New Evidence Proves Israel Attacked USS Liberty With Orders To Kill 294 Americans

Fresh evidence presented in an exclusive Al Jazeera investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans proves the incident was not a mistake
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    Rescue efforts the day after the USS liberty was attacked by Israeli forces.

    (TheAntiMedia) Fresh evidence presented in an exclusive Al Jazeera investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans proves the incident was not a mistake. Since 1967 the ‘official story‘ has been that Israel simply misidentified the American ship as Egyptian for several hours. Israel apologized to the United States and for several decades we’ve been led to believe that this could be the only explanation for why Israeli jets and torpedo boats would launch rockets, missiles and torpedoes at an American target for more than two hours.

    thedayA new documentary called ‘The Day Israel Attacked America” airing on Al Jazeera was produced and directed by award winning British film maker Richard Belfield. Thanks to the audio evidence obtained by Belfield, it is finally possible to prove the survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty were right all along. The survivors have always been extremely confident that Israel’s intentions were to sink that ship and kill everyone on board so Egypt could be blamed for the tragedy. Why? To convince President Lyndon Johnson (and the American public) that we needed to declare war on Egypt. This is the definition of a ‘false flag‘. (can you say 9/11?)

    It appears that once again, a conspiracy theory has turned out to be conspiracy fact. You can finally take off your tinfoil hats!


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    Earlier this year, I acquired a copy of the audiotape of the attack as it had unfolded, the real time conversations between Israeli Air Force pilots and their controllers back at base. It had never been broadcast before. I went to talk to Al Jazeera and after careful consideration, the network commissioned the film.” – Richard Belfield

    Just sixteen minutes after Israel attacked America, the USS Liberty was confirmed by Israeli forces to be an American ship. These conversations can be heard in the documentary Al Jazeera has been airing on their station.

    “To what state does she belong?” (Answer): “American”

    Yet the attacks continued for an hour and a half!

    Even five minutes before the first bombing you can hear Israeli Air Force pilots question whether the ship was American or not. You don’t have to be a genius to understand why these pilots would be extremely uncomfortable attacking a ship suspected to be American without being given direct orders to do so. I believe we can safely assume this attack wouldn’t have been carried out otherwise.

    rsz_deathamerica“Is it an American ship?” “What do you mean American?” “No comment.”

    Twenty minutes after a ground controller answered “American” when asked “to what state does she belong?” by Israeli Air Force pilots, the first torpedo hit the USS Liberty. A voice can clearly be heard which confirms that this target, thought to be American at that time, was to be destroyed.

    “The torpedo is talking care of the ship now.”

    As soon as the first torpedo hit the USS Liberty, Israeli torpedo boats circled the ship and started machine-gunning the American target for another 40 minutes. When the USS Liberty crew lowered their lifeboats into the water to evacuate their ship, the Israelis moved closer so they could gun down the Americans attempting to save their own lives.

    More than ten years ago a journalist named Arieh O’Sullivan from the Jerusalem Post was allowed to listen to these same audiotapes. He published a transcript of the Israeli military transmissions he heard directing the attack on the USS Liberty. Sixteen minutes after the attack started, just as in the recording obtained by Al Jazeera, O’Sullivan’s transcript (translated from Hebrew to English) shows the same exchange.

    “Kislev, what country?” (Answer): “Apparently American.”

    That is where O’Sullivan’s transcript, published over ten years ago by the Jerusalem Post, ends. There is just one major problem with that… The attack continued for another hour and a half!

    Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer, who has served this country as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chief of Naval Operations, once lead an independent commission to investigate what really happened to the USS Liberty. The commission’s findings were made public in 2003. Here are a few of the shocking conclusions.

    • The attack, by a U.S. ally, was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew.
    • The attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts .
    • The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the USS Liberty. This was the first time in naval history a rescue mission had been cancelled while an American ship was under attack.
    • Surviving crew members were later threatened with court-martial, imprisonment, or worse if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government.”


    John Crewdson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, published in 2007 what former CIA analyst Ray McGovern has called the ‘most detailed and accurate account of the Israeli attack‘ for the Chicago Tribune and Baltimore Sun. You guessed it, Crewdson was fired by the Chicago Tribune just a year later after working there for 24 years. You should read his work.

    “Israeli messages intercepted on June 8, 1967, leave no doubt that sinking the USS Liberty was the mission assigned to the attacking Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats as the Six-Day War raged in the Middle East. Let me repeat: there is no doubt – none – that the mission of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) was to destroy the USS Liberty and kill its entire crew.” – former CIA analyst Ray McGovern.

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      • Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld

        I want to thank both tbenton62 and robert affinity for their valuable comments, which I am saving to add to my Israel Projects folder on the Israeli/Arab Conflict. If I quote these gentlemen in anything I write, I shall be sure to cite my sources.

      • tbenton62

        This is too funny, the author has no clue what he is talking about, you can access the audio tapes, they have the english translations on them. The Pilots in the whole time thought it was a Egyptian vessel, you have them being told to look for survivors, the people in the helicopters told to grab the first person, to question them so they could figure out where they were from, they were telling them if they spoke in this language then they were Egyptian, or if in another they could be from another Arab land, one of the many nations that were at war with Israel in 1973.
        And I am not sure did the interpretation, I know Hebrew, they never said once in the audio that they knew it was an American ship, this was not even part of the equation, they thought it was either Egyptian or another Arab nations ship.
        You have the recordings themselves and the English translations right from NSA, and this author brings this garbage, another case of fake news.
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/recordings.shtml
        Here is the list of the intercepted audio of the pilots, here is the english translations.
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/assets/files/recordings/audio-trans-130.pdf
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/assets/files/recordings/audio-trans-105.pdf
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/assets/files/recordings/audio-trans-104.pdf

        And if you can understand Hebrew, here is the audio.
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/assets/files/recordings/audio-104.mp3
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/assets/files/recordings/audio-105.mp3
        https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/assets/files/recordings/audio-130.mp3

        Amazing, the NSA says one thing, they have the actual audio and the English translations, yet the author ignores this, goes to Al Jazeera, the place that has ran that Israel is using Goats, Eagles and even purposes to spy on Arab countries, makes up lies on a daily bases and this is where he goes. Shows the idiocy of this.

        Also, if you want to find what happened, do you go to the people who wrote the books that were in the engineering paces or do you go to the findings by the US Senate, the US House, the US Navy, the Joint Chief of Staffs office, the NSA, the CIA, or the independent white house counsel that investigated this after interviewing the captain, the men on the bridge and in the CIC? Guess with sites like this we see that this is ignored, they refuse to take the testimony into account of the people who were in the middle of it, instead go with what people in engineering who would not have been privy to this information, right? As I said a typical hack piece.
        Oh, and unlike the idiot that wrote this, I have no problem with giving references to the actual findings.

        US Naval board of inquiry
        http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/CourtOfInquiry.pdf

        Joint Chief of Staff’s Report
        http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/JCSreport.pdf

        CIA Intelligence MemorandumsCIA Intelligence Memorandums
        http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/CIAreports.pdf

        NSA (this will give you a link the hundreds of pages of pictures, audio, and the findings
        https://www.nsa.gov/search/?q=USS+Liberty

        White House special investigation.
        http://www.thelibertyincident.com/clifford.html

        US Senate investigation
        http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/SenateInvestigation.pdf

        US House Inivestigation
        http://thelibertyincident.com/docs/HouseInvestigation1971.pdf

        Unreal, taught history for years, this is how you do your research, you find the actual documents, not some second hand story, then act like they are giving you the truth. Come on people, start using the brain you were given.

        • Raman Basha

          How much are you being paid to obfuscate and lie?

          • tbenton62

            Then show the lie, funny, I have no problem showing where I am getting my facts from, the author you mention wrote this book before the records were released, or did you conveniently forget that. So I must ask, if the records were not released when he wrote the article, how exactly did he get the data, he has no security clearance, and being in the military, you need to have right to access, something he did not have.
            AS I said, you ignore the official record because the findings are not convenient to your predetermined judgement.

            • Raman Basha

              Show the lie? It is everywhere. You are merely regurgitating the official version of the events in question taking everything at face value

              • tbenton62

                So let me see if I understand this, if I give the official version that is a lie, but if you give one that contradicts the official version, can not bring a shred of evidence to back up their claims is more reliable?
                You are unbelievably stupid, never heard something so ridiculous in my life, in other words any historical data you do not like you have a right to rewrite it if it does not fit your narrative. If other Arabs feel as you do, no wonder why that part of the world is a cesspool, no discoveries, no top colleges, they are more i intent on destruction then creation.

            • Raman Basha

              False testimony to Congress on NSA surveillance programs[edit]
              File:Ron Wyden and James Clapper – 12 March 2013.webm
              Excerpt of James Clapper’s testimony before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
              On March 12, 2013, during a United States Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Senator Ron Wyden quoted the keynote speech at the 2012 DEF CON by the director of the NSA, Keith B. Alexander. Alexander had stated that “Our job is foreign intelligence” and that “Those who would want to weave the story that we have millions or hundreds of millions of dossiers on people, is absolutely false…From my perspective, this is absolute nonsense.” Senator Wyden then asked Clapper, “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” He responded “No, sir.” Wyden asked “It does not?” and Clapper said “Not wittingly. There are cases where they could inadvertently, perhaps, collect, but not wittingly.”[31]

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_R._Clapper

              • tbenton62

                And how does this fit in the 1967 NSA findings in what happened with the USS Liberty. You are speaking about today, they have the ability to use computers to do a lot of work, something they sure did not have in 1967. Unreal, love how you take what happened 50 years ago and act like today’s tech applies to that. Once more you have proven nothing.
                And I have to ask, did you actually read what you quoted? Unbelievable, he even said they do not try to deceive but what they collect, that may. So let me guess, you are going to say that the Israeli’s, who had no clue all communications were being recorded were staging this?
                This is just stupid.

                • Raman Basha

                  Thanks for your reply. I would prefer to be civil in this discourse and count on your compliance. Whether we are talking about today, 2000 years ago or 1967 one fact remains. Governments lie to their people and the World when it suits them. I showed an instance where the outgoing head of an Intelligence Agency recently lied under oath to Congress. This was in reference as to whether the Government is spying on the American Public Nothing has changed. We are under surveillance as a society and it has little or nothing to do with ‘Terrorism.’ Historically governments ‘surveil’ their respective populations for one main reason: suppression. Now if you had the power to commit a crime with impunity and an investigation was initiated would you implicate yourself willingly? Or would you lie and state false testimony? Think about it? You say you are a historian and have closely studied the transcripts and declassified data. That’s fine. Did you also study the omitted evidence? Do you really believe that what you studied was the entire body of information. That nothing was deleted for fear of implicating individuals and entire governments? If you do that’s when I say you are being naive and two dimensional. There is a preponderance of evidence to show that the attack on the USS Liberty was deliberate, that our ‘ally’ in the Middle East murdered 34 American Servicemen and wounded some 172 others and that the President of the US, Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara committed acts of treason by ordering a cover up. Many Americans resent the fact that our ally has been allowed this transgression with no repercussions. No amount of media spin nor what you are attempting can hide the horrific events of that day in 1967.

                  • tbenton62

                    So once more you claim cover up, but where is the proof other then some dime novel? You claim the audio tapes were doctored, the captain and all the officers were threatened with court martial, but I have to say, this is 50 years later, why is it not one officer, not the captain nor the first officer has come forward when such a threat today would have no merit? You are great on conspiracy theories, not so great on facts, as I have said prior I am done.

                    • Raman Basha

                      What you are saying in so many words is that you have met your match and admit defeat. Did you really think I would roll over and play dead?

            • Raman Basha

              I have showed numerous lies. Please be a gentleman and admit defeat. Suggestion. Go back to your Zionist Handlers and ask for a more effective program. The American public is not as stupid as you think. You come off as a troll under Zionist Mind Control.

              • tbenton62

                You have shown nothing, you give opinions without being able to back them up with facts, that is not disproving, that is lying.

