Do The Math: Global War On Terror Has Killed 4 Million Muslims Or More

A recent study suggests the “War on Terror” has had two million victims, but reporter Nafeez Ahmed claims this may be only a fraction of the total dead from Western wars.
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    In this Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004 file photo, a man is questioned in the living room of his home during a raid by the 82nd Airborne Division near Fallujah, Iraq.

    In this Wednesday, Jan. 14, 2004 file photo, a man is questioned in the living room of his home during a raid by the 82nd Airborne Division near Fallujah, Iraq.


    WASHINGTON — A study released earlier this year revealed the shocking death toll of the United States’s “War on Terror” since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, but the true body count could be even higher.

    Published in March by Physicians for Social Responsibility, the study, conducted by a team that included some Nobel Prize winners, determined that at least 1.3 million people have died as a result of war since Sept.11, 2001, but the real figure might be as high as two million. The study was an attempt to “close the gaps” in existing research, including studies like the Iraq Body Count,” which puts the number of violent deaths in that country at about 219,000 since 2003, based on media reports of the time period.

    Investigative journalist Nafeez Ahmed, writing in April for Middle East Eye, explained some of the ways the previous figures fell short, according to the physicians’ research:

    “For instance, although 40,000 corpses had been buried in Najaf since the launch of the war, IBC [Iraq Body Count] recorded only 1,354 deaths in Najaf for the same period. That example shows how wide the gap is between IBC’s Najaf figure and the actual death toll – in this case, by a factor of over 30.

    Such gaps are replete throughout IBC’s database. In another instance, IBC recorded just three airstrikes in a period in 2005, when the number of air attacks had in fact increased from 25 to 120 that year. Again, the gap here is by a factor of 40.”

    The physicians behind the study also praised a controversial report from the medical journal The Lancet that placed the toll count far higher than that of Iraq Body Count, at closer to one million dead. In addition to the war in Iraq, the PSR study added additional victims from other countries where the United States has waged war:

    “To this, the PSR study adds at least 220,000 in Afghanistan and 80,000 in Pakistan, killed as the direct or indirect consequence of US-led war: a ‘conservative’ total of 1.3 million. The real figure could easily be ‘in excess of 2 million’.”

    These figures may still be underestimating the real death toll, according to Ahmed. These studies only account for the victims of violent conflict, but not the many more who will die as a result of the damage war brings to crucial infrastructure, from roads to farms to hospitals — not to mention devastating sanctions like those placed on Iraq after the first Gulf War in 1991. He continues:

    Undisputed UN figures show that 1.7 million Iraqi civilians died due to the West’s brutal sanctions regime, half of whom were children.

    The mass death was seemingly intended. Among items banned by the UN sanctions were chemicals and equipment essential for Iraq’s national water treatment system. A secret US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) document discovered by Professor Thomas Nagy of the School of Business at George Washington University amounted, he said, to ‘an early blueprint for genocide against the people of Iraq.’”

    Similar figures for Afghanistan, he reports, could bring totals to four million or more.

    As Ahmed points out in his article, the majority of those killed in these wars and those suffering most from these wars, statistically speaking, were Muslim — a stark contrast to the common view that radical Muslim terrorists are the deadliest group in the Middle East. Rather, it would seem the American military are the worst killers, and the death toll resembles religious genocide. In 2009, Stephen M. Walt, a professor of international relations at Harvard, wrote in Foreign Policy:

    “How many Muslims has the United States killed in the past thirty years, and how many Americans have been killed by Muslims? Coming up with a precise answer to this question is probably impossible, but it is also not necessary, because the rough numbers are so clearly lopsided.”

    Or, as Ben Affleck famously quipped to Bill Maher last year: “We’ve killed more Muslims than they’ve killed us by an awful lot.”

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      • Peter Like

        More Jewish instigated Genocide of the Middle East so they can grab their Lebensraum and be the true masters of their domain.

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      • Anuj Bhardwaj

        Mohammad start this fight , terrorist and Islam share same values , Mohammad killed billions of people …karma will get sooner or later …

        • Guest

          Well, not quite billions. The Islamic Militant expansionism and terrorism, from inception of the Koran until modern times, has taken approximately 300 million lives. Approximately double the number of deaths from all other military conflicts combined throughout history.

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      • Guest

        This is Karma catching up with demonic cult of death that needs to be exterminated. Let’s start at the beginning and add the number of non Muslim victims of violent Islamic expansionism from the time of Mohammed’s invasion of Medina. Since then over 500 major military incursions into eastern and western Europe, India, Asia, and Africa resulted in a quarter billion non Muslim deaths. After the approximate 5 Crusades that drove the Barbarians out of Spain and Europe, the Arab Islamic militants continued to pirate European and American ships and engage in wholesale slavery of both Black Africans and the very prized Blond Anglo European women of which it is estimated over a million were captured and sold. President Jefferson took military action to stop the Islamic piracy, which incredibly still goes on today, including the female slave trade in certain Islamic countries. We know the history of the slave trade in which a multitude of European colonies and American states engaged in resulting in another few million deaths at the hands of the Islamic states that oversaw their capture and selling.

        Add to that the approximate 2500 attempted or successful Islamic terrorist attacks a year in the modern era that has killed approximately 50,000 non Muslim’s combined with the non Muslim collateral deaths in the modern internecine conflicts and containment by western military’s, and you end up with nearly a third of a billion deaths due to the barbaric doctrines of the Koran and orthodox fundamentalist Islam. More than double the rest of the world’s victims from other political or religious conflicts. The efforts to downplay non western non Muslim victims, such as India’s 80 million, is disingenuous. Islam has been the most vicious and barbaric killing machine in history and payback just might be apocalyptic.

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      • Brad Sharp

        What a shame. If there is a murdering Muslim still alive on the planet, the job is not finished.

