Pope Urges Catholic Church To Disavow Conservatism And Fundamentalism

Pope Francis spoke to Italian bishops about need for institution to be protected from ‘every pretence of power, image and money’ amid financial allegations.
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    Pope Francis addresses a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress on September 24.

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    Pope Francis called on the Catholic church on Tuesday to stop clinging to conservatism and fundamentalism as a defensive response to the problems it is facing, and said the church ought to be “bruised, hurting and dirty” instead of obsessed with money and power.

    The sweeping remarks before an audience of Italian bishops at a conference in Florence were a stark reminder of the way in which Pope Francis is trying to shake up a church that in many ways is losing relevance around the world, and continues to be battered by allegations of financial mismanagement and greed at the heart of the Vatican.

    “Before the problems of the church it is not useful to search for solutions in conservatism or fundamentalism, in the restoration of obsolete conduct and forms that no longer have the capacity of being significant culturally,” the pope said.

    “Christian doctrine is not a closed system incapable of generating questions, doubts, interrogatives. But it is alive, knows being unsettled … it does not have a rigid face, it has a body that moves and grows, it has a soft flesh: it is called Jesus Christ.”

    The comments come at a critical juncture for Francis. Last month, a high-level group of bishops from around the world met at the Vatican and engaged in a vigorous debate over how the church ought to respond to changes in the modern family, including the prevalence of divorce.

    While Francis has cast himself as a reformer who is seeking to portray the church as a less rigid and less dogmatic institution, which stands with people who live on the margins of society, there are factions in the church that are vigorously resisting his plea for the church to be more flexible and open.

    On Tuesday, he asked for the Italian church to be protected “from every pretence of power, image and money” and said Christians ought not to be obsessed with power even when it was power that was “useful to the social image of the church”.

    “I would like an Italian church that is unsettled, always closer to the abandoned, the forgotten, the imperfect,” said Francis. “I desire a happy church with face of a mother who understands, accompanies, caresses.”

    Austen Ivereigh, the papal biographer who wrote The Great Reformer, said Francis was clearly aiming some of his message directly at the Italian church, which receives a subsidy from the state and could be seen by Francis as being too conformist and pro-establishment.

    “The Italian church is very large and wealthy in terms of property. This was a call for the Italian church to be more missionary, less dependent on status and wealth, and more radical and pro-poor,” Ivereigh said.

    Before his speech to bishops, Francis visited the city of Prato, where seven Chinese nationals were killed in 2013 following an industrial fire in a factory where they lived and worked. Francis criticised the “inhuman” conditions they lived in.

    “The life of every community requires that we fight the cancer of corruption, the cancer of human and labor exploitation and the poison of illegality,” he said.

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      • Sally

        I dare the Pope to reject his armed security, paid for by (gulp!) Capitalists – and throw in his lot with, say, the Castro brothers.

        • It’s not Marxism, rather liberation theology, a preferential option for the poor. The Church has a 2000 year history, and while, “no one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had,” may sound “communisty” to you, it’s from Acts 4:32. Please reference http://liberationtheology.org/people-organizations/gustavo-gutierrez/

          • Sally

            Sorry, I thought you could make the connection. Liberation theology is entirely based on Marxist ideology, eg, class warfare. Please reference the Communist Manifesto and the writings of Marxist. professors.

            For the opposing view, please reference the US Constitution.

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      • Matt Blalock

        The POS little boy buggering Cattylick church can go suck my balls!

      • arkycubbies

        Republicans scream to take care of you and those other people need to take care of themselves. They scream that minimum wage and social (free) programs is Socialism. That is called Individualism and is directly violating the teachings of Jesus to help others. Luke 10: 30-37 and Luke 18:18-25 are but only two of many Scriptures I use to support my claim.

        Republicans scream that giving to the poor is evil that causes the poor to not want to work. That is called Collectivism and is directly violating the teachings of Jesus to help the poor. Matthew 19:21; Matthew 6:1-4; and Matthew 12:33 are just a few Scriptures to support my claim.

        Republicans scream to make all you can, to use Capitalism to make even more wealth. This is called Objectivism and is directly violating the teachings of Jesus that money is root of ALL evil. Acts 7:11 and Luke 12:13-21 are only two Scriptures supporting my claim.

        Ok, so Individualism, Collectivism, and Objectivism are all sins in the eyes of Jesus. Jesus is the only way to eternal life! That means if you oppose the free social give-away programs; oppose minimum wage; oppose food stamps to the poor; obtaining the most wealth to your ability; and support Capitalism you are sinners in the eyes of Jesus. Jesus is whom will judge you, to deemed you worthy or unworthy to eternal life according to His teachings.

        Wait, I know what you Republican Christians are going to say! The only way to eternal life is to ask for forgiveness from Jesus of your sins. WRONG! John 14:6-7 is clearly stated by Jesus as that the only way is through Him that He is the way, the truth, and the life. Verse seven said you MUST have known Him! That means if you had not lived by the teachings of Jesus you did not know Him.

        Nowhere in the Bible does it say that you must ASK Jesus to forgive you of your sins in order to enter Heaven. If you believe that, defend your opinion with the Scripture. In fact, the Bible warns that faith is dead without WORKS! James 2:17.

        So what is Republican Christians thinking? You can’t be of Jesus claiming you are Republican! My proof to this claim is Biblical as well: Jesus quoted that if you want to do for Him, you serve the least of these (Matthew 25: 39-41) or you are doomed to damnation. But Jesus did not stop there! Jesus taught to serve even the people Republican Christians deem unworthy lazy bums mooching off the system or be gone from Him (John 13:1-17). DO YOU UNDERSTAND BE GONE?

        Be gone if you do not serve others has absolutely nothing to do with asking Jesus for forgiveness of sins! Be Gone is get away from me! Be Gone is you are not going to eternal life! SERVE or be gone! JesusIsDemocrat.blogspot.com

      • Scottar

        I’m an ex-Lutheran, now a Deist. I never understood how people could take the Pope, who ever the incarnation could be, as the spokesperson for the God. The Catholic Church has always seemed like a religious-political organization, kind of like a mini-state. But now it looks like many religions have the same sort of organization.

        I don’t put down churches just the organization they are a part of and their blind allegiance to them. I don’t think they know who Jesus really was or that the Bible presents the true story of Jesus. I personally don’t take him as the son of God. He’s more of like the Western Buddha.

        • cheech chong

          The Kingdom of God denotes hierarchy…The basic human family denotes hierarchy…the choirs of angels denotes hierarchy…all of creation denotes hierarchy. How come He can’t/ won’t or shouldn’t use hierarchy for His Son’s Church? Is the slave greater than the master? In Scripture we have Jesus addressing Simon Peter by name…did you read it. He gave him (Simon Peter) specifically the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. No one else. Jesus says who is boss and no one has the authority to change it. Like it or not.

          • Scottar

            Have little idea what your talking about. Are you suggesting that the Catholic Church is the hierarchy of Jesus? If so I would say your dead wrong. The Catholic Church is an institution of man, not God. The Bible is a book for personal interpretation.

            I don’t see Jesus as the “key to heaven”, only one of many pathways. If you take the Bible literally then your lost. It’s full of parables, metaphors and symbology. But the Bible is just one of several spiritual guides. People don’t operate in the same mode, people don’t all have the same perceptions. So different guides for different perceptions.

            • cheech chong

              I guess it boils down to faith Scottar. Do you believe God is your Creator, do you trust in Gods Word, do you believe mankind needs a Redeemer for your personal salvation? If your answer is yes to these basic questions then one will know that God has set out a concrete path for Redemption. It isn’t the tyranny of relativism. It is as real as the nose on your face. If God loves you… which He certainly does…then you should know, you must know he has a concrete plan for your salvation. God has directly interjected His very self into human history through the Sacrificial Love of Jesus Christ.

              • Scottar

                It means I don’t believe in the kind of God you believe in. I don’t take the bible literally, I have an open mind about religion that include Buddhism, Jewish, Baha’i and even Shamanism. I have respect for Christianity but I consider it stupid in some ways, it can be eradicated through Trojan horse Islamism which is what is happening now. I told you I consider Jesus as the Western Buddha, I guess you just glossed over that; typical of fundamentalists, they think with their heads up their arses.

                One Religion I think is fake is Islamism, it is just a survivalists, conquer religion. Call it the mogul religion. So go in peace Catholic, and stop being so single minded, that leads to conflict and strife.

        • LFM

          If the Catholic Church had not been a mini-state, Christianity – in any form at all, Catholic, Protestant or Orthdox – would have long since ceased to exist. It would have been entirely co-opted by other nation-states as these grew more powerful in the late Middle Ages, and then, if it proved convenient to do so, crushed out of existence altogether. In fact, it very nearly was so co-opted and crushed (as it has been in most of the nation-states that adopted Catholic or Protestant faiths as a state religion), but because Rome retained a vestige of independence, this did not happen. Or not quite.

          • Scottar

            I think the Christian church would have done better without the Catholic church, so I’m not buying into it needed to be a mini-state to survive deal and the issue of corruption goes far beyond that with the Catholic church. But then I’m a Deist. And look up the Jesuit order to see what the current Pope is all about.

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      • barbarakelly

        This pope better start staying in his little room in the vatican and don’t go outside. With that kind of statement someone just might take a potshot at him.!!!!

        • cheech chong

          If you kill the Pope…another will take his place. Pope Francis I dare say…if you where to take tea with him… you would find him to be a very humble and merciful man. The Catholic Church is first made up of sinful , frail men. We will always have the chaff with the wheat. Secondly she is the Body of Christ and as such…she will bound up the wounds of the suffering sinner. Thirdly… Christ will make up for what she is lacking.

      • cheech chong

        If you guys would put your pistols back in you holsters and try and glean what the jest of his message is…you would be pleasantly refreshed and edified in the Spirit. He is saying Christianity is dying because we suffocate the movements of the Holy Spirit. We ought not be afraid of a messy situation…Trust God He will work it out. So many of us try and put God in a box…so many of us are control freaks…he is saying…its ok…God has it under control. So many of us are wedded to our own self sufficiency…he is saying…let it go…be free of your own self inflicted imprisonment. Trust God and only God…not in our own pitiful selves.

        • ClareClare

          Well put, thanks for a great post. It’s amazing how many fire-breathers will routinely condemn comments allegedly made, without bothering first to read the actual text…

      • propel7

        Former lead counsel whistleblower of the World Bank, Karen Hudes, Discovered that the Bank of England collects ALL of the IRS money that the American People pay. They take a 40% cut, then forward the remaining 60% to the Jesuits at the Vatican. This Pope is a LIAR. A wolf in sheep’s clothes. “They appear holy outwardly, as whited sepulchres, but inside are full of corruption and dead mens bones.” was spoken for these bastards.

      • What we have here is hypocrisy which Scriptures define of one of the greatest sins. (Mr. Pope clean up your own house and follow Christ not progressive non-Christian agendas). In my humble opinion.

      • Alleged Comment

        Why don’t he disavow his socialist and communist ways too, then?? Then he wouldn’t have this problem!

      • forgivenman

        Two horns like a lamb and speaks like a dragon… He identifies some real problems in the Catholic institution and then promotes a liberal biblical ideology as a solution pretending that the man made ritualistic doctrine they were rigidly following was somehow tied to the word “conservative” and those who actually take the Word of GOD seriously.

      • Stephen

        To all Christians and especially my Catholic brothers and sisters: This imposter pope is the False Prophet of the Apocalypse, the second Beast of Rev.13. DO NOT listen to, or obey any of the deceitful heresy that spews forth from his mouth. For more Truth go to the prophecies of Maria Divine Mercy which can be found easily.
        A concerned watchman for Jesus Christ.

      • Sorry, Im not PC.

        And they wonder why people are turning their backs to Catholicism and This Nutcase Pope.
        He needs to just move along and they need to appoint another Pope. They do.

