4 Million Muslims Killed In Western Wars: Should We Call It Genocide?

Hearkening back to the Japanese interment camps of WWII, some Americans are now calling for Muslims to be placed in camps or even openly calling for genocide against the 1.6 billion practitioners of the faith.
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    Afghan villagers sit near the bodies of children who they said were killed during a NATO air strike in the Kunar province of Afghanistan. April 7, 2013. (Reuters)

    Afghan villagers sit near the bodies of children who they said were killed during a NATO air strike in the Kunar province of Afghanistan. April 7, 2013. (Reuters)

    AUSTIN, Texas — It may never be possible to know the true death toll of the modern Western wars on the Middle East, but that figure could be 4 million or higher. Since the vast majority of those killed were of Arab descent, and mostly Muslim, when would it be fair to accuse the United States and its allies of genocide?

    A March report by Physicians for Social Responsibility calculates the body count of the Iraq War at around 1.3 million, and possibly as many as 2 million. However, the numbers of those killed in Middle Eastern wars could be much higher. In April, investigative journalist Nafeez Ahmed argued that the actual death toll could reach as high as 4 million if one includes not just those killed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also the victims of the sanctions against Iraq, which left about 1.7 million more dead, half of them children, according to figures from the United Nations.

     

    Raphael Lemkin and the definition of genocide

    The term “genocide” did not exist prior to 1943, when it was coined by a Polish-Jewish lawyer named Raphael Lemkin. Lemkin created the word by combining the Greek root “geno,” which means people or tribe, with “-cide,” derived from the Latin word for killing.

    The Nuremberg trials, in which top Nazi officials were prosecuted for crimes against humanity, began in 1945 and were based around Lemkin’s idea of genocide. By the following year, it was becoming international law, according to United to End Genocide:

    “In 1946, the United Nations General Assembly adopted a resolution that ‘affirmed’ that genocide was a crime under international law, but did not provide a legal definition of the crime.”

    With support from representatives of the U.S., Lemkin presented the first draft of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide to the United Nations. The General Assembly adopted the convention in 1948, although it would take three more years for enough countries to sign the convention, allowing it to be ratified.

    According to this convention, genocide is defined as:

    “…any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, such as:

    • (a) Killing members of the group;
    • (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    • (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    • (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    • (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.”

    Under the convention, genocide is not merely defined as a deliberate act of killing, but can include a broad range of other harmful activities:

    “Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to destroy a group includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group’s physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts.”

    It can also include forced sterilization, forced abortion, prevention of marriage or the transfer of children out of their families. In 2008, the U.N. expanded the definition to acknowledge that “rape and other forms of sexual violence can constitute war crimes, crimes against humanity or a constitutive act with respect to genocide.”

     

    A Middle Eastern genocide

    A key phrase in the convention on genocide is “acts committed with intent to destroy.” While the facts back up a massive death toll in Arab and Muslim lives, it might be more difficult to argue that the actions were carried out with the deliberate intent to destroy “a national, ethnic, racial or religious group.”

    The authors of the convention were aware, however, that few of those who commit genocide are so bold as to put their policies in writing as brazenly as the Nazis did. Yet, as Genocide Watch noted in 2002: “Intent can be proven directly from statements or orders. But more often, it must be inferred from a systematic pattern of coordinated acts.”

    In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, President George W. Bush employed a curious and controversial choice of words in one of his first speeches. He alarmed some by referencing historic, religious conflicts, as The Wall Street Journal staff writers Peter Waldman and Hugh Pope noted:

    “President Bush vowed … to ‘rid the world of evil-doers,’ then cautioned: ‘This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.’

    Crusade? In strict usage, the word describes the Christian military expeditions a millennium ago to capture the Holy Land from Muslims. But in much of the Islamic world, where history and religion suffuse daily life in ways unfathomable to most Americans, it is shorthand for something else: a cultural and economic Western invasion that, Muslims fear, could subjugate them and desecrate Islam.”

