Military Establishment Sees Budgets Blossom Despite Failure To Quash Terrorism

From the 2003 invasion of Iraq to current military action in Syria, the U.S.’ military-industrial machine is continuing to use the excuse of “fighting terrorism” to justify the growth of its budget and bureaucracy, despite evidence that their expansion has done little to stop terror groups.
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    While the U.S. has long justified its presence in Syria with the need to fight off Daesh (ISIS) and other militant extremist groups, some neo-conservatives – notably Tom Friedman of the New York Times – have called on Trump to “back off fighting” Daesh in Syria in order to ramp up “pressure on Assad, Iran, Russia and Hezbollah.”

    Though Friedman’s policy suggestions may leave some Americans scratching their heads over the call to ignore the terror group that has ostensibly been the foundation of recent U.S. military involvement in the Middle East, it is not altogether surprising, as the U.S. establishment has often used counterterrorism as a cover for not-so-covert regime change efforts.

    As journalist Gareth Porter noted for Middle East Eye, the very idea that U.S. counterterrorism efforts abroad can make the U.S. safer essentially amounts to a bait-and-switch operation. Since  2001, the Pentagon and the CIA, as well as other security and intelligence bureaucracies, have deliberately sacrificed sensible counterterrorism policy in the name of pursuing their own institutional interests.



    One of the clearest examples of this methodology was the 2003 invasion of Iraq, as counterterrorism specialists in the U.S. knew that overthrowing Saddam Hussein would not only strengthen al-Qaeda but also massively boost anti-American sentiment in the region. A potential uptick in Islamic extremism did not dissuade top Pentagon officials from the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Paul Wolfowitz, who some describe as the architect of the Iraq war, invented the justification that Iraq would become a “flytrap” for extremists, preventing them from spreading their influence elsewhere.

    Wolfowitz was wrong, as a 2005 intelligence assessment from the CIA later showed. The assessment, in contrast to the “flytrap” argument, found that the Iraq war had resulted in a massive increase in extremism – not just in Iraq, but throughout the Middle East. Another assessment released the following year found that those identifying as “jihadists” had become widely distributed geographically. This report predicted the growing terrorist threat of “self-radicalized cells” on a global scale.

    The Pentagon, the CIA, and other agencies have a vested interest in the continuation and perpetuation of war, as continuous military conflict allows their budgets to not only to stay as they are but continue to grow. Between 2001 and 2011, the U.S. spent $7.6 trillion on defense and homeland security. The Pentagon’s base budget alone ballooned from $290.5 billion in 2001 to $526.1 billion in 2011. In 2013, $16.6 billion was requested by the intelligence community specifically for counterterrorism efforts.

    Credit: National Priorities Project

    Credit: National Priorities Project

    Following the Bush years and confronted with the “anti-war” Obama administration, national security bureaucracies were forced to settle for a series of covert wars instead of large public wars like the invasion of Iraq. Former President Barack Obama soon proved to be the master of the covert war, giving the CIA’s burgeoning counterterrorism center (CTC) free reign to bomb any groups in Pakistan – and later Yemen – that were suspected of being linked to terrorism.

    While the CIA’s focus on covert airstrikes benefited its bureaucracy, critics argued that the agency’s actual ability to stop terrorism became limited as a result. As the Washington Post noted in 2011: “Critics, including some in the U.S. intelligence community, contend that the CIA’s embrace of “kinetic” operations, as they are known, has diverted the agency from its traditional espionage mission and undermined its ability to make sense of global developments such as the Arab Spring. Human rights groups go further, saying the CIA now functions as a military force beyond the accountability that the United States has historically demanded of its armed services.”

    The CIA’s CTC has benefited handsomely since the start of the “War on Terror,” despite criticism of the center. With only 300 employees on the day of the Sept. 11 attacks, it now employs thousands.

    However, like the invasion of Iraq, the CTC’s bombing of so-called “militants” in Yemen did nothing to make the U.S. safer. The CTC, despite former CIA director Michael Hayden’s assertions to the contrary, clearly lacked the intelligence for the campaign, given that one-third of all strikes in Yemen killed innocent civilians.

    However, 20 percent of the CTC’s employees are said to work as “targeters” who scan for individuals to recruit, arrest or place in the crosshairs of a drone. The debacle has fed anti-American sentiment in Yemen and strengthened the Yemeni terrorist group al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP).

    In light of these facts, it could be asserted that the CIA, as well as other military and intelligence agencies, have waged conflict not to maintain national security, but to line their pockets and retain their power. In Porter’s words: “it is because they had to sacrifice the priority of countering al-Qaeda to maintain the alliances, the facilities and the operations on which their continued power and resources depend.”

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    • Nat Adams

      yep Obama did that alright the Homeless veterans either died due from the lack of health care or were jailed for being homeless

    • tapatio

      NOBODY IS “OBSESSED” WITH FILTH LIKE YOU, MAJOR PEDERAST. I SIMPLY WISH TO INSURE THAT READERS ON THIS SITE KNOW EXACTLY THE SORT OF GUTTER EXCREMENT THAT SHILLS FOR JUDAISM AND YOU ARE THE PERFECT POSTER BOY.