      • Elapoides

        With all due respect, and careful thought as a genuine traditional Roman Catholic, I say to you Pope Francis, go FLICK YOURSELF!
        The CHURCH is of GOD! The Vatican is of man, and in this case, evil and corrupt men!

      • arizona

        My piss is holier than this imposter.

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      • profling

        You’re loony. Get an education.

      • profling

        He is just attacking bourgeois, complacent Catholicism. Good. Read Berdyaev.

      • gilbert

        All popes are antichrists, but me thinks the next will be the Antichrist. Francis 1 is just paving the way for the new cesar of the new Roman Empire.I got an article about Francis1 entitled “Antichrist #5” you can find it at radicallyprotestant.webs.com

        • profling

          Get a life.

      • frank b

        oh dear dozie, the church didn’t decide what jesus, the radical messiah, said until years after his death..rejoice that here is a man who is aware of the social and environmental disasters which await us if we don’t pick up where the very great pope johnXXIII left off remember “apertura”? open the windows dozie, let some fresh air in.
        my patron saint did so in his day

      • Dozie

        I do not know how closely you think this pope is following Jesus.
        First of all, we come to know Jesus’ teachings through and in the
        Church. If the Church has been teaching and believing one thing for
        centuries and then comes a radical who is proposing another thing; we
        must say that the radical is not with Jesus.

        Jesus entered the Temple in Jerusalem and drove away those making a mess of the house of
        God – the money changers and animal traders. On the other hand, we see
        and hear the so called vicar of Christ urging young people to make a
        mess in the Church :http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/13/us-pope-latam-paraguay-idUSKCN0PM0QC20150713#Ee06rGqRbCwTXKDh.97

        It is foolishness for a pope to urge Catholics to mess up the Church. Thankfully, Bishop Tobin responded to him here: http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/catholic-bishop-pope-francis-fond-creating-mess-mission-accomplished
        Archbishop Charles Chaput also countered the “make a mess” command by indicating that messiness is of the devil.

        Jesus confronts the woman caught in adultery and while not condemning her, publicly urged her to go and sin no more. On the other hand, Francis invites a homosexual couple, publicly kisses them and we do not hear anything about him rebuking the gay couple to go and sin no more.

        Thankfully, young people will not mess up the Church; the pope is doing a fine job at messing up the Church.

      • Dozie

        This pope has not shown that he reads or understands the Bible. He is
        however an activist. I will follow Benedict any day over Francis.
        About being in line with Jesus; whoever is in line with Church teachings
        is the one who follows closely. First of all, one has to understand the
        bible and Tradition in order to follow more closely. All you have to
        do is compare the writings of Francis with those of popes before him.
        Francis has no time for proper reflections on the Bible and Church
        Tradition.

        Francis does not come across as a man of prayer either.
        He is a radical so much that even some people outside the Church have
        questioned whether he is Catholic: http://www.thedailybeast.com/a….
        Francis is doing his best is bringing confusion where we have
        traditionally expected clarity. The Catholic Mass is doctrine based;
        does Francis believe the Mass accomplishes what the Church says it does?

        The pope has urged young people to make a mess in the Church. He is however
        not waiting for them to do so; he is making the mess himself. Very sad
        to watch.

        • evasdaddy

          This is not exactly a subject for non-catholics to broach. (Before you claim to BE a Catholic, I shall remind you that Pope Francis is the head of The Church, NOT Benedict), So, you would do well to heed the message Our Pope has delivered.

      • jennylynn

        The Catholic Church is a political powerhouse that has more money than most institutions on the planet. He has no room to talk. He speaks with a forked tongue as he speaks badly about fundamentalist who are the ones who stand by God’s word and don’t buy the false gospel being fed by the pope.

        • bemd

          Fundamentalist -whether Muslim or Christian – are identical and their ultimate outcome is hate and destruction.

          • jennylynn

            How can you compare the two? They are nothing alike. A Christian fundamentalist follows the Bible, which teaches to love your enemy. Islam teaches kill the infidel. You really need to learn some things before you mouth off. The problem is sin, not the Bible. The real haters are haters of God and His living Word, that He will judge you by.
            Repent while you still have breath in you!

            • bemd

              The pope is right and you are wrong. Christian and Muslim fundamentalist both preach hate and give a bad name to both of their respective religious traditions. Christian fundamentalists have no resemblance to the person of Jesus.

              • jennylynn

                Well,its obvious you follow a Wolfe in sheeps clothing. Yea, I guess the pope was right when he burned Christians at the stake in the “Dark Afes”for having Bibles. He didn’t want anyone to know how the RCC lies to the Bible illiterate like yourself.

                • bemd

                  Actually, fundamentalist statistically are less educated than real Christians. It is a 19th century heresy that has little to do with the values articulated by the person of Jesus. It’s values are comparable to any other fundamentalist – including Muslims.

            • evasdaddy

              You are wrong. Islam does not teach to kill. Turn off FoxNews.

              • jennylynn

                Well apparently I sent you a whole page of the Koran that says kill the infidel, but apparently yahoo/ discus removed my post. I guess they are afraid of the truth being revealed.

      • Thomas Moore

        The Catholic Church warned Europe in the 1600’s that the Protestant heresy would lead to fundamentalism. Got that one right.

      • Robert Bbb

        The article above is completely edited to fit the views of secular media. Pope Francis also mentioned:

        About the Church reform, Pope Francis mentioned, “….It means instead grafting yourself to and rooting yourself in Christ, leaving yourself to be guided by the Spirit — so that all will be possible with genius and creativity.”

        “Looking at his[Jesus] face, what do we see?” the pontiff asked those in the church of Jesus’ face. “Before all, the face of a God who is emptied, a God who has assumed the condition of servant, humble and obedient until death.”

        “If we do not lower ourselves we will not see his face,” said Francis. “We will not see anything of his fullness if we do not accept that God has emptied God’s self.”

      • boonhoggenbeck1

        This Pope’s use of the words fundamentalism and conservatism are being interpreted in a political context. He is not a politician nor is he speaking as one. He is a priest proclaiming the gospel of the New Testament.

        • tufty

          The Pope’s meaning is quite clear and he is most definitely a politician first.

          • boonhoggenbeck1

            No. He’s a priest. He is not an elected politician. He is an elected pope.

        • Hope Gonzalez

          Why doesn’t he use actual scriptures from the Bible, God’s Word? Modern translations are simple to understand when using it to guide one’s life but this article sounds confusing….
          Simply put…Psalm 83:18 tells us who God is. 2Timothy 3:16 tells us the Bible was inspired of God to be “beneficial for teaching,reproving, and setting things straight.,Romans 5:12 says why humans suffer and 1John 5:19 says who is controlling the world.Psalm 146:4 says what happens when someone dies, Ephesians 4:28 lets us know we need to work. How should we manage our money? Proverbs 22:7, Luke 14:28-30 and John 6:12 give very good advice. Ephesians 5:28,29,33 and Ephesians 6:1-3 tells gives help on family life. And Psalm 37:29 and Isaiah 65:21,22 gives a firm hope for the future…If you bought a car you’d want the manual to keep checking how to keep that car in good running order…The Bible was provided by the Creator of the human family to help us stay in good running order….Sad to say, those who should be teaching what the Bible says are often depending on their own words rather than God’s…….

          • Robert Bbb

            The pope explained the beatitudes earlier in the speech, He said that in those eight blessings mentioned by Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount “the Lord shows us the way.” Pope also quoted scripture and bible passages were read to audiance.
            At each Mass service the bible is read out loud for all to hear.

      • Bill Murphy

        Look at his picture. That’s not the Pope. That’s Yogi Berra. Hahaha

      • charlesrfd3

        Francis is doing a good jog in pointing out that all that some Catholics hold is not in the kernel of faith from the first century but things that were added later. Some have trouble grasping that.

      • Jamesun

        I can care less what the pope says. You don’t need to be spoon fed what to do with your life. Persons are still trappednin this spoon feed student teacher matrix. I have a Bible, I’ll read it, and STICK TO THE CONTENTS. The pope holds absolutely no value in my life or family’s lives. Just because the pope says something isn’t holy. I’ll discredit just like I’ll discredit any other man.

      • David Battle

        You know how to tell if a pope suks? Liberals love him.

      • gilbert

        This pope is a Jesuit and he just obeys the General of the Jesuits. All he says is sheer delusion; the aim is always the same: absolute power through violence or deceit. Now they are using humanism and ecology an ecumenism to deceive the people who forget the bloody history of Vatican…

        • tom

          You’re…well….er…nuts?

        • Lorraine

          There is no bloody history of the Vatican. You have been misinformed.

      • Jimmy Gross

        I like Pope Francis.

      • Dante

        I think the pope will be more popular once marijuana is legalized everywhere…you have to be high for this guy to make sense.

        • Bill Murphy

          Marijuana is medicine. Look up “cannabis cures cancer”. Go ahead. Google it. I doubledog dare you.

      • rich

        A pope’s only purpose is to help lead souls to heaven by promoting sound Catholic teaching ….not worrying about global warming or hurting people’s feelings or telling those who dont believe in Christ that “it’s ok as long as you’re a good person”.

        • inessence

          And a bishop has a moral obligation under the pain of serious sin to teach in the most coherent manner possible. This pope has forgotten that responsibility.

      • Bill Murphy

        I like the new Popes ideas. Nice to see someone with a positive and humane attitude. Also happy to be be an atheist. Most of the comments I have read here are from miserable, sociopathic nutbags.

        • rich

          An atheist likes the new pope: thats basically the first sign that he’s a schiite pope. If he was doing his job you would have no use for him or his ideas.

          • Bill Murphy

            So you think the popes job is to be a pr*ck?

            • rich

              What do define as a *****?

        • voxon123

          I am very content… happy. I’ve been walking with Jesus for 45 years. Have four great kids, even some Grandchildren. By the age of twenty-two I had evaluated this life… this world while leaving God out of it. My feelings… very bored… my view… I would never find enough satisfaction to motivate me to live with enthusiasm. I knew myself. My life was spared the misery because Jesus was there knocking on the door. Without him I would be that miserable person… Some people were not created to live without Jesus. If you think you are… well enjoy! For me it became dull and unchallenging.

          • Bill Murphy

            Good for you. Stay happy.

      • Melvin

        Since the Byzantine Emperor Phocas declared the bishop of Rome supreme among bishops,accumulation and preservation of wealth and power has been the primary objective of the Office of the Papacy, considered by many 16th century reformers in Germany to be the anti-Christ of Revelation. I find it hard to believe things will change.

        • tom

          Medieval bigots still call the Pope the anti-Christ. Scary.

        • Lorraine

          You are very misinformed.

      • nautiloid .

        Good for him. Christians have become mouth-pieces to corporate greed for the past 30 years. Whether in the church – by priests and pastors, or in real life by “Christians” opposing safety nets for the needy, old and sick, the teachings of Jesus have been replaced by politics by some. I always thought the church would rise up to the challenges of climate change on earth,(God’s gift to mankind) but so far, only the Pope has done so.

        GOP does not spell GOD.

      • Robert Lockwood

        Francis is destroying the Catholic Church by espousing the worldly attitude that nothing is fixed. The principles of the Catholic Church are fixed in the teaching of Jesus Christ – all Francis needs to accomplish is to get the clergy to live up to their vows when ordained.

        • TC

          This pope will do more damage to the Church than Paul VI ever did. It’s time faithful bishops and cardinals (what few are left) get the Vatican back on track. The Green Movement is BS and given the fact that the Pseudo-Archbishop of Canterbury, Pope Francis and the Ecumenical Patriarch are all on the PC altar…..I’m about ready to head for ROCOR or the Moscow Patriarchate.

      • me

        More Vatican BS–corruption in the Vatican’s finances has existed FOREVER! PopeyDopey could end it all in 5 minutes, if he really wanted to. Neither he—nor any of his predecessors–really ever wanted to end it.