    In the wars that followed in Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. not only killed millions, but systematically destroyed the infrastructure necessary for healthy, prosperous life in those countries, then used rebuilding efforts as opportunities for profit, rather than to benefit the occupied populations. To further add to the genocidal pattern of behavior, there is ample evidence of torture and persistent rumors of sexual assault from the aftermath of Iraq’s fall. It appears likely the U.S. has contributed to further destabilization and death in the region by supporting the rise of the self-declared Islamic State of Iraq and Syria by arming rebel groups on all sides of the conflict.

    After 9/11, the U.S. declared a global “War on Terror,” ensuring an endless cycle of destabilization and wars in the Middle East in the process. The vast majority of the victims of these wars, and of ISIS, are Muslims. And, as extremist terrorists created by the unrest increase tensions with their attacks on the West, some Americans are embracing Bush’s controversial language of religious warfare, calling for Muslims to be placed in camps or even openly calling for genocide.

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    • Jesus Christ

      1) If you don’t like America keep yourself and your kin out of America. 2) Muslims are mongrels akin to faggots like Muhammed and Allah. 3) Their complete genocide is the only answer, their is only one TRUE God and he speaks English. God Bless America!

      • Mark Craigie

        Actually the first Christians didn’t speak English… English is derived from the Anglo-Saxon race established (not so ironically) in England. Christianity started out in the Middle East where people spoke Arabic and/or Hebrew. Given that the Christian Religion is derived from the Jewish faith then it would stand to pass that your “One True God” actually speaks Hebrew. Just saying…

      • Michael Berg

        You are other morons like you are the problem. Your attitude is so backward and if you knew or felt anything about spirituality, then such a disgraceful post would never eventuate. You are trying hard in the hope salvation might save you from your sin….your graphic sin as shown in your comment. You are ignorant and backward.

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    • James McCullen XXIV

      Islam is a bloodthirsty cult that would kill every non muslim on earth if they could. Well actually there are no non muslims in their eyes just muslims who haven’t converted yet! For the sake of western civilization and Jews everywhere islam must be destroyed! 4 million dead terrorists is not enough!

      • Hypocrite Detector

        Christianity has done far worse.
        You must have failed World History!

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    • Emanuel Ferraz

      BECAUSE EVERY 11 BILLION SINNERS MORTALS AND SPECIALLY IN WEST IN “usa” ARE SO BLIND DEAF AND DUMB THE ONES WHICH WANTS TO TYPE ME OR WE SOMETHING ONLY WITH RESPET AND DIALOGUE AS ADULTS NOT DISCUSS AS IMMATURE UNCONSCIOUS CHILDISH TEENS

    • Emanuel Ferraz

      NO ONE IT IS SOMEONE TO TRY TO JUDGE ANYONE OR ANYTHING AND EVEN LESS WHEN ARE THE WORSEST AND WHEN ARE INFERIOR BAD LOSERS ETC AND ALSO WHEN ARE LESS BY TERRITORY , POPULATION AND ECONOMY BUT ALSO WHEN ARE LOWER , SMALLER & LITTLE , BY EVERY ASPETS AND AREAS , MEANS AND BY FAR . I OR WE ONLY SEE RIDICULOUS PEOPLE WITH THEIR RIDICULOUS UNFRUITFULL NOT CONSTRUTIVE UNTRUE UNCOMMENTS

    • Emanuel Ferraz

      WHAT HAPPENED TO THE WESTERN WORLD WHICH IT IS MUCH MORE INTRIGUED , JEALOUS , IGNORANT , ILLITRATED , ANALPHABET , SELFISH ETC THAN EVER . ALL THAT WESTERNERS SAY , TYPE , WRITE ,THINK AND ALL OTHER ATIONS ARE LIES ALWAYS & ONLY LYING . EVERYONE HAVE DEFFECTS NO ONE IT IS BETTER OR WORST BUT WESTERNERS ARE SHOWING THEY ARE MUCH MORE WORSE , WORSER AND THE WORSEST ONLY ALWAYS TRUE TERRORISTS = MUCH MORE SINNERS & LIARS IMPURE IMPERFET THIEFS PIRATES . BAD LOSERS ARE EVERYWHERE IN WEST AND ALSO LGBTTT AND ALL OTHER DEFFECTS BUT QUALITIES , ATTRIBUTES AND QUANTITIES THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE

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    • dennis richardson

      Gee, 1300 years ago Muslims killed the people who lived in what is today Turkey, Syria, North Africa, Lebanon. Even Saudi Arabia was dominately Jewish until religionously motivated murder, murder, murder by Mohammed. The vacuous moon god religion was believed into existence. The Bible faces up better with the existence of scientific reality (archaeology and subsequent history) than this empty moon god religion of allah. I will cheer when Islam is beaten in the summer of 2018. In Syria and Israel only or in Europe also? Good question. Your damnable religion brought these things upon yourself. Convert or die perversions.