      AND, I’M SURE THAT YOUR CREDIBILITY IS NO MORE “ENDOWED” THAN YOU ARE. LEARN TO TYPE, IDIOT.

      • James Wherry

        You’ve just sent me 3 posts and responded to yourself about me twice on this same thread, your comments were meaningless attacks and sexual perversion.

        You are obsessed with me.

    • James Wherry

      SORRY TO BLOW “TAPATIO’S” TINY LITTLE MIND, BUT PRESIDENT OBAMA SUCCESSFULLY REDUCED OUR NATION’S HOMELESS VETERAN STATISTIC IN HALF. CITIBANK IS NOT OPENING UP ATM’s IN AFGHANISTAN OR IRAQ. BOEING IS SELLING PLANES TO IRAN.

      “Obama Says Population of Homeless Veterans Cut in Half”
      By John Parkinson, Aug 1, 2016
      http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-obama-highlight-homelessness-convention-disabled-veterans/story?id=41043461

      “Boeing signs $3 billion deal with Iran’s Aseman Airlines”
      by Ivana Kottasova, April 4, 2017
      http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/04/investing/boeing-iran-aseman-airlines-3-billion-deal/index.html

    • tapatio

      SORRY TO BURST THE FANTASY BUBBLE OF JAMES WHERRY AND OTHER MILITARY WORSHIPERS
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61f956c922d482a2cf7e18ecff55fc8cd3cd005dda6e2161799f86b18466f18d.jpg

    • James Wherry

      This is why we fight.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6210d826b3252bf23bb76a4a1a4f3cd1cb5c273b7064bac0fcc7058c5f32ec96.jpg

      “Voices of the d@mned: These horrifying stories from concentration camp victims reveal, with chilling clarity, why this week North Korea was likened to Naz! Germany”

      * There are around 30 concentration camps in the Korean totalitarian regime
      * Three generations of a family can be imprisoned for one member’s crime
      * The camps have been a staple since it was ruled by the Kim family in 1948
      * One man imprisoned for using government newspaper to mop up a spill
      * Innmates are subjected to cruel torture and barbaric treatment

      By Guy Walters, 21 February 2014

      Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565240/Voices-damned-These-horrifying-stories-concentration-camp-victims-reveal-chilling-clarity-week-North-Korea-likened-Nazi-Germany.html#ixzz4fw8A1vtK

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    • Keen
    • Theory model: The actual goal of the CIA/Pentagon/& US State Dept. is to promote conditions for increasing the US Security State budget as much as possible in the short, intermediate, and long term. US history since WWII indicates that this model is a much, much better predictor of US behavior than almost any other. Stories about promoting Democracy, or Human Rights, or stability are repeatedly shown to be false. Those models fail. Increasing the Security State budget and power model makes consistently correct predictions – not only about the direction of the budget itself, but also about the conditions that result from US “interventions” and how they affect future budgets.

    • Ol’ Hippy

      I question why the US is engaged in the Middle East at all. Why the $4-6 trillion spent fighting a pointless war with no winners, only losers?(mostly the civilians killed and displaced and American soldiers) The imperialist war profiteers are the only winners that I see, the ones that have become fabulously wealthy at the expense of mankind. Everybody else loses as the failing infrastructure, schools, social supports, including SS, the VA, feeding people of poverty, etc. Just think if those $6 trillion were spent on education, global poisoning/warming solutions, care for the infirm, universal healthcare, infrastructure, etc, things would be far different today. Going back even further, think how much better the world would be if instead of the continuous war since WW II there was a push toward universal peace. Instead we’re facing annihilation yet again, from not just nuclear war but also global poisoning/warming. Just think about it.

    • dale ruff

      The more US foreign policy fails and mliitary aggression backfires (unless chaos and death ARE the goal), themor money is needed to continue the work. As Albert Einstein said: Madness is thinking that spending trillions on failed wars will work if we only spend more money. (paraphrase).

      Throwing money at a schools or social programs is a waste of hard-earned cash, but funding wars and death and destruction makes perfect sense.

      • James Wherry

        Dale, for those of us who are conservatives, we’re often more willing to put Federal tax dollars into schools rather than people to teach in them, or roads and bridges, rather than training for the workers to build them. Like as not, we often fail to see the good of investment in human capital – especially since the American Left is always and forever crying “Wolf!” or telling us that “Things are getting worse! Always and forever, they are getting worse, and we need more money for our social welfare programs!”

        Then there’s the guy in San Francisco who formed a “non-profit” to help get guns off the streets and won a $500,000 city counsel grant. He then paid himself a $490,000 salary as the head of the NGO.

        The Trillions of Dollars include social welfare programs within the DoD like the VA, retirement benefits and the G.I. Bill, so it does not necessarily translate into new weapons without end.

        The real truth is that, if we want better weapons, we have to start demanding better products and open bidding for those we get. We also have to demand that America WITHDRAW from its commitments overseas. Close our Korean bases. Close Japan. Close Kuwait. Turn our bases in NATO over TO NATO and just be a tenant.

        My complaint about President Obama was that he wanted to reduce the number of U.S. service members, BUT NOT OUR COMMITMENTS, OVERSEAS. That’s a big problem.

