Convention.”

            -From the diaries of Charles Pinckney, another
            signer of the Constitution. Published at his death in 1825.

      • Antievil

        It is wrong to assume that they follow Quran, which is accepting of others, “Those who believe and those whofollow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (Qur’an2:62). Additionally, it asserts that “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just( The Quran, 60: 8) Furthermore, the Muslim holy book warns, “Indeed, Allah does not like the transgressors (2:190). “Whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the
        life of all mankind.” (Quran, 5:32).

        • Robert Munro

          Baba Mezia 114a-114b. “Only Jews are human”
          (Talmud)

          Sanhedrin 58b. “If a Gentile hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.” (Talmud)

          “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the
          non-Jew asks if our books contain anything against them.”
          -Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore 17

          “Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings
          but beasts…” -Saba Mecia 114, 6

          “When the Messiah comes every J6w will have 2800 slaves.”-Simeon
          Haddarsen, fol. 56D

          • Antievil

            This racist and bigoted and defies common sense. Only delusional people think like that.

      • farsar

        It seems to me that you are an ugly jewish women.

      • Robert Munro

        Comparing the Saud filth to Iranians or others is a display of extreme ignorance/bigotry.

        • Karen

          Why don’t you consider some more supporting information. You have no understanding of my basis to draw any conclusions. Your assumption that I am unaware is inaccurate. It is easy to dismiss me with broad brushes. It is also meaningless.

    • Robert Munro

      Wouldn’t it be lovely if the entire Saud family of pigs would wipe each other out? They have resembled nothing more than a gang of hogs battling at the trough for the last 100 years.

    • Grad Cuypers

      In steeds meer landen lijken consumenten aankopen uit te stellen, waardoor het systeem ‘Liegen om te Leven’ steeds verder in de problemen komt. De Gouverneur van de Bank of England zei gisteren tijdens een hoorzitting in het Lagerhuis dat hij niet kan voorzien wat de toekomst gaat brengen. Het beste wapen tegen het deflatiespook is de invoering van het onvoorwaardelijk basisinkomen, maar dit ziet netwerk WitteGejT nog steeds niet zitten. Voorzitter Janet Yellen van de Federal Reserve liet gisteren ook al doorschemeren dat een Amerikaanse renteverhoging nog ver weg is. Dus …

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-24/if-fed-continues-there-wont-be-any-active-managers-left-5-years#comment-5826133

      Haha , dumbo’s at the FED are killing the last large and dominant industry that is left in the USA, the financial services industry.

      Let us see how money market funds does with negative rates.

      Netwerk Juncker: “Wij laten mensen onderling schulden met elkaar verrekenen, zonder rente. Zo laten we die lokale economie weer draaien.”

      http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4492/Nederland/article/detail/3873023/2015/02/25/Lokale-munteenheid-is-bezig-met-opmars.dhtml

      Het systeem ‘Liegen om te Leven’ is helemaal dolgedraaid en dus zijn er experts die uw maandelijkse loonstrookje kunnen ontcijferen. In het DAB-systeem kunt u uw loonstrookje ongeopend bij de post laten liggen, want de ‘brij aan cijfers en onleesbare afkortingen’ verdwijnen als sneeuw voor de zon, indien u kiest voor het systeem ‘Leven en Laten Leven’.

      http://www.volkskrant.nl/dossier-werk/zo-ontcijfert-u-de-cryptische-loonstrook~a3872625/

      Op allerlei plaatsen in Nederland lopen al initiatieven om het GELD=ZUURSTOF-paradigma uit te testen. Natuurlijk is ‘een plaatselijke munt’ niet het antwoord op de crisis, maar zolang de ECB niet wil werken volgens het DAB-systeem, moet je de mensen toch iets te doen geven.