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    • Leon Hostad

      If a culture is intent on wiping you out, as they are intent on wiping all non-muslims out, then it is they who’re trying to commit genocide, not us for fighting back.

      • David Howitz

        Muslims didn’t start the way, you people did with your invasions for oil in 1991 and 1953 Coup of Iran’s democracy. Muslims don’t even care about America and never did until you people invaded them for oil.

        Seriously you redneck retards are so stupid, no wonder Russia and China are about to nuke you.

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    • dagdason

      SO many trolls so little dry rub.

      An intelligent discussion as to whether or not this latest mass murder is a direct consequence of western political influence to destabilize the regimes involved is very complex and certainly requires a deeper understanding, not of the concept or idea of genocide, but rather the foundation of political and economic security in the region.

      Issues that need to be addressed are those that led to the need for western involvement in middle eastern politics and economics. Petroleum is the obvious elephant in the room, however it is not the only issue. THose regions has clear issues in the access of clean water necessary to sustain life, grow crops and provide for industrial uses. And since the lessor minority controls the greater majority of natural resources and money, conflicts are sure to arise. These conflicts create idiots that love to point fingers at anyone other than themselves as the root cause.

      The solution is simple, stop making babies where there are no resources to support them. Stop fighting over what little resources exist and start developing solutions to make those resources go farther. Provide meaningful assistance to those in need, giving them the responsibility of further development of resource aggregation.

      The first thing the industrial world can do is very obvious, stop providing weapons to these areas and prosecute those who do. But try to convince any political regime in the world to take that step.

      In the meantime just BBQ the ignorant trolls that only know how to rant and carry on convoluted discussions that have no real intelligent foundation or basis in truth but are just emotional diatribes from whiny little basement brats.

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    • John Smith

      We should gas them. It’d be faster than just shooting and bombing them.

      When I want to kill cockroaches I use insecticide; I don’t chase them around the house with a rolled up magazine.

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    • Sarah Sarah

      Non-muslim girl and muslim guy shocked the US and Donald Trump supporters/followers

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2CDfwfpCY

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    • Dee

      Move the UN congregation out of the US to Ireland or The Netherlands. Then make a case of crimes against humanity for Muslims murders by Cheney, Rumsfeld and G.W. Bush. These war crimes can be tried at The Hague. Then watch the world stand up and pay attention. History needs to be repeated like the Nuremberg Trials.One path to peace for our world.

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    • poontofview

      So, what would you call this, the killing of 4 million or more Muslims killed in Western wars on the Middle East where at lest half killed were children. The U.S. Military coins it, “Collateral damage,” as if some inanimate object or thing was broken. Take for instance the Drone pilots dropping bombs or missiles at a compound or large shopping area, or perhaps aiming at one house but 4 other surrounding houses and occupants are killed. The same goes for the large aerial bombers that drop tons of bombs, do you think that only enemy combatants are the ones killed? If so, then you’re only fooling yourself. I don’t support any war, nor do I support the Military Troops. Each person that enlists in the Military joins for one common main reason and that is, “to Kill people.” If it was only to help people then join the Peace Corp or some other Humanity Help Organizations in which there are plenty of. Each Military person is trained to Kill Human beings in one way or another, whether it’s firing a rifle, handgun, shotgun, machine gun, cannon, or other hand operated type of weapon as well as computer generated vehicle operations of Drones and other computer generated weapons. War is only a part of life because Human beings “Choose” to make it a part of life. The only way “Wars” will stop is when Human beings make the conscious choice to stop fighting them, stop killing Human beings. The Human life is the most precious thing there is in the universe and as far as I know each of us only gets this one we have and to choose to waste this life and other Human lives by killing and getting killed is the most ignorant and stupid choice a Human being can make. I find it much nicer to live in Peace and Happiness which every living Human being has the opportunity to do if they so choose. True Peace and Happiness only exists inside of each Human being. There’s a way to make a connection to that place of Peace inside of you if you want to. It’s all a matter of feeling that need to know why you are here and what is your purpose in life and the answer is; to live your life in real and true Peace, Happiness, Joy, or whatever term or word you may use to describe that most incredible feeling.