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    • tapatio

      In the last century, the United States military has defeated Japan……….PERIOD. Japan would fit inside California with plenty of space left over. Yeah, we “defeated” Iraq, Panama and a few other countries – with militaries about the size of ONE of our state’s National Guards.

      Russia and England defeated Naz! Germany. Russia alone took TEN MILLION military casualties (plus 20 million civilians) and depleting German resources. Most of Germany’s personnel and material losses were inflicted by Russia.

      Of course, Kim Jong Un’s family hasn’t defeated us in almost 70 years of peeing contest.

      A tiny Southeast Asian nation, using people wearing jammies and flip-flops and using Chinese/Russian surplus weapons kicked the manure out of the US.

      And, in the Middle East, our video games will have wiped out ALL of the civilian populations long before we can make a dent in the CIA supported “terrorists”.

      • Norm

        Your role-model, another self-loathing America-hating Jew just like you are, couldn’t agree with you more.

        https://iransnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/4b422-20060926.gif

        • tapatio

          Well, little yehudon, I’m not a Jew and am not related to any Jews. Noam Chomsky is almost a civilized Jew – although he’s very reticent about telling the truth about that disease/cult…………

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01a9bfb68d7d61eebb5d41eea0b255a2a3e40b2b6fb1d6baa858b4d38357a509.jpg

          • tapatio
            • James Wherry

              So, you’re saying that the Jews made the Palestinians into “Cowards?”

              We both know where this staged photo came from. The child’s cowardly Palestinian parents shoved him forward to throw rocks at the IDF Soldier at a checkpoint. Notice that he already has a cast on his arm. Maybe his parents assumed he was the “expendable” child? Either way, THEY weren’t going to get involved or risk THEIR lives!

              The IDF Soldier restrained the pot child until he could be transported for treatment.

              • tapatio

                FAIRY BOY, THAT PHOTO CAME FROM A SOLIDARITY VOLUNTEER WORKING ON THE WEST BANK.

                YOUR COMMENT ABOVE IS PRETTY MUCH PROOF OF YOUR GUTTER MORAL LEVEL – A GOOD MATCH FOR THE JEWISH CULT YOU WORSHIP.

                YOU, THE REST OF THE FAKE-CHRISTIAN ZIONAZlS AND THE 65 TO 85% OF JEWS WHO (according to most Jew sources) ARE ZIONISTS, ARE THE LOWEST FORM OF SUB-HUMAN EXCREMENT ON EARTH. THERE IS NOTHING YOU CREATURES WON’T DO IN YOUR DESPERATION TO “WIN”.

            • tapatio

              THE CREDIBILITY OF JAMES “PEDERAST” WHERRY (whose drivel is below) A SELF-STYLED “CHRISTIAN” ZIONIST (How can any human claim to follow Christ and promote the crimes of Zionism?) TROLL IN THE EMPLOY OF ISRAEL CAN BE JUDGED FROM WHAT HE IS…………………………

              JAMES WHERRY WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO USE HIS NAME AND A PHOTO THAT COULD BE TRACED. TURNS OUT THAT HE IS……………..

              1 A SELF-STYLED “CHRISTIAN” ZIONIST. THESE, AH, PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT, ONCE ALL OF THE JEWS ARE GATHERED IN PALESTINE, SOMETHING CALLED “ARMAGEDDON” WILL HAPPEN AND ALL OF THE “CHRISTIAN” ZIONISTS WILL BE WHISKED UP TO HEAVEN WITH THEIR BODIES INTACT IN THE HOLY 0RGASM THEY CALL THE “RAPTURE”. NOBODY HAS EVER EXPLAINED TO THE OTHER 99% OF CHRISTIANITY HOW THESE FUNDAMENTALISTS WHACK-A-MOLES CAN BELIEVE THAT JESUS OR HIS DAD WOULD EVER SUPPORT SUCH FANTASIES OR THE CRIMES SUPPORTED BY PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS.

              2) A MAJOR IN THE US ARMY FROM “CIVIL AFFAIRS”. BABY-BOOMERS MIGHT RECALL THAT “CIVIL AFFAIRS” WAS PROMINENT IN THE “PHOENIX PROGRAM” IN VIETNAM……..THOSE WONDERFUL FOLKS WHO TOLD THE VIETNAMESE PEOPLE, “LOVE AMERICA OR WE’LL NAPALM YOUR VILLAGE.” WHERRY HAS ALSO BRAGGED ABOUT HELPING TO TRAIN THE STATE TERRORISTS OF UGANDA.

              3) A “GAY” PREDATOR THAT BOUGHT A BOY FROM THE PHILIPPINE SLUMS TO USE AS HIS SXX TOY. PRESUMABLY, THIS BOY HAS PAPERS CLAIMING THAT HE IS OF AGE. BUT, HE COULD PASS FOR A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL KID AND YOU CAN HAVE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE MADE IN THE PHILIPPINES FOR $100..
              https://www.facebook.com/james.wherry.39

              http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/article29462263.html

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtrbvD22CEQ
              JAMES WHERRY
              6300 MILGEN RD, APT 1403
              COLUMBUS, GA 31907
              (Wherry claims to have moved from the above address)
              OR AT
              6450 Way Ave Bldg 2839 • Fort Benning, GA 31905

            • James Wherry

              This is the second time you have tried to post the same fake news story on this thread. The child already has a cast on his arm. Did the Israeli soldier apply that to him?