                • Raman Basha

                  Weak response. It is easy to predict your moves well in advance. With your limited repertoire and two dimensional approach you are doing discredit to your cause.

          • robert affinity

            So, if someone has points of view and even evidence that disagrees with your point of view, they must be “lying” and they must be “paid” to do it?

            • Raman Basha

              Not at all. In this instance the individual has an Agenda and is acting in a troll like manner. he certainly doesn’t let the facts get in his way. He claims he is a historian and he has studied all of the official documets from the government agencies. That might be well and fine. When I asked if the Goverment would ever omit implicating evidence or lie to the citizens he has no answer.

              • tbenton62

                Yes, if the official records disagree with what he says, the are Zionist facts, the fool would rather listen to a dime novel then the findings after all the data was gathered in a official inquiry. Goes to show you can not fix stupid.

              • robert affinity

                So far, no one can even provide compelling motive for either Israel to attack the ship on purpose nor for the US govt to cover it up.

                • Raman Basha

                  This statement is simply untrue. There is a preponderance of evidence by credible sources from Admiral Moorer to the Captain of the USS Liberty to distinguished journalist Robert Fiske and former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern that point to the Israeli deliberate and murderous attack and the US Government cover up.

                  • robert affinity

                    That is your opinion. The general consensus and that of those who have reviewed the evidence is quite different. http://www.thelibertyincident.com/book.html#comments

                    There is no motive.

                    You still have not even tried to present any, just repeated claim that there is “credible evidence” that it was on purpose.

                    • Raman Basha

                      I appreciate your civility and calm tone unlike the troll. So let the readers decide for themselves. Neither yourself nor the troll could convince me that it was a mistake. Nor would I be able to convince you that the attack was deliberate. So we are done. I bid you a good night sir.

                      • robert affinity

                        Peace.

      • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

        I came across this 2 yr old article by complete accident but I am well aware of the case. Why is it Al Ja zeera is more honest and accurate in reporting on this than our own government. To those of you who deny this and think Israeli is telling the truth, talk to a Liberty survivor

        • tbenton62

          No, the site was put out prior to the release of the data by the government, they could get buy with this, but as I have shown there is a whole bunch of lies. First, the Israeli’s did not know it was a American ship, there were no flags flying, this is shown in the post interviews by the pilots, further you can here the radio intercepts the Pilots were saying there were no flags, they could not tell who’s ship it was, that is why they told the helicopter crews to grab the first survivor, find out what language he spoke.
          Go to my posts, I have the actual findings from the NSA posted there, funny how the site you give does not, nor can give one link to to this.

          • Raman Basha

            Your copy cut and paste technique is a thinly veiled agenda that is readily transparent. Your Zionist Overlords have paid you well?

            • tbenton62

              Ah, in other words you can not argue over the actual links, and if I did not then you would accuse of me not showing where I get my information from.. You are a coward and a idiot.

        • robert affinity

          They aren’t. Their coverage is quite biased and distorted.

      • robert affinity

        Al Jazeera, right… Every US govt investigation agrees it was an accident caused by multiple Israeli AND USA errors.

        It doesn’t bode well for their truthfulness that they claim that as they dropped lifeboats into the water, IDF ships swung in close to kill them.

        You can read the actual testimony of the Captain of the USS Liberty online. At the time, he said that the Israeli torpedo boats were approaching without firing and instead were signaling for the ship to identify itself.

        He took this to suggest that the IDF did not know it was a US ship. He ordered his men to hold their fire. He said they could not respond to the request to identify themselves because their coms were damaged in the first attack and their signal lamp was also broken.

        The Captain reported that in spite of his order, as the ships approached, still not firing, one of his men opened fire with a deck mounted machine gun. When this man opened fire, his OTHER men also opened fire from deck mounted machine guns and raked the incoming boats with heavy caliber bullets.

        THEN and only then did the incoming boats fire back. The lifeboats were in between the deck mounted machine gunners and the incoming torpedo boats. NO evidence they were trying to kill anyone as they evacuated on lifeboats, just shooting back.

        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

          The Liberty had already been fired upon by Israel from the air. When the Liberty saw the sub approaching they fired at the sub.
          http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/attack-uss-liberty-failed-false-flag-israel-united-states.html
          http://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html

          • tbenton62

            Sub? Now that is too funny, there was no sub involved, the USS Liberty was a spy ship, it had no anti sub capabilities, typical, you have no clue what you are talking about.
            And the reason Johnson was so angry was the ship ignored hails from Israel on all channels to stay out, they sailed out of international waters and into Israeli waters themselves, the same area that the Egyptians had attacked just days prior.
            If you look at the coordinates of the attack, the USS Liberty was not in international waters, it was inside of a war zone
            http://latitude.to/articles-by-country/general/791/uss-liberty-incident

            Please give proof of the sub

            Now we will hear crickets.

            • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

              Talk to a surviver of the attack from either side, the Liberty or one of the attacking Israelis. You might just learn something. As for me, read above and take into consideration that an elderly woman might make a mistake, but always owns up to it when she does. Your insults get you nowhere sir. Not even a response other than this even though I could blow your comments out of the water so to speak.

              • tbenton62

                I am calling into question your account of a sub, there is no sub mentioned in any record, and there are are plenty of them, the US Senate Findings, the US house special investigation, the US presidential special investigation, the Naval board of inquiry, the Joint Chief of Staff report along with the CIA and NSA reports, not one of them anyplace mention a sub, so yes, I call attention to your claim of a nonexistent sub.
                And you can not blow anything out of the water, that is why you have not.

                • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                  I really hate needing to repeat myself but …
                  Do you have a comprehension problem or did you not read my reply to you suggesting you read what I wrote to another? Please back up and read my reply to robert affinity before attempting to throw more of your insults toward me. Good bye

                  • tbenton62

                    Yes, and even your reply back was false, there was no firing on the ship from the torpedo boats until they opened fire on them. Suggest you read the actual findings, not some dime novel.

                    • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                      The findings are what the brass wanted. If you are really interested in the truth, speak to a few of the sailors who where on the ship. You can also locate some of the Israelis involved that are willing to speak openly

                      • tbenton62

                        Of course, ignore the captain, the first officer, all the officers on the bridge and in CIC, right? And I have spoken to Israeli’s involved in this, they all say the same exact thing, there was no identification, they did not know who’s ship it was, that is why in the Audio tapes they have the Israeli authorities talking to the men in the torpedo boats to pick up survivors and get back to them so they would know where the ship came from, the people in the USS liberty fired on them before they could.
                        You are a moron.

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          So you stoop to insults again? A real sign of intelligence.

                          This conversation is ridiculous since you are unwilling or unable to believe anything other then official reports. You’ve never served our country or any other have you? Obviously not since you are unaware of how and why official reports do not always reflect the truth. It’s rare but it does happen. If not for that, why has the attack on the Liberty been downplayed, almost to the point that it never happened. I know men who were officers at that time who never heard of the “incident.” How do you get through life being so close minded? Do yourself a favor and try to do some actual research instead of simply relying on the official report. Check your source again, not all the officers on the Liberty that day signed off on the same story. There are times when the official version is written by officers charged to write a slightly different version than the truth. In this case to cover our country’s complicity and guilt of our ally. I’ll even make that easy for you, start with the USS Liberty Veterans report:

                          http://www.usslibertyveterans.org/files/War%20Crimes%20Report.pdf

                          After reading that one get your nose out of all the reports and your books, track down some of the sailors who were actually there and hear their version of events as they happened. When you do learn the truth from survivors, suck it up buttercup and admit you are wrong. But then that would be a waste of your time just as writing this is a waste of my time. When someone is so closed minded they are beyond ever learning.

                        • tbenton62

                          Once more, you ignore the findings of the navy, the testimony of the Captain, the officers, ignore the NSA intercepts, instead what you go off of are crew members in engineering who would have had no idea what is going on.
                          What’s next, are you going to argue the world is flat? Shows about the same intelligence.
                          And yes, insults, when you act like a idiot, ignore the official findings because they do not suit you, you are a moron, in other words you are not interested in facts if they do not support your ill informed assignment of guilt.
                          What is worse, this document you gave is bullshit, I was in the military, so a secretary of Army is going to work with the navy challenging war crimes? Seriously, so where is the navy? Where are the official documents? Wait, that would be outside of the Army’s jurisdiction This was made up by someone on the internet, second, these files were classified until 5 years ago, so how exactly did they get hold of them, most likely this was made up in the last 3 years.
                          And the conclusions came to in the article do not match with the evidence, Israel did not know who the ship belonged to, that is why the NSA radio intercepts show Israeli command to interrogate the survivors, gave them instructions so they would know by what language they spoke in, it would give a direction of which Arab country the ship was from. Any why? Just like the radio intercepts show, the ship was not flying a flag.

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          Since you seem to be incapable or simply unwilling to do independent research, try watching a video of someone on that lead investigation. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
                          It’s an independent BBC investigation including interviews from men on the ship including officers, plus at least one of the Israel pilots, those in the Israel war room, an ambassador and a CIA investigator. Watch and weep as those who lost sons and husbands have weeped. Although I’m sure you will attempt to discredit the men.

                          So just go away troll.

                        • Raman Basha

                          Thanks for doing the heavy lifting. The roll and his ilk are losing the Information War. Rank amateurs.

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          You’re welcome 🙂 I really do wish I could convince people like that to search beyond official records. But I do feel defeated when their minds are blocked and their pockets deep. Two of my sons are in the military, officers and near retirement age. They both told me about the Liberty and suggested the same to me a few decades ago, independent research. Coverups like the Liberty are deep and the only truth comes from the sailors on that ship.

                        • Raman Basha

                          I suggested that the troll Google Cognitive Dissonance. It could not any more clear. I have studied this incident for well over 45 years. It has been proven beyond a doubt that the attack was deliberate. THat there was a cover up by the US and Israel. It seems the USS Liberty had collected two dirty secrets that Israel didn’t want leaked to the West. One: With the help of US Satellite Imagery and Israeli eavesdropping, it was clear that Nasser had told Assad of Syria that he did not have the military capacity to defeat Israel. He was merely amassing troops along the border as a exercise, nothing more. When this communication was intercepted by Israeli intelligence the Israeli Defense Minister ordered a War of Aggression against Egypt and Syria. Then Israel would lie to the World and say the IDF was only countering Arab Aggression. Second: according to the Geneva Convention Arab & Israeli prisoners wee to be treated humanely. Israeli ignored this protocol, forcing approximately 1000 Arab soldiers to dig their respective graves. The Israeli troops then machine gunned the POWs turning the desert sand blood red with Arab blood. The USS Liberty had captured Israel’s dirty secret and as such the top Israeli leadership ordered a deliberate and murderous attack on a US Naval Vessel. Nice ally in the Middle East.

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          I knew the attack on the Liberty was due to the spy ship intercepting info Israel did not want known. But until now I hadn’t known what that info was, thank you for sharing. Adding this info about the Arab POW’s brings me to tears although my mind isn’t shocked by Israelis actions.

                        • Raman Basha

                          June 8, 1967 was a clear summer day in the Mediterranean. The minarets of El Arish were clearly visible to the naked eye as the USS Liberty, a US Spy ship monitored both sides of the 1967 Arab Israeli War from her position in International Waters. An Israeli Reconnaissance plane with the Star of Davis flew over the Liberty. Sailors on the deck who were sunning themselves waved to the Israeli pilots who returned the friendly gesture. The letters USS Liberty were approximately 17 feet high. The Liberty was lightly armed fore and aft. A short time later a pair of Mystere and Mirage French made Israeli Jets carrying the Star of David appeared on the horizon and immediately began strafing the deck of the Liberty with canons rockets and napalm. The deliberate murderous attack had begun. The communications system was immediately targeted. The Captain ordered a back up communications system to be put in place which sent a SOS to the Sixth Fleet which was stationed in Crete. Two Navy F-14s were sent to rescue the Liberty which at this time had been directly hit by Israeli Torpedo boats. Israeli Commandos in Zodiac like boats then approached the Liberty with orders to kill all remaining crew members, scuttle the ship and send ship, sailors and incriminating documents to a watery grave deep beneath the surface. The F-14 pilots were given orders to destroy the bases from which the attacks emanated in Israel. One port and and airbase. While en route the President of the US was notified of the retaliatory mission of the F-14s. What was his response? He ordered the Navy Jets to stand down and return to their bases. His basic words, “We cannot afford to embarrass our ally in the Middle East at his delicate political time.” President Johnson committed an act of treason by and ordered Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara to cover up the attack. The Israeli Commondos were ordered by the Israeli Leadership to stand down. Final analysis 34 American Sailors murdered in cold blood, 174 wounded. The lying by the Israeli Apologists continues to this day which discredits the American precious lives that were needlessly taken that summer day in 1967.