        • ken

          amen. that’s why luther broke from the church/pope because of the selling of indulgences to those wanting to spring their passed away relatives from purgatory! what a scam!

          • Lorraine

            Do more digging for accurate truth.

      • Bert Cundle

        WATCH – OUT Francis… CARSON is fighting for your JOB!

      • Arnold

        When the Pope talks about Christian Doctrine it makes me laugh. The only people that have a problem with
        Christian Doctrine are those that don’t follow it or think they have changed it. We are saved by grace and faith.
        Grace is given for obiedance to the faith (Romans 1). If you love God you keep His commmandments. (Exodus 20:6) God’s saints are those that keep the commandments and have the faith of Jesus. (Revelation 14:12)
        The Catholic Church takes credit for changing the Sabbath to Sunday. (Daniel 7:25) Most protestant churches
        follow the catholc church, but this is a law of men not of God. (Mark 7:7) Does God change? (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8)

        • bluetexan

          Quoting scripture is preaching to the choir.

        • Lorraine

          The early Church, Peter and the other apostles began following the Sabbath on Sunday because it is the day that Jesus Christ rose from the dead.

      • SeaNote

        The Pope is building up his street creds so he can incite another crusade against the muslims.

        • Lorraine

          The crusades were begun to take back Jerusalem, the holy City, from the muslims. The muslims had also been attacking other European nations in order to conquer them. They have been been attacking since their beginning in the 600’s.

        • inessence

          You have it backwards. This pope intends to merge with the Muslims to create Chrislam. That is why he is constantly belittling the doctrine that he has to teach but doesn’t. He needs a lot of wiggle room to merge with the Muslims. The Muslims have theocracy, and the pope wants it. With one religion that is enforced by the state, we will be ready for the Antichrist.

      • Eliane

        It’s sad to see a pope become a tiresome crank. I wish him a long and happy retirement.

      • rich

        Lets delineate what is to be considered Catholicism. There is ACTUAL Catholicism and then there is the FAKE Catholicism that came into being with the vatican 2 council. Therefore, when you people quote anything said after 1965 (including the bogus cannon code of 1983 or the modernist Catechism of the Catholic Church mandated by Mr Modernist himself, jp 2) you are not quoting, or referencing, anything actually Catholic. Stick to ACTUAL Catholicism, it makes things a lot less confusing. Also, yes….of course, like any Catholic with a shred of intelligence and common sense, I am a sedevacantist (in case you were wondering).

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          rich – Thanks, I now get where you are coming from. As I said before, I will pray for your enlightenment.

          • rich

            Pray for your own enlightmenment Pat. My way of thinking is the same as any other Catholics would have been back in the 1950’s. What I believe in is how it always was….rome changed.

            • Lorraine

              I was there in the 50’s.it has not changed. The same truths that were taught then are still being taught now. Listen to EWTN, read the early Fathers, find Catholic Answers on line to find the answers to the questions that you need.

              • rich

                I dont need EWTN to provide me with anything as they are beyond useless in 2015. If you are going to sit there and tell me that the Catholic Church teaches today as it did in the 50’s then you are either a total fool or a total liar.

        • nautiloid .

          Sooo, real Catholics know that Jesus wants us to worship money? Being old and being right are two different things. I enjoyed you preaching at us tho.

          • rich

            When did I say Jesus wants us to worship money? When it comes to Catholicism I’m pretty sure I know it better than just about anyone who posts on a secular site like this one. Regardless, you shouldnt take my word for it…if you are Catholic just research the things that the Church has always taught.

        • Lorraine

          The Catholic Church is still the Catholic Church whether you believe the pope is an anti-pope or not. Jesus promised he would be with us until the end of time and evil would not ever conquer it. it will always go on because Jesus Christ is not a liar.

          • rich

            The Catholic Church will always be here until the end of time….I totally agree with you because Christ Himself, as you say, promised this. Recognizing a false pope is a totally different subject though.

      • Motherangelicacatholic

        That’s one of the reasons I am Catholic. I want a place where I am “special ” enough to be the Priests family-Until Vatican 2 and the Hooligans a Catholic Church was open 24/7 with masses sometimes 2 times per day.I do NOT, NOT, NOT like this guy. he is bad for the Roman Catholic Church and he is a phony. Pope Francis seems not to “be
        into all that Catholic stuff.” We are the religion of possibilities
        when all else fails. Ones 80 year old father with Congestive Heart
        Failure has a cancerous tumor the size of a grapefruit and very little time
        (predicted by medical doctors) left. Traditionally minded Catholics might
        start a NOVENA process, maybe pray to the Sacred heart, or to the Infant of
        Prague. Maybe they will go down to the Neighborhood Church (at one time
        open 24 hours a day) and light a candle (many which were mothballed during
        Vatican 2-wishing well Catholicism). Don’t you see above all other
        faiths-we are the faith of miracles-when all hope fades. The Luminous Mysteries
        from the Baptism of Jesus, to the Wedding at Cana, to the Transfiguration-all occurring
        with that mystique/sense of miracle that seemingly defies modern,
        progressive Catholic thought that Pope Francis seems to embrace. I am
        sure there are a lot of eye rolls from people who are reading this.-“oh no
        here he is talking about that Catholic mystique mumbo jumbo. Father
        McBrien mocked Eucharistic Adoration. And quite honestly

        Pope Francis doesn’t seem to be of
        that tribe, that smells and the bells tribe-the tribe that Pope John Paul 2 was Liberal Catholicism offers nothing more than what PROTESTANTS and Episcopals are already doing. Moreover, it is very UNINSPIRING and UNSPIRITUAL. Yes, some of those in power do need to come off their high horse-but this has always been a source for inspiration, until now. Though the world is undoubtedly taken in by him-that inspiration does not translate into dollars. May be a poor church for the poor is exactly what it will become.Someone once likened this Pope to Mikhail Gorbachev….in many ways I think this rings true.

      • Sully

        Really? I would invite Il Papa to disavow Communism and liberation theology.

        If he is against corrupt govts he might want to start with the bribobracies of his home country and her Latin sister states, which people are FLEEING on a daily basis to come to the US.

        If he wants to protect Modern day martyrs, he may want to visit the Muslim countries where Christians are jailed and even beheaded for the faith.

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      • MittRomneys

        he was speaking of conservative christians in america,he also called 7th day adventists a cult who should be sent to isis camps in syria

        • lafontaine

          He did not mention 7th day advs

      • Andi

        If you really read the article what Pope Francis is saying is in no way against what the Catholic faith stands for as outlined and explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. First off, he is speaking specifically about the Italian church so he is highlighting specific problems he sees in that country. Secondly, he is not saying that it is wrong to hold conservative ideas or fundamental ideas but they should not be a way to hide from the problems facing the Church specifically the desire of certain people or factions who are using those ideas to focus on wealth and power.
        Why are people surprised that their are people within the Church who are obsessed with power or with money? Why are people surprised that some within the bureaucracy of the Church are using their power or position to try to keep themselves in power? It is basic human nature and not new within the Church. Consider James and John jockeying for position (with help from their mom no less) with Jesus when he would come into his kingdom. Of course, they didn’t know what they were actually asking for as Jesus tells them. Look at the Pharisees, Herod, and a number of other ‘power players’ in Jesus’ time who were willing to do anything, including put an innocent man to death, to hold on to their power and prestige. Or, how about Judas? He thought Jesus was getting a little too dangerous and he didn’t like how Jesus was using their funds (Judas was taking care of their funds) so he set it up to turn him over to the Roman soldiers probably never expecting him to be killed only taken down a few notches. These were the very people who lived, worked, and actually saw Jesus…now 2000 years later we are surprised when people act the same way?
        No matter what anyone wants to believe or not believe regarding the Pope, regarding the relevancy of the Catholic Church, etc. one thing is fact…it has been around for about 2,000 years. While she has suffered blows, made mistakes, and handled things poorly because those who make it up are human with human failings but the ultimate basis is Christ Jesus and he is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow and so the Catholic Church will survive.

        • Max Verret

          Good spin Andi, but it just doesn’t fly.

          • k962

            And what is your spin?

            • $30851753

              His spin is reality, and the fact that Jesus is simply a mythological character personified. Jesus is the personification of our wish to be forgiven for the barbaric brutalism inherent in human nature.

              • k962

                This more proof of Jesus existence in non biblical literature than there is of Julius Caesars existence!

            • Max Verret

              I don’t have a spin, Andi, I just take the Pope at his word, he advises Catholics to disavow conservatism and fundamentalism.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Andi – I did read the article and some of the people commenting today have a very difference agenda than most Christians. Some call themselves sedevacanists which I looked up as I was unaware of what it was. Apparently there is a monastery called the Most Holy Family Monastery, Fillmore, NY who has never accepted any Pope since Vatican II. They call themselve real Catholics but with the hatred for today’s Roman Catholics and other christians, I do not see them as Catholics at all. Something perhaps that you should ask your priest about.

      • Sanford Thorson

        Yea………….LEAVE IT TO THE PERVERTS……….as ROME DID…………….

      • Goodgrief75

        Pope Francis is doing some changes in the beliefs and practices of many bishops and priest.; He is doing
        some reformist works for some misguided, misinformed people in the clergy.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Goodgrief75 – I agree and think that Pope Francis is doing a wonderful job with an extremely difficult task ahead of him.

      • Miguel Pulido

        http://prophecyinthemaking.blogspot.com/2015/11/7th-and-most-likely-final-book.html
        I am Catholic and I have been writing about how he is the false pope since June of 2013!

        • False religion, so what?

          • Ozark Ranger

            False Post, so what?

            • $30851753

              False outrage, so what?

            • How many millions have I made off this post? Oh yes, NONE. How many billions are made from suckers like you? Gazillions and gazillions without taxes…..Throw another $20 in the brass plate. The preacher needs a new mansion….

        • Bruce Baggett

          I’m not quite sure what your point is. Were you just segueing into discussion to post a link to something?

        • lafontaine

          Well, you’re wrong

        • $30851753

          Of course. Because you’re a conservative nut, right?

        • Sadie Elmsworth

          because you disagree with bring Jesus back to Christianity.You phony christians will not succeed in turning Christianity into a antichristian cult of money and power and hate and subjugation.Nope..your time is short fundie conservative republicans….change is a comin

      • voxon123

        Genuine Christians have been exposing Catholicism for hundreds of years. They departed from the biblical faith hundreds of years ago. This pope should be preaching the gospel, but he spends his time seeking to unify religions. The guy is a joke and could be the false prophet of Revelations. I realize most people have little idea of what I am saying, but true regardless.

        • Max Verret

          There are no false prophets in Revelations, Voxon. The events of Revelations were already past when Rev. was written

          • voxon123

            Why would you impose your unsubstanited belief upon others? Has your mind been so poisoned by the enemy of your soul that you would impose your personal philosophy upon the text rather then considering what the text itself teaches and reveals to us about itself? Many people approach the scriptures with a bias and judgmental mindset, so you should not feel alone. Have you noticed (Revelations 13:11-18)? There we read about an individual whom most commentators describe as the false prophet. He represents and supports the Antichrist during the last days. Simply notice what he does and you will understand why he is termed, a false prophet. “Causes the people to worship the “Beast” the Antichrist. “Deceives them that dwell on the earth” etc. Your statement. “The events of Revelations were already past when Rev. was written”. Interesting proposition… where is your evidence for that statement? In (Rev. 1:11) God stated, “What you see write in a book and send it to the churches”. I see present and future not past tense concepts. Later in (Rev. 4:1) we read, “Come up here and I will show you things which must come hereafter”. Then from (Rev. 19-22) we see the second coming of Jesus, the Great White Throne Judgement, Heaven etc. done of which has occurred. Unless, of course you are writing to me from heaven and somehow I’ve missed the last four chapters of Rev. including the tribulation etc. So… yes surrounded by humanists and living in a humanistic/barbaric culture it is easy to make these uneducated propositions because so few understand the Bible, so you may see youself as some sort of Bible scholar. Please simply look at the text… study it before you make assumptions. Do not judge the content by the cover…

            • Max Verret

              “Simply look at the text”. Yes, please do, and you will see a narrative in Revelations that was written about events that had already occurred. It is not predictive of the future. It’s a backtelling of events. It was written by looking in the rear view mirror. That is not “unsubstantiated belief”, it’s biblical scholarship.