              No calling his parents thrust him out at the soldier to throw rocks at the soldier. Then, when the soldier stopped him, one of your fake paparazzi snap a photograph in an effort to try to smear the soldiers without telling the story of the cowardly Palestinian parents.

          • Norm

            LOL. You know what gave you away? You’re overdoing it and you’re panicking.

            Now haven’t we seen that before…. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/dna-tests-reveal-hitler-s-jewish-and-african-roots-1.309938

            • tapatio

              Not too sure what the “F” you’re squealing about little ZioPig. It’s pretty common knowledge that Hitler’s grandfather was a Jew – who converted to Christianity. I wasn’t aware of (and don’t care) about some possible African link.
              There’s NO real genetic difference between 95% of Jews and any other European Caucasian – except for the fact that Jews are somewhat inbred. From a Spanish ancestor, who presumably had a Moorish ancestor, Semitic DNA can be traced in me, too……..but I’m Scottish/Norman.

              Who gives a flying frigate about DNA? When I refer to your diseased cult, I’m ONLY referring to JEWISH SOCIOPATHIC BEHAVIORS

              • Norm

                Everything about you is fake. Just as all the fake quotes/pics/vids and fake conspiracy theories you spout.

                You think you can fool everyone, all of the time, with your pathetic drivel? Why should anyone believe you about your ancestry when nothing you post makes any sense? You really believe that your childish name-calling of decent Christians who wholeheartedly support Israel is impressing anyone?

                You’re obviously a self-loathing Jew and probably discovered you’re a Jew unexpectedly. So when was it? Early in life or much later?

                • tapatio

                  ילד יהודי מסכן. אולי לאמא שלך יש בייגל בשבילך? יהודון, אתה לא יודע עליי חוץ ממה שאני מפרסם כאן.
                  עכשיו, לך תזדיין עם אחותך או עם אמא שלך

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    • James Wherry

      The United States is doing a fine job, helping the Iraqis destroy ISIS in Iraq, the Afghans destroying al-Quaeda in Afghanistan and the Syrians destroying ISIS in Syria.

      MintPressNews can’t have it both ways. Either we’re conducting drone attacks in Yemen and Pakistan on Al-Quaeda, bombing in Syria and Iraq and dropping MOABs on ISIS in Afghanistan, or we’re not.

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        Wherry’s job is to provide the comedy. Laugh, so his feelings won’t get hurt.

      • dale ruff

        A fine job. ISIS, for the first time is in Afghanistan, and the Taliban control most of the country. Since US military action to stop terrorism, al Quada has spread from one country to 33. A fine job! In Yemen, the US and the US supported and armed Saudis are bombing the Houtis, who are the number ! enemy of al Quada. We are also working with Turkey, who is bombing the number 1 enemies of ISIS in Syria and Iraq, the Kurds.

        If we were doing a fine job, why has al Quada and its affiliates spread from one to 33 nations? Is is possible as a leaked CIA document confirms, that the US is backing a jihadist caliphate in Syria to take down Assad? Is it possible the US has create not only the War on Terror but most of the terrorists thru funding, arms smuggling from Libya (the Benghazi story), and providing a hundred billion in arms to the main funders of terrorism in the US and of the 9/11 attack, the fascist monarchy of Saudi Arabia.

        Is it possible you have swallowed State Department propaganda hook, line, and sinker?

        Thanks for the laughs!

        • James Wherry

          I have evidence that shows you are wrong: ISIS is now in Afghanistan. The Jihadists are dying in al-Quaeda and this proves it.

          As to al-Quaeda being in “control of most of Afghanistan,” I have seen no proof of that assertion, but we turned security over to the Afghan Army – as those of you on the Left wanted.

          So, does this mean YOU failed?

          • dale ruff

            sOh Wherry, I said that since the GWOT started, al Quada has spread to 33 nations ISIS is now in Afghanistan with about 600-800 troops, not a factor. ISIS controls large areas in Iraq and Syria and is a presence in 31 other nations

            I did not say al Quada controls Afghanistan; I said the Taliban (who offered 3 times to turn over bin Laden to a neutral nation for trial) controls large areas The Taliban and al Quada are radically different and not friendly to each other The Taliban restricts its activities to the domestic front while al Quada is leading a worldwide jihadist movement in 33 countries.

            See this article for information on the areas controlled by the Taliban:
            http://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-map-afghanistan-2017-3

            “According to the Taliban, it fully controls 34 districts, including the district centers, and contests another 167 districts (these are districts where the Taliban claims it controls between 40 to 99 percent of the territory). The Taliban has a significant presence (10 to 39 percent) in another 52 districts, and a minimal presence in six more districts (1 to 9 percent). The Taliban said it has no presence in 89 districts, however, in some of those provinces it says it is conducting “guerrilla activities.”