                        • Raman Basha

                          Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested.

                          Later, a dual-citizen Israeli major told survivors that he was in an Israeli war room where he heard that pilot’s radio report. The attacking pilots and everyone in the Israeli war room knew that they were attacking an American ship, the major said. He recanted the statement only after he received threatening phone calls from Israel.

                          The pilot’s protests also were heard by radio monitors in the U.S. Embassy in Lebanon. Then-U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon Dwight Porter has confirmed this. Porter told his story to syndicated columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak and offered to submit to further questioning by authorities. Unfortunately, no one in the U.S. government has any interest in hearing these first-person accounts of Israeli treachery. [Washington Report]
                          http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          My last point is to say you might have served in the military (which I doubt) but you certainly do not understand political appointments in the USA. At the time the afore mentioned report was submitted, the Secretary of the Army was acting as the Executive Agent for the Defense. The position is usually filled by individuals from any of our 4 branches of the military. Case in point, our current secretary of Defense is a Marine. I suggest you go back to school, major in US Military History with a minor in Political history before making any more comments.

                        • tbenton62

                          No he would not have, also, how did he access data that was classified without a need to know? Add to this the fact that since it was classified, how was this able to be released at the time into the public realm.
                          AS I said, you have no clue what you are talking about, this is fake, it was made up later using data that was release well after this was supposed to have been written.
                          And if you wish to talk about schooling and history, would love to do that, have a PhD out of the University of Wisconsin in Historical studies, specializing in Middle Eastern Studies, then went on and taught in the universities for years.
                          Oh by the way, while I was finishing up my schooling I was in the military, had it pay for the majority of my schooling. But then I never served, have no clue what I am speaking about, right?
                          You are a moron.

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          Ok, your insults toward me and others here, your knowledge and claim to education is beyond absurd. I should have known what I am communicating with, it’s impossible to get the closed mind of a troll. So I’ll actually stoop to your level, you are a lying idiot incapable of civil discourse and a true understanding of how anything in this world actually works

                        • tbenton62

                          Of course, you are upset that I will not take your conspiracy sites over what is the official record. Then you post a brief you say was posted before the classified data was unclassified, which would either be a criminal offense or is a fraud, I will go with the fraud.
                          This is the usual nonsense, you have idiots that do not want to deal with the facts due to they do not agree with what you want to believe.
                          The problem with idiots like you is you explain away audio, claim they are doctored, one can pull the actual testimony from the Naval inquiry, see that is not true, the reality is the testimony shows a colossal screw up from both American and Israeli sides, you try to claim cover up when these facts do not support your applied guilt. The facts are the recordings show that the Israeli’s did not know it was a American ship until they were notified, until this time they had gone forward with the assumption that it was a Arab manned ship, that was backed up by the testimony plus the captured audio of the communications.
                          Of course idiots do not scream about Britain accidentally destroying multiple tanks, shooting down a fighter, destroying more then one troop carrier, that is just fine, they are British, but because you are a antisemitic idiot you apply a different standard to Israel.

                        • Raman Basha

                          I applaud your efforts. certainly you realize you are dealing with a amateur troll who no doubt has been paid to lie for his Zionist Overlords.

                        • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                          Thank you. Yes, I shouldn’t have wasted my time with someone like him/her.

              • Raman Basha

                I love it. Spot on!

          • robert affinity

            Um. There was no sub.
            Here. http://www.libertyincident.com/book.html

            • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

              You are correct, my mistake. I was referring to the Israeli torpedo boats which attacked the Liberty after the Israeli aircraft. My one son is a submariner, 15 years now. It’s been engrained into me to automatically think sub when I hear or read “boat” within naval terms. Sorry for the error.

              • robert affinity

                With due respect, I invite you read the testimony of the ship’s captain. You can get a pdf of his official testimony (along with many other original documents) at the link I provided.

                His testimony differs considerably from the info in the two links you provided.

                The Torpedo ships came in without firing and were signaling for the ship to identify itself.
                This led the Capt to suspect they did not know it was a USA ship.
                He could not signal back b/c his coms and his signal lamp were both broken.
                He ordered his men to hold their fire.
                As the boats came closer, still without firing, on of the Liberty crew opened fire with deck mounted 50 caliber machine guns. Hearing the shots, his OTHER men opened fire with their deck mounted guns and according to the USA Capt, raked the incoming boats with high caliber fire.

                Then and only then did the torpedo fire back.
                And the lifeboats were in the water in between the deck mounted machine guns and the torpedo boats.

                So, yes, they did end up hitting life boats as they fired back at the gunners behind the lifeboats.

                This is a very different description of events than the one found in either of the two links you shared.

                Peace.

      • Mikeyoung6

        Are we supposed to believe Al Jazeera on this?

      • Kevin O’Connor

        Put pressure on Our elected politicians No military aid to Israel

      • Rich39

        Why do people say Israel is a American ally? I always thought allies helped one another in times of war and distress.
        The US has helped Israel over the years, but Israel has never lifted a finger to help the USA. Israel has been Americas welfare nation since 1948.

        • alex connery

          Well, you’re WRONG ! Israel has helped us immensely most of it covert though but still they have always been a big help,,,except of course in this instance but we have to remember this was back in 67 before our alliance with them was firmly cemented. And of course they WERE actually trying to trick us into war with Egypt their enemy.

          • Raman Basha

            Of course Israel has helped us. They deliberately killed 34 US Serviceman and wounded approximately 174. Wonderful friend.

      • Joanie Kahl

        when with military experts I am amazed at their capacity to describe the gunnery power the technical powers of the vessels we see or go thru historically or that they served on and describe their weaknesses as well as the opposite forces strengths and weaknesses……..anybody not believe they knew their jobs?…..I believe they all knew the weapons on the ship….none it was non gun boat…..the defense capabilities of the ship….few…..and so did the Israeli pilots as they looked at the ship..they knew………too. They all know their jobs.

        • robert affinity

          Under certain circumstances you may be right. But, those were not normal circumstances.

          1. For one thing, it was the fog of war. War is very very messy. One summer, the number one cause of US military deaths in Afganistan was US soldiers accidentally shooting and killing other US soldiers.

          If you google “friendly fire,” it happens very frequently. The USA has accidentally blown up an Iranian civilian airliner, Italian civilians, British helicopters full of UK servicemen and women, and napalmed our own troops. For quite some time, the USA was the main source of attacks on UK military in Iraq. We kept shooting at them by accident, mistaking them for enemy.

          2. Israel was engaged in a multi-front war from multiple neighboring states.

          Some infantry reported being hit from somewhere. They were no sure from where and they said they thought it might have been from a ship.

          A plane on a bombing mission for ground targets was re-tasked to abort and check it out. They saw a ship. The ship was about the same size and traveling in the same direction and speed as an Egyptian warship that they had identified many hours earlier.

          Even though the bombs they were carrying were not meant for a metal ship and wouldn’t do too much damage to a metal ship, they dropped a few bombs to slow it down and requested torpedo boats to go in.

          3. The US govt investigations also found many many mistakes made by both parties. Among them:

          Israeli military shift changes meant that the people who had seen the Liberty earlier were off shift.

          The USA also send orders for the Liberty to leave the area b/c of the fog of war and ordered them to move at least 100 miles away.

          The Liberty never got around to decoding that message even though it was marked urgent and they never got it.

          But, the US govt thought they had it and told the Israelis we have no ships in that area. So, if they see a ship, they can safely assume it is one of the enemy ships.

          • Geo Mlr

            What’s so friendly about friendly fire?

            • robert affinity

              I will assume your question is real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_fire

              Sadly, it happens all the time.

              Google: friendly fire USA attacking coalition forces

              and you can find too many tragedies.

              Peace.

      • Robert Edwards

        First of all, Al Jazerra is certainly connected with the Arab/Muslim world which has had a hatred for Israel ever since the Muslim religion was founded. Secondly, it would be foolish to think that Israel could make it look like Egyptians had attacked the USS Liberty. The Egyptians own Air Force had already been destroyed, they had no Navy vessels even remotely close enough to the Liberty to do it any damage. Thirdly, the U.S. Navy was making reconnaisance missions into that area every day and Israel would have known they could not have made the attack to look like Egypt had anything to do with. Forthly, there were also two America submarines in that general vicinity and there location and ability could not be predetermined for such a stupid accusation. We also know that the main objective next to seizing the Temple Mount and west Jerusalem was the Golani Heights. In 1956, when France, England and Israel joined forces against Egypt and pushed west of the Suez Canal it was the U.S. who went to the U.N. and demanded that they immediately withdraw–and they did. Israel could not take the chance that if America learned of the planned assault into Syria to capture the Golani Heights that the U.S. might go to the U.N. once again to demand that they not invade Syria. Destroying the Liberty or at least putting it out of action would stop that possibility. The attack on Golan and the movement of troops from the Sinai through Israel all took place after the Liberty was attacked and Syria and the other Arab nations did not have time to resupply the Golan Heights with troops and weapons to stop Israel. The importance of the Golani to the Israelis is made clear that Israel still holds that superior height and have no plans to give it back to Syria. Make the attack on the Liberty to look like it was done by Egypt—preposterous and stupid. As for why the American planes were recalled it was because the Soviet Union warned America via the Hotline that they would be considered an adversary force and fired upon…The Soviets had joint agreements with Egypt and we would not have gone to war against Egypt for any reason–it would have led to a nuclear war.

        • Karmnu

          You are alone in this one!! AlJazeera has close relations with the US!! So does the BBC! Have you seen the BBC documentary???? Got to be effen stupid to mistake that ship!

          • Robert Edwards

            You take the word of news media and I was involved in the action while stationed in Turkey. I know what I know from first hand experience and military assignments. I have seen everything that is related to the USS Liberty. I had seven close friends who were killed on board the Liberty and have many living friends who have all kinds of connections to the Liberty. There was not once chance in a million that anyone, not even Egypt alone who could make the attack on the Liberty look like the Egyptians did it. Do you think that the USS Liberty had any problem identifying those Israeli Nord French built reconnaisance planes that flew over the ship that morning so close that they could read the name on the stern of the ship? Israel is the only country that had those planes. Do you think that the Liberty reported to anyone that they were being over flown by those Israeli planes? Do you think that the Liberty also reported that there were no, repeat no, planes of any other country observed? So why would anyone think that the attack on the Liberty was done by the Egyptians. I stated above that the Egyptian air force had already been eliminated as a threat two days before the Liberty was attacked. Al Jazeera is simply trying to make it look like that the “peaceful” Muslims had nothing to do with Israel attacking the Liberty which is not true. Those peaceful Syrians had been shelling the men, women, and children who lived around the Sea of Galilee ever since 1948 when Israel was formed. Constant artillery from the Golan Heights were reported all the time in the Jerusalem Posts. Israel most desperately wanted to stop those shellings, and that is the reason they attacked the Liberty. Egypt had nothing to do with it. Israel wanted the Golan and they still have it.