              • voxon123

                Well fine… now consider the text once again, not the philosophy you were taught to bring to the text. Your proposition cannot be supported by the text. Sometimes an educator will impose his personal belief upon a writing rather then allowing the writing to speak for itself. Please point out some references from the book which allow us to discuss the “backtelling of events”. Possibly an early historian who has some evidence in support of this view. I’ve given to you two sentences which point to a forth-telling…. there are many more. Simply begin to read the book. Whenever you come around a passage which supports your point send it to me. I am not going anywhere… since winter comes early to Vermont.

                • Max Verret

                  It’s called Biblical Criticism, including historical criticism, linguistic criticism, etc. It’s the only way of doing scriptural exegesis. I’m afraid you’re not sufficiently schooled as to hold
                  an intelligent conversation on scriptural interpretation. So, enjoy your winter in Vermont.

        • MittRomneys

          who hasnt departed from the bible ? do you have a list ?

          • voxon123

            Who hasn’t departed from the Bible? What we in America call Biblicists and/or Evangelistic Christians. These groups/people can be found everywhere throughout America. There are approximately 40 plus million in this country. They agree with one another in 98 percentage of their doctrine because they all approach the Bible from a “normal” perspective. They approach the Bible as one would any other book. They use the normal grammatical, historical, contextual approach. The Catholic Church uses church dogmas, councils etc. as their final interpreters of scriptures. So actually confuse the people, who read one thing in the Bible and hear another from the Priests.

        • Natamba Leo

          Who are those genuine christians? What is wrong with unifying people? People like you should never go unchallenged.

          • voxon123

            Remember… Jesus qualified who was a true Christian and who was simply religious or had an intellectual understanding of Christ but had never committed himself to the Lord. Jesus said, That a person cannot see the kingdom of heaven unless he is born again. (John 3) Ask yourself, “Have I been born again?” The new birth occurs when a person understands the gospel (work of Christ on the cross for forgiveness) and asks the Lord to forgive him (desire to repent) while inviting Jesus to enter their lives as Savior and Lord. It is a Spiritual experience. This is when God… The Spirit of God enters and indwells the believer. People who are born again can sense his presence and develop a new desire to pray, read the Bible, attend church, relate with people “all” people etc. They experience a new love, kindness… they begin to pray and struggle with issues which had been undermining their lives and relationships. Very powerful experience!

        • Bruce Baggett

          Actually, anyone could be the false prophet of Revelations, including that radical Paul who re-interpreted and redirected the teachings of the very person he claimed to be writing for.

          • voxon123

            Think… Paul died (was killed by Nero) about 64 A.D. The Revelation of John was written about 90 A.D. so not Paul. The false prophet may not be the pope… you’re right. I have been watching him move toward politics… world religion etc. so I am simply weighing the information. Paul simply laid the doctrinal foundation for the Christian Church. Nothing Paul says is a direct violation of what Jesus taught. Of course one could mention Jesus never spoke out against homosexuality etc. Reason… never had too..obviously that was never an issue, esp. since the Old Testament already addressed this issue and defined it as an abomination.

            • Bruce Baggett

              . . . women’s involvement in the Church?

              From reading I’ve done it’s pretty clear Paul and Peter were in disagreement. It was Paul who decided Jewish tradition that had been carried over into Christianity were no longer required (e.g. circumcision). Odd then that the direct training the disciples underwent with the prophet, were then over-ruled by someone believed to have been given right to build the Church through a “Christ-inspired” epiphany that is supported ONLY by his writings.

              • voxon123

                We must be careful of the philosophers. They often take a piece of a New Testament writing in order to support their particular point of view. In reading their propositions they appear sound and logical until we read the rest of the account. When researching an issue we are always encouraged to investigate original writings etc. rather than the writings of people who interpreted what was written and stated. Therefore, the historical account of the first 30 years of the church (Book of Acts) was written by a gentile believer named Luke. He appears to be well educated… a doctor who was given support money in order to travel with Paul and eventually wrote both Acts and the Gospel of Luke around 60 A.D. First concern: Notice Acts 15… this is when the Council came together to decide this issue of circumcision etc,. So this is as original… first hand as it gets. We see everyone departing are now on the same page. In fact Peter, James had their representatives return with Paul to speak with other believers concerning the issue. In fact Peter gave a personal example of how circumcision was not necessary for salvation. The New Testament speaks of a new agreement or arrangement between God and man. This originated with Jews and they moved it across that part of the world. Second concern: “Supported only by his writings.” Luke, not Paul wrote about church history. The Apostles heard of Paul’s experience and apparently believed him or he would not have been listened to at the council. Peter in (II Peter 3:15-16) speaks about the writings of Paul, “even as our beloved brother Paul, also, according to the wisdom given unto him has written unto you” etc. I’ve consistently found people approach the scripture with impure intentions. Not seeking to see what it actually says and teaches, rather finding what passage or verse will support their particular agenda. Sorry for the length of article…

        • $30851753

          Our species has been creating gods since we climbed down out of the trees. The Abrahamic god of the Bible is just one god in a long line of imaginary, man-created mythical beings. Anyone who believes that the capricious, vindictive, dictator god of the Bible is real, needs to be ridiculed and publicly humiliated for their intentional stupidity and ignorance.

          • voxon123

            Wow! All of this and not able to support one word. Stop reading your philosophy books or listening to your friends, who may not have ever read one book in the Bible. Which chapter in the New Testament is not historically accurate? Which statement made by Jesus was never stated? Which miracle never occurred? See your problem? Endless propositions… no support. Will you do the hard thing? Swallow some pride, and study? (Amazon: “More Than A Carpenter”). Start there… with an honest heart toward truth and the God who does not exist will begin to introduce himself to you.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          voxon – I bet that you believe in every conspiracy theory in existence.

          • voxon123

            Just one… the important one. I would hope that before you dismiss it, you would investigate it. Thousands of years ago Satan conspired to overthrown the King. He has entered our realm and conspires to destroy humankind’s… your relationship with God. Question… how is Satan doing? Do you have eternal life, or perhaps to quiet your conscience and curiosity you are now convinced it does not exist. Satan is known to do that to a body. Be wise… free yourself to think in areas that will help you see what he is really about. A ten dollar book could change your eternity. Have about reading (Amazon: “What On Earth Is God Doing”.

            • Patricia C. Gilbert

              voxon123 – Thank you for your thoughts but as I do not know you, it is obvious that you do not know me. God and I have a close relationship and I do try, with his help, not to offend people of differing opinions. I do believe that Satan (evil) is present on our earth. I see it in the greed of so many people. I have been married to my wonderful husband for 55 years, we have 5 children and 9 grandchildren and have been fortunate to have a good life. From my point of view, Pope Francis is encouraging all of us to live Christian lives, to care about the poor in our world with more than lip service, I admire the fact that he is looking into the abuses that have taken place in the Vatican and is advising the rest of the world that because we are all sinners in one way or another, to look in the mirror and try to correct our own faults rather than to spend so much time focusing on and judging others for their faults. Because we all wish to leave the earth so that the next generations have a life to enjoy, he encourages us not to abuse the earth for personal financial benefit to the few. As I do, I believe that Pope Francis wants to bring all Christians together regardless of which denomination they belong to and also to love one another as God loves all of his children. We can all improve if we work toward leading the lives that God wants for us.

              • voxon123

                My concern… what ever happened to the Gospel? If Jesus died so individuals could believe he paid for their sins, and then receive him as Savior and Lord, so they could have eternal life in heaven, then told the apostles to preach this message and bring everyone to Jesus for salvation, why is the Pope trying to bring the religions of the world together? Jesus said, “he that does not believe on me is condemned already.” (John 3:18b) In books, magazines, on the internet I see him hanging around with Muslims, Buddists etc. Obviously, he isn’t presenting Christ to them. Rather he is compromising the truth and inserts his humanistic beliefs, that good people, religious people will enter into the kingdom of heaven. If you grew up as a Catholic your childhood Priest believed you had to be a Catholic to be sure of heaven. What happened? In (Acts 4:12) Peter tells the leaders, including many religious leaders that Jesus is the only way to heaven. The Pope… many leaders in the church have rejected this foundational truth. Jesus never taught that eternal life came by being good or religious… that’s humanistic nonsense. If you can please read, “More Than A Carpenter” esp. the final chapter where McDowell shares his story. (Amazon) Salvation is not what a person can do for God but what he has done for us on the cross, and then accepting this gift of eternal life. (Ephesians 2:8-9) Yes, we are thankful for good people or religious people. But sometimes they actually depend upon their goodness or religious expressions to get into a better world. If they bypass Jesus they never will.

                • Patricia C. Gilbert

                  voxon – When I say that Pope Francis is ecumenical and think that is a good thing, I am saying that all Christians (Catholic or Protestant) believe in the same Jesus that we do and are also Christians). Jesus said –“Judge not lest you be judged, condemn not lest you be condemned” so I take it to mean that all of us can attain heaven. It is greatly important that we be as good a people as we are able to be. When you speak of Muslims, Buddists etc., my take on this is that when people see the goodness of Pope Francis, living as he does in a Christ-like way and not judging, they may choose to follow his lead. The way he leads gets people to follow by example and not fear.

                  • voxon123

                    Protestants do not believe many of the teachings found in the Catholic Church. This is why thousands of Catholics departed from the church during the reformation period. Catholic Priest, Monks, Nuns actually started the reformation. Today the “mainline” protestant churches are apostate! Most no longer believe in the miracles in the Bible or that Jesus is necessary to get to heaven. Their leaders are nothing more than social workers who gather on Sunday to speak about Jesus’ good example of living.

                    Read (John 8) and see how Jesus addressed false religious leaders. He actually called them the “children of Satan”! Judging? Of course not. Jesus knew exactly who they were and what they were doing. Once the facts are in and understood it is not a blind judgement rather a knowledgeable decision or action. Here he was speaking to the religious leaders of his day.

                    The Pope is not trying to convert or convince anyone. He is walking in the counsel of the ungodly, standing in the way with sinners, and sitting in the seat with the scornful. (Psalm 1) He hangs out with the good people who follow the good religious principles of their particular faith. The Pope doesn’t think Jesus is necessary for heaven… religion… being good will be good enough. Then why did Jesus die? So we could ignore him… make nice and go to heaven. He said he was the only sacrifice which once sincerely received grants eternal life. Times have changed… these leaders… Catholic, Protestant etc. have changed their views. But they often keep it to themselves. That’s why I follow Christ and not the Pope or any church! Question: If you died tonight and found yourself standing before God and he asked you, “Why should I let you into my kingdom” what would you say? This is what really matters. I sit in church and hope… please, I know I have eternal life in heaven. No guessing game.

                    • Patricia C. Gilbert

                      voxon – I wish you the love of God.

                      • voxon123

                        I wish you would honestly answer the question…

                        • Patricia C. Gilbert

                          I would say to God—I have tried to follow the life of Jesus Christ and if you think me worthy, let me join you in the heavenly kingdom of God. If not, I will go where you think I deserve to go. That is my honest answer to your question.

                    • Ozark Ranger

                      Luther started the reformation, which was a good thing.

        • Ms. G.

          Voxon, I read this and what you added below. You and I don’t hail from the same branches of Christianity. I do however perceive your concern with church leadership whom you do not trust to lead Christian in their faith and spiritual life. I could see that in your comments regarding apostacy and disbelief within “mainline” protestant churches, functioning more as social welfare organizations and less as spiritual leaders of Christian belief. I can appreciate you do not want this trend of deemphasizing the Gospel to be encouraged in Christianity in general, and you would like to see so prominent a Christian leader as the Pope make teaching the Gospel his most prominently displayed priority. I wish we’d read more about him preaching the Gospel, but could it be the press just doesn’t report it? I do think the Pope is trying to put a lot of effort in leading by example in putting the Gospel in action. I also think the press reports his words and activities incompletely and in ways which serve narratives they would like to portray.