            Additionally, the Taliban claims it controls areas in 16 of Afghanistan’s 34 provinces.”

            businessinsider comments: “The Taliban report may be dismissed as propaganda by Resolute Support, however its claims of district control largely match with press reporting from Afghanistan. Additionally, in early Feb., the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR) issued a report stating that the Taliban controls, contests, or influences 171 districts. (of 349)……
            The (Taliban) was actually a rather conservative estimate, painting a dire but realistic picture of the security situation in Afghanistan.”

            My point: judging by the results, the goal of the War on Terror is to spread terrorism far and wide.
            It was Obama (not the left) who ran on escalating the war in Afghanistan and he did so sending in more troops and intensifyng the drone war. See WORLD
            Obama Far Outdoes Bush in Escalating War — The Numbers Will Surprise You
            Increasing numbers of deployed soldiers, mercenaries and drones all add up to Obama being more of a war president than Bush, in terms of hard numbersThe Bush surge in Iraq deployed an extra 28,000 US troops. Under Obama, back in March, a surge in Afghanistan, that also further escalated operations inside Pakistan, deployed an extra 21,000 troops. However, in an unannounced and underreported move, Obama added 13,000 more troops to that surge to bring the total to 34,000 troops. Obama actually outdid Bush’s surge by 6000 troops and brought the overall number of US troops in Afghanistan to 68,000, double the number there when Bush left office…….
            Obama has now escalated deployments in the Af-Pak region to 98,000 US troops. So in Af-Pak and Iraq, he will now have a total of 222,000 US troops deployed, 36,000 more than Bush ever had – 186,000 was Bush’s highest total..” alternet

            Hurumph! It was Bush who, when the US troops at Bora Bora had bin Laden in sight ordered them to stand down and let the incompetent Afghani troops (all the good fighters were with the Taliban or bin Laden) let him get away and then Trump dismantled the bin Laden unit and said he didn’t really think about bin Laden.

            Here’ more to make your blood lust rise: “he Pentagon released a report showing that Obama already had a total of 242,657 private contractors in action, as of June 30th. 119,706 of them in Iraq, 73,968 in Afghanistan, with 50,061 active in “other US CENTCOM locations.”

            Back in June, Jeremy Scahill reported on these findings: “According to new statistics released by the Pentagon, with Barack Obama as commander in chief, there has been a 23% increase in the number of “Private Security Contractors’ working for the Department of Defense in Iraq in the second quarter of 2009 and a 29% increase in Afghanistan….”

            “On 17 February 2009, Barack Obama ordered 17,000 extra US troops be sent to Afghanistan to bolster security in the country and thereby boosted the 36,000 US troops already there by 50%.On 18 June 2013, the handover of security from NATO to Afghan forces was completed.[83][84][85][86] The International Security Assistance Force formally handed over control of the last 95 districts to Afghan forces at a ceremony attended by Karzai and NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen at a military academy outside Kabul…During a press conference on 6 July 2016 U.S. President Obama said he would draw down troops to 8,400 by the end of his administration in December 2016…”
            wikipedia

            This number does not include private security nor NATO troops (US controls NATO) Foreignpolicy;com reports: Private Contractors are the silent majority of Obama’s merceniaries….(June 2016)

            theatlantic reported: “Today, 75 percent of U.S. forces in Afghanistan are contracted. … Many of the larger private military companies also hire local “subs” … the Department of Defense had hired warlords for security services.”

            So the actual number is far more than double 8,400 not counting Nato troops. In November of 2016, “(Afghanistan was) NATO’s longest and most challenging mission to date: at its height, the force was more than 130,000 strong with troops from 51 NATO and partner nations…..”

            And today? As of May 1, “In view of the “challenging” security situation, NATO could increase the number of personnel in Afghanistan from the current 13,000, he told the newspaper but did not give a specific figure.
            This however comes after Gen. John Nicholson, the commander of the U.S-led NATO forces in Afghanistan, told Congress he had a “shortfall of a few thousand” troops.””

            Ouir longest war is a criminal war, as the Taliban, with whom the US had been negotiating, offered 3 times to turn over bin Laden for trial, but Bush, unpopular and mired in a recession needed a wag he dog war and so he ignored he Taliban offers.

            That means the invasion was unnecessary (and the
            FBI says they have no real evidence bin Laden was responsible for 9/11) and therefore a war crime that continues The UN states that invading a country is the mother of all war crimes and that everything that follows therefor is also war crime.

            Bush…war criminal; Obama, war criminal, Trump, war criminal. Sad.

            • James Wherry

              If you took the time to write that for me, I thank you.

              But your entire argument is alternative history: you assume that al-Quaeda would not have spread to other countries if we had simply cowered under our beds after 9/11. Like all alternate history, it’s impossible to prove, but the general philosophy of the Jihadists was and is to create a worldwide caliphate.

              Then, too, what else should we have done after 9/11? “Wait for more?”

              Germany and Japan also spread after we entered WWII. That’s not much of an argument for leaving the battlefield.

              • dale ruff

                My argument is simiple: you said the US is “doing fine” in fighting terrorism, and I pointed out that al Quada spread from one nation to 33 when the US invaded Afghanistan (and let bin Laden esape)..If the US were ot supporting al Quada, as revealed by leaked CIa documents admitting supporting a caliphate in Syria, training in CW in Jordon, arming “moderate rebels” who then join with al Quada,…if it were serious about destroying al Quada, which was in ONE backward country, it could have done so.