            • Robert Edwards

              The most important misprint in the above article is: “The survivors have always been extremely confident that Israel’s intentions were to sink that ship and kill everyone on board so Egypt could be blamed for the tragedy. Why? To convince President Lyndon Johnson (and the American public) that we needed to declare war on Egypt.” The writer says there is proof that Israel deliberately attacked the Liberty the same as I and all of the survivors have been stating since the attack took place…by the way, I was originally ordered to be on board the Liberty and to be picked up at Naples, but the ship was diverted to the EastMed with a port call at Naples impossible to make. To blame the attack on Egypt–it would never have happened and the Soviet Union had all kinds of ships and troops that would have protected Egypt from any U.S. attack. To have done that in 1967 would have meant a nuclear war. What Al Jazeera and the writer concludes is just not even close concerning blaming Egypt. So, what did the US do to Israel that resolved the attack on the Liberty and calmed the distaste between Israel and the US? I have stated that we got all kinds of Soviet aircraft, guided missiles, tanks, electronic counter mission systems, and so forth that were shipped to the US for our weapons intel guys to learn as much about as possible. These systems were captured in the Sinai without a scratch on them. Why? Because we had our own war in Vietnam fighting those same weapons systems. It is hard to say how many American lives in Vietnam were saved because of what we were able to learn from the Soviet gear exchanged from Israeli captured weapons.

              • Adam Edgar Quintanilla

                Robert Edwards: do you also want to explain how Israel was NOT behind the Lavon Affair of the fifties? Even the citizens of Israel were embarrassed by this!

                http://www.wrmea.org/1992-july/the-lavon-affair-when-israel-firebombed-u.s.-installations.html

                • Robert Edwards

                  Have you ever read how the Arab nations around Israel were constantly trying to eliminate them ever since 1948? Yes, Israel tried to stop the harrassment caused by Nasser of Egypt who vowed to destroy Israel. They tried it in 1954 in what was a very small infiltration that you refer to as the Lavon Affair. Then in 1956, along with the French and British they pushed troops west of the Suez Canal and the US went to the United Nations and forced all three nations to withdraw back out of the Suez and Sinai regions. The action taken by the US in 1956 was partially what caused Israel to distrust us. Even though most think that the US was a supporter of Israel after 1956 that is not really the truth. Israel tried to get all kinds of US military weapons, but the US was “sitting the fence” in order to get Arab Oil as our own resources diminished. They got nothing and turned to France and Britian whom they considered more their allies. The Nord Atlas, the Fuga Magisters, the Super Mysteres, and even the MTBs used to attack the Liberty were all purchased from France. I am sure that Moshe Dayan had no hesitancy in making the plans and ordering the attack on the Liberty. It was only an act of God that five out of six torpedoes missed and that they kept the ship afloat after the one that did hit. At the end of four days, Egypt’s military was all but demolished and the Soviets sent in assistance to help them. So why would making the sinking of the Liberty look like the Egyptians did it have any hope of our believing such foolishness? We certainly would not have gone to war with the USSR over Egypt!!!

                  • Adam Edgar Quintanilla

                    So, why do YOU believe Israel attacked the USS Liberty?

                    We now know that Israel has been behind all the supposed “attacks” blamed on their Arab and Egyptian neighbors.

                    Sitting across the dinner table from former CIA officer, Ray McGovern, about ten years ago, he informed my political group that it was his belief that one of the possible reasons for the attack on the USS Liberty was that it had been in the vicinity of the Sinai peninsula where Israel had just captured 10,000 Egyptian soldiers and rather than follow international protocol by providing for these POWs decided it would be more convenient to slaughter them instead. Fearing that the USS Liberty had captured this act of murder it was decided that the USS Liberty had to be destroyed along with all its records and its sailors, potential witnesses, killed.

                    Israel apparently did not want the world to find out that its “good guy” status was just a horrible pretense.
                    In 1948 the Jewish state decided to expand beyond the 1947 UN borders and 700,000 Palestinians were exiled from land that had been theirs for centuries along with the destruction of hundreds of Arab villages. The theft of Palestinian land and homes continues today with the residents of illegal Zionist villages even poisoning the wells used by Palestinians along with destroying their date trees.

                    http://www.catholicsforisrael.com/articles/israel-today/188-israel-palestine-when-the-map-lies

                    • Robert Edwards

                      Adam, I have heard that the Israelis killed POWs and it was feared that the Liberty saw the incident happening. I can assure you that even looking through the “Big Eyes” on a small ship like the Liberty any type of executions even down near the ocean would have been visible from 13 miles away which was the Liberty’s closest point to shore and then she would have had to have been directly near the place of execution. From what I have heard, those suspected executions took place in the Sinai south of El Arish–too far for having been seen from the Liberty. Israel would certainly not have transmitted any data for such executions that could have wound up in a court of law. It is strange that the U.N. has never issued any indictment against Israel after all these years which tends to make one believe that there were no executions of POWs. The land area of Israel was established when Israel became a state in May of 1948–not in 1947. In 1948, Palestinians who became refugees were those who left the would be state of Israel in order that Arab armies could enter the country and kill all Israelis which they failed to do. Those Palestinians had been warned that if they left the new state they would forfeit there land. Those Palestinians who stayed in Israel retained their land, hold Israeli citizenship and are a formidble political party in Israel to this day. I do agree that Israel is wrong in creating Jewish communities within the West Bank area. They are using these communities as “bargain chips” to gain Arab recognition. They are willing to give those areas back if the Arab nations and Palestinans recognize Israel as a nation–Hamas has said they will never do that. Therefore, we have an ongoing conflict that started centuries ago and will continue for years to come. The U.N. should create a buffer along the Israeli-West Bank border in which no weapons are allowed and inspections are made of everyone crossing the borders. However, the buffer zone must now be moved back much further because of all of the rockets that are smuggled into Gaza and the West Bank and Southern Lebanon from Iran. I think you will find that destruction of property done by the IDF takes place when an individual is found to have committed an act of violence against Israel…it would be nice if all the violence could end.

                      • Adam Edgar Quintanilla
                        • Robert Edwards

                          Adam,
                          Egypt is the only country that has signed an agreement to recognize Israel. The PLO, Hamas, and other Palestinian segments have had plenty of opportunity to recognize Israel, but they have taken a hard line against Israel in every instance. It is too bad, but it now looks like Israel has been backed into a corner to where they feel their best bet for survival is to maintain the status quo and be ready to fight when the time comes and when it is necessary. Back in 1967, we were all just a few minutes from a nuclear war in response to the Liberty…at least now Russia is not backing everyone like they were then. The main player in the game now is ISIS, and there is more risk of a major conflict between the Sunni and Shia Muslims now than back then. Israel will make decisions based on the current situation. In my view it leaves the Palestinians without much to grab a hold of…Iran has taken over as their supporter in place of Saudi Arabia. At least Israel had a good amount of diplomacy with Saudi Arabia; but certainly not with Iran.

                        • Adam Edgar Quintanilla

                          Funny you should mention ISIS. It seems that Israel and Turkey are suspected of being the recipients of oil deals with ISIS. Radio communiques between ISIS and Israeli posts have been intercepted over the last few months. A Palestinian leader that had been heavily pursued by Israel was assassinated by ISIS agents a few weeks ago. Funny how a Sunni organization like ISIS would go out of its way to kill a fellow Sunni agent which would greatly help Israel. A high ranking Israeli commander was captured with ISIS fighters and Israel has admitted the status of their military commander. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/21/breaking-story-israeli-general-captured-in-iraq-confesses-to-israel-isis-coalition/

                        • Robert Edwards

                          History has shown that wars often create some strange bedfellows that are least expected. The story is very evident of what I have been saying and that is that a conflict between Iran and Shiites in Iraq and elsewhere against Saudi Arabia and Sunnites is more likely than any war between just Israel and the Arabs at the present time. I have assumed all along that the Saudis would be supporting ISIS. After all, the make up of ISIS is primarily the Sunnis who were once under the army of Saddam Hussein. Since ISIS became as strong and biligerent as it has become the 60% plus Shiites in Iraq have now all but been assimilated into Iran, and the Iranian army is more in command of Iraq than the Iraqi army or what is left of it. I think Israel is smart enough to know that they can be in bed with ISIS up until ISIS no longer needs intelligence for ground movement. From that point on, Israel will have to be prepared for ground offensive from ISIS. It seems that in return for intelligence, it seems that Israel is getting oil–probably from the oil lines that come from Saudi and go to Asquelon. I am wondering just how the Jordanians are supplying trucks to ISIS since the King there was very angry with ISIS and staged air attacks against them over a pilot that was murdered. Are you sure just which side the Palestinians are on presently? They used to be under the influence and finances of Saudis, but now they are getting rockets and resupplies and money from Iran. ISIS has been known to kill other Sunnis who did not join up with them.

                        • Adam Edgar Quintanilla

                          The bottom line seems to be that Israel, even though it likes to portray itself as the homeland of the Jewish people and the paragon of Jewish morals, has become more of a cancer in the region that will do ANYTHING to survive, morals be damned. The Likud party is no longer the far rightwing party of the nation with other parties now making the Likud party appear moderate by comparison. The Jewish Home and others have advocated setting up concentration camps for Palestinians. Far right wing rabbis have made statements that state that non-Jews may live in Israel only as long as they serve the Jews there. Our far right wing leaders like the Republicans and Hillary Clinton have basically stated that Israel will be allowed to treat Palestinians in whatever manner they choose.

                          It is time for the state of Israel and all the Islamic republics to disappear so that, one day, they will be remembered only as bad memories!

                        • Robert Edwards

                          Adam,
                          I am sure that Israel will try to defend itself should the time come. I think there is no doubt that there is only Israel which can be defined as “the homeland of the Jews.” I don’t see anything that Israel has done that is or has been an attempt to eliminate the Palestinians. On the other hand, Hamas has repeatedly called for the extinction of Israel and the death of all Jews….I don’t consider that to be moralistic; do you? Israel still allows Palestinians to cross the border every day to go to places of work. If Israel really wanted to harm the Palestinians who are Muslims all they have to do is cease letting them come into Israel to work, shop, and even to worship.
                          Concentration camps for Palestinians? A large number of them live in refugee camps now. What benefit would it be for Israel to force other Palestinians into concentration camps unless it is to stop them from firing rockets at Israel. It is only 17 miles from the West Bank launching area to downtown Tel Aviv. Do you have any idea how many rockets have been fired from the West Bank and Gaza into Israel? Those missiles strike homes more often than not and women and children are killed very often. Is that what you consider being moral?
                          Our leaders have stood by Israel, but there have been times when our leaders have condemned Israel for bad policies–like the communities being pushed into east Jerusalem and the West Bank.

                      • tbenton62

                        Adam, you have heard they kill POW’s? Really, could you give one documented case of this? I can give you hundreds where the Arabs did this, but there is not one case of the Israeli’s slaughtering people in this war.
                        And the nonsense of the Arabs leaving, that is a lie, they left at the urging of their fellow Arabs, the Arabs admit this, once more you are a liar.

                        After losing “1948 genocidal war” they started, that’s what Arabs leaders had to say:
                        “The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead they abandoned them, forced them to immigrate and to leave their home land, imposed upon them a political and ideological blockade and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in eastern Europe, as if we were condemned to change places with them. The Arab states succeeded in scattering the Palestinians and in destroying their unity.
                        abu-mazen (Falastin el-Th’ora,beirut, march 1976)

                        Secretary General of the Arab League, Azzam Pasha, agreed that Arab leadership encouraged Palestinians to temporarily leave their homes:
                        “It was promised that conquering Palestine would be a military picnic, our advice to the Palestinians was to temporarily leave their homes” (Al-Huda, Lebanon June 5th, 1951).

                        Syrian Prime Minister, Khalid Al-Azam (in his book Memories, 1973) laments and writes:
                        “We brought disaster on the refugees, when we urged them to abandon their homes”

                        You got to love these fools that make claims with ZERO facts to back them up.

                    • Robert Edwards

                      I have said before the reason for the attack on the Liberty was so that the ship could not learn of troop movements from the Sinai to the Golan region and so that the attack on the Golan could go on without US intervetion at the U.N. demanding withdrawal…Any public disclosure of the troop movements would have warned Syria and other nations (Iraq and Iran for sure) that the attack was coming and they could have moved aircraft to Syria to have prevented its success.