      • Sarah Sarah

        Non-muslim girl and muslim guy shocked the US and Donald Trump supporters -followers

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ2CDfwfpCY

      • repsak

        I used to think the way you and the author of the article do. As I age, I become increasingly aware of how short and precious life is, and the extent every person deserves safety, decent living conditions, and most of all, love.
        But it is naive to not understand Islam which has brutality at its core. Think about this. Before the arrival of Islam, the ancient religions of Egypt, Babylonia, Iraq, etc. had been in place for literally for thousands of years. Within a single generation all of their adherents were wiped out. That is genocide my friend. None of the countries of Afghanistan, Pakistan the and surrounding regions were Muslim. They were Hindu. The “peaceful” religion of Islam systematically annihilated tens of millions, over 80 million just in one region of India.

        The region between Pakistan and Afghanistan is called Hindu Kush. That translates to Hindu killing. Why do you supposed it’s called that?

        Of the four million deaths you cite, 3.80 million were killed by fellow muslims, not the U.S. or any coalition partner. Saddam killed more than 2 million people when you count Iraqi citizens, Kurds, Iranians, and Kuwaitis, as he waged his personal war on them. In summary. Perhaps you think the USA as terrible, and maybe it is, but compared to the alternatives in the region, the U.S. is a thousand times better.

        • poontofview

          Comparing is only another distraction from what is true and real in a Human beings life. No, it’s not naive to think that true Peace can overcome obstacles created by Human beings in this world. One must first understand what “true-Peace” is. True-Peace exists inside of each and every living Human being on this planet regardless of what they believe or don’t believe. When each person is born the first thing that happens when they come out is the taking of that first breath and then their life begins. But, no breath, then no life. The place from where the source of each breath exists inside of each living Human being is the same place where true-Peace, Happiness, Joy, or whichever word or term one uses to describe that ultimate feeling. How powerful must that feeling, that place, that experience must be if it is the “Source of your Breath”? I mean really, the breath that allows you to live, your life which is the most important thing there is in this universe. What greater thing is there than your life? Without life, there is nothing. This has nothing to do with Religions or Spirituality, rather it has to do with coming home to that place where you laughed, giggled, and smiled as a baby and young child, that feeling that made you laugh until your tummy hurt in a good way. I’m happy to say, nothing has changed except only one thing, which is, where your attention has gone to focusing. Instead of focusing inside, as adults we focus outwardly on everything our eyes can see, our ears can hear, and our body can feel. It’s just a matter of focusing our attention inwardly to a specific place, that place inside of us from which our life comes from. It’s more than just talk, there’s a specific way and place to put our attention and it just requires a person to want to and for someone to show you how and where to focus your attention to.

          • Leon Hostad

            Comparing is what leads to the truth, which is why you try to make it out to be a bad thing, what repsak said is 100% true, the true practitioners of genocide throughout history have been the Muslims, what do you think their plan for Europe is?

            • poontofview

              I never said that comparing is a bad thing, however it can be a distraction and one of the biggest distractions in this world is everything we see, hear, and touch. Why are they distractions? Things in the world distract us from one of the most important things in our life which is recognizing who we really are, our true-self. Our true-self only exists inside of each of us and is the place where true-Peace/Happiness can be felt and experienced.

              Currently there seems to be Muslim-phobia, the fear of Muslims going on in the U.S.. I’m sure one can choose almost any Religion and find it to be evil and this is what is happening currently in the U.S. When something bad happens, it must have been the Muslims with the default being the Blacks. A person can spend their entire life blaming one group or another and or one individual or another for what they may perceive as injustices in this world. There’s nothing wrong with doing this, but is this what you want to spend your precious life doing? Or, a person can spend each moment of life they are given breath by breath because in reality, our life only exists from one breath to the next breath.