                It has done fine in spreading al Quada because the overall goal is to destabilize the MIddle East, divide and conquer, and al Quada and affiliated groups are the means.

                Here it is: “Newly-Declassified U.S. Government Documents: The West Supported the Creation of ISIS
                Posted on May 24, 2015 by WashingtonsBlog
                Judicial Watch has – for many years – obtained sensitive U.S. government documents through freedom of information requests and lawsuits.

                The government just produced documents to Judicial Watch in response to a freedom of information suit which show that the West has long supported ISIS. The documents were written by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency on August 12, 2012 … years before ISIS burst onto the world stage.

                Here are screenshots from the documents. We have highlighted the relevant parts in yellow:

                ISIS1Why is this important? It shows that extreme Muslim terrorists – salafists, Muslims Brotherhood, and AQI (i.e. Al Qaeda in Iraq) – have always been the “major forces driving the insurgency in Syria.”

                This verifies what the alternative media has been saying for years: there aren’t any moderate rebels in Syria (and see this, this and this).

                The newly-declassified document continues:

                I

                … there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime …”

                You can find screenshots of the document at .http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html

                Judicial watch is a conservative watchdog.

                How fine a job is that?

                • James Wherry

                  Dale,

                  THANK YOU! That’s a good, direct response and I will take a look at the documents.

                  I do reserve the right to question the level of support or the dates of the support for the group, or whether it was direct support or the unanticipated consequences of our otherwise foolish actions. I’m a conservative Republican and never voted for Obama, but even I would find it impossible to believe that he actually directly and knowingly supported ISIS. THAT sounds like something that Fox News would try and peddle, and I wouldn’t believe it of them, either.

                  I can accept the notion that we were supporting rebels who later went in with ISIS, or hoped to find someone better than ISIS. We’ve already admitted supporting some of the Syrian rebels and so no one can deny that. I’m quite happy to condemn my government for that, as well, as we do not have any lawful authority to over-throw any government that is not a direct threat to the United States. The Taliban? Sure. North Korea? Absolutely!

                  But Syria was ZERO threat to the USA. Let the House of Sa’ud and Turkey chase their tails. They never did me any favors, anyway.

                  – Jim Wherry

                  • dale ruff

                    The CIA has its own foreign policy and has a history of saboaging, defying, and at times assassinating Presidents. WhenJFK fired Dulles and said he would break up the CIA, he was murdered. The FOAI document that Judicial Watch acquired was written by the CIA.

                    The Taliban are no threat as they only work at the domestic level with no international aspirations. That is what distinguishes them from al Quada, and why they offered to turn over bin Laden.

                    North Korea has only a nuclear deterrent. They lost 30% of their population due to US bombing in the Korean “conflict” so their memory of war is very fresh. They know if they used one of their handful of nukes, they would be incinerated. But as long as they have nukes, they will not be attacked, tho Trump threatened to nuke them.

                    If he did, they would retalitate by nuking the capital of South Korea and a few nuclear power plants. The world would be aghast if Trump set off WWIII in this manner, but I think (and pray) he is bluiffing, always the negotiator (I will kill you if you don’t get rid of your nukes; and if you do, I will attack you as the US attacked and destroyed Libya after they gave up their WMD).

                    North Korea has invaded no one and has only a defensive capacity They cannot attack without being totally destroyed. The Taliban has never intervened in the affairs of other countries; it is against their beliefs and their history proves it.

                    The real threat to America is the rise of fascism in nations like Ukraine, France, and of course the US. Since 9/11, Americans have murdered nearly 300,000 of each other, over half being family and friend, according to FBI data. Our real enemy is the epidemic of gun murders, 85-99.9% higher than all other advanced nations.

                    • James Wherry

                      The Korean people lost 30% of their population because a warlord from the North chose to attack the South. While I can agree with your facts, I cannot and do not agree with where you assess blame. North Koran periodically fires on the South and murders people. No harm/no foul? Or is this what the Hitchhikers’ Guide to the Galaxy referred to in the passage “And no one died – at least no one worth talking about?”

                      I have less use for the Ukraine, after they voted to remove Russian as an official language. Much of the corruption, however, I assess to the former President and Putin’s ally who was removed. Georgia had the same problems.

                      But let’s not make Putin a “Hero of the People.” His oligarchy is just as corrupt and he is just as much an authoritarian.

                      • dale ruff

                        The North Koreans were bombed to death The US refused to allow unification so North Korea acted.

                        markedbyteachers.com explains; “Why did North Korea invade South Korea in June 1950, and why did USA act so decisively to defend the South? Before 1945 Korea was controlled by Japan. After the Second World War, USA and the Soviet Union split Korea into two. This cause a divide in the country and another divide in the ideals. USA was preaching capitalism and democracy. The Soviet Union, on the other hand, was looking to spread communism. North Korea invaded South Korea to try to form a stable, united Korea as it was before the end of the Second World War. ”

                        It was not necessary to kill 1 of 3 North Koreans (almost all civilians, including hundreds of thousands of children). A peaceful settlement allowing unification could have avoided war but the US pursues a policy, then as now, of divide and conquer, which always leads to war.