                      • Gary

                        WOW! Thank you for sharing your experience and insight. And you consider there is no chance that Israel did not know this was an American ship, right? Israel distrusted the US that much at the time? And do you know what was the specific mission of the Liberty was
                        that day?

                        • Robert Edwards

                          There is no chance in the world that the IDF did not know the Liberty was a US ship. In 1967, Israel was considered by the world’s military think tanks to have been one of the most professional organization in the world; especially when it came to joint operations between the air, navy and ground commands and units. I don’t think that Israel distrusted us; they had experience upon which to have a strong opinion of knowing what we would do if we learned that Israel was going to invade Syria. Israel did not know how long it would take to conquer the Golan and they had to plan for a worse case scenario in which they could have been repulsed and delayed for several days which would have made it more possible for the US to go to the UN and demand a withdrawal. Yes, I know what the specific mission of the Liberty was, but that needs not be a part of this discussion. Suffice it to say that they were there as a spy ship.

                        • tbenton62

                          Really Robert, did Israel have satellite at the time they could use to track all traffic in the sea? OF course not, at the time Israel had a small navy, set up for coastal defense, nothing more. It is clear you have no clue once more of what you are talking about.
                          And Syria was part of the 1967 war, they had every right to invade the Golan Heights, it would not have mattered if the US knew or not, but the fact is the Syrians had attacked from there, the Israeli’s pushed them back, that is how it actually happened, not the misinformation you are spewing.

                        • Raman Basha

                          Israel had the use of CIA Satellite Imagery at the time. Israel realized Egypt and Syria were too weak attack Israel. Israel attacked first and then lied to the world that the attack was in self defense.

                        • tbenton62

                          Wrong, the US had no CIA or NSA satellites that went over that area, the fact is the Egyptians had set that in motion by first kicking out the UN observers in the Sinai, then moving their troops closer to the Israeli border,. but that is not what started the war, it was that the Egyptians had put in place the blockade to through the Tarin Straights, then challenged Israel to do something about it. Israel and the US told them they would attack, such a move was a act of war, Egypt even acknowledge as much with their press releases.

                          “We challenge you, Eshkol, to try all your weapons. Put them to the test; they will spell Israel’s death and annihilation.”
                          – Egyptian government broadcast
                          (Voice of the Arabs, May 16, 1967; quoted in Walter Laqueur, The Road to War [Pelican Books, 1969], p. 82)

                          “We knew that by closing the Gulf of Aqaba it might mean war with Israel. [If war comes] it will be total and the objective will be to destroy Israel.”
                          – Gamal Abdel Nasser
                          (Washington Post, May 27, 1967)

                          “With the closing of the Straits [of Tiran], Israel faces two possibilities, both of which are blood-soaked: either it will die by strangulation in the wake of the Arab military and economic blockade, or it will die by shooting from the Arab forces surrounding it in the south, north and east.”
                          – Egyptian government broadcast
                          (Radio Cairo, May 27, 1967; quoted in Moshe Shemesh, “Did Shuqayri Call For ‘Throwing the Jews into the Sea?” Israel Studies, Summer 2003, p. 79)

                          Amazing, once more I have no issue showing not only the data to back up what I have stated, but show who said it, where it was stated, and who reported it, you, you can not provide a shred of evidence, yet you want to scream I am a liar.
                          What’s next, you going to try to tell me that the joke you call a prophet visited the mosque in Jerusalem, the mosque that did not exist until over 50 years after the death of Mohammad, and while he was alive the temple mount was a garbage dump, so how exactly could have he visited anything there.
                          Seems this is all you Arabs do, lie, lie , and lie some more.

                    • Robert Edwards

                      Adam,

                      I would like for you to explain your comment: “We now know that Israel has been behind all the supposed “attacks” blamed on their Arab and Egyptian neighbors.” Since the June War of 1967 was the major conflict that resulted in the loss of significant land areas from the Arab nations, in just which way was Israel responsible for the Arab and Egyptian forces being involved? Was it because the Israeli’s stopped the flow of commercial shipping into the Gulf of Aquaba and blockaded the port of Eilat? Was it because the oil pipelines that provided fuel for Israel from trade agreements with Arab and American Oil Companies (ARAMCO) was suddenly shut down by the Israelis? Was it because the Israelis placed armored battalions all along the borders with Egypt, Jordan, and Syria?

                    • robert affinity

                      I noted some of the info above in another reply to someone else. Every US govt investigation agrees, Accident.

                      So, why did they do it? For one thing they were fighting a multi-front war with multiple Arab states promising to commit genocide against Israel.

                      The USA mistakenly thought the Liberty was at least 100 miles away, as they had been ordered to do. They received but didn’t decode that message.

                      So, Israel asked the USA if we had any ships and we told them No we have no ships there.

                      Your claim about killing 10,000 Egyptian soldiers makes for a catchy urban legend, but it never happened.

                      No 10,000 missing soldiers.
                      No mass graves.
                      No crime and therefore the “motive” falls apart.

                    • tbenton62

                      Adam, you really have no clue what you are talking about, and the Catholics who have stood against Israel from day one are sure not a good source, with your pope who prays towards Mecca to make the Muslims happy.
                      The fact is in the radio intercepts by NSA the pilots thought it was a Egyptian ship, go to a earlier post, I give the actual NSA links to this, they openly state they think it is Egyptian ship while coming back from the attack. Further there was no identifying markers on the ship, the ship sailed out of international waters into territorial waters, in another post I give the actual site of the attack by the longitude and latitude given, the sailed the ship into a active war zone in spite of being warned not to, were attacked when they did.

                      • Raman Basha

                        To the neophyte your argument seems plausible. To the discerning eye regarding Middle East Affairs your apologist lies are readily identifiable and regrettable. Please give it up already.

                        • tbenton62

                          In other words you can not refute a thing that was stated, you can not provide a shred of evidence to back up your claims, seems to be about right, you are a Muslim, should expect no less.

                • tbenton62

                  Who cares, what does that have to do with the USS Liberty, and the Lavon Affair was put in place when the countries there were trying to figure out a way to combine strengths, Israel had a good right to be worried, seems last I checked the US and Britain did the same exact things to the Germans in the Second world war, so you are yelling that Israel learned from them and were working to break up a alliance?

                  • Raman Basha

                    So you are an Israeli Apologist and condone Terrorism.

                    • tbenton62

                      No, I am a historian, something you seem clueless about.

                      • Raman Basha

                        Who exactly is clueless? You forget that it is the job of the government and in particular the Spy Agencies to lie to their public.

                        • tbenton62

                          This is just a pathetic excuse to excuse what you do not want to accept. You can pull the longitude and latitude, see that that the USS liberty sailed out of international waters, got into the sovereign water of Israel, ignored all hails, they even show this in the findings, if you bothered to read the history of the 1967 war you would find the Egyptian navy had been in the same are just two days prior shelling Israeli positions.
                          Now you can interpret as you will, but you can not just explain away the captains, first officer, the officers on the deck and in CIC as irrelevant, they were the ones there, but for some reason you reject all their testimony and only go on the testimony of people in engineering spaces who would have had no access to the radar, intel or actual sight of what was going on. You then dismiss the fact that all the findings came to the same conclusion after going over the data, ignore them and say that only a admiral, one that was brought up more then once for racist comments against both blacks and Jews, that he is the credible witness, and he had no access to the data.
                          You are as stupid as the fools that ignore the findings on 9/11, then go to YouTube, try to say that is a source to show that Israeli’s were involved, then point to Dancing Jews, like that is some type of source.
                          As I said, one can not fix willing stupidity.

                      • Raman Basha

                        You spout your Zionist Ideologies and vitriol with an obnoxious tone which produces in most cases the opposite effect of what was intended. You are such a rank amateur whose two dimensional approach is readily apparent.

        • Karmnu

          Have youseen this ship??? I DID.

        • Raman Basha

          Thanks for your comments which are a textbook example of obfuscation, distortion and misinformation. We can throw in cognitive dissonance for good measure. You don’t know what you are talking about or you are intentionally lying. It has been proven beyond a doubt that Israel intentionally attached the USS Liberty with instructions to kill all on board and scuttle the ship for two reasons. One Israeli intelligence had learned that Egypt & Syria had recently communicated that they were not strong enough to attack Israel. Thus they were merely amassing troops with no intention of attacking the vastly superior Israel. When the Israeli leadership was made aware they attacked first and then lied to the Western Media that they were merely defending themselves. Two Israel had taken 10,000 Arab soldiers as POWs. Rather than treat them humanely according to the Geneva Convention the Israelis made the Arabs dig their own graves in the desert and then turned the sand red with Arab blood as they machine gunned the helpless prisoners. The Liberty was an intelligence gathering ship with light arms fore and aft and didn’t stand a chance against the French Made Mirage Fighter jets and the Israeli torpedo boats.

          • tbenton62

            Raman, the only one involved in this is you. If you go to the US findings, the Naval Board of Inquiry, the CIA, the NSA, the Joint Chief of Staff report, the House and Senate investigation, or the White House special counsel, please show us where this is ever stated? The Audio tapes at the time show just the opposite, the pilots were unsure if it was a Egyptian ship, they could not find any national markings or a flag, so how did you find this?
            Seems you are the one using Obfuscation, distortion and misinformation, you make claims that have no merit to them, where is the proof you claim to have.
            And give me a break on the attack, Egypt provoked the attack in 1967 by a act of war when they closed the access to the sea through the straights of Tarin, or did you just forget that as well, more so this was openly admitted by Egypt.

            “We knew that by closing the Gulf of Aqaba it might mean war with Israel. [If war comes] it will be total and the objective will be to destroy Israel.”
            – Gamal Abdel Nasser
            (Washington Post, May 27, 1967)

            “With the closing of the Straits [of Tiran], Israel faces two possibilities, both of which are blood-soaked: either it will die by strangulation in the wake of the Arab military and economic blockade, or it will die by shooting from the Arab forces surrounding it in the south, north and east.”
            – Egyptian government broadcast
            (Radio Cairo, May 27, 1967; quoted in Moshe Shemesh, “Did Shuqayri Call For ‘Throwing the Jews into the Sea?” Israel Studies, Summer 2003, p. 79)

            Funny how I have no problem giving references, go to my prior posts, I destroy each and ever lie you present.

            And Israel had Arab soldiers dig their graves? Amazing, I heard of the Arabs doing this, but care to give one shred of evidence to this claim? The fact is you are a liar, never happened.
            Typical Arab lies, you accuse the other side of what the Arabs do. The fact is in the war there were 87 Israeli POW’s killed by the Arabs, http://www.timesofisrael.com/prisoners-still-the-ongoing-trauma-of-the-yom-kippur-war-pows/, there is not one record of the Arabs being killed once captured. And to be frank, after the way the Egyptians slaughtered their POW’s and treated them, if Israel had done such a thing, which they did not, it would have been understandable.

            • Raman Basha

              New Evidence Proves Israel Attacked USS Liberty With Orders To Kill 294 Americans
              Fresh evidence presented in an exclusive Al Jazeera investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans proves the incident was not a mistake

              Fresh evidence presented in an exclusive Al Jazeera investigation into the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans proves the incident was not a mistake. Since 1967 the ‘official story‘ has been that Israel simply misidentified the American ship as Egyptian for several hours. Israel apologized to the United States and for several decades we’ve been led to believe that this could be the only explanation for why Israeli jets and torpedo boats would launch rockets, missiles and torpedoes at an American target for more than two hours.

              A new documentary called ‘The Day Israel Attacked America” airing on Al Jazeera was produced and directed by award winning British film maker Richard Belfield. Thanks to the audio evidence obtained by Belfield, it is finally possible to prove the survivors of the attack on the USS Liberty were right all along. The survivors have always been extremely confident that Israel’s intentions were to sink that ship and kill everyone on board so Egypt could be blamed for the tragedy. Why? To convince President Lyndon Johnson (and the American public) that we needed to declare war on Egypt. This is the definition of a ‘false flag‘. (can you say 9/11?)

              It appears that once again, a conspiracy theory has turned out to be conspiracy fact. You can finally take off your tinfoil hats!

