Noam Chomsky: Paris Attacks Result Of West’s Policy Of Fueling Terrorism

Prof.Noam Chomsky on Germany's role in the European Union and International Affairs: Post War History, Present and Possible futures.
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    • Otto Greif

      Members of an IS cell were just arrested in Geneva, must be blowback from Switzerland’s aggression in the Middle East.

    • James Wherry

      And, of course, Jihadism and extremist Islam had NOTHING to do with it, right?

      The terrorists were not shouting “McDonald’s Akbar!” so I think we can let the corporations off. Nor where they shouting “America Akbar!” No, it really was “Allah Akbar!”

      But I DO agree that someone has supported terrorism for years and years and that this was the result.

      “The Syrian Civil War (Arabic: الحرب الأهلية السورية‎) is an ongoing
      international[76] armed conflict taking place in Syria. The unrest began in the
      early spring of 2011 within the context of Arab Spring protests, with
      nationwide protests against President Bashar al-Assad’s government, whose
      forces responded with violent crackdowns. The conflict gradually morphed from
      prominent protests to an armed rebellion after months of military
      sieges.[77]”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

      And if YOU want to talk about “blow back,” then start where
      it began: with Syria and Iran’s support for terrorism in Iraq. http://www.cfr.org/syria/state-sponsor-syria/p9368

      http://www.meforum.org/2579/syria-financial-support-jihad

      Bottom-line: ISIL stepped into a vacuum created by Assad and the Syrian
      Sun’ni’s welcomed it as their protector from further atrocities by Assad

    • KilkulOlam

      great logic of a great mind.

      Submit to terror and it will stop. WOW!!!

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        Didn’t work for the Palestinians when the evil European ZioNazis invaded with the open intent to seize their lands and transfer them out, did it? They ran from the ZioNazi massacres and terror, and the alien thugs immediately bulldozed their homes, villages, and towns. Now those same thugs and their descendants are luxuriating on the stolen land and busily importing more thugs to help them steal more.

        • Norm

          The U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 ended the British mandate by dividing the territory into Arab and Jewish states. The Jews immediately said ‘Yes’ to this territorial compromise, but the Arab countries not only said ‘No’ but declared a war. The Arab countries sent invading troops in 1948 to drive the Jews into the sea. At that time, both the Jewish and Arab residents of Mandatory Palestine were referred to as ‘Palestinians’. Arab leaders told the Arab Palestinians to evacuate “for a few days” so as not to stand in the way until the massacre of all the Jews is over. Azzam Pasha, the General Secretary of the Arab League, proudly promised: “It will be a war of elimination and it will be a dangerous massacre, which history will record similarly to the Mongol massacre…” Although vastly outnumbered, the new-born Israel managed to defeat the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. Seeking to avenge their defeat, Egypt’s President, Abdul Nasser, led another full scale Arab war against the Jewish state in 1967, along with Syria and Jordan. And the rest is history.

          • TecumsehUnfaced

            You’re lying. By it’s charter the U.N. had no right to steal the Arabs land and give it to the European invader ZioNazi thugs, who had never paid for it.

            The alien ZioNazi thugs were the actual invaders, having begun a war of conquest and ethnic cleansing more than 60 years earlier.

            The ZioNazi thugs had determined that they had accumulated enough invader thugs to move to the culminating stage of their evil war of conquest win against all Arab resistance with ease. They began the utterly evil Plan Dalet of massacres and terror. By the time that the Arab leaders told their people to move out of the way, the vicious ZioNazi thugs had already driven 1/4 million people off their land and were busily BULLDOZING the towns and villages of the people they were so savagely assaulting.

            Who cares what bombast the Arab leaders used to saved face? It was ZioNazi thugs who had invaded, commenced the terror, and were savagely ethnically cleansing the indigenous people. The invading European ZioNazi thugs had planned to steal Palestine from the very beginning.

            Please don’t calumniate good, decent Jewish as the perverted ZioNazi thugs who invaded, assaulted, and brutally occupied Palestine. Before the arrival of the invading European ZioNazi thugs, the Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims had lived together much more peaceably than the European, from whom the alien invader ZioNazi thugs had arisen.

            Israel was never legitimate. It was from the beginning an illegal proclamation of seizure of Arab land by the savage alien ZioNai thugs who mercilessly tore it from the entrails of the indigenous people of Palestine.