                        As for North Korea attacking South Korea today and murdering people, here is the one incident, a response to South Korean mllitary provocations and aimed at a military installation: “The bombardment of Yeonpyeong was an artillery engagement between the North Korean military and South Korean forces stationed on Yeonpyeong Island on 23 November 2010.[5] Following a South Korean artillery exercise in waters in the south, North Korean forces fired around 170 artillery shells and rockets at Yeonpyeong Island, hitting both military and civilian targets.[6][7][8]
                        The shelling caused widespread damage on the island, killing four South Koreans and injuring 19. South Korea retaliated by shelling North Korean gun positions. The North Koreans subsequently stated that they had responded to South Korean shells being fired into North Korean territorial waters.”

                        I hardly think that is cause to nuke North Korea.

                        Putin is a hero to those who count, his own people, but I personally find him rational and calm, tho I think he intervened in our election, along with Wikileaks to defeat Clinton….and now, with relations with the US at their “lowest level,” he must be having buyer’s remorse.

                        The former President of Ukraine was no more corrupt than what came before and less so that the billionaries now in charge. In 2006, the Bush State Dept described Poroshenko as “a corrupt oligarch.”

                        However, the former President was elected in what outside monitors called a free and fair election, and so the US was totally corrupt in funding and supporting the fascist coup and appointing the Prime Minister (see the leaked audio of Nuland and Pyatt).

                        We now have a much more corrupt leader in the White House, a man who just go ordered to pay 32,000 for paint that he bought and refused to pay for, not to mention being hundreds of other fraud cases, such as Trump University and making big money off of bankruptcies with other people’s money. Trump in fact took power thru a coup, with intervention from the FBI on Oct 28, leaks from Wikileaks and Russian intervention, and the institutional coup of the Electoral College overturning the public vote, which Trump lost by 2.8 million.

                        I support regime change….in the US.

                      • James Wherry

                        The “unification” you talk about is under a brutal dictatorship that no one – including the people of modern North Korea – wanted. No thanks. Pass for cause.

                        And no, that was NO excuse for North Korea to commit mass murder and kill 30% of the country’s population. The only fault I can give for the United States is to not agree with China on the 38th parallel, sooner – especially since that’s what we ended up with.

                      • dale ruff

                        The South was in reality a military dictatorship. “The First Republic, arguably democratic at its inception, became increasingly autocratic until its collapse in 1960. The Second Republic was strongly democratic, but was overthrown in less than a year and replaced by an autocratic military regime. The Third, Fourth, and Fifth Republics were nominally democratic, but are widely regarded as the continuation of military rule.”

                        Today, North Korea is a communist dictatorship and South Korea is corporate fascism and a vassal of the US. Threatening to nuke North Korea for having defensive deterrents is madness, far beyond the propaganda caricatures of North Korean leaders by the Western corporate media.

                      • James Wherry

                        The South remained a military dictatorship for some time. It is a democracy, today, which just ousted a President for corruption with those corporations that you mentioned.

                        I like their odds better than the odds of those trying to survive in Kim Jung-Un’s concentration camps. There is apparently no “vasselship,” or South Korea would now be paying for its own missile defense system. No, I have no reason to believe that we call the shots, there.

                        You DO seem to caricature the United States and our motives for the things we do, Dale.

                      • James Wherry

                        This is why we fight.

                        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6210d826b3252bf23bb76a4a1a4f3cd1cb5c273b7064bac0fcc7058c5f32ec96.jpg

                        “Voices of the d@mned: These horrifying stories from concentration camp victims reveal, with chilling clarity, why this week North Korea was likened to Naz! Germany”

                        * There are around 30 concentration camps in the Korean totalitarian regime
                        * Three generations of a family can be imprisoned for one member’s crime
                        * The camps have been a staple since it was ruled by the Kim family in 1948
                        * One man imprisoned for using government newspaper to mop up a spill
                        * Innmates are subjected to cruel torture and barbaric treatment
                        By Guy Walters, 21 February 2014

                        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565240/Voices-damned-These-horrifying-stories-concentration-camp-victims-reveal-chilling-clarity-week-North-Korea-likened-Nazi-Germany.html#ixzz4fw8A1vtK

                      • dale ruff

                        You are repeating war propaganda. We fight to preserve corporate fascism and US hegemony.

                        As for prisons, the US has more prisoners than anyone else” “In October 2013, the incarceration rate of the United States of America was the highest in the world, at 716 per 100,000 of the national population. While the United States represents about 4.4 percent of the world’s population, it houses around 22 percent of the world’s prisoners.” Wikiopedia

                        So the nation with the most prisoners (1 in 4 of the whole world) is fighting Norh Korea because they have too many prisoners?

                        Most of what we read in the corporate media is war propaganda. See my opednews article on Starvation Propaganda is War Propaganda. Just go to opednews dale ruff for a list of my articles.

                        If North Korea did not have a handful of nukes, it would have been attacked and destroyed years ago; since it does have them, it is demonized as a threat to world peace. It’s just bullshit, James. Don’t believe all the lies…..just some of them!