              “Earlier this year, I acquired a copy of the audiotape of the attack as it had unfolded, the real time conversations between Israeli Air Force pilots and their controllers back at base. It had never been broadcast before. I went to talk to Al Jazeera and after careful consideration, the network commissioned the film.” – Richard Belfield

              Just sixteen minutes after Israel attacked America, the USS Liberty was confirmed by Israeli forces to be an American ship. These conversations can be heard in the documentary Al Jazeera has been airing on their station.

              “To what state does she belong?” (Answer): “American”

              Yet the attacks continued for an hour and a half!

              Even five minutes before the first bombing you can hear Israeli Air Force pilots question whether the ship was American or not. You don’t have to be a genius to understand why these pilots would be extremely uncomfortable attacking a ship suspected to be American without being given direct orders to do so. I believe we can safely assume this attack wouldn’t have been carried out otherwise.

              rsz_deathamerica“Is it an American ship?” “What do you mean American?” “No comment.”

              Twenty minutes after a ground controller answered “American” when asked “to what state does she belong?” by Israeli Air Force pilots, the first torpedo hit the USS Liberty. A voice can clearly be heard which confirms that this target, thought to be American at that time, was to be destroyed.

              “The torpedo is talking care of the ship now.”

              As soon as the first torpedo hit the USS Liberty, Israeli torpedo boats circled the ship and started machine-gunning the American target for another 40 minutes. When the USS Liberty crew lowered their lifeboats into the water to evacuate their ship, the Israelis moved closer so they could gun down the Americans attempting to save their own lives.

              More than ten years ago a journalist named Arieh O’Sullivan from the Jerusalem Post was allowed to listen to these same audiotapes. He published a transcript of the Israeli military transmissions he heard directing the attack on the USS Liberty. Sixteen minutes after the attack started, just as in the recording obtained by Al Jazeera, O’Sullivan’s transcript (translated from Hebrew to English) shows the same exchange.

              “Kislev, what country?” (Answer): “Apparently American.”

              That is where O’Sullivan’s transcript, published over ten years ago by the Jerusalem Post, ends. There is just one major problem with that… The attack continued for another hour and a half!

              • tbenton62

                You mean these recordings, this is right from NSA where they claim they go them from, please tell me where they are, I have gone over every audio, I know Hebrew, have gone over every English translation, tell me where they said this?
                https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/recordings.shtml

                Oh wait, the NSA must be controlled by the Zionist as well, right?
                As I said, you are a clueless idiot, love destroying your lies.

                • Raman Basha

                  You have painted yourself into a corner. I guess the Spy Agencies would never tell a lie nor would they delete sensitive information in the files.

                  • tbenton62

                    Ah, so in other words you can not dispute what was on the audio tape, right?

                • Raman Basha

                  It is apparent that you are an amateur in the area of Middle East Affairs with a not so subtle Agenda. My question is how much are you being paid to write these lies by your Zionist Overlords?

                  • tbenton62

                    Of course I am, that is why you are unable with one shred of evidence to dispute one thing I have stated. Funny, I can link the data to the actual voice recordings, you want to quote a book, I can show the link to the US Senate, the House, the Naval Board of Inquiry, the NSA, CIA, and the White House special counsel along with the Joint Chief of Staff investigation, you can not bring a shred of data to refute it, it is the ACTUAL findings. Must be that my PhD in Historical Studies, the fact that I taught it for over 25 years in college has made me a amateur, guess research is dead right? You are a fool.

                    • Raman Basha

                      Apparently 25 years has turned you into a parrot at the pulpit repeating the sermon but unable to think intelligently once he veers off course. The only thing you bring to this discussion is two dimensions and an amateur approach. Again you do not speak of the documents that have been shredded. Do you really think the powers that be would implicate themselves that easily? Your opinion matters more than the retired naval officer who went on record claiminng he was ordered to cover up the deliberate attack by the former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.

                      • tbenton62

                        Of course, the NSA, CIA, the Navy, the House, Senate, the presidential investigation were all wrong, how dare I use them as a source and not use some dime novel right?
                        Are you joking, no one can be this stupid, although you are quickly convincing me that you are.

                        • Raman Basha

                          Here is where you are naive, gullible and amateurish. Take a good look.
                          Washington, D.C. – After repeatedly lying to Congress and undermining the Senate Intelligence Committee, CIA Director John Brennan was caught lying again to the oversight committee this week when he refused to admit his employees had used “improper procedures” when they hacked into the Senate’s email accounts. Instead of taking responsibility for ordering his men to break the law, Brennan threw a temper tantrum during the open hearing as Sen. Ron Wyden refused to swallow any more of the CIA Director’s lies.
                          Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cia-director-throws-tantrum-senator-catches-lying/#20cpiiqbMle3QbkP.99

                        • Raman Basha

                          “No one can be this stupid?” Take a good look and get a little schooling. You are a rank amateur and have much to learn…
                          As reports emerged Thursday that an internal investigation by the Central Intelligence Agency’s inspector general found that the CIA “improperly” spied on US Senate staffers when researching the CIA’s dark history of torture, it was hard to conclude anything but the obvious: John Brennan blatantly lied to the American public. Again.
                          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate

                • Raman Basha

                  Here is a little schooling for you. Read Pity The Nation by the British Journalist Robert Fiske. There is a chapter I believe called Blood in which a detailed account was given of the Murderous Attack by Israel on the USS Liberty. It seems there was a spyplane flying at 70,000 undetected overhead with 5 Arab linguists and one ‘special Arab linguist”( read Hebrew) that electronically recorded the deliberate order from the highest levels of the Israeli Government to attack the USS Liberty, kill everyone on board and scuttle the ship.
                  Seems our “ally” in the Middle East didn’t want the USS Liberty leaking two dirty Israeli secrets. Some ‘ally’! Here is why you are an amateur. Id someone had committed a crime would they leave a record of same? Please!!!!!

                  https://www.amazon.com/Pity-Nation-Abduction-Lebanon-Books/dp/1560254424
                  !http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/marines.pdf

                  • tbenton62

                    Why would I care about a book when I have the data? Seems you are once more ignoring the NSA tapes, the fact that they do not say what you or others are saying. I know the incident well, have read over the reports, it is obvious your book author and you did not.
                    And a unseen spy plane, now this is rich, they had one spy plane fly over, it was a SR72, did not fly over at the time, the Arabs fired on it, naturally did not even come close.
                    Seems you have a penchant for ignoring what the official report said. Can not help you, seems you would rather be ignorant and ignore the facts.

                    • Raman Basha

                      You can’t even get the name or the spy plane right. It was not the SR72. Rather the SR71 retired in 1998 by Lockheed Martin. Flying at 70,000 ft and Mach 3, is was invisible to both the Arab and the Israeli Military forces. No Arab army fired on the SR 71. They never saw it. Let this be the litmus test for your credibility/. Quite frankly watching reruns of the Munsters is more fulfilling than swerving you your derriere on a platter. Nothing personal if I cease to respond to your rants.

                      • tbenton62

                        The SR71 overflew in the 1973 war, did not in the 67 war, it was done too fast, in was while during the 73 war it was shot at, nothing came close. OF course you claim they never seen them, funny, not what the pilots said. And both the Egyptians and the Israeli’s fired at the SR71, the US did not tell the Israeli’s it was their plane until afterwords. https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=957_1467274056 Funny, once more you are proven wrong. Are you getting tired of this yet? It is too fun to make a fool of you.

                        • Raman Basha

                          Incorrect. We are not talking about the 73 War. The SR71 did fly overhead at 70,000 feet during the 1967 War.

                  • tbenton62

                    By the way, the book you are referring to was written in 2002, suggest you google the date of publication, tell me, how could have he gotten hold of any official findings when they were not published until after 2012? As I said, you have no clue what you are talking about.

                    • Raman Basha

                      Author Robert Fisk
                      Country Great Britain
                      Language English
                      Genre History, Current Affairs
                      Publisher Oxford University Press
                      Publication date
                      1990
                      Media type Print (Hardback & Paperback) & Kindle
                      Pages 681
                      ISBN 978-0-19-285235-9
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pity_the_Nation

                  • robert affinity
                • Raman Basha

                  So the CIA would never delete a file that would implicate themselves nor the US Government?

            • Raman Basha

              The problem with your media sources is that they are Zionist controlled and this as subject to Zionist Revisionist History. Also looking for evidence of culpability in the official files is like Nixon appointing a special commission to determine if he was involved in any wrongdoing regarding Watergate.

              • tbenton62

                Of course, Zionist controlled, that must be why they none stop attack Israel right? Now you have moved from the absurd to the outright stupid. Must be a Muslim thing, when you can not refute, scream Zionist controlled.
                Love it, thanks for the laugh.

                • Raman Basha

                  Cognitive dissonance?

                  • tbenton62

                    Once more we see deflection, this fool can not bring facts to the table, so first he blames everything on the Zionist, then when he can not dispute one thing he claims they are Zionist facts, goes to show why the Arabs are so stupid, they can not use their brains, no wonder why Islam is the arm pit of society.

                    • Raman Basha

                      Arabs are so stupid/ Like Steven Jobs perhaps?

              • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                Another excellent zinger.

            • Raman Basha

              Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer, who has served this country as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chief of Naval Operations, once lead an independent commission to investigate what really happened to the USS Liberty. The commission’s findings were made public in 2003. Here are a few of the shocking conclusions.

              The attack, by a U.S. ally, was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew.
              The attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts .
              The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the USS Liberty. This was the first time in naval history a rescue mission had been cancelled while an American ship was under attack.
              Surviving crew members were later threatened with court-martial, imprisonment, or worse if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government.”

              • tbenton62

                Do not care, the bottom line is he has a right to make a opinion, the facts of the findings do not agree with what Moorer stated. More so if you look at other of his statements you see a consistency of attacks against Israel by Admiral Moorer, do not give any credence to his opinion, just more anti Israel bashing.
                And please show me where in these findings it states what you stated, that is just pure BS.

                U.S. Naval Court of Inquiry
                http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/CourtOfInquiry.pdf

                Joint Chief of Staff’s Report
                http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/JCSreport.pdf

                CIA Intelligence Memorandums
                http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/CIAreports.pdf

                White House Special Counsel
                http://www.thelibertyincident.com/clifford.html

                US Senate investigation
                http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/SenateInvestigation.pdf

                US House Investigation
                http://thelibertyincident.com/docs/HouseInvestigation1971.pdf

                In the audio tapes intercepted by NSA of the Israeli pilots clearly shows they think it is a Egyptian ship, in fact has them asking the helicopter pilots to please interview the first survivor to see where they come from.

                This is where you can find the actual audio and the transcripts
                https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/uss-liberty/recordings.shtml

                Now you may be able to get by with this with someone who has no clue what they are talking about,but the facts do not support your myth, more so considering the location of the ship shows it clearly sailed out of international waters and into the waters of a active war zone, that in spite of being warned on all channels by Israel to stay out and by the command at the time not to do so.
                http://latitude.to/articles-by-country/general/791/uss-liberty-incident

                As I said, you have no clue what you are talking about, the testimony by the Captain, the first officer, the officers on the bridge and in the CIC is what they used to come to this conclusion, but hey, let’s go by what people said in engineering spaces who would not have been privy to this information, right?

                And the surviving crews were threatened with a court martial, now that is way too funny, let me guess, you read that in Al Jazeera, it is obvious you have no facts, instead go with the nonsense of the conspiracy sites.

                • Raman Basha

                  I get it now. You use Alternative Facts. You believe what you want to believe in spite of the truth. In your world night is day and day is night. Suggestion: apply for a position with the Trump Administration.

                  • tbenton62

                    So alternate facts? Amazing, so I can pull historical data, archaeological findings, census taken prior to Israel even existing, documented eye witness accounts and these are alternate facts? Alternate to what? You can not provide one shred of evidence to counter them.

                • Raman Basha

                  You mean the edited audio tapes and transcripts correct? The ones that have been designed to modify public perception, to hide the horrific reality of that day when the top Israeli leadership ordered the deliberate and murderous attack on the USS Liberty.