    • Chris Hamilton

      You should perhaps make a distinction between the number of muslims killed by westerners in these so-called “western wars” and those killed by other muslims. You know, especially since most of the deaths resulting from the war in Iraq were muslims killing other muslims.

      • Dee

        Once again you are comparing apples to oranges!

      • Anatuly Al Maimany

        “I have deliberately selected “low-end” estimates for Muslim fatalities,
        so these figures present the “best case” for the United States. Even so,
        the United States has killed nearly 30 Muslims for every American lost.
        The real ratio is probably much higher, and a reasonable upper bound
        for Muslim fatalities (based mostly on higher estimates of “excess
        deaths” in Iraq due to the sanctions regime and the post-2003
        occupation) is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.”–

        Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University. (His article is in http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/11/30/why-they-hate-us-ii-how-many-muslims-has-the-u-s-killed-in-the-past-30-years/)

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    • Fault the greedy, leaders whom oppress there citizens before say western imperialism plenty decadence. Ummah
      tribalism continued offended neglected why? Censorship of Arab nations whom detest independence of society.

      • Dee

        Fault the greedy US governments that created war in the name of freedom.Fear of other powers, communism, tribalism (your word) or whatever ism is the American villain. There is oppression in the US and so call capitalism is working. Is censorship in American any better? Why is it okay to hide stats of 2014 a year where more than 10,000 Americans were murdered by other Americans. War is not the answer to resolving differences. Peace is.

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    • Howard T. Lewis III

      The british royalty and their freemasonic and Skull and Bones Anglophile groups are racist and murderous and obsolete. They blew up the Fukushima facility and are panicked, waiting to die. The radiation was not supposed to spread to the southern hemisphere.

      • Shaw1960

        Conspiracy theorists who believe events caused by weather (earthquake–tsunami) are caused by secret organizations suffer from paranoid schizophrenia.
        Look up the definition of that affliction, for that is from which you suffer if you believe that horseshit. Maybe bankers all blew real hard together and caused Hurricane Sandy–or used their secret weather machines, right? Put your aluminum foil hat on! Can you feel their waves penetrating your brain?!
        Seek help. For realz, dude. Ah, but “they” own the hospitals, so you can’t get any help, can you?
        Best of luck to you. If you use meth, just for example, that will cause you to believe everyone is in on it, the global conspiracy to do you wrong. In that case, try detox first–they can help you!

        • apeman2502

          You qualify ONLY as an ignorant little boy.

          • Shaw1960

            Is that, “Apeman”, by The Kinks? Say whatever pleases you, ‘Man; the Internet’s anonymous. Or…IS it?…see above comment where secret organizations control our lives.
            As for me, I’ve had a nice walk & dinner after work with people whom I love–my life is filled with love and kindness.
            I wish the same on every person I meet!
            Peace out.

            • apeman2502

              I have to stay alive to put the 9-11 scum in prison. Help any way you can think of.

            • apeman2502

              Don’t do that tothe next guy who wants to kill you. It will not work.

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    • Charlotte L.

      This will be recognized as a genocide one day. Maybe not by the U.S. or Israel (the greatest terrorist nations on Earth) , but by the rest of the world, including the Western world. You’ll see…

      • Dee

        Rumsfeld, Cheney, George W. Bush et al will be on the top of that list!.

    • My Gana

      It cannot be genocide when Muslims collude.

      https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/officials-islamic-state-arose-from-us-support-for-al-qaeda-in-iraq-a37c9a60be4

      Officials: Islamic State arose from US support for al-Qaeda in Iraq

      http://nypost.com/2015/05/30/how-the-us-created-the-camp-where-isis-was-born/

      How a US prison camp helped create ISIS

      http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2015/04/15/is-the-whole-war-on-terror-a-fraud/

      Is the Whole “War on Terror” a Fraud?

      http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58333

      The Islamization of the Rebellion

      http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/fulltext/58849
      The Jihad’s Usefulness

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    • Tasmia Khan

      only 4 milloin! the western psychopath war- mongers killed far more than that and is still carrying their genocide .