        • Visitor

          your day is coming, just as the previous empires were wiped out by Muslims, so too shall be yours.

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      • Codfish Jones

        Moslems have murdered over 270 million over the last 1400 years.

        • kadag

          the link of this study?

          • Codfish Jones

            It’s not a study—-just history. About 120 million in Africa, 80 M Hindus, 60 M Christians, 10 M Buddhists, annihilated the Zoroastrians.

          • Codfish Jones

            Also, Moe Ham Mud probably understood his religion fairly well. Look at all the violence he and his thugs perpetrated while he was still alive. Attacked and pillaged a caravan, sacked Medina–where his god said to murder so many men, they were cutting off heads for 10 hours. There’s a book by a muslim called ’23 Years’—he was murdered for writing it. Also, check the work of Robert Spencer…very knowledgeable and his stuff is heavily documented from their own writings. There are many others….look around, you’ll see.

          • Codfish Jones
          • Codfish Jones

            Who’s deleting my comments?


            Moslems aren’t the victims of anything but their own depredations.

          • Codfish Jones

            It’s not a study, it’s history.


        America better be prepared when the Chinese start making their war on you.

        • shadson

          Why? Because their ships will break as soon as they are released in the water, or their infrastructure will continue to destroy itself? China’s biggest problem is they are even greedier than the US and think building things faster is better than building things good. LMAO. If that isn’t enough they seem content with poisoning themselves, their country and the world more and more. Yep, huge threat.

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      • Philip Neilson

        In Iraq alone, the infighting between the Shia and the Sunni Muslims has caused over a million deaths, throw in the Kurds and the Christians, well, the number is unbelievable. When Desert Storm went into Southern Iraq near Kuwait, the entire area was basically depopulated by Saddam using chemical weapons for years because they were Shia, and he was Sunni. As were the Iranians. Much of the fighting in the middle east is because of the division between these two sects. And the Saudis encourage all this, so they can retain their control of the Persian Gulf area. Saddam was probably responsible for over 3 million deaths of other Muslims and Kurds and Christians before 9/11. The Iranians killed a lot of Iraqis, and have been killing off their own citizens with their secret police and the religious police. Pakistan has funded the al Qaida in Afghanistan as well, The Muslims in Africa were selling those they could capture into slavery for a thousand years. Those they couldn’t capture were killed. After 700 AD, the Mediterranean was an Islamic lake with piracy and slavery backed by the local emirs (Remember T. Jefferson and the “shores of Tripoli?). The Muslim pirates were raiding as far north as Ireland and England. For a short period of time, Islam was very open minded and that lead to great libraries and medical and educational advances (about 900 AD to 1050 AD), but then backward, tribal leaders took over the Caliphate, and it has gone downhill since then. Currently ISIL is killing everyone that doesn’t agree with them, following the prophet’s instructions and lead.
        The funny thing about this is that much of the Quran greatly resembles parts of the Christian gospels that were discarded by the First Council of Nicaea. These lost gospels have been found recently, many of them Gnostic and are still discredited by Rome, but there are many similarities between several of them and the Quran.

        • kadag

          the deaths started when mama America destroyed iraqi gov and left it without army or policemen, stop trying to show us how innocent America is.

          • Codfish Jones

            Actually, the deaths started with Moe Ham Mud. He was a murderer, child molester, thief, liar, fornicator and blasphemer. Read ’23 Years’ by a former moslem (who was murdered for his efforts). Read the quotes of Ayatolla Ruhollah Khomeini. The koran is a poorly written, tedious, self contradictory and boring read. They’ve murdered about 270 million over the last 1400 years. Look at

            • Guest

              An equally profound expose of Islamic militancy can be found at PhD. Bill Warners Political Islam site and the American Thinker. Also, check out Bethany Blankley’s essays on the unconstitutional, illegal status of Sharia and Mosques. She’s a graduate in both Political Science and Theology.
              Keep up the good work and spreading the truth about the demonic cult of death. I think I responded to one of your other posts but I’ll repeat my latest clarification on the definition of political and religious Islam, which so called Muslim scholars claim cannot be separated, (because political Islam dictates every aspect of a Muslims life):
              Political Islam: Totalitarian Fascist Theocratic Militant Cult
              Religious Islam: Totalitarian Fascist Theocratic Militant Cult!

              • Codfish Jones

                Thank you for the references!—-good info. I’m glad the truth is getting out about this. God bless!

        • Guest

          If you’ve studied the origins, history, politics and theology of Islam through modern critical analysis and read the Koran then you should know that any similarities between Christianity and Islam are strictly superficial. I’m not familiar with these “lost Gospels” but if they have any origin derived from the Jewish Talmud there may be some more parallel doctrines. However careful study of the OT reveals the God of the Judeo Christian Bible is not the god the Koran. In fact the authors of the Koran deliberately defined their god as the antithesis of the Judeo Christian God.

          Read the Genesis Scripture’s of how Ishmael, considered the father of the Arab tribes, rejected Abraham’s covenant with God through the Melchizadek Priest. Ishmael was exiled and an Angelic messenger informed him he and his descendants would be curse for all time to raise their hand (sword) against all mankind. Islam’s founder has historically been linked to Ishmael’s tribe. A remarkable prophecy considering the 1st five books have been determined by scholars to have been written nearly 2 millenniums before the Koran. Some believe Moses was the author and or scribes and followers.

          The point is Islam is founded upon the tradition’s of Ishmael that rejected the Abrahamic covenant
          As a student of Theology for over 40 years with a background in comparative religions of course I have read the Bible several times as well as several translations of the Koran. Enlightened Arab scholars reject the Koran out of hand as heretical perversions of true religious ideals with Mohammed a militant fanatic. Some liken the character of Allah as described in the Koran as that of Lucifer with his false prophet messenger the personification of the AntiChrist.