              • tbenton62

                Do not care about Moorer, you mean the admiral that got in trouble more then once for hate speech against Jews, could care less what he says or thinks, I care about facts, something you seem incapable of providing.
                And Crew members were court martialed? Really , care to provide a shred of evidence to back up this claim? Now will come silence.

                • Raman Basha

                  Why would you let the facts stand in your way?Again Alternative Facts? Moorer is not substantial. We will believe your impetuous stance attempting to force your persio or reality down our throats.

                  • tbenton62

                    Alternate facts? Really, so the official findings by the US government are alternative facts, the ones you have read are real, are you stupid? I do not care if you believe them or not, I am saying I will go by what the official record shows, not some dime novel.

                • Raman Basha

                  Of course you don’t care about Moorer, a credible witness. Why let the facts get in the way of your Zionist Revisionist Reality?

                • Raman Basha

                  You write like your position as a historian is more credible than Admiral Moorer. Why bother with the facts and credible witnesses when you have an Agenda of being an Israeli Apologist and/or Hasbara Brigade. You and Israel are losing the information war thanks in large part to the internet and the social media. The American Public is not as stupid as you think. Time is running out for you and your ilk.

                  • tbenton62

                    No, the fact that I can use the data, something Moorer has never done is far more credible. Funny, kind of reminds me of you, you refuse to take facts that are not convenient to you, ignore facts you do not like as Zionist facts, then say the findings by the Navy, House, Senate, the CIA, NSA, and the White House along with the Joint Chiefs report is not as credible as a dime novel. I am done with you, I do not speak stupid, it is obvious you are not interested in Facts, typical Arab.

                    • Raman Basha

                      Weak argument. You never answered the the question regarding how much you were being paid as a Israeli Apologist.

                      • disqus_tXce7yOZeo

                        LOL, I admire your research and info shared on this site. But this one comment pointing to the obvious, really has me laughing.

                        • Raman Basha

                          Bwhaaaaaaaa!

            • Raman Basha

              How many more sources would you like to prove that the attack was deliberate? Please responses to Robert Edwards? Are you Hasbara Brigade or an Israeli Apologist?

              • tbenton62

                You have given no sources, the fact is the official documents are all that matter, please tell us where in the original documents that show this, I will be waiting.

                • Raman Basha

                  Which version of the official documents? The ones full of lies that are usually fed to the American Public or the unadulterated version which would show the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty?

        • Raman Basha

          John Crewdson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, published in 2007 what former CIA analyst Ray McGovern has called the ‘most detailed and accurate account of the Israeli attack‘ for the Chicago Tribune and Baltimore Sun. You guessed it, Crewdson was fired by the Chicago Tribune just a year later after working there for 24 years. You should read his work.

          “Israeli messages intercepted on June 8, 1967, leave no doubt that sinking the USS Liberty was the mission assigned to the attacking Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats as the Six-Day War raged in the Middle East. Let me repeat: there is no doubt – none – that the mission of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) was to destroy the USS Liberty and kill its entire crew.” – former CIA analyst Ray McGovern.

          • tbenton62

            What a joke, the official findings of the accident were not released until 2012, so how could have he given the most accurate account, he did not have the records yet. Today you can go on line and pull the Naval Board of inquiry, the Joint Chief of Staff investigation, the White House special findings, the pages of NSA intercepts and voice recordings of the pilots speaking to each other, the US Senate, the House each had their own investigation, after interviewing the captain, first officer, the officers on the bridge and CIC found the incident came due to the ship sailing into a war zone in spite of being warned off, each finding found they were attacked when they were spotted in the same area that the Egyptians had attacked days prior, the also have the Pilot radio intercepts as they egressed from the attack talking with their command if they were sure it was a Egyptian ship, no one saw a flag, there is radio intercepts instructing the helo pilots to grab the first survivor out of the water and interview him to see where he came from.
            So let me see, what findings am I going to go by, the official findings which have all the date behind them, or a British reporter who wrote a article 10 years before these records were declassified?
            Most people would go with the official reports, the moron Ramon says anything that does not agree with condemning Israel are faked.

        • Raman Basha

          That transcript, made by a Post reporter who was allowed to listen to what the Israeli Air Force said were tapes of the attacking pilots’ communications, contained only two references to “American” or “Americans,” one at the beginning and the other at the end of the attack.

          The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time, two minutes before the Israeli jets began their first strafing run.

          In the Post transcript, a weapons system officer on the ground suddenly blurted out, “What is this? Americans?”

          “Where are Americans?” replied one of the air controllers.

          The question went unanswered, and it was not asked again.

          Twenty minutes later, after the Liberty had been hit repeatedly by machine guns, 30 mm cannon and napalm from the Israelis’ French-built Mirage and Mystere fighter-bombers, the controller directing the attack asked his chief in Tel Aviv to which country the target vessel belonged.

          “Apparently American,” the chief controller replied.

          Fourteen minutes later the Liberty was struck amidships by a torpedo from an Israeli boat, killing 26 of the 100 or so NSA technicians and specialists in Russian and Arabic who were working in restricted compartments below the ship’s waterline.

          Analyst: Israelis wanted it sunk

          The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha, where Steve Forslund worked as an intelligence analyst for the 544th Air Reconnaissance Technical Wing, then the highest-level strategic planning office in the Air Force.

          “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

          “The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors.”

          Forslund said he clearly recalled “the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.”

          “He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots’ responses that it didn’t sink.”

          Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. “Everybody saw these,” said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military.

          Forslund’s recollections are supported by those of two other Air Force intelligence specialists, working in widely separate locations, who say they also saw the transcripts of the attacking Israeli pilots’ communications.

          One is James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service’s 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam.

          “It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty,” Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. “Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to ‘complete the job’ and get out of there.”

          Six thousand miles from Omaha, on the Mediterranean island of Crete, Air Force Capt. Richard Block was commanding an intelligence wing of more than 100 analysts and cryptologists monitoring Middle Eastern communications.

          The transcripts Block remembered seeing “were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack,” Block said. “The pilots said, ‘This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?’

          “And ground control came back and said, ‘Yes, follow orders.'”

          Gotcher and Forslund agreed with Block that the Jerusalem Post transcript was not at all like what they remember reading.

          “There is simply no way that [the Post transcript is] the same as what I saw,” Gotcher said. “More to the point, for anyone familiar with air-to-ground [communications] procedures, that simply isn’t the way pilots and controllers communicate.”

          Block, now a child protection caseworker in Florida, observed that “the fact that the Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control appears to be a missing part of that Jerusalem Post article.”

          Arieh O’Sullivan, the Post reporter who made the newspaper’s transcript, said the Israeli Air Force tapes he listened to contained blank spaces. He said he assumed those blank spaces occurred while Israeli pilots were conducting their strafing runs and had nothing to communicate.

          ‘But sir, it’s an American ship!’

          Forslund, Gotcher and Block are not alone in claiming to have read transcripts of the attack that they said left no doubt the Israelis knew they were attempting to sink a U.S. Navy ship.

          Many ears were tuned to the battles being fought in and around the Sinai during the Six-Day War, including those belonging to other Arab nations with a keen interest in the outcome.

          “I had a Libyan naval captain who was listening in that day,” said a retired CIA officer, who spoke on condition that he not be named discussing a clandestine informant.

          “He thought history would change its course,” the CIA officer recalled. “Israel attacking the U.S. He was certain, listening in to the Israeli and American comms [communications], that it was deliberate.”

          The late Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon during the Six-Day War, told friends and family members that he had been shown English-language transcripts of Israeli pilots talking to their controllers.

          A close friend, William Chandler, the former head of the Trans-Arabian Pipe Line Co., said Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, “But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!’ To which the ground control responded, ‘Never mind; hit it!'”

          Porter, who asked that his recollections not be made public while he was alive because they involved classified information, also discussed the transcripts during a lunch in 2000 at the Cosmos Club in Washington with another retired American diplomat, Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar.

          Kilgore recalled Porter saying that he “saw the telex, read it, and passed it right back” to the embassy official who had shown it to him. He quoted Porter as recalling that the transcript showed “Israel was attacking, and they know it’s an American ship.”

          Haviland Smith, a young CIA officer stationed in Beirut during the Six-Day War, said that although he never saw the transcript, he had “heard on a number of occasions exactly the story that you just told me about what that transcript contained.”

          He had later been told, Smith recalled, “that ultimately all of the transcripts were deep-sixed. I was told that they were deep-sixed because the administration did not wish to embarrass the Israelis.”

          Perhaps the most persuasive suggestion that such transcripts existed comes from the Israelis themselves, in a pair of diplomatic cables sent by the Israeli ambassador in Washington, Avraham Harman, to Foreign Minister Abba Eban in Tel Aviv.

          Five days after the Liberty attack, Harman cabled Eban that a source the Israelis code-named “Hamlet” was reporting that the Americans had “clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway.”

          Harman repeated the warning three days later, advising Eban, who is now dead, that the White House was “very angry,” and that “the reason for this is that the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American.”

          According to a memoir by then-CIA director Richard Helms, President Johnson’s personal anger was manifest when he discovered the story of the Liberty attack on an inside page of the next day’s New York Times. Johnson barked that “it should have been on the front page!”

          Israeli historian Tom Segev, who mentioned the cables in his recent book “1967,” said other cables showed that Harman’s source for the second cable was Arthur Goldberg, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations.

          The cables, which have been declassified by the Israelis, were obtained from the Israeli State Archive and translated from Hebrew by the Tribune.

          Oliver Kirby, the NSA’s deputy director for operations at the time of the Liberty attack, confirmed the existence of NSA transcripts.

          Asked whether he had personally read such transcripts, Kirby replied, “I sure did. I certainly did.”

          “They said, ‘We’ve got him in the zero,'” Kirby recalled, “whatever that meant — I guess the sights or something. And then one of them said, ‘Can you see the flag?’ They said ‘Yes, it’s U.S, it’s U.S.’ They said it several times, so there wasn’t any doubt in anybody’s mind that they knew it.”

          Kirby, now 86 and retired in Texas, said the transcripts were “something that’s bothered me all my life. I’m willing to swear on a stack of Bibles that we knew they knew.”

          One set of transcripts apparently survived in the archives of the U.S. Army’s intelligence school, then located at Ft. Holabird in Maryland.

          W. Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel who spent eight years as chief of Middle East intelligence for the Defense Intelligence Agency, said the transcripts were used as “course material” in an advanced class for intelligence officers on the clandestine interception of voice transmissions.

          “The flight leader spoke to his base to report that he had the ship in view, that it was the same ship that he had been briefed on and that it was clearly marked with the U.S. flag,” Lang recalled in an e-mail.

          “The flight commander was reluctant,” Lang said in a subsequent interview. “That was very clear. He didn’t want to do this. He asked them a couple of times, ‘Do you really want me to do this?’ I’ve remembered it ever since. It was very striking. I’ve been harboring this memory for all these years.”

          Key NSA tapes said missing

          Asked whether the NSA had in fact intercepted the communications of the Israeli pilots who were attacking the Liberty, Kirby, the retired senior NSA official, replied, “We sure did.”

          On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself.

          Indeed, the declassified documents state that no recordings of the “actual attack” exist, raising questions about the source of the transcripts recalled by Forslund, Gotcher, Block, Porter, Lang and Kirby.

          The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as “the aftermath” of the attack — Israeli communications with two Israeli helicopters dispatched to rescue any survivors who may have jumped into the water.

          Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist aboard a U.S. Navy EC-121, a lumbering propeller-driven aircraft specially equipped to gather electronic intelligence.

          But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day.

          “I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet,” he said. “No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes.”

          At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications “in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked,” Prostinak said. “Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made.”

          Prostinak acknowledged that his Hebrew was not good enough to understand every word being said, but that after the mention of the American flag “the attack did continue. We copied [recorded] it until we got completely out of range. We got a great deal of it.”

          Charles Tiffany, the plane’s navigator, remembers hearing Prostinak on the plane’s intercom system, shouting, “I got something crazy on UHF,” the radio frequency band used by the Israeli Air Force.