      • Theo

        Religious fundamentalism married political conservatism in 1980, and the negative images of Christianity have gotten disgracefully negative. They have forfeited their right to claim any connection to the teachings of Jesus. The Pope is absolutely right in his assessment, and I am not Catholic. These churches now condone greed, selfishness, class and race insensitivity, and pick and choose social issues based on which ones benefit conservative politics. These values are enforced in the churches. Their preachers have become charlatans such as described in Hosea 4:9, “And it shall be, like people, like priest.” One church fired the youth minister for having a Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker. Another youth minister leads the youth of the church around in the neighborhood stealing progressive candidates’s yard signs, bringing them back to the church to be burned. Racism from the 50s and 60s is still mouthed in private. Their hatred of Pres. Obama is greater than their love for country. And without a twinge of conscience they can fabricate stories and claims against the president and now Hillary Clinton. They think this is doing God’s work. For some of them, their greatest spiritual quest is to take affordable health care coverage from the working poor. This “brand” of religion doesn’t deserve any respect whatsoever.

        • Seventhrama

          All I can say is Amen.

        • David Teiwes

          You are obviously brain dead what Odumbo is doing to our country and if Hilarious gets in say goodbye to America forever as we used to know it!!!

          • Theo

            Obviously, you are another ditto head who gets their limited knowledge from Fox News. Evidently, when you can’t argue a point, you resort to name calling. Not very reflective of intelligence, but, hey, that is what we expect from Fox News viewers. You must actually believe all their propaganda. Several formal studies have shown that Fox viewers are the most uninformed voters in the country. I doubt that you would actually check out the U of Maryland study and the Fairleigh Dickinson study and many others. So what exactly is it that Pres. Obama is doing that scares you? You must not like it that the unemployment rate is down to 5% or the 66 straight months of job growth or that the Dow has gone from 6500 to over 18000. Or that the working poor now have affordable health care coverage. Which proves my original point. To appear at least somewhat informed, you would list what you oppose and give some valid reasons for that.

            • Patricia C. Gilbert

              I agree, Theo.

              • Theo

                There is a group of us all on the same page around the country that communicate through cyberspace. Sounds like you would be interested in giving and receiving the “good political stuff” that we circulate. Here is a temporary address: johnson456@bellsouth.net

          • $30851753

            Speaking of brain dead, you are a moron.

            • David Teiwes

              In replying to a juvenile response with a juvenile response “It takes one to
              know one!”

          • Sadie Elmsworth

            hey David…uh duh duh duh..inbred moron

            • David Teiwes

              Well! Well! What a cute adhominem compliment from another inbred moron!!!

              • E=MC2

                So Obama is destroying this country???
                Unemployment at 5%, 65 Straight months of Jobs growth, Dow close to 18,000 no new wars, no 9/11 type terrorist attacks, deficits cut in 1/2, 18 Million more Americans with Affordable Health Care. Lowest tax rate since 1950’s, Gas around $2.00 a gallon, GM/Ford record profits. Record amounts of job openings
                So tell me again how Obama is destroying America?????????

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Theo – Thank you for the best comment so far. You are correct.

        • Sadie Elmsworth

          well said so refreshing to read the hard honest truth..

      • NoOne

        This man a socialist dictater with some hint’s of mooslim and communism.
        SOund’s like he one of Oweblumbler’s cronie’s. It so discusting what
        the Pop Frances and Oweblumgner doing to this country we NEED to
        empeach them BOTH NOW!

        • Observing U

          Sounds like Jesus to me.

          • NoOne

            JEsus was a Tru-Christian™ Soldier, fighting tooth and nail’s not only for you’re and mine’s right’s to bear arms, but also for Conservative value’s of which he preached!!

            • Theo

              Yeah, conservative values such his statement that the sick need to see a physician (Matthew 9:12), and all that stuff about taking care of the sick, feeding the hungry, giving water to the thirsty, visiting prisoners, taking immigrants into your home, and clothing the naked. The conservatives of his day were the Pharisees. When Jesus listed the “weightier matters of the law,” the first thing he mentioned was justice (Matthew 23:23). Yep! All those conservative values like that.

              • $30851753

                How dare you use facts and evidence to argue against a fu[q]ing wing nut.

            • Sadie Elmsworth

              ok now I know youre kidding lol

              • NoOne

                Theirs nothing kidding about the thing’s that JEsus does for us, Sadle Oaksworth. JEsus died for our right to bear arm’s and moreover to use our God-given fossle-fuel’s!!

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          NoOne – It is right that you call yourself NoOne as you obviously fit this description. Pathetic would be an even better moniker for you.

        • $30851753

          If you’re not smart enough to have passed third grade English, you have no right to be taken seriously. Buy yourself a dictionary and use it.

          • NoOne

            Buy you’re self a BIBBLE and use it–JEsus the true thing and he is ANGRY about starbuck’s war on Christmans!!!

            • Sadie Elmsworth

              you got to be kidding…

        • Sadie Elmsworth

          this is hilarious…wow..pure comedic relief

      • NoOne

        Wow this is wonderful

      • bluetexan

        Religion is opiate for the masses.

        • Johnny Cook

          I’ll never discount the fact that many of the Faithful are genuinely good sincere people, but the ones hogging the spot light are anything but. When someone starts waving their Bible in the air and invoking God’s Name every other breath, keep your hand on your wallet and run as fast as you can.

      • José Raymond Herrera

        Well, if Francis wants the Church to look more «with face of a mother who understands, accompanies, caresses» then a bigger place has to be given to females in the Church, not only at the lower levels but at the highest. I’m pretty sure we’ll see the difference.

        • bob

          Jose, I agree we would see the difference, but I doubt we will ever see that happen

      • Dozie

        It is a sad day in Catholicism when the pope himself has become the source of confusion regarding what Catholic faith is. This man is being anything but destructive to the Catholic Church. Repeat: the pope is destroying the Catholic Church and if he is not vehemently opposed today, by the time he is done with us, the Catholic faith will be largely unrecognizable from what it was under Benedict VI.

        It is clear to me at least, that Francis does not like the Catholic Church he inherited. This pope (not sure how appropriate that name is since he does not like being pope) does not like the Church of John XXIII, or the Church of Paul VI, or even of John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Francis is giving us a totally different Church – the Church of his making and likeness. Here is a pope who hates and downplays Catholic doctrines. One wonders what then are the bases of what he himself believes and teaches. Is there any foundation to what he believes or does he make things up as he goes? Francis has shown us he is not interested in Catholic theology; he hates Catholic theology and doctrines. He has instead concerned himself with the promotion of Liberation Theology. Away with him!!!

        • Observing U

          “One wonders what then are the bases of what he himself believes and teaches” as an outsider, it sounds like he is more in line with Jesus’s teachings than the last one. Thank God!

          • Dozie

            This pope has not shown that he reads or understands the Bible. He is however an activist. I will follow Benedict any day over Francis. About being in line with Jesus; whoever is in line with Church teachings is the one who follows closely. First of all, one has to understand the bible and Tradition in order to follow more closely. All you have to do is compare the writings of Francis with those of popes before him. Francis has no time for proper reflections on the Bible and Church Tradition.

            Francis does not come across as a man of prayer either. He is a radical so much that even some people outside the Church have questioned whether he is Catholic: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/02/is-the-pope-catholic-critics-rally-around-benedict-as-talk-of-schism-looms.html. Francis is doing his best is bringing confusion where we have traditionally expected clarity. The Catholic Mass is doctrine based; does Francis believe the Mass accomplishes what the Church says it does?

            The pope has urged young people to make a mess in the Church. He is however not waiting for them to do so; he is making the mess himself. Very sad to watch.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Dozie – Pope Francis leads his life by following the life and words of Jesus. You should try it sometime but if not, go back to dozing.

          • Dozie

            I do not know how closely you think this pope is following Jesus. First of all, we come to know Jesus’ teachings through and in the Church. If the Church has been teaching and believing one thing for centuries and then comes a radical who is proposing another thing; we must say that the radical is not with Jesus.

            Jesus entered the Temple in Jerusalem and drove away those making a mess of the house of God – the money changers and animal traders. On the other hand, we see and hear the so called vicar of Christ urging young people to make a mess in the Church : http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/13/us-pope-latam-paraguay-idUSKCN0PM0QC20150713#Ee06rGqRbCwTXKDh.97.

            It is foolishness for a pope to urge Catholics to mess up the Church. Thankfully, Bishop Tobin responded to him here http://m.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/catholic-bishop-pope-francis-fond-creating-mess-mission-accomplished. Archbishop Chaput also countered that the kind of mess the pope is encouraging can only come from the devil and not from an agent of Christ.

            Jesus confronts the woman caught in adultery and while not condemning her, publicly urged her to go and sin no more. On the other hand, Francis invites a homosexual couple, publicly kisses them and we did not hear him rebuking them to go and sin no more.

            Thankfully, young people will not mess up the Church; the pope is doing a fine job at messing up the Church.

      • Robert Johnson

        His concern is also the money or should i say the lack of it!

      • Robert Johnson

        What a f-in idiot! talk about a wolf in sheeps clothing! conservatism is christian you dumba-s! no they ain’t perfect but you can’t show me anything even remotely close as it is! So i suppose its ok to be liberal and kill babies and tell homosexuals to have it their way and pay no attention to what the bible says about it? False prophet ring a bell?

        • bob

          “f-in idiot” and “dumba*s”. Can you tell me where I can find those terms in the bible?

        • bluetexan

          God is the biggest mass murderer in history, if one is inclined to believe the bible.

          • Ken Francis

            bluetexan: the genocide written about in the Old Testament is one of the biggest thorns in the sides of Biblical Fundamentalists and Inerrantists ( however, there are many others ). If you want a perfect example of ” mumbo-jumbo ” Christian theology and doctrine, please read the defenses given by a inerrantist apologist for these genocides in the book ” The Human Faces of God ” by Thom Stark. You will also find many other eye-opening facts about Biblical interpretation contained within.

        • Observing U

          Jesus was a radical liberal.

        • Sadie Elmsworth

          look,either follow the teachings of Christ or stop calling yourself a Christian.Jesus was a radical liberal….peaceloving socialist inclusive and not too fond of people who judge others at all…Jesus left no room for hate..except for money changers in the temple…he was qite anti capitalist…and he may not condone abortion but he sure would condone preventive measures like birth control and plan b..which planned parenthood is all about..conservatives do not have a christian bone in their body…

      • Karen Oswold

        There’s a great book out called “Bible Stories Mother Never Told Me” by CL Putnam that will blow your mind! It re-tells several Bible stories, but from the point of view of God’s “enemies” and his “victims”. There are also chapters that reveal some amazing facts about homosexuality, killing your children, and the REAL “Ten Commandments”. If you really want to know the WHOLE truth about the Bible, THIS is the book to read!!!

      • bluetexan

        The nation has over 3000 different religious sects who are in disagreement, along with two political parties who seemingly make it a point not to agree. Humans have been roaming the planet over 200,000 years and still can’t form a cohesive society.
        So much knowledge, so little wisdom.

        • Lizbet

          Jesus started the first Christian religion. They called it Catholic years later. It began long before Muslim even. The first Other Christian religions were begun by disgruntled Catholics… and on and on it went…. for the past 2,000+ years.

      • Jack Ryan

        Communism – Liberation theology , cultural marxism is a disease. This #**$(# Liberation theology Pope is part of the disease. Let’s look to our kinsmen in Spain and Chile to give us the antidote to this disease

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcMlYKmYNzs

        • bob

          So which of the over 40,000 christian sects do you suscirbe

        • bluetexan

          Superstitious beliefs keep mankind uncivil.