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    • gheorghe

      Is not geno-cide.
      Is religious (actually, anti-religious) mass murder, globalized as a pest.
      Genocide is related to the same blood-linked, related community, not faith sharing.
      please, correct and do not confuse the readers: not everything comes from anything, is a way, a order, a meaning of anything.
      Genocide is not meaning the big number only, is condition to to apply – genetic relation.
      As happened to the Armenians – this is genocide, this is Holocaust not the “political” hebrew story…

    • john smith

      An open letter to Muslims:

      If Allah is so great, why are Muslims, the best people on this earth which is flat (according to Koran, 15:19, Sura 88:17-20), in general in the absolute bottom percentages of wealth and income of all people on the planet? Sure there are a couple of rich countries (mostly oil based) but by and large why do the 1 plus billion Muslims live in poverty or close to it world wide? If Allah is so great why do the primarily poor countries you live in have some of the highest birthrate fatalities of all nations? (And don’t keep blaming the US for this, that is bullshit, we give billions in aid to basically every poor nation on the planet, billions and billions every year). If Allah is so great why do the primarily poor countries you live in have some of the highest disease rates, lack of clean water, and routinely lack other basic infrastructure items such as electricity (1 billion people on this planet are still without electricity, almost 1/2 of them Muslim)?

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        Qatar is a Muslim majority country, their WHO IMR rate is tied for the 4th lowest IMR rate in the reporting countries…
        Serbia which has a large Muslim population is also tied for 4th lowest IMR rate in the reporting countries…
        Kuwait is almost all Muslim and is tied for the 6th lowest IMR rate in the reporting countries…
        Lebanon is over 50% Muslim and is tied for the 6th lowest IMR rate in the reporting countries…
        United States has an exceptionally small Muslim population and is tied for 7th lowest IMR in reporting countries…
        Kinda interesting based on what you stated…

        • john smith

          What r u talking about. i just researched the data on the US from 2002 to 2013 (the latest data available). dedtection rate of illness (of anykind is) 77-92%. Infant mortality rate is 3 per 1,000- that is based on fertility rate of 2 per women. this is out 350m population. One of the lowest based IMR #’s based on the population. her is the link to the chart that spells this out-appsdotwhodotint/gho/data/nodedotcountrydotcountry-USA

          Where did u get your data from – i am sure as a mulims u just pulled out of your rear end.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            To more fully respond to your first ‘question’….. You are saying that the “Koran” Qu’ran in 15:16 states that the world is flat??? A direct translation of this is “And the earth – We have spread it and cast therein firmly set mountains and caused to grow therein [something] of every well-balanced thing.” Then you say that in “Sura” Surah 88:17-20 states that the world is flat??? A direct translation is “88:17 Then do they not look at the camels – how they are created? 88:18 And the sky – how it is raised? 88:19 And at the mountains – how they are erected? 88:20 And at the earth – how it is spread out?” You point out TWO verses from the Qu’ran and ignore what the bible says??? These verses that state even stronger proof that early Christians also believed the earth was flat…..

            Revelation 7:1… “And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.” Definitely sounds flat to me… (During this era of history EVERYONE believed the earth was flat)
            Psalm 75:3… “The earth and all the inhabitants thereof are dissolved: I bear up the pillars of it. Selah.” (“Held up on pillars” again everyone believed the earth was flat, shoot in 1492 people expected Columbus to fall off the edge of the earth)
            Isaiah 40:22… “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” (A circle is flat not a sphere, had they meant a sphere they would likely have used the word for ‘ball’ )
            Isaiah 11:12… “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” (corners denotes square and flat)
            Daniel 4:10… “These are the visions I saw while lying in bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous.” (This would have to be a FLAT surface for this to happen)
            Daniel 4:11… “The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth.” (AGAIN, it would have to be a flat surface)
            Daniel 4:20… “The tree that you saw, which grew, and was strong, whose height reached unto the heaven, and its sight to all the earth” (Yeat again, a flat surface would be needed)
            Job 38:13… “That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?” (Again to be taken hold at the ends it would need to be flat)
            Job 38:6… “Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof” (Cornerstone)
            Job 11:9… “The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.” (One does not measure an orb or sphere by length and width)
            Job 9:6… “Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.” (Again with the pillars and shaking)
            Job 37:3… “He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.” (An orb or sphere do not have an end)
            Job 28:24… “for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.” (again, an orb or sphere does not have an ending)
            Genesis 1:6-8… ” And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.” (Is there a vault in the sky holding water that separates us from the water on earth???)