                      • James Wherry

                        Dale, I’m more than satisfied with the conclusions about the brutality of the North Korean regime. This is pretty settled and independent groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch agree on it.

                      • dale ruff

                        Amnesty is funded by the US State Department and other neocon governments:
                        ” Amnesty says that it does not accept donations from governments or governmental organisations. According to the AI website, “these personal and unaffiliated donations allow AI to maintain full independence from any and all governments, political ideologies, economic interests or religions. We neither seek nor accept any funds for human rights research from governments or political parties and we accept support only from businesses that have been carefully vetted. By way of ethical fundraising leading to donations from individuals, we are able to stand firm and unwavering in our defence of universal and indivisible human rights.”[76]
                        However, AI did receive grants from the UK Department for International Development,[77] the European Commission,[78] the United States State Department[79][80] and other governments.” Hypocrisy and bias. North Korean brutality is real; so are US war crimes.

                        That is pretty well settled, as well.

                      • James Wherry

                        For-get it, Dale.

                        Sorry, I was with the invasion of Iraq in 2003. AI was and is firmly committed to the “Name and Shame Game” against the United States of America and serves as a megaphone for disgruntled people intent on making unconfirmed allegations against the USA.

                        Not even a subject for debate.

                      • James Wherry

                        Why mention the U.S. prison population for rape, murder and theft and compare that to the extermination camps in North Korea for simply writing a letter to the government asking for help?

                        The reports we have from North Korea are eyewitness reports, photos and statements from defectors who once helped with the cruelty of that regime. You’re welcome to go over to North Korea and live and work there.

                        For my part, I expect to go to South Korea for a mission or two, on an annual basis, over the next few years, and support their freedoms. I admit I’d be just as happy to get all U.S. service members out of South Korea and draft the South Korean university students instead.

            • James Wherry

              Dale, most of this “spread” of al-Quaeda has simply been branding and franchising Jihadists already present in those nations. This simply shows the level of endorsement of violence in Islam throughout the world. Blame Islam and its current Imams.

              But didn’t you folks in the “peace movement ” promise us that if we withdrew from Iraq and got combat troops out of Afghanistan, everything would be fine because those troops “created” the violence?

              So, why did you Fail?

          • dale ruff

            Dale: “. ISIS, for the first time is in Afghanistan,”
            James: “I have evidence that shows you are wrong: ISIS is now in Afghanistan.”

            Huh?

            Foxnews: (jihadists dying…): “The number of fighters in the Islamic State’s army largely “remains the same” as it did a year ago, a U.S. official briefed on the latest intelligence estimate tells Fox News.

            Officially, ISIS is estimated to have between 20,000 and 25,000 fighters based on the new intelligence estimate, as first reported by USA Today. A year ago, ISIS was estimated to have between 19,000 and 31,000 fighters.

            The new estimate means that despite more than 10,000 U.S.-led coalition airstrikes against ISIS starting in August 2014, ISIS largely has maintained the size of its force ”

            So far, for every killed member of a jihadist group, 2 have joined. That is no dying, that is growing, now in 33 naitons and controlling large parts of several while terrorizing Europe.

            Do you think spreading al Quada from one to 33 nations is a fine job? Only if the job is to spread terrorism.

            • James Wherry

              Then, perhaps Russia and Iran should stop funding and arming al-Quaeda to defeat ISIS? That hasn’t worked, apparently.

              Also, shouldn’t American “peace activists” stop marching in the streets, or demanding acceptance of Muslims? Again, that’s failed, too.

              • dale ruff

                The US and Saudi Araba have funded and armed al Quada, ot Russia.

                • James Wherry

                  Sa’udi Arabia did. The USA has not and has been bombing al-Quaeda since Bill Clinton.

                  Russia and Iran are currently funding and supporting al-Quaeda to kill Americans in Afghanistan and to counter ISIS.

                  Anticipate “blowback.”

                  • dale ruff

                    US is bombing offshoots of al quada such as al nustra and ISIS, as well as al Quada directly. Jan/2017: “he U.S. Air Force conducted a second “major strike” in consecutive days killing over 100 Al Qaeda fighters at a training camp in northern Syria, a defense official with knowledge of the strike told a handful of reporters at the Pentagon on Friday”

                    “US military: 250 al Qaeda operatives killed or captured in Afghanistan this year”s Dec/2016

                    Leaked CIA document states US supports jihadist caliphate in Syria.

                    Russia and Iran are major enemies of al Quada and have bombing them in Syria, taking out the oil convoys that the US claimed to avoid bombing because of “potential damage to the environment.” The US is ok with bombing cities (Attack a month ago killed 200 civilians in Mosul) but did not bomb convoyis (source of jihadist support) until Russia had begun.

                    You are working with false information, my friend. Iran is a bitter enemy of al Quada, as is Russia, while the US, and its allies like Turkey and Saudi Arabia, have supported them.

                    Al Quada claimed responsibility for the recent bombing in St Petersburg, and veteranstoday reports: ” Russian Bunker Buster Takes Out al Qaeda/White Helmets Hideout”

                    I am curious what your sources are for the disinformation you are repeating.