          • Robert Johnson

            You’re an idiot! can you even read? history should be your guide moron!

        • José Raymond Herrera

          Ryan, you’re a fool. Pinochet was the worst dictator in Latin America and his memory already vanished like pestilence in the wind.

        • Observing U

          In other words, you hate Jesus’s teachings?

      • candide

        The enemy the pope is attacking is called Catholic Integrism, the traditionalist wing of the church which has always fingered Protestants, Jews, Free Masons and secular liberals as the cause of all evil. I call them the Fascist Party at Prayer. Some attacking the pope here are integrists. Others are bigoted Protestants who have always hated the Catholic Church. The pope is speaking for God, not because he is anything more than a man with as godgiven mission, but because he is speaking the truth.

        • rich

          When did that phrase, Catholic Integrism, get made up??? Of course the Catholic Church fingers protestants, jews, free masons, secular liberals as the cause of all evil (actually not the cause but following Satan who is the actual cause). Were you born yesterday? Non-pope bergoglio does not speak for Catholicism, he speaks for the modernist one-world religion where there are no absolutes and everyone of good-will is going to get to Heaven….this premise is 100000000000% anti-Catholic.

          • Patricia C. Gilbert

            rich – You do not get Christianity at all and that is very sad. Pope Francis follows the life of Jesus and clearly, you do not.

      • Torry Jordan

        This coming from a guy who sleeps in a golden bed.

        • nycmale99

          Pope Francis does not sleep in a “Golden bed” he doesn’t even reside in the Papal apartments. He has chosen to live in simple rooms in a small residence on the Vatican grounds

          • Robert Johnson

            Thats so if he gets caught they can’t lay on him that he defiled the chosen room!

            • Patricia C. Gilbert

              Robert Johnson – You are truly disgusting and know nothing of Christianity.

        • Andi

          Even the Popes who lived in the Vatican apartments didn’t ‘sleep in a golden bed’. Take a look at pictures of the living quarters in the papal apartments and it is much closer to a bare bones sleeping room than a palace. I suspect if you compare the Vatican apartment, the hotel where the current Pope resides, and the homes of the Protestant preachers espousing ‘prosperity theology’ the later would live in the most opulent surroundings. How many Protestant preachers have their own jets? The Pope uses an Alitalia jet that is chartered for the trip and then goes back into normal service.

      • bob

        He brings a new perspective of reason, compassion, and acceptance to an institution sorely in need of those ideas. These concepts will not be easily accepted in a 2000 year old monolithic hierarchy like the RCC.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          bob – Thank you for your comment as clearly, you get that Pope Francis is a great leader, not only for the Catholic Church, but for all Christians and other religions as well.

      • Brian Ahern

        The Pope is starting to sound like Martin Luther.

        • rich

          He makes martin luther look like a saint.

          • Johnny Cook

            Some day the Church may elect Martin Luther to that status. There’s been much talk about it.

            • rich

              LOL…no, the actual Catholic Church cannot do that. This is why sedevacantism exists. You do not know the definition of the Catholic Church. Learn it and get back to me.

      • rich

        This pope, and Im speaking as a Catholic who knows his Faith (not just the hippie garbage written after 1965), is so far out to lunch regarding what he says that its not even funny. I mean hey, if at the end of time we all find out that the Catholic Church for some reason was one big sham and the people who have always hated the Church had it right the whole time….then Francis is good to go. If however, the opposite is true then Francis is doomed, because he says NOTHING in line with Catholic Dogma…..he makes men like JP2 and Benedict (who were true modernists in every sense of the word) look like good Catholics.

        • Chris Connolly

          The Pope is infallible. You don’t know your faith. You are an idiot who listens to “Faux” News. Go suck Huckabee’s D!CK. You aren’t Catholic. SHAME!!!

          • rich

            Chris you poor fool. You have no concept of what infallibility means. If the pope said tomorrow that Jesus was not God would that statement be infallible?

            • rich

              And to the 2 morons who gave this idiot Chris a thumbs up…..why??

              • Beowulf52

                Because he was responding to another Roman Catholic who is trashing the pope. If one(Roman Catholic) truly believes the pope to be infallible, then one must logically believe the same of this pope. . I believe he was speaking a point to those traditionalists, not to the rest of Christendom or even the world. Still, I don’t recall Francis making ANY ex cathedra pronouncements up to this point.
                I think it’s a great point! That said, I do not believe in papal infallibility as it is understood by Roman Catholics, but I certainly think this pope is more in line with Jesus’ ethical teachings than the traditionalists.
                I had to chuckle though to see the church reject fundamentalism, yes sir, has anyone ever put fundamentalism and Roman Catholicism in the same breath! ;>)

                • Patricia C. Gilbert

                  Beowulf52 – Lately, there are many similarities between some Roman Catholic fundamentalists and Evangelical fundamentalists in the United States and, from my point of view, neither group lives the life that Jesus would like for them.

          • David Teiwes

            The Pope is not infallible! He is a sinner just like you and me which means the Pope can never be infallible!

          • Ms. G.

            The Pope is infallible only when he teaches in certain limited instances, concerning Faith and Morals. It’s not nearly as broad as many people believe.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          rich – As I said before, you do not get Catholicism and certainly you have no idea what Jesus taught nor how he lived. You do not know the Catholic faith at all and that is sad.

      • sounds like he is trying to lead the church back to Christ ( I hope anyways ) true fully besides holding money to give to the poor at times of needs the people of the church should have no need for money

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          john – Many of us hope and pray that Pope Francis will be successful in bringing the church back to Christ.

      • Jack Ryan

        This latest Pope is Catholic in Name Only. He’s Liberation Theology, cultural marxist, embraces Islam – here’s hoping he suffers the same fate as that Sandinista Communist Bishop in El Salvador

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_5B3jpRQBI

        • rich

          I detest francis but thats a little harsh.

          • Ms. G.

            Jack Ryan it is wrong for you to wish violent death on this man. If you don’t like him, perhaps you could wish him an early retirement instead.

            • Beowulf52

              or do what Jesus said to do and love him and pray for him!

        • unreligious

          Yes I’m sure Jesus would be proud of you wishing death on others.

          • Jack Ryan

            Communists certainly brought death to others…

            Millions

            Catholic patriots like Francisco Franco and General Pinochet fought and defeated these monsters murderers of millions.

            • unreligious

              What does that have to do with you wishing death on someone?

              • Jack Ryan

                not death…. just hope he has his Pope Lear jet taken away, and he has to do a real job.

                Liberation Theology cultural marxist $ millionaires are a real pain.

                • unreligious

                  You posted a video of Oscar Romero’s assassination and said you hoped Pope Francis suffers the same fate. That is saying you hope he is killed. Now you are backpedaling and saying you don’t. Perhaps you can find a place in Ben Carson’s campaign committee, they too twist the truth and their words.

                • Patricia C. Gilbert

                  Jack Ryan – To actual Christians, you are a real pain. I will pray for your enlightenment.

            • Beowulf52

              And how many People disappeared, were murdered etc by those two- just as many! The were equally as monstrous as Stalin, and Pol Pot. I think it’s monstrous to think Jesus approves of such actions no matter WHO is doing them. Calling the fascist “Catholic Patriots” is as delusional as they were. At least Lenin and Pol Pot and Stalin OWNED their unbelief!

        • bluetexan

          You are the type of sick minded person the rest of us should be aware. Religion skews the mind.
          “Those who can be made to believe in absurdities can be made to commit atrocities.” – Voltaire

          • Patricia C. Gilbert

            Jack Ryan —When I see your name and comments, the only thing that comes to mind regarding you is “Devil begone”. I hope you find Christianity and learn to lead a Christian life.

      • Jo Strabuchinkoskowitzenheimer

        I disavow catholocism and embrace the Old Testament and New Testament.

        • I think you should do what you want. right are wrong the church was built by peter the foundation for Christ .
          the way I see it when Christ returns he is taking the seat the pop sits in and kicking them all out and bringing in his own team of players . basically I have no problem with the catholic church we are all sinners hoping that Christ will forgive us when the time comes

          • Beowulf52

            John, you don’t need to hope, you can have it and know it.

          • Jo Strabuchinkoskowitzenheimer

            John, the catholic church is 100% man made. Peter was a married Jew, which is certainly not the criteria to be a pope, according to catholics. The true church is Jesus Christ and all of those who believe in him for their salvation.

        • DC Welker

          You have it right friend. I highly suggest looking at: http://walterveith.com/walter-veith-total-onslaught-videos.html You may not agree with all of his theology, but, you will love the evidence he provides for his stance and the proof and sources he shares

      • kfromaz

        Yep, let’s all embrace sexual perversion, liberalism and let’s let everyone do whatever they want: 10 Commandments, we don’t need any 10 Commandments! We got Frankie & Obama!

        • Leonel Hernandez

          Your comment is a clear example of the problem with fundamentalism: if it’s not one extreme, it’s the total opposite extreme. You should give moderation a try. The world could use some these days.

          • rich

            The Catholic Church is not about moderation though, thats your mmistake.

            • Leonel Hernandez

              Well, I agree with you and I have no interest in defending the Catholic church. But still, that’s no reason to take the “if they’re not doing it why should we?” kind of approach. Like I said, we could use some moderation precisely because there’s so little of it from the ones who should promote it.

              • rich

                I defend the True Catholic Church always. When I said that the Church was not about moderation….as byi ts definition it cannot possibly be….I was saying that I am in full support of that stance. What Francis promotes is not Catholic.

                • Beowulf52

                  He was chosen as you believe, by the Holy Spirit by the Bishops in the conclave, if you really believe that than how can you trash Francis, isn’t that trashing the Holy Spirit? That is, if you really can believe that sort of thing.

                  • rich

                    Where do you get this idea that the Holy Spirit picks a pope?? The Holy Spirit GUIDES those who ask for GUIDANCE….the Holy Spirit doesnt PICK the pope. Good grief.

                    • Patricia C. Gilbert

                      rich – you bring disappointment and grief to all that you speak to. I guess there is no helping you except through God so we will pray for your soul.

                • Patricia C. Gilbert

                  rich – Pope Francis was chosen by the enclave of Cardinals with the help of the Holy Spirit and was sent to be the Pope as God sees the world in a death knell and knew that Pope Francis would restore Christianity to the Catholic church and all of the religions of the world.
                  Have faith, rich…..it was the best decision in choosing a Pope in the last 50 years or more.

                  • rich

                    He isnt Catholic….please get a clue.

                    • Patricia C. Gilbert

                      rich – Who isn’t Catholic?. One does not have to be Catholic to comment on these articles.Your comment to me makes no sense unless you were saying that, in your warped opinion, that Pope Francis was not Catholic. That would indicate that you have serious mental issues so I hope that was not what you meant.

                      • rich

                        My dear, any heretic severs him/herself from the Church. Stop already with the 14 year old insults about how I have “serious mental issues”….all that does is make you appear immature. Mr Bergoglio is a heretic and therefore severed from the Catholic Church. Have you ever heard of Pope Eugene IV’s papal bull entitled Canatate Domino? You, like most people who call themselves Catholic today, probably havent. Try reading it and then PLEASE explain to me how what this clown bergoglio says is in any way Catholic (specifically as it regards to those outside of the Catholic Faith). Also, remember that the true Church cannot teach error….so dont tell me that because the Papal Bull was written in the 1400’s it is no longer true.

                        • Patricia C. Gilbert

                          rich – I am so sorry for your hate filled soul. Pope Francis is a wonderful gift from God as the world is sadly in such need as are you. The Cardinals came together and with the help of the Holy Spirit made the right decision in choosing Pope Francis to be our Pope. You demean the Holy Spirit and Pope Francis. I will pray for your enlightenment as you are not living a Christian life with such hatred in your heart.