            NEXT, since you make the ignorant assumption that I am Muslim (and cannot even spell it correctly at that) I am not even sure this is worth discussing with you… I actually forgot to bookmark
            the site or I would send it to you BUT I did say what it was and it was WHO… And since you do not seem to know just what that is, it is The World Health Organization…. So, I found a few different
            sites… Through ‘worldbank’ it states that for 2013 Qatar IMR is
            7/1000, Serbia is 6/1000, Kuwait 8/1000, Lebanon 8/1000 and the US
            6/1000… Going by the 2005-2010 CIA statistics these same figures are
            Qatar 6.6/1000, Serbia 6.28/1000, Kuwait 7.68/1000, Lebanon 14.81/1000
            (majority attributed to death due to war) and the US 5.2/1000… What
            you fail to either know or mention is that in ALL of these countries
            other than the US there is severe civil unrest and actual wars going on
            which take a significant toll on the IMR of a country based on children
            killed during the unrest/war, extra, stress on the pregnant mother and
            other factors which the US does not have…
            Did you know that based on just the US CIA statistics that there
            are at least 50 countries with lower IMR’s than the US??? Some of them
            MUCH poorer countries than the US and with less technology… Cuba is
            5.13/1000, Croatia is 5.10/1000, Cyprus is 4.60/1000, Macau 4.43/1000,
            Brunei is 4.78/1000, Greece is 4.65/1000, New Caledonia is 4.78/1000,
            United Kingdom is 4.91/1000, South Korea at 3.76/1000. Ireland at
            4.04/1000, Israel at 3.85/1000, Australia at 4.65/1000, Netherlands at
            3.62/1000, Denmark at 4.03/1000, Belgium at 3.81/1000, Italy at
            3.51/1000, Austria at 3.91/1000, Portugal 4.45/1000, Spain at 3.76/1000,
            Germany at 3.71/1000, Switzerland at 3.75/1000, Slovenia at 3.51/1000,
            France at 3.54/1000, Czech Republic at 3.19/1000, Luxembourg at
            2.32/1000, Norway at 3.00/1000, Finland at 2.81/1000, Sweden at
            2.56/1000, Japan at 2.62/1000, Iceland at 2.07/1000, Singapore at
            1.92/1000, Andorra at 3.73/1000, Anquilla at 3.42/1000, Belarus at
            3.67/1000, Bermuda at 2.47/1000, Canada at 4.78/1000, European Union at
            4.49/1000, French Polynesia at 4.83/1000, Hong Kong at 2.89, Isle of Man
            at 4.22/1000, Jersey at 3.9/1000, Liechtenstein at 4.36/1000, Malta at
            3.62/1000, Monaco at 1.81/1000, New Zealand 4.65/1000, Norway 3.47/1000,
            San Marino 4.58/1000, Slovenia at 4.08/1000, Taiwan at 4.55/1000,
            Wallis and Futana at 4.55/1000…..
            ncbi.nlm.nih.gov has the United states is #34 on the NIH IMR list for 2010/2011 at 6.22/1000 Nice try though!!!

            • john smith

              koran is your holy book translate it any way u want to – i will read and translate as it is written.

              Remember most if not all Christians do not see the bible the literal word of God.

              You know, muslims do!!!

      • Shaw1960

        If there were any kind of all powerful god who cared about human beings, there would be no more genocide by any people against another people in the name of religion. God would just show up and turn nukes into water parks, or whatever, AK-47s into loaves of bread, and not another innocent man woman and child would be raped, killed and bayoneted, don’t you think?
        That’d be the bare minimum of human decency I would expect of such a mythical power. But since that’s all bullshit, everyone will go on Wednesday same as Tuesday, rape, kill, pillage away!

    • Dierwolf

      Best solution I have found so far.

    • Vincenzo Ferretti

      The only ones buying this story are tin-foil hat wearing America-hating fringe kooks. We killed millions? Really? Sad that a handful of American malcontents would actually buy into our enemies’ propaganda.

    • vergeetalles

      From Hiroshima to Iraq, America is the world’s leading terrorist state and proud of it http://stopwar.org.uk/news/from-hiroshima-to-iraq-america-is-the-world-s-leading-terrorist-state-and-proud-of-it
      LOWKEY – TERRORIST?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmBnvajSfWU

      • Dierwolf

        If you mean stopping maniac genocidal dictators, yes we do that.

        • vergeetalles

          haha… the cooperate news is made by Public Relation companies. They make you believe that. In real they were leaders who were a danger for the US dollar as world currency. Just like China and Russia are now. but oke… Hoessein f.e. was a leader for many years, suddenly after looking at gold and the euro instead of the dollar he suddenly became a dictator… Saoudi-Arabia is the most dictatorial country, but as long as you use the dollar you do not have to worry about anti-pr in the news… Watch the BBC documentary The Century of the Self, and watch with what psychological tricks you are lied to by the US. So US is only protecting his dollar , with war and killing. US is the largest terrorist state there is.

    • Dierwolf

      Yes but how many people have the Muslims killed?

      • Are we talking westerners, CIA backed Mujahedin/Al Qaeda/ISIS/”Fill in next name” killed or what? Anyhow, however you add it up, wont be close to “our” numbers, we are damn effective destroying human lives, infrastructure and economy, so that the same that send us to war can get some contracts on the side.

        • Dierwolf

          So what your saying is that when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and the Kuwait government in exile ask for our help getting their country back, we should have just said no? Or when Saddam was using chemical weapons on the Kurdish people we should have just looked the other way? Your pretty cold man.

          • So what you are saying is that you are mistaking the Kuwait war for the Iraq war, and missed that Blair and Bush have been proven liars regarding the invasion? And how many did Saddam, our puppet as long as we found it useful (attacking Iran, killing 2-300000 Iranians on our behalf), kill in confronts to those we have killed in Somalia, Lybia, Irak, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Syria etc etc etc….? And cold? For what? Ackowledging that we under the false pretence of liberating push countries centuries back in confronts to what they had? Also, if you care so much for the Kurds, which I actually do, how come you are not protesting on the war that Turkey, with US/NATO backup have started on ISIS, but only kills Kurds? Cant see you are protesting much there….. Cold, LOL, at least Im not naive!

            • Dierwolf

              Wow you need to lose the tinfoil hat, and lay off the LSD.

      • Anatuly Al Maimany

        Here is the number @Dierwolf:disqus

        “I have deliberately selected “low-end” estimates for Muslim fatalities,
        so these figures present the “best case” for the United States. Even so,
        the United States has killed nearly 30 Muslims for every American lost.
        The real ratio is probably much higher, and a reasonable upper bound
        for Muslim fatalities (based mostly on higher estimates of “excess
        deaths” in Iraq due to the sanctions regime and the post-2003
        occupation) is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.”–

        Stephen M. Walt is the Robert and Renée Belfer professor of international relations at Harvard University. (His article is in http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/

      • Shaw1960

        equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.

    • leftwingnuthunter

      #alllivesmatter you know the US and its allies went in with the plan to minimize civilian deaths, so this article uses the term “western war” which could mean the use of weapons from western countries. Most of those deaths that are in this article are from Muslim on Muslim violence. Some under allied forces, but most not. Just because you hate yourself doesn’t mean your goal should be to make everyone else hate themselves.

      • Its a direct result of western wars and how we left their countries, and continue to manipulate them by puppet governments. Their blood, whomever kills, is on our hands

    • Michael Francis

      When you add the Muslims slaughtered by European invaders in the “Crusades”, the Muslims (and Christians) slaughtered by the Eastern European invasion of Palestine, all of the Muslims slaughtered by the limitless Western/Jewish greed and megalomania over the last 150+ years, I think that the body count will run well over four million.

      And, yes, it is genocide as bad as the Jews are committing in Palestine.

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