          “I’ll never forget it to this day,” said Tiffany, now a retired Florida lawyer. He also remembers hearing the plane’s pilot ordering the NSA linguists to “start taping everything.”

          Prostinak said he and the others aboard the plane had been unaware of the Liberty’s presence 15,000 feet below, but had concluded that the Israelis’ target must be an American ship. “We knew that something was being attacked,” Prostinak said.

          After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there.

          One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01.

          That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing.

          As soon as the EC-121 landed at its base in Athens, Prostinak said, all the tapes were rushed to an NSA facility at the Athens airport where Hebrew translators were standing by.

          “We told them what we had, and they immediately took the tapes and went to work,” recalled Prostinak, who after leaving the Navy became chief of police and then town administrator for the village of Lake Waccamaw, N.C.

          Another linguist aboard the EC-121, who spoke on condition that he not be named, said he believed there had been as many as “five or six” tapes recording the attack on the Liberty or its aftermath.

          Andrea Martino, the NSA’s senior media adviser, did not respond to a question about the apparent conflict between the agency’s assertion that there were no recordings of the Israeli attack and the recollections of those interviewed for this article.

          U.S. inquiry widely criticized

          Rather than investigating how and why a U.S. Navy vessel had been attacked by an ally, the Navy seemed interested in asking as few questions as possible and answering them in record time.

          Even while the Liberty was still limping toward a dry dock in Malta, the Navy convened a formal Court of Inquiry. Adm. John McCain Jr., the commander of U.S. naval forces in Europe and father of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), chose Adm. Isaac Kidd Jr. to preside.

          The court’s charge was narrow: to determine whether any shortcomings on the part of the Liberty’s crew had contributed to the injuries and deaths that resulted from the attack. McCain gave Kidd’s investigators a week to complete the job.

          “That was a shock,” recalled retired Navy Capt. Ward Boston, the inquiry’s counsel, who said he and Kidd had estimated that a thorough inquiry would take six months.

          “Everyone was kind of stunned that it was handled so quickly and without much hullabaloo,” said G. Patrick March, then a member of McCain’s staff in London.

          Largely because of time constraints, Boston said, the investigators were unable to question many of the survivors, or to visit Israel and interview any Israelis involved in the attack.

          Rear Adm. Merlin Staring, the Navy’s former judge advocate general, was asked to assess the American inquiry’s report before it was sent to Washington. But Staring said it was taken from him when he began to question some aspects of the report. He describes it now as “a hasty, superficial, incomplete and totally inadequate inquiry.”

          Staring, who is among those calling for a full congressional investigation on behalf of the Liberty’s survivors, observed in an interview that the inquiry report contained several “findings of fact” unsupported by testimony or evidence.

          One such finding ignored the testimony of several inquiry witnesses that the American flag was flying during the attack, and held that the “available evidence combines to indicate the attack on LIBERTY on 8 June was in fact a case of mistaken identity.”

          There are also apparent omissions in the inquiry’s report. It does not include, for example, the testimony of a young lieutenant, Lloyd Painter, who was serving as officer of the deck when the attack began. Painter said he testified that an Israeli torpedo boat “methodically machine-gunned one of our life rafts” that had been put over the side by crewmen preparing to abandon ship.

          Painter, who spent 32 years as a Secret Service agent after leaving the Navy, charged that his testimony about the life rafts was purposely omitted.

          Ward Boston recalled that, after McCain’s one-week deadline expired, Kidd took the record compiled by the inquiry “and flew back to Washington, and I went back to Naples,” the headquarters of the 6th Fleet.

          “Two weeks later, he comes back to Naples and calls me from his office,” Boston recalled in an interview. “In that deep voice, he said, ‘Ward, they aren’t interested in the facts. It’s a political issue and we have to put a lid on it. We’ve been ordered to shut up.’

          “It’s time for the truth to come out,” declared Boston, who is now 84. “There have been so many cover-ups.”

          “Someday the truth of this will come out,” said Dennis Eikleberry, a NSA technician aboard the Liberty. “Someday it will, but we’ll all be gone.”

          James Ennes, now 74, who was officer of the deck just before the attack began, and later spent two months in a body cast, is one of the more vocal survivors. Like the others, Ennes is tired of waiting.

          “We want both sides to stop lying,” he said.

          – – –

          How the attack unfolded

          National Security Agency documents recount the hours leading up to, during and after the attack on the USS Liberty by Israeli forces that killed 34.

          EVENTS OF JUNE 8, 1967

          6 a.m. An Israeli reconnaissance plane spots an unidentified ship 70 miles west of Tel Aviv.

          9 a.m. A second Israeli reconnaissance plane spots an unidentified ship 20 miles north of El-Arish. Liberty’s position is plotted on a map in green, designating a “neutral ship.”

          10:55 a.m. A naval liaison officer at Israeli Air Force headquarters informs Israeli Naval Headquarters that the previously unidentified ship is an “audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy” named Liberty.

          11 a.m. The acting chief of Israeli naval operations orders removal of Liberty from a plot table because he is no longer certain of its position.

          11:30 a.m. The Israeli Navy receives an erroneous report that El-Arish is being shelled from the sea.

          12:05 p.m. Three motor torpedo boats (MTBs) are ordered to proceed toward El-Arish.

          THE ATTACK ON THE LIBERTY

          1:56 p.m. Two Israeli Mirage III aircraft, followed by two Super Mystere aircraft, begin their attack on the Liberty.

          2:14 p.m. The chief Israeli air controller in Tel Aviv tells the controller who is directing the attack on the Liberty that the ship is “apparently American.”

          2:20 p.m. The Israeli naval commander orders the commander of the Torpedo Boat Division to attack the Liberty. At almost the same time, the Naval Operations Branch orders: “Do not attack. It is possible that the aircraft have not identified correctly.” The commander of the Torpedo Boat Division says he never got any order to cease the attack, although the deputy commander says he passed the message to the commander.

          2:24 p.m. Liberty sights three MTBs 4-5 miles away and closing fast.

          2:26 p.m. Liberty raises its largest American flag, the “Holiday colors.”

          2:27 p.m. Three torpedo boats begin strafing the Liberty and launch their six torpedoes.

          2:28 p.m. Five torpedoes miss the ship, but one strikes the Liberty’s right side, leaving a 39-foot hole.

          THE AFTERMATH

          2:29 p.m. Starting time for an NSA tape of Israeli communications after the attack. A previous tape, which presumably would have captured the air and torpedo attacks, is missing.

          3:07 p.m. Israeli helicopters sent to rescue Liberty crewman from the sea arrive and “orbit” the heavily damaged vessel.

          3:12 p.m. The helicopters’ communications with the ground are intercepted by an American aircraft circling high above the scene. One helicopter pilot reports that he sees an American flag flying from the Liberty’s mast.

          3:16 p.m. An Israeli ground controller orders the helicopters to return to El Arish

          Sources: National Security Agency documents, Tribune reporting

          Chicago Tribune

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      • sai

        It’s what they do..

      • sai
        • Joanie Kahl

          I urge all to study one question about ‘jews’….ask WHICH jews…..the rothschilds and their friends involvement with the country Israel…or….the traditional biblical roots of the jewish Israel…….simple question…big difference…..

      • Nowpower

        Just win baby! Israel will do whatever is required to advance her interests. Unfortunately, the US gubmint is under Israel’s thumb.

      • Forrest Carlton Lackey

        The fact that the video used as proof was taken down is DAMN suspicious.

      • bob

        u tube link “this video does not exist” I wonder why ?

      • The survivors of this attack have a facebook page to try and bring some truth to the lies:
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      • freespeechalways

        Not the first time the U.S government turned its back on America servicemen. They did it in WWII when they had a chance to rescue the POWs of the Baatan death march and chose not to. My mother’s cousin was one of those POWs.

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      • Paydirtindustries Inc

        These are some interesting points raised in this article. The way technology is being used today in conjunction with software is heading towards a new classification of gadgets all together. the ability now through social media to instantly communicate ideas in a open source arena for people to build upon each others ideas for a greater purpose of product design is being lost in the battles between corporations and intellectual property. Having software seamlessly paired with electronic devices is where the future of technology is headed.

      • David Sketchley

        George Wilson – classic ostrich. Bury yr head in the sand. Doesn’t want to know the facts. Prefers to live in cloud cuckoo land.

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      • VooDoo6Actual

        Funny how to do this day people still try to marginalize TRUTH… which of course has no agenda or temperature BUT then are the first ones to point the finger to TinFoil Hat brigade which are turning out to actually being more factual & true than not. We have a sick & toxic society that thinks TRUTH is Kryptonite….The Trolls & dis info C4ISR agents well chime in & do their damage to truth for their purpose of Manufactured consent, Social Hacking, Agitprop, CSI or Cultural Socioeconomic Interception etc. NeoCons & ZioCons hate truth….

      • efd271

        We all know what happened. Israel in another false flag attempt treid to get the US in a war with Egypt. As, they did in the ” Levon Affair” in 1954 Cairo, Egypt.

        Thi is the same ruthless Zionits that sacraficed over 200 women and children, refugee Jews from Europe on the SS Patria, in an attempt to gain sympathy for their cause by trying to blame the Arab/Palestinains for its bombing.

        As, fas as 911. Well there were over 100 Israeli nationals arrsested right after that day, not Arabs, Egytian, French, Mexican or any other nationals.

      • Eric11210

        Yeah, because Al Jazeera, the All Jihad network is reliable. If you believe that nonsense, I’ve got a bridge to sell you. It’s got a lovely view of my hometown of Brooklyn.

        • efd271

          Al Jazeera just published the work. They did not create it or do the investigation…..

          “Israeli messages intercepted on June 8, 1967, leave no doubt that sinking the USS Liberty was the mission assigned to the attacking Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats as the Six-Day War raged in the Middle East. Let me repeat: there is no doubt – none – that the mission of the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) was to destroy the USS Liberty and kill its entire crew.” – former CIA analyst Ray McGovern.

          Enough said.

          • Eric11210

            Considering that there is not a single real network which has picked up this story and considering that if it were true we’d see it splashed across The New York Times, CNN and the Washington Post, I maintain that this is utter nonsense. Now about that bridge I’ve got for sale. I can let you have it very cheap…

            • richard

              The new york times, CNN and the Washington Post are the most Pro-Israeli sources you can find. Dont start with this bullshit you zionist

              • efd271

                Considering that the Levon Affair that was just as notorious and blatant, hardly was mentioned in the Main Media in 1954……..It does not suprise me that American Media which has it share of Zionist/Jews at it helm would not make mention of this story.

                Lastly, while we all know the truth, John McCain willl do his utmost to see it not reach the ears of Americans. And, I am sure you know why? Do you not?

                I will take the word of the American sailors over your hasbara narrative.

              • Eric11210

                And now we know why you believe insane conspiracy theories.

      • George Wilson

        I stopped reading this tripe after “This is the definition of a ‘false flag‘. (can you say 9/11?)”

        • Daniel

          George- You should read the declassified Operation Northwoods docs on http://www.archives.gov if you aren’t familiar with State Sponsored terrorism and False Flags. 9/11 was as obvious as False Flag Attacks get to anyone with half a brain who has done a lick of independent research.

          • efd271

            May I suggest the ” Levon Affair.” As, a great example of a false flag operation by Isarel that bares the Israeli defence ministers name.

        • Blake

          Yawn. Some clueless shabbot goy who has swallowed the propaganda or just one of the eastern European con artists with a fake anglo name

          • efd271

            May I suggest the ” Levon Affair.” As, a great example of a false flag operation by Isarel that bares the Israeli defence ministers name.

        • efd271

          As, a great example of a false flag operation by Isarel that bares the Israeli defence ministers name.

          Explain the Levon Affair of 1954 Cairo, Egypt.

          Or, the SS Patria?

        • Benito Camela

          I suggest you do some research on Operation Gladio as well, with numerous mysterious and false flag bombings and shootings across Europe from the 50s to the 80s, all carried out by NATO leave-behind forces and financed and trained by the US and Britain.