                        • rich

                          As I figured, you totally dismissed the Catholic document I presented…and I am not surprised at all. You cafeteria Catholics can never be taken seriously being that you dont take your Faith seriously. Dont waste your time praying for me, pray for yourself. You probably dont know what the Catholic Encyclopedia is either but if you get a chance read its entry on Hatred (you probably didnt know that there is actually a GOOD hatred….and that is the kind I have for Mr Bergoglio…..I dont hate the man, I hate what he is doing). The Holy GHOST (thats how we old school Catholics refer to the 3rd person of the Trinity) had nothing to do with picking this scoundrel as pope….the scoundrel “cardinals” (all possessed of free will by the way…as you should know) picked him.

        • Observing U

          Jesus was the Original Liberal

      • Roy Merritt

        I am Christian and while not a Catholic I sure do agree with this Pope often. Conservatism and Fundamentalism have nothing to do with Jesus Christ and his Gospel. In the United States Conservatism serves only the purpose of Satan for it is based on individualism which is contrary to everything Jesus Christ taught. Jesus taught were are responsible for others and we should come last. As Christians we should be caring for the sick, the poor and the old and infirm. We should despise the hoarding of wealth. Romans 13 says Government is there for the protection and welfare of the people.

        • Billy

          Please oh please show me where Jesus told anyone to give there money to the government so the government could care for them that needed help in there name….. I will not hold my breath because HE NEVER DID…. He taught us to do it one on one…. with out resources….. not resources taken from others against there will…

          • Alfonso

            kfromaz and Billy, your take on Christianity is one that I never understand. Jesus didn’t say many things, but we can imply from his many quotes and actions what he wanted us to do. If he was walking among us today, you guys would be the priests that condemned him. You will be the ones yelling “crucify him.” But keep on believing that your brand of Christianity is the way to go. We all know that Jesus was/is a liberal.

            • Billy

              Prove it…… He NEVER said give to the government so thay can help the poor in your name…. You are wrong…. Jesus in not a liberal…. He is a libertarian….

            • Billy

              Do you own “Saint Alfonso Pancake Breakfast”?? LMOA

            • Billy

              We know… HE wants US to take care of the needy… ONE ON ONE…… You really think He would want us to give to some organization that takes over 50% for themselves before it get to them that needs it? I think not…. BE A GOOD STEWARD…… The Federal Government is NOT a good steward…. And has no business being in the “Charity” business….. You liberals are nothing but thieves, using the Fed to do your stealing from the tax payers< its real easy to be charitable with other peoples money….

          • he said give on to Cesar what is Cesar and give on to the lord what is the lord.
            the paper you give the government that they support you with is worthless and only has value to men, god will give you something of even grater value when Christ returns eternal life

          • Beowulf52

            Read the Prophets, the rest of the OT and see how they railed against oppression of the poor, etc. Jesus at the Judgment talks mightily of feeding the hungry, visiting the sick etc. You’re right, Jesus did not tell the government to do it he told believers to do it, but since most cannot or WILL NOT, the secular arm needs to step in. If we were doing what we’re supposed to be doing, we wouldn’t need welfare, and other programs. As well, we are also told to submit to the governing authorities and pay our taxes. Put up or shut up church!

          • Roy Merritt

            Romans Chapter 13 vs. 6; This is why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7, Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay your taxes, If revenue pay the revenue, If respect then respect and if honor then give honor.

            • Billy

              Still didn’t say give to the government so they can help the poor in your name…. try again…..

        • kfromaz

          And that ‘protection’ includes the death penalty!
          Obviously, you know little or nothing about God, about His Holy Spirit, about His Word, the meaning of Salvation or the meaning of any of it, i.e., you are utterly ignorant of what you are talking about.

          • the church was built by peter the foundation for Christ .
            the way I see it when Christ returns he is taking the seat the pop sits in and kicking them all out and bringing in his own team of players . basically I have no problem with the catholic church we are all sinners hoping that Christ will forgive us when the time comes

            • Observing U

              It’s Peter’s Church, Not Jesus’s. Jesus doesn’t need a church. He is a Way.

        • rich

          You are not a Catholic and agree often with him….and there, in a nutshell, is why any real Catholic has a big problem with him. Jesus taught that you could not come to the Father but through Him. What does that say about what Jesus Himself said about muslims, jews, atheists, or anyone who rejected Him through sin?? Seems to me that Christ wasnt the peace loving hippie that people like you make Him out to be.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Roy – Thank you as it is clear that you get Christianity. God Bless you.

      • bob

        Bible quote coming in 3…2…1

      • Rafe Husain

        why are conservatives such whiners? I am wondering are they born that way or is it an acquired syndrome after overdosing on limpbaugh / faux

        • Brett

          lol

        • Brett

          Most of them are fat stupid middle aged American white men who cant get it up anymore!

        • Old Coot

          Hussein, When the pope talks about conservatives, he’s not talking about politicians. He’s talking about the old guard in the church, who wants to preserve its order, its wealth, its pomp and its arrogance. Pay attention.

          • Patricia C. Gilbert

            Old Coot – When the shoe fits….you’ve got to wear it.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Rafe Husain – I think that it is the overdosing in limbaugh and FAUX.

      • Brett

        This pope is about all the catholic church has got left with its outdated mythology! No one in Europe believes in that hoku pokus BS anymore! The only people still clinging to it beside the clergy themselves are poor Africans and Latin Americans along with a few psychotic Americans!

      • Pickwick

        “Jesus Christ the same, yesterday, today and forever.” (Hebrews 13:8)

      • Lawrence Durbin

        Francis is a socialist liberal from Argentina, always has been. He is just another Obama wearing a bigger ring.

        • Brett

          Keep believing in your retarded myths and legends because liberal or not you are eventually going to like the rest of us. THEN LIGHTS OUT!!

          • gdwight

            I have no doubt if you are lucid on your death bed you will be crying like a little girl about your inevitable demise

        • Brett

          die

      • JP

        Just a quick read, but it sounds a tinsy bit Liberation Theology like, which would be very Jesuit of him. The Jesuits I’ve known love money and power, too. They preach to us on how to be poor while they collect your money.

        • gdwight

          Not tinsy bit but is Liberation Theology
          The best-known form of liberation theology is that which developed in Latin America in the 1950s
          Although liberation theology has grown into an international and inter-denominational movement, it began as a movement within theCatholic Church in Latin America in the 1950s and 1960s. Liberation theology arose principally as a moral reaction to the poverty and social injustice in the region.
          Detractors have called it Christianized Marxism

      • mike mike

        Funny… In the scripture there is no pope

        • bob

          You’re correct, but most of them say Peter was the first Pope. The whole “you are Peter and upon this rock I will buid church” thingy

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Thingy is a good description.

          • 1shaun1

            How could Peter be the first pope? He was married and never visited Rome.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          It was an invention by Constantine to empower his sock puppet when he co-opted it to strengthen the Empire.

          • Brett

            No kidding along with a historical Jesus to boot!

        • Brett

          In the original SCRIPTURES there was no real Jesus either!

          • 1shaun1

            John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

        • Michael Bazikos

          Funny… In the scriptures the protestant doctrine of ‘sola scriptura’ is not there at all. However, Protestantism is in the bible. Read the ‘rebellion of Korah’ Num.16 Notice the arguments of the rebels were the same as that of the protestant reformers. And Yahweh did not bless their rebellion. In fact, the doctrine of the Trinity is not found in the bible. It is not contradicted by the bible, but the bible was not written as a catechism or encyclopedia and it is not there because the Bible is not the sole rule of faith. The faith was handed on by epistle and word of mouth, just as the jewish religion was. And, how could sola scriptura even operate when universal literacy was only achieved in recent times? And the printing press made books available, but most folks did not own books until recent times.

        • Daze Inde

          Yes there is. Thou are Peter and upon this Rock I shall build MY Church!

      • amercon

        Clean up the greed and financial miss-management in the catholic church, but change the culture to fit the Bible and not the reverse. This pope sounds like he is into liberation theology and communism rather than Christianity.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          “Liberation theology and communism” was what Jesus preached in the Gospels. So you just believe in the modern day capitalist “Supply Side Jesus”?

          • Billy

            WRONG……. Jesus was a free market trade type of guy…. NO WHERE did he tell you to give your money to the state to help the needy in your name….. NO WHERE….. PERIOD….

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              He said give it them directly. Did you ever think of that?

            • David Crotty

              Give unto Cesar what is Cesar’s and to God what is Gods.

              • Ms. G.

                THAT’S the quote to remember, and to remind Cesar to stick to getting his, not what’s mine, or what’s my neighbor’s, or what’s my community’s or what’s God’s.

                • David Crotty

                  I don;t get it. You folks need to read the bible a little more closely. While the Old Testament was not so much into the poor, Jesus talked about them insistently. And as for taxes, the Jews were collecting taxes long before the Romans came along. The money that was God’s in this quote was the taxes that the Jews collected to support the high priests’ high life style. The only thing Jesus said to the tax collector was to collect only the taxes that were due.

                  • Ms. G.

                    No, folks need to read the bible and remember how good we have it in modern times, but that freedom has responsibility. Ancient people who had RULERS. In the U.S. citizen voters are the rulers, and we elect representative leaders, to whose decisions we agree to abide. In the United States, voters must take responsibility for the decisions they make when they elect leaders who will decide the type and extent of taxes (i.e. your resources, getting collected by government). Elected leaders must be held accountable by voters if taxation encroaches too far into incomes and activities and too far beyond or not far enough for what citizens believe is appropriate for government to manage. Voters need to not just sit by and let it happen. We have a responsibility to achieve our goals but without government abuse of our resources.

            • Ms. G.

              You mean “Blessed are they who establish a large confiscatory tax authority to redistribute the wealth of others to the less fortunate and invoke my name at times while doing so ” is NOT in the Bible?

              • Billy

                You got it….. LMAO

        • JP

          It’s totally Liberation Theology. Got a big dose of it in Jesuit High school.

          • Daze Inde

            Liberation Theology aka Marxism?

        • pragmatist3

          Christ preached love and compassion and forgiveness.
          He taught that we should abandon material things, embrace the stranger and take care of the poor.
          He did not preach about abortion, birth control or gay marriage.
          He had apostles, not theologians.
          That sounds a lot like Liberation Theology too.

          • RoodAwakening

            Jesus didn’t have to “preach about abortion, birth control or gay marriage.” The Jews he mainly addressed already knew those were PAGAN behaviors, and not fit for the people of God. So, He could focus on other issues, and leave those topics to Paul, whose main audience were pagans and former ones.

        • Jack Ryan

          No. He definitely is in to Liberation theology.

          Communism – cultural marxism with some Christian disguises.

      • Keith

        Nobody can say that the universal church is fundamental. The leadership reject the authority of the Bible and make up things as they go along.

        • Monte Noffsinger

          ‘THE’ as the definite article church is fundamentalist. They follow sound doctrines and apply Acts 17:11 on all things

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            But Jesus didn’t say that.

            • Monte Noffsinger

              Jesus is the Word and all scriptures is written under inspiration of God. A fundamentalist follows the doctrines of the scriptures and understands them

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                So you believe the abjuration of God to the ancient Hebrews to kill every one of them that pisseth against the wall and all women with knowledge of men, then make slaves of all the rest?

                • Monte Noffsinger

                  I say that those that make war against Israel when in favor of God they are dealt with in the extreme by God

                  Do not even try and pretend you know anything about the scriptures. You do not

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    You idiot. I was raised in the Faith. My uncle was a missionary in Nigeria for 22 years, and I know a heck of a lot more about Christianity and Palestine than a raving, bloodthirsty loon like you will know.

                    • Monte Noffsinger

                      Palestinians are a fictitious people and country

                      Mormons have missionaries and are a cult just like Catholicism so what said means nothing

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Wow! That’s about as idiotic as I get from some of the most demented of the ZioNazis. Not even the war criminal, David Ben-Gurion, entertained such nonsense.