            My history is true and is documented in many places, even by Zionist historians. Yours is nothing but a vicious con game perpetrated against good, decent Jewish people and the world.

            http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/11/the-battle-for-palestine/
            http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/23/the-battle-for-palestine-part-two/
            http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/24/the-battle-for-palestine-part-three/

            by William R. Polk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Polk ), who taught Middle Eastern history and politics at Harvard

            http://www.1948.org.uk/

            http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid

            http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41864.htm

            http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

            http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

            http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

            • Norm

              How can a piece of land be ‘Arab’? You think the grains of sand there are ‘Muslim’? It was British-held territory captured from the Ottomans in WW1, which had exchanged hands through countless battles from time immemorial. What makes the land there ‘Arab’ now? Because Arab nomads invaded it occasionally in past centuries after it was laid barren by the Romans who had ransacked it and deported most, but not all, of the Jews?

              FYI, there has always been a continuous Jewish presence living in the Holy Land, especially in the larger cities, for millennia. For example, in 1844, the Ottoman census counted 7,120 Jews compared to a mere 5,000 Muslims living in Jerusalem. The European Jews that started to arrive in the late 19th century (returning to their ancient homeland, in effect) did so under Ottoman rule, purchasing land from private land owners according to Ottoman law. This practice continued later under British rule. They immigrated legally, they couldn’t have possibly “invaded” territory held by the mighty Ottoman and British Empires.

              Once the Jews started to dry up the swamps and cultivate the land and make the desert bloom, a corresponding massive influx of Arab immigration ensued in the early 20th century from neighboring countries. This caused the demographic situation that led to the UN Partition Plan, after prior decades of relentless Arab terrorism toward the Jews due to incitements by the IslamoNazi mufti Amin al-Husseini.

              • TecumsehUnfaced

                Now the ZioNazi troll wants to play semantics with me? It belongs to the people living there for over ten thousand years, currently called “Arabs”. So you idiotic and psychopathic claim that they have less right to their homeland than a bunch of predatory European ZioNazis, who just might have lived there for only four hundred years more than 2000 years ago. You are stark raving mad.

                You also ignore the fact that the Arab Jews in Palestine were only 2-4% of the population during all that time you European ZioNazis are trying to use to justify stealing Palestine from the people living there about 25 times longer than you.

                That part about the ZioNazi invaders making the desert bloom is pure ZioNazi rot, that you can’t possibly support. Because I am aware of the typical ZioNazi lies presented in such cases, here is the population data for Palestine:

                The Population of Palestine Prior to 1948
                http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm
                Palestine Population: During The Ottoman And The British Mandate Periods
                http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story559.html
                http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/demograhics.html
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine
                http://palestineisraelpopulation.blogspot.com/#!

                You’re welcome to keep lying, since I love shooting the vicious ZioNazi con game by which we Americans, including Jewish ones, have been fooled so long by the predatory European ZioNazi thugs who invaded Palestine with a flood of crimes against humanity.

                Please try to document your lies with data rather than quotes by people confused or lying, or I will start handing out the many poisonous quotes done by the ZioNazi thug chiefs.

                • Norm

                  So first, even from your own link: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/demograhics.html if you only click on the ‘Population of Jerusalem’ there, you’ll get to a table (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/jerupop.html ) where the 1st line is exactly the data I’ve posted on Jerusalem’s Jewish majority demographics in 1844… Note that 1844 is some 40 years before the first European Jews arrived: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Aliyah

                  Second, from a table in another of your own links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine you can clearly see how the Muslim population is practically constant from the 17th century to the very late 19th century. The sharp rise around the start of the 20th century, exactly as I’ve stated, is due to the massive influx following the economic growth opened up by the Jewish immigrant pioneers.

                  Next, I advise you to educate yourself from the very same site you’re citing from: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/nutshell/conflict_2.html

                  You’ll be surprised how much you still need to learn about this fascinating piece of history. If you want to go further back in time, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel For authentic documented sources about the 1948 refugees, see: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/refugees.html under: ‘Arab Leaders Provoke Exodus’.

                  • TecumsehUnfaced

                    Please note that everything I said was supported by all those sources, that the vast majority of Palestine was Muslim, and that the few Jews were also Arab.. You are also trying to equate the large increase in population by sanitation advances in the late nineteenth century that were happening all over the globe with some mythological improvement by the Zionist invaders, for which you’ve provided no support. You also gloss over the fact that the Arabs already number over 400,000 before the 1st Aliyah of the Zionist invasion in1882.

                    So before you yammer deceptive evaluations of other peoples education and logic in a fraudulent way to win an argument, make sure you have all you ducks lined up.

                    I see no indication that you know anything other than Zionist propaganda and Wikipedia roughness.

                    How the 1948 refugees provide any justification for the Zionist predatory assaults on the Palestinians shows only how you will grasp irrelevancies in desperation