          Very few people have the perseverance to read the Koran cover to cover. It is a mind numbing diatribe of cult supremacism, hate and intolerance of all “infidels,” and the obsessive compulsion to plunder, rape and exterminate (genocide) any all Faiths that will not submit and prostrate themselves before their “Koran,” it’s god and founder. The book then traps it’s adherents into the barbaric 7th century Orwellian state of mind by claiming the contents are the “inviolate” word of their god and by virtue of their blasphemy and heresy laws it is a capital offense to attempt to reform or change the literal interpretation. It is also a capital offense to deliberately damage a Koran or insult the “false prophet.”

          I recommend the online dissertation “The Qur’an, An Apologetic Paper,” by Joseph Smith as the best scriptural comparative analysis. The authors name is a pseudonym and I suspect he is a British Middle Eastern convert. Apparently fluent in Arabic tongues he expose’s the false claims of Muslims of the Divine origins of the Koran and the doctrines that drives it’s followers into homicidal fits of rage. I also recommend Ali Sina’s “The Cult of Islam,” in which he uses the modern psychological method to prove Islam is a brainwashed cult, not a true religion. Politically, check out Bethany Blankley’s Constitution website, and her essays. She’s a political science and theology graduate. American Thinker, Daniel Greenfield, Frank Gaffney, Robert Spencer, PhD. Bill Warners Political Islam, and Islam’s Military history are mind opening revelations. Also look up the spoon fed propaganda from duplicitous Muslins of the definitions of Sharia and Jihad. Then read a truly objective expose.’

          If you do your due diligence it’s hard not come to the conclusion that Islam is still too fundamentally primitive, barbaric and violent to assimilate or coexist in modern western civilization. I’ve taken to offering these definitions of Islam to try a clear up the confusions regarding their politics and their religion which Muslim “scholars” candidly admit they cannot separate since political Islam dictates every aspect of a Muslims life:
          Political Islam: Totalitarian Fascist Theocratic Militant Cult.
          Religious Islam: Totalitarian Fascist Theocratic Militant Cult.

      • Peanutzdad

        Even more heinous once you realize 9/11 was a false flag, with just one of its goals being the demonization of that entire group.

        • Guest

          Pure Taqiyya and Kitman. Lies and propaganda by Islamic apologists. The whole false flag concept is from the far left communist, Islamists, anarchist, anti American and anti Christian traitors that create these fantasies out of whole cloth to demonize and deceive the gullible who for whatever reason have an ax to grind with the Judeo Christian principles of our Constitution and Democratic Republic.

          And yes, Jet fuel combined with certain synthetic plastics can melt steel. Why else do plane crashes that make direct impacts look like everything in the radius of the fire have been totally cremated! Common sense chemistry.

      • Debby Seven

        I hope we’re killing more islamic terrorists than they have killed civilized, 21st century people. As usual, Ben Afleck is a coward and has no idea what the term terrorist means. Let him live with the terrorists and see what “man” he is.

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      • viking116

        Had the Muslim scum gone after these monsters when they went after their fellow citizens who were Christian/Hindu/Jewish/Yazidi/Buddhists/etc., and stopped them then, then Muslims might not be dying. But they didn’t care then, did they?

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      • Alex

        Where did the 4 million number come from!?

        • Ronald Lewis

          I ask the same question with the Jews, where did the six million come from?

          • viking116

            The meticulous records of the Nazis PLUS the decrease in Jewish population pre- and post-war.

        • WithheldName

          1-2 million in Iraq, 1-2 million in Afghanistan, plus all the other countries

      • SuperDave2

        Only 4 million? Crap, I’m disappointed !

        • Frog House

          This is what’s wrong with the world

        • Concerned Citizen

          Only 1.3 billion left. Better get to load-n

          • Dado Simic

            2.8 billions to be precise,but only fragmet of them are extremist and 2/3 countries in complete 1/3 of planet earth population.Keep that in you brainwashed mind.

        • Amal

          Wow! Comments like yours truly show where humanity is heading!

          • SuperDave2

            Dragged there by Stinking Islam!

            • Jacob Sharp

              Racist people like you are the problem with the world

              • SuperDave2

                No, It’s brain-dead idiots like you!

              • SuperDave2

                Jacob, What ‘Race’ is Islam?

          • SuperDave2

            Moslems started this war, 1400 years ago….I will help see it ended, with the elimination of Islam! Where Islam flourishes, humanity dies!

            • Dado Simic

              You are brainwashed idiot.

              • ILove2Spam

                You’re a malleable tool.

        • James

          4 million sounds like a good start.

      • earwax_

        in 1914 Christian Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated by a Muslim.
        This caused WW1 which resulted in 35 million deaths.
        WW1 caused WW2 which resulted in 60 million deaths.
        WW2 resulted in the Soviet Union and the spread of Communism in Asia
        Deaths caused by the Soviet Union: unknown
        Korean War deaths: 5 million and rising
        Vietnam War deaths estimated 1.3 million
        Deaths caused by Communist China: unknown and rising
        Deaths from war and ethnic cleansing in Southern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union: Unknown
        They complain 4 million Muslims dead because of US military in 30 years. I see at least 100 million humans dead because of 1 Muslim in the last 100 years.
        What is happening today is the result of a Muslim killing Archduke Ferdinand.
        Muhammad would probably roll over in his grave if he new what his children did to divide Islam and cause all of this.
        Peace be with you all. Respect each other and forgive those who don’t.

        • termbb4

          The assassin of archduke Ferdinand was Christian, your lies won’t break facts buddy.
          So basically it is a Christian who caused over 100 million deaths.

          Nice try bud, better luck next time.

          • Ronald Lewis

            More like a Communist/Jew who pulled the trigger buddy.. I say the same for you, get you facts strait

            • viking116

              Serb. Christian. But keep trying, No-Knowledge-Boy-Clown. He wanted Serbia free of Austrian rule.

        • Bryan Mulema

          The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne, and his wife Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, occurred on 28 June 1914 in Sarajevo when they were shot dead by Gavrilo Princip

        • Gavrilo Princip was a Yugoslav who assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria and his wife, Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, in Sarajevo on 28 June 1914. … They belonged to a class of Christian peasants known as kmets (serfs), who were often oppressed by their Muslim landlords. Petar, who insisted on ” strict …

        • Austin Maritimo

          I believe you are wrong. A son of Christian parents killed Archduke Ferdinand. Read this: Gavrilo Princip killed Archduke Ferdinand.

        • RzzRBladez of Occam

          In the last months of WWI The US had to be part of it, while after Operation Michael it was clear that neither France nor the UK could win from Germany. There was thus only one army capable to make Germany sign the Versailles treaty, the US army, and the reasons why the US had to be part of that war was very simple, as calculated by Maj. Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler in his book “War is a racket” 2100% profit on American war profiteering.

          The Marshall of France Ferdinand Foche spoke these words after reading the Versailles Treaty: “This is not war, this is an armistice for 20 years.” Twenty years and 64 days later Hitler attacked Poland, as designed by the treaty, and American efforts to radicalize Germany. Where did the Nuremberg laws of 1935 originate? American laws brought to Germany by Dr. Laughlin in 1934 and for that deed he got himself an honorary doctorate of the University of Heidelberg, which he could obtain from the Rockefeller Institute, which at that time employed a Dr. Joseph Mengele…….

          What I see is that George Carlin was right, “Germany lost the war,the Nazis won.” What is the nation that for the longest times has identified itself with the Fasces? You can see this symbol standing guard next to stars and stripes in the US senate, on various coins above each doorway in the Oval Office and under Lincoln’s hands, fasces for the fascists

          Father Coughlin US Bishop: “Fascism is a Christian democracy.”

          There is only one country that is the problem the United States of Auschwitz…….

          • Guest

            Boy, I’ve read some twisted revisionist history before, but this myopic, undeveloped convoluted hyperbole takes the cake. History takes place in a multi – dimensional, rubics cube, chess like configuration, with numerous facets, forces and events, convienntly left out of your linear, checkers like naive jump to conclusions from some obviously very limited and I’ll informed sources.

        • Peter Like

          The Black Hand were mostly likely Crypto Jews born of the cult of Sabbatai Zevi. Even to blame all the wars opn one muslim is highly naive

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      • John Smith

        Barely scratched the surface. Humanity needs to work out a faster way to kill more of them.

        • Frog House

          Are you retarded what is your depiction of humanity if you’re talking about wiping out innocent lives ?

          • viking116

            Explain “innocent lives” who attacked/raped/enslaved/killed/expelled all non-Muslims from their areas or are still doing so? Do they rise up in Pakistan when a Christian is accused of the old “blasphemy against the Prophet?” No, not even in this day and age.

        • Amal

          I cannot believe how barbarically heartless people have become. Are you truly advocating for innocent people to be killed? My esteem for Americans has plummeted radically after reading your disgusting comment.

          • Emily in Sewell

            Please don’t judge all Americans by these malicious people.

            • RzzRBladez of Occam

              Why not?

              Laos, unprovoked war Americancers murder 1.2 million farmers
              Cambodia unprovoked war, Americancers murder 2.5 million farmers USA supports Pol Pot until 1991
              Vietnam, unprovoked war, Americancers murder 5 million MLK speaks of concentration camps
              North Korea, in just a few months of occupation Americancers murder 4 million civilians.

              Why not judge people for what they are? Cancer upon the face of this planet, the disease that spreads from the USA has murdered more people than Stalin and Hitler combined and that is only from 1945 until now.

              Read Noam Chomsky’s 1990 essay, “If the Nuremberg laws were applied”

              If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American
              president would have been hanged. By violation of the Nuremberg laws I
              mean the same kind of crimes for which people were hanged in Nuremberg.
              And Nuremberg means Nuremberg and Tokyo. So first of all you’ve got to
              think back as to what people were hanged for at Nuremberg and Tokyo. And
              once you think back, the question doesn’t even require a moment’s waste
              of time. For example, one general at the Tokyo trials, which were the
              worst, General Yamashita, was hanged on the grounds that troops in the
              Philippines, which were technically under his command (though it was so
              late in the war that he had no contact with them — it was the very end
              of the war and there were some troops running around the Philippines who
              he had no contact with), had carried out atrocities, so he was hanged.
              Well, try that one out and you’ve already wiped out everybody.

              Tell me, when it is OK to bomb German babies because they are Nazis, than why would it be wrong to judge you for what you are?

              The only good Americancer is dead Americancer.

              • Guest

                Obviously you haven’t read much real history. Somehow your mind has been taken over by the radical socialist ideologies of some revisionist anti Christian, anti American, atheist, cult authors of fictitious history. Have you read the Communist Manifesto, the Koran, (comparative religions studies), the Bible, the Federalist Papers, (Constitution), or studied the statistics of who the real perpetrators of mass military (genocidal) deaths are?

                First, as to the assassin, Gavrilo, of the Archduke, his motivation was not religious, it was ethnic and political. At 19 years of age he had no real sense of values, since he was dying of tuberculosis, and had become politically radicalized by the spreading communist movement. He was operating with the belief that the aristocratic Austria -Hungary government needed to be thrown off and that all Slavic people’s should unite, regardless of their religious faith. He was a naive, immature tool of political operatives that were seeking power through revolution. WWI was the first step in which the modern forces of socialism, ethnicity and ultimately democracy clashed in an effort to reshape the political theology of Eastern and Western Europe.

                Meanwhile, lurking in the shadows after 1400 years of having unleashed the most horrific killing machine during its peak of militant expansionism, Islam had succumbed to the superior technology of the west. But not until after their genocidal reign up to the late Middle Ages, “murdered” a quarter billion of every nationality and faith that surrounded them. 500 military incursions starting with Medina, invading India, Europe, North Africa, the Ottoman Empire, and parts of Asia. It took only approximately 5 Crusades to push them back to the Middle East, and because they could not settle their internecine conflicts, they could not hold the Ottoman Empire. They were pushed out because of their barbaric fascist political militancy, inferior intellects, and they couldn’t assimilate or take advantage of the evolving technologies of the times.

                As the Islamofascist empire declined an equally deviant ideology, anti Christian and atheist, Communism, emerged to become the number one global principality of evil. All of the deaths you want to ascribe to American intervention, in an effort to prevent the totalitarian supremacist doctrine’s of Communism from their goal of world conquest, were as much the result of the civil/political wars within the Asian countries you cite, of the forces of democracy vs the communist’s. The “free” western world sided with those who saw it as the superior political ideology, while their brethren sided with the Communist’s. Just like our Civil War, they fought each other over political, economic and religious ideals. American Christian’s fought along side of Asian Buddhists and other “faiths,” so they could preserve their culture, not have it destroyed by modern totalitarianism. Whose evolution through Stalin resulted in political purges and genocidal killing that resulted in the murders of 20 million plus. I notice you don’t hold any of the military incursions around the world by Communism responsible for anything. Whereas the true “cancerous” ideologies, sharing the same totalitarian traits of “fascism,” subservience to the state and to barbaric, draconian laws of oppression, are Islam and Communism.

                To suggest that Christian democracy as defined by Hitler has anything to do with the Judeo Christian principles of America’s Constitutional Democratic Republic and Founder’s is the height of illiterate absurdity. Hitler fabricated a distorted and perverted “occult” militant sect of fanaticism, “Mein Kampf,” that had nothing to do with the modern “discernment” theology that emerged from the Renaissance enlightenment. A philosophy adopted and refined by America’s Founders, who universally attributed their personal success and inspiration for our founding documents to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

                Unfortunately, innocents are victims on both sides of any conflict in which war erupts. To suggest one side is more culpable because they win is hypocritical and disingenuous.
                Any country or party engaged in war in which individuals are killed can be accused of “war crimes.” It all depends upon your bias. Although there is a vast difference between the humanitarian code’s of western militaries that try to restrain personal barbarism, and the fanatic totalitarian cults that see human life as fodder for the state or the cause. Where the real statistics emerge, as I noted you might want to look up the number of combined mass “killings” by Communism as the estimates range from 20 million to 70 million. The United States hasn’t approached even a fraction of that in it’s entire history of conflicts.

                In spite of the propaganda America’s military involvement around the world has been primarily defensive, to protect groups or countries that sought our help to maintain or achieve personal and national freedoms. America’s efforts have not always been perfectly motivated or executed, but the underlying ideology is altruistic and between western democracies mankind has seen more individual freedom, liberty and opportunities than under any other system’s of government. As to the underlying principles of modern Democratic Republics, the radical variations of political theology, and the social repercussions of following authors of fanatic cult interpretation’s of history and politics, you might want to extend your research and scholarship beyond the narrow confines of the myopic, delusional far left literary genre you’re currently mired in.
                Good Luck.
                Editor: Political Theology
                The True Nature of Principalities and Ideological Conflicts.

      • John Partridge

        nice try but we’re not to blame for sectarian violence

        • viking116

          They’ve been at war for 1500 years.

        • RzzRBladez of Occam

          Nice try, but you are, for one reason because Saddam used to be your puppet and for another reason, Lawrence of Arabia had to move heaven and Earth to get a Muslim to pick up his weapons, and now after a century of American and British involvement in that region one cannot make them drop their weapons.

          Probably through Operations like TPAJAX and such, Operations by CIA and MI6 using terrorism as their means, where oh where, did the Muslims learn that trick?

          Guilty as sin.

          • John Partridge

            Saddam did a pretty good job and quashing native muslim violence, it’s why in that war the greatest death toll wasn’t coalition bombs killing civilians but.. sectarian violence.

          • tasharina1

            Lawrence of Arabia led an Arabian attack on the Ottoman Empire, which were enemies of Britain and the Arabians. This successfully freed Arabia from Ottoman suzerainty and control.

            Muslims have killed more Muslims than any others put together. Plus, some governments and people have asked America to come help protect them. Especially the Kurds, whom Hussein, not the Obama one, was committing genocide on. Muslims target their own civilians and use them as shields and America tries to minimize any civilian casualties. American troops also save Muslim civilians and bring them food and medical help and helps them rebuild infrastructures, such as hospitals and schools destroyed by Muslims. Americans go over there risking their lives and die and have their heads copped off trying to get food and aid to cities destroyed by Muslims. Right now, they are having problems getting to the starved and decimated people of Aleppo, whom the Muslims are committing genocide on. They are also committing genocide on the Christians and Jews in the Middle East. America, if not restrained, could wipe out the whole area, but unlike Islam, don’t want to destroy whole countries, but free those countries from radicalized Muslims and stop the genocide for humanitarian reasons and for what is in the best interest of America, the West the Middle East and the rest of the world that is being terrorized by them.

            I am going to believe what the leaders of Islam have said. They have repeatedly said their goal is to destroy the West and put all of the world under Islam and that includes the Muslims who want to live in peace with the rest of the world. They have told us how they are going to do it and are doing what they said they would do. They are doing a great job of it too and are succeeding in carrying out their threats, which the rest of the world isn’t laughing at anymore.

            • Ernie Kasper

              Very well said… (thumbs up)

          • Jo

            Muslims have been at war since Muhammad

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      • Neil Tana

        Most of them are innocent “human beings”!!! If a fraction of that number were US citizens we would have a nuclear war. No media coverage of these deaths. A significant portion of them were probably women and children. We did a smaller version of this in South America. Get the countries into debt, they cannot pay, send in the American corporations to save the day but steal the resources, local government sees the BS and starts resisting, America sends in the CIA to find and arm people who would want the power, start the media machine to demonize the government, force the overthrow of the government, put in a puppet, bring in the corporations, enslave the population… in then end the people of the country are in greater poverty than when they started and they owe all their resources and land to American mulinational companies. Brilliant plan.

        • dcm

          A fraction of that number provoked attacking the wrong countries, so yes.

        • richbpink

          Most honest and truthful reply i have ever seen well said !

        • Buck Eichler

          some elements of truth but much hype. Nothing is ever so black and white, but pursuing self-interest in international affairs is no secret.

        • Guest

          That’s a superficial “conspiracy theorists” uninformed deviant political view. One sided, that ignores and leaves out a slew of mitigating factors, too numerous to go into, but renders that theory borderline delusional. Read Tasharina1’s post about 5 comments back or the Guests post (signed MLawrence) about a dozen back and get a real perspective of America’s global political involvement. It’s not about greed, or theft of resources, in spite of the fact there are bad actors in even the most philanthropic and altruistic of organizations, corporations or countries. The overriding political goals of any sane actor, company or country is stability, shared values and economic cooperation. Which is the foundation of our Constitution and foreign policies in spite of some rouge corporations that try and in some cases take advantage of our liberal free market economic policies. Your post sounds like the exaggerated movie plot of an international spy thriller. The only place that kind of deviance really takes place is in the machinations of criminal cartels and the world government’s trying to deal with them.

          • Neil Tana

            It may be far fetched for many, but when I see how big pharma and big chemical (monsanto) corps conduct their profit over human life business practices, then I wouldn’t put it pass those with the money/power to produce any outrageous outcome. My point is that there is a critical mass of those in leadership positions (corp, gov) that are practicing profit over human life.

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        Lets not lose focus here. The more muslim/islam pigs that die, the better. They are savages that have blown up more of their own people than we ever dreamed of.

        • Cat Fish

          i am so sorry but i believe you must have been asleep this last week, when russia came in, blew up isis,, then washington, my comander and chief said,, welll, we must uptick the training of these cats because russia killed our ,,, isil agents i.e. all 10,000 blackwater white boy private contractors we left behind,, they been killing over there for years now, including EVERY DAMN BOMB BLEW UP IN OUR FACE EVERY BULLET FIRED AT OUR TROOPS WAS PAID FOR DELIVERED AND TRAINED TO USE BY MY PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS WHO THE HELLLLL ARE YOU CALLING MONSTERS YOU YOU ARE THE GOD DAMNED MONSTER FOR ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN THEN STILL BLAMING SOEONE BEING NUKED THESE LAST COUPLE MONTHS BY ISREAL AND FUNDED BY USA YOUR GOVT WHILE WE WERE OVER SEAS FIGHTING FOR YOUR RIGHT TO BE SO FREAKING IGNORANT

        • It’s a well-known fact the US has killed more people in the Middle East than anybody else. Keep up the racism and keep your head in the sand – it’s really doing the world a lot of good.

          • viking116

            No it’s not a fact. Only to those who ONLY read articles with “USA” in them. Saddam Hussein warring with Iran got 1,000,000 people killed, for starters.

            • Marat

              And Saddam was goaded and supported by the USA at every step in his war with Iran.

              • viking116

                It’s okay to put some blame the enablers but the primary problem is the backward, repressive, murderous cult of Islam. Long, long, long before the USA was a twinkle in George Washington’s eye, Muslims were murdering and enslaving those who didn’t believe exactly as they did. And it wasn’t episodic wars, but ongoing hatred and repression, from day one until the present. NO ADVANCEMENT OF CIVILIZATION, but steady, even retrograde decline in civility.

                • RzzRBladez of Occam

                  Maybe you need some reality, don’t you think so?

                  the Auschwitz SS self-labelled as Catholic (42.6%), Protestant (36.5%)
                  or Gottgläubig (20.1%; the word means God-believer or devout, and was
                  the term favoured by the “German Christians”); not one was recorded as
                  “without faith” (atheist). Indeed Himmler declared that: “I have never
                  tolerated an atheist in the ranks of the SS. Every member has a deep
                  faith in God”.

                  What backward cult? 7 times people created camps based on the principles of camp Number 1. Camp Sumpter Andersonville USA 13k POWs starved to death 1864.

                  Every time that people have been building such camps it were Christians doing so to murder non-christians and Christians alike.

                  7 times there were concentration camps, 7 times operated and build by Christians, talking about a backward cult……..

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      • Joe Schmoe

        Most of the dead were killed by other Muslims, Then liumping the Iraqis who died due to the sanctions, which were part of the peace treaty from 1993, is plain criminal, Their deaths are Saddam’s fault, because he didn’t comply with the terms of the peace treaty It’s the usual left wing blame America and the West nonsense

        • Mirko Kriskovic

          someone is been smoking some bad weed or is a troll because no one can possible be that STUPID!

        • The usual head in the sand America can do no wrong nonsense from someone who just let’s his country get away with murder – literally. The chemicals used in the public water system to prevent dysentery were specifically barred during the sanctions.

          • Who U Gettin Crazy Wit Ese

            Yeah, because it was all a bed of roses before the Americans arrived. Saddam was responsible for hundreds of thousands of Iraqi death, including gassing a 100,000 Kurds. If America never invaded the Middle East there would have likely been just as many casualty as the Middle East is in a constant state of conflict. If you had your way the entire population of Kuwait would probably have been wiped out in the early 90s.

            • Saddam doesn’t have anything on the American killing of over 1,000,000 Iraqis due to sanctions (if you’re good with math you will realize that’s adding one more zero to your inflated Kurdish death toll). Most of the Middle East problems have been caused by American interference creating instability. It wasn’t a bed of roses, but they would have been better off if there wasn’t any oil for us to idolize. We have never gone there for humanitarian reasons to make their land a better place, however, when I suggest to right wingers that we do that, they give me a hard time. Of course, they don’t have any idea why we are there, and you don’t either.

              • Bryan Katz

                What a load of crap. 1 million or more Iranians were killed by Iraq in the war from 1980-1988. Bush Sr.’s big mistake was not ousting Saddam back in 1991. good riddance to a dogshit dictator.

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      • disqus_lxhOkuBGvA

        Can you imagine if those killed where Europeans and Americans, we would never hear the end of it. How can anyone doubt that the US and the West planned to eliminate millions of Muslim long before 9/11, and this in itself point to who was really responsible for the twin towers. Those that still believe the government line, well, I feel sorry for you, to live in denial is a very dangerous thing to do.

        • OhioBrian

          Go off and drink your conspiracy Kool-Aid you friggin loon!

          • There’s nothing conspiratorial about history everybody can read in Wikipedia. Half a million Iraqi children deliberately killed due to sanctions. Get yourself informed.

        • Neil Tana

          You know what, they don’t care if they die because they are viewed as sub human. This world is totally screwed because the greatest country the world has ever seen has become an abomination. They cry about a few people being murdered for weeks and we shed no one tear for the 100,000’s of middle eastern women and children that have died in our war against terror. Sadam and Gaddafi put together wouldn’t have even come close to that number of deaths.

          • Xi’an Wright

            I don’t disagree with 99% of what you have said, Saddam however did kill a million+ Muslims. When you factor in the Iran-Iraq war, the bombing and slaughtering of the Kurd’s, and the amount of his own people that he killed (the last two though pale in comparison the war)

            • oliver

              And who supplied and supported Saddam during Iran-Iraq war?

              • Shredder

                Funny isn’t it? Reagan sold arms to Iran to pay for an illegal war in Nicaragua and then financed and provided arms to Iran’s enemy, Iraq to keep them in check. Then we had to reel in Saddam after he used the poison gas we gave him. It was okay when he used it on the Iranians, but not those poor Kurds.

            • NDDEM

              Where did you get your numbers?

              “Estimates as to the number of Iraqis killed by Saddam’s regime vary from roughly a quarter to half a million”
              “Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000”

              Don’t get me wrong…that’s a LOT of people….but it’s also a lot of people short of a million.


              • Xi’an Wright

                I don’t remember, but a quick google includes estimates from a confirmed 300,000+ in mass graves to estimates. I didn’t look at wikipedia, I don’t really see that as a valid source for facts, scroll down and look at their sources, use those. I am not searching through the hundreds of Google hits to get you the source I used, sorry.

                • NDDEM

                  “I am not searching through the hundreds of Google hits to get you the source I used”

                  Fair enough.
                  ” I didn’t look at wikipedia, I don’t really see that as a valid source ”

                  “Numerous studies have rated Wikipedia’s accuracy. On the whole, the web encyclopedia is fairly reliable”

                  Wikipedia is more reliable than you might think.

          • Jasey Kat

            I have thought about this a great deal. I read a lot of Noam Chomsky. I am not a bible toter but its almost like a self full filling prophesy except we appear to be the ones killing mankind and starting the wars. Way before 911 we have committed a lot of killing via airstrikes on Iraq. If this is not insanity I don’t know what is…

      • Yes it’s True

        Jews want Muslims dead, simple as that. Christians are next, especially Orthodox ones.

      • Slavko Vukic

        I just say to all muslims, LIVE Europe or all you will die there !!! Live now !!!!

        • Chasna M.


        • Mudhar Hadi

          And you are an idiot…

      • Robert Munro

        A couple of documents are very relevant to this discussion.

        First is a plan, written for Netanyahu’s reign as Emperor of Greater Israel. The writer is the pseudo-American Zionist fanatic, Richard Perle………

        Next is a report A Report of The Project for the New American Century completed in September 2000………..

        Compare actual events from 2001 to date to the plans outlined in this “report”. Please note, at the end of the report, the list of fanatical Zionists and their sycophants who are responsible for……

        “REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century”


        William Kristol

        Alvin Bernstein

        Eliot Cohen

        David Epstein

        Donald Kagan

        Fred Kagan

        Robert Kagan

        Robert Killebrew

        Steve Rosen

        Gary Schmitt

        Abram Shulsky

        Dov Zakheim

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      • General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned – Seven Countries In Five Years

        “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.” I said, “Is it classified?” He said, “Yes, sir.” I said, “Well, don’t show it to me.” And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, “You remember that?” He said, “Sir, I didn’t show you that memo! I didn’t show it to you!”

        General Wesley Clark Asked About 7 Country War Plan

        • Robert Munro

          Clark is ABSOLUTELY correct.

        • Jasey Kat

          Notice how he leaves out Asia, if you do your studying you will find out there are hundreds of millions of Muslims in Asia.

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      • Cam

        The US never found WMDs in Iraq, apart from the ones Rumsfeld sold to Saddam, care of the US.
        The Greatest Terrorist Legacy from the US will be its use of BANNED radio-active WMDs, throughout Iraq & other countries, which will Keep Killing & Mutilating for hundreds of thousands of years…

        Depleted Uranium Birth Defects:

        DU Beyond Treason:

        Uranium Playlist:

        US Responsible for Contaminating Iraq
        with DU:

        on DU:

        • fuster

          what “banned radio-active WMDs” did the US use?

          • Robert Munro

            Depleted Uranium ammunition, imbecile Judeo-Troll.

            • fuster

              not banned, pathological idiot.

              • Timothy Milhomme

                Says who ? It might not be banned but it is oh so immoral like just about everything these evil traitors do.

                • fuster

                  sez me. it’s not banned. you can’t show anything that says otherwise…….. and DU munitions are no more and no less “immoral” than are other munitions, Timmy.

                  • Timothy Milhomme

                    Who are you. And I didn’t say they were less immoral. of course all forms of human destruction are immoral. You sound like you think you have a seat on the ride by going along with these scum that are making all this happen. I think you opinion would be different if it was happening to you

                    • fuster

                      if someone hit me with a DU projectile I wouldn’t be able to avoid going for the ride.

                      but my point was refuting your erronious claim that DU munition are banned….then questioning what sense there might be in singling out DU munitions as particularly “immoral” they are not. they are merely better at penetrating.

                      • Timothy Milhomme

                        I DID NOT say DU was banned. I said it was immoral. And I also said that the harm caused by the DU is hurting are own people. Radiation no matter what form is DEADLY to any living thing. DU wasn’t allowed for use knowing the consequences but the same people that decided torture was ok said that to use DU was also ok. Like I did write before your opinion of it would be different about it if you were on the receiving end of it.

                        • fuster

                          radiation is not deadly and we are all exposed to it every day

                        • Timothy Milhomme

                          What ever you say. Good luck genius.

                        • fuster

                          it’s not what I say. it’s what every physicist knows and says

                      • Timothy Milhomme

                        The ride was just a way of saying that because you side with these evil mentally ill people that say using DU is ok that you are on their side and they will find a place for you in their world , club , whatever way you want to look at it. Good luck.

                  • Cam

                    Two of the 200 Quotes & Links you can Google in 2min, if you weren’t a lobotimized Fk Wit… “All weapons that contain DU are considered to be radioactive
                    poison gas weapons and as such they violate the Geneva Conventions under
                    the 1925 Geneva Poison Gas Control Protocol. DU weapons are a permanent
                    terrain contaminant and have a half-life of 4.5 billion years. DU can cause
                    DNA damage, as well as cancer, leukemia and tragic birth defects.
                    It is a kidney, liver, and neuro-toxin. Multiple independent studies
                    confirm this. There is a list of references documenting DU health
                    damage on Wikipedia.”

                    “British and American coalition forces using depleted uranium (DU) shells
                    in the war against Iraq are deliberately contravening this United
                    Nations resolution which classifies the munitions as weapons of mass

                    • fuster

                      DU weapons are not poison gas weapons , don’t violate any of the Protocols and …simply…are not banned.

                      you can’t wish international banning into place, Cam

                      • Timothy Milhomme

                        Radioactivity in any form harms ALL LIFE. Because these evil mentally ill people say it’s ok doesn’t mean it is.

                  • Timothy Milhomme

                    Never said it was banned. You must be one of those people that think those tyrannical mentally ill people will like you because you are going along with their B/S. Good luck.

              • Robert Munro

                ONLY because sub-humans of your cult control Washington temporarily, Jew scum.

                The truest words in Judaism………

                “To communicate anything with a Goy about our relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

                Found in both the Torah and the Talmud on Jewish Virtual Library site.

                This criminal cult, masquerading as religion and ethnicity, is going to CHOKE on
                what it hates and fears most – THE TRUTH

                “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”
                Moshe Dayan

                Rabid dogs MUST be destroyed for the good of humanity. They are capable of NOTHING, except spreading their disease.



          • Timothy Milhomme

            Depleted uranium

            • fuster

              it’s not banned, Timmy

              • Cam

                DU is BANNED as a Weapon!!! The UK, some NATO countries & the US produce DU munitions but ONLY the US (so far) has used DU munitions in civilian areas & against combatants. The US gets around the ban by NOT being a signator to just about every International treaty on Ethical use of weapons & NOT being a signatory to the ICC…

              • Timothy Milhomme

                Never said it was

          • Timothy Milhomme

            And DU is killing our own US troops and causing birth defects to the babies not only of the country they used the crap against but again to the service personnel that came in contact with it. Of course most would never hear about it if you get your news from LAME STREAM MEDIA

        • Timothy Milhomme

          It seems like the U.S. Policy is don’t do as I I do but do as I say

          • Jasey Kat

            US policy is made by large corporations, people are just elected to make calm the citizens and let them believe they have power, its all a sham.

            • mokopit

              Treasonous sham

        • fuster

          the birth defects in Iraq are not from expended US DU munitions, Cam that’s a rumor and not at all factual. during Saddam’s regime the Iraqis dumped radioactive waste in many sites inside the country.

          • Timothy Milhomme

            Then how do you explain that happening to OUR own people .

            • fuster

              explain what?

              there’s nothing akin to the horsebleep mutagenic claims noted in the offspring of GIs.

          • disqus_lxhOkuBGvA

            So how come nothing went wrong until after the west used depleted uranium. They knew it would be dangerous, even western soldiers have had serious problems from handling these weapons. You’ll be saying next that asbestos is safe.

            • fuster

              who said nothing went wrong before then?

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      • dubinsky

        you can try pinning all the Muslims slaughtered by other Muslims on Westerners, but then you’re just fullashit and lying to yourselves and everyone else.

        • Robert Munro


          A couple of documents are very relevant to this discussion. They are not American documents, they are Jewish, even though written by creatures who hold US birth certificates.

          First is a plan, written for Netanyahu’s reign as Emperor of Greater Israel. The writer is the pseudo-American Zionist fanatic, Richard Perle………

          Next is a report A Report of The Project for the New American Century completed in September 2000………..

          Compare actual events from 2001 to date to the plans outlined in this “report”. Please note, at the end of the report, the list of fanatical Zionists and their sycophants who are responsible for……

          AMERICA’S DEFENSES Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century”


          William Kristol

          Alvin Bernstein

          Eliot Cohen

          David Epstein

          Donald Kagan

          Fred Kagan

          Robert Kagan

          Robert Killebrew

          Steve Rosen

          Gary Schmitt

          Abram Shulsky

          Dov Zakheim