                      • lafontaine

                        You could say that every people/nation is a ‘fictitious people and country’ then, if over 2000 years of culture/habitation doesn’t make them ‘real’. ‘Americans are not even 300 years old.

                        • Monte Noffsinger

                          No one has claimed that Americans are not real or have come back from extinction. Philistines are extinct. Under Gods order they were wiped out by the Hebrews. Palestinians is part of the root word Philistines

                          I am saying that Palestinians are not the original owners of the Hebrew lands. They are an excuse to try and take it away

                          That attempt will result in Psalm 83 and they will be destroyed. The next attempt will be Ezekiel 38 & 39 and that will alos fail just as prophesied

                          Now is the time to Believe

                          1 Cor 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

                          2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

                          3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

                          4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

                    • jrf30

                      Funny. ” My uncle was a missionary in Nigeria for 22 years, and I know a heck of a lot more about Christianity ” So can I say that since my wife gave birth to our son that I know a lot about the pain of childbirth? Sorry, but it doesn’t rub off at family reunions. You may know a lot about Christianity. But IF you do, it is because of YOUR knowledge, not because your “uncle” was a missionary. LOL

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        You are stupid and a poor reader. I said I was raised in the faith.

                        I grew up. You didn’t… obviously.

            • Brett

              Jesus didnt say anything except in the creative minds of the bible writers!

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                Very nice.

        • Brett

          What ‘authority’? the bible is complete fiction. Only nutters like you still actually believe in all that BS!

      • Monte Noffsinger

        It is time to become believers upon ‘THE’ Jesus Christ of ‘THE’ scriptures before it is to late (1 Cor 15:1-4)

        If you are a believer now is the time to redouble your efforts to spread the gospel (1 Cor 15:1-4) and to make AFTER RAPTURE PACKETS https://youtu.be/ahEVxIzlxwo

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          So that’s why you’re sh!tting on us, you goofball.

          • Monte Noffsinger

            I give warning of what is about to come to all who deny Jesus and am asking my fellow believers to prepare for those that are left behind

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              You seem to me to be denying Jesus with your bloodthirsty longing for the End of Days. Do you believe the sick ZioNazis will become Christians and be saved?

              • Monte Noffsinger

                Just read the book of Revelation and understand it is talking about God killing 2/3 of this worlds population for denying Jesus

                I spread the good news that by becoming a believer in the here and now (1 Cor 15:1-4) this can be avoided

                Yes Jews will become saved as God will save the whole house of Israel. Jesus is a JEW

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  You are bloodthirsty and delusional, Q.E.D.

                  • Monte Noffsinger

                    The scriptures are very specific

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      Who cares?

                    • lafontaine

                      No, they’re not. I have heard this ‘revelations’ babble for over 60 years and every time has proven to be false. How ‘specific’ is that ?

                      • Monte Noffsinger

                        The prophecy that leads to the book of Revelation is this

                        The generation to see the rebirth of Israel / fig tree is the same generation that will see the 2nd advent of Jesus. That generation is now 67 years old and the resurrection / rapture takes place at least 7 years prior to that same 2nd advent

                        Those that are left behind will see the book of Revelation with their own eyes

                        Now is the time to believe (1 Cor 15:1-4)

      • Chaz Mack

        This Pope is long overdue.

      • Fran Richmond

        I AM A CATHOLIC CONSERVATIVE AND I HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING MY RELIGIOUS OR POLITICAL VIEWS. THIS POPE IS FAR TOO LEFT WING, AND I JUST WONDER WHAT HE REALLY DID TO THE REAL POPE???

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          He was an ex-Nazi who really hadn’t recanted.

          • Fran Richmond

            AND YOU, IDIOT, WERE THERE TO CONFIRM THIS????

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Judge them by their fruits.

              • Fran Richmond

                DO YOU HAPPEN TO BE GAY???

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  I’m certainly judging you by your fruits.

                  • Ms. G.

                    “Two fruits, one vegetable, and one flower!” Zorro The Gay Blade (1981). Sorry with all the fruity talk I couldn’t resist.

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      Jesus started it.

                    • Patricia C. Gilbert

                      Ms.G. – How crude of you.

                      • Ms. G.

                        How self-important of you.

                • Patricia C. Gilbert

                  Fran – Do you happen to be human? It would appear that you are neither human nor a Christian.

        • Chaz Mack

          The only thing that is permanent is change!! How’s the light in your cave?

        • Jake

          The political left and right, in practical/real-world politics, is a false dichotomy that that most religious institutions play a big part in perpetuating.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Fran – You are disrespecting the Holy Spirit….God sent Pope Francis to the world as it was apparent to God that the entire world was in great difficulty. Follow Pope Francis and live your life as a real Christian instead of a FAUX one. Pope Francis leads his life as Jesus did when he was on earth.

      • avenger 3

        I’m looking for the anti-Israel angle. This is the Muslim mintpress, right?

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Monte Noffsinger is your boyfriend.

      • Monte Noffsinger

        The pope is either the false prophet or the anti christ. He is setting up the one world religion before the worlds eyes. I am a non denominational fundamentalist Christian and what I have to say to that servant of satan is

        God Rebuke you satan

        • Chaz Mack

          With all the pedophilia and corruptness in Catholic church, one might think he is a welcome relief to that house of ill repute.

          • Monte Noffsinger

            I think Catholicism as a whole is about to have the shock of their lives at the resurrection / rapture. Those left behind are not the church

            They then will have to face the greatest deception known to man to date https://youtu.be/gZtmgetrUvw

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Ancient aliens/ Are these the people in white coats who keep visiting you?

              • Monte Noffsinger

                I am saying that fallen angels will come to this earth pretending to be aliens. That is the great deception

                When they arrive you just remember this conversation

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  Because you think that you are a fallen angel?

                  • Monte Noffsinger

                    I am no fallen angel. Just a sinner saved by grace. Try watching the video

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      “a sinner saved by grace” – a pity you claim you are.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Wow! We have three more goofballs like you visiting.

          Everyone be warned, this is going to be a madhouse.

          • Monte Noffsinger

            I am not of a mad house. I am a believer upon my resurrected God and in this their is pure order. No chaos at all.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              You don’t even know that you’re locked up.

          • bob

            But it will be fun! LMAO

            • Monte Noffsinger

              Laugh it up while you can. Your fun will turn to ash in your mouth as horror grips your soul at the resurrection / rapture

              Believe now before you are left behind to face the wrath of God (1 Cor 15:1-4 & John 3:36)

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                Jesus didn’t say that.

                • Monte Noffsinger

                  Um John 3:36 is JESUS speaking

                  1 Cor 15:1-4 is the way to avoid what is about to come as Jesus said in Rev 3:10

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    Only the deluded believe that.

                    • Monte Noffsinger

                      Then you will learn otherwise at the resurrection / rapture

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Really?

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Monte – God rebuke you satan. You are clearly not a Christian.

          • Monte Noffsinger

            I can spot a false teacher that represents satan and not God easily enough and that can only happen through the Spirit

      • Bill Bentley

        I’m not a Catholic, raised Protestant, but its hard not to really like this guy.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          Bill – I am happy that you like Pope Francis…I do too.

      • Pheardom

        The article headline is the problem, Pope Francis isn’t even talking about politics or political positions, but the words, conservative and fundamentalists are being interpreted as political positions.

        • bob

          Perhaps because of the actions of the conservative fundamentalists?

        • jdlech

          Because of the ideology war in America.

        • Monte Noffsinger

          He is talking about FUNDAMENTAL Christianity which is OPPOSED to the satanic ecumenical movement

      • Michael Nardacci

        His Holiness needs to keep out of politics just as politics needs to keep out of religion. Every time Pope Frankie opens his mouth he inserts his foot firmly into it. Hey Pope Frankie–name me ONE socialist country in the world where the majority of the people go to church and follow Biblical morality. Just ONE !!!@

        • bob

          Going to church and following the tenets of a 2000 year old relgion is not a measure of the success of a country.

      • candide

        This man is actually a Christian! Just like John XXIII. Not like many popes.

        • Monte Noffsinger

          He is no man of God as will be exposed by the resurrection / rapture

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            You know this how? Because you are a man of Satan?

            • Monte Noffsinger

              By Acts 17:11

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                Jesus didn’t say that.

          • candide

            You are what I call a Country & Western Christian idiot.

            • Monte Noffsinger

              I read and take literally the scriptures and if that offends you then so be it. That wont stop me from telling the truth of scriptures and exposing the wolves in sheep’s clothing

              • candide

                God didn’t write the Scriptures, a number of obscure Jews did.

        • Fran Richmond

          HE IS A CHRISTIAN ONLY WHEN IT SUITS HIS FAR LEFT AGENDA!!!

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            Using all caps is a sign of insanity.

          • candide

            You are a Catholic Fascist.

      • bob

        A breath of fresh air, reason, compassion in an institution that sorely needs it. Good for him!

      • sgsimpson

        exactly – why does a country that is founded on a Republic of The people – For The People – By the People – – give a rats azz what the chatho church says??? from the pope to the slave nuns !!! our constitution says – WE THE PEOPLE!!!!

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          You have a point, but a Catholic Church led be a genuine Christian would be better for us all than one led by an ex-Nazi like Ratzinger.

          • Monte Noffsinger

            Catholicism is a cult and will be left behind at the resurrection / rapture

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              You are a goofball and will be left behind.

              • Monte Noffsinger

                I am no goofball

                I am a fundamentalist Christian that believes the scriptures mean what they say and they have given prophecy that we are seeing literally leaping off the pages of scriptures in these last days

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  You have just confirmed that you are goofball who is already left behind.

                  • Monte Noffsinger

                    The resurrection / rapture is imminent

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      You are a goofball sans brain.

      • toughhombre

        I’ve said it before, Pope Francis is no St. Pope John Paul II. John Paul was a conservative on all Catholic doctrine. Money matters aside, John Paul was a supreme traditionalist and held true to all Catholic traditions, beliefs and teachings, something Francis lacks. He is a former Jesuit and part of that radical Catholic movement that began in Brazil, liberation theology. I wish Pope Francis well as far as his health but I hope his reign is
        short because his many statements are confusing and erroneous in interpretation to lukewarm Catholics.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Church tradition counts more to you than any following of the revolutionary teachings of Christ.

          • toughhombre

            Recheck scripture and read what Christ taught about divorce and homosexual activity. That is more than just tradition.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              I am fully aware that it was reported that Christ also taught nonsense that bigots seize upon today.

              • toughhombre

                I resent your assertion that people who follow Christ’s teachings on those subjects are bigots. Your comment exposes you as an ignorant fallen away Catholic or an agnostic.

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  It exposes nothing of the sort. Your last comment confirms that you are a self-righteous bigot.

        • Patricia C. Gilbert

          tough – Pope Francis lives his life as Jesus did so I’m thinking that you would object to Jesus as well. Try to live your life in a more Christ like way as Pope Francis does. You may be able to become a better person.

      • Kim Wing

        Does anyone know what the heck is he talking about? Throw out the ten commandments? or Add new gay ones? Or get a new sign that says Epsicopal Catholics! I do not get him and many dead people are spinning around in their graves right now

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        Lord, I hope he has a good bodyguard. All the reactionaries must be jumping up and down with urge to kill him.

        • Michael Nardacci

          By “reactionaries” I presume you mean people who go to church regularly, follow Christian morality, and empty their wallets into the collection basket? just wait until they have had enough of Pope Frankie and his brain-dead pronouncements and he finds himself having to go to work part-time at McDonald’s when the money stops coming in.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            By reactionaries I mean stupid, primitive clucks like you. Thanks for showing up, you utter fake of a Christian.

            • Fran Richmond

              LET HE WHO IS WITHOU SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE, IDIOT!!!!

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                They tell me your nickname is, “Rocky”.

          • Patricia C. Gilbert

            Michael – By “reactionaries”, I think that he meant people like you who do not have the slightest idea what Christianity is about or how to live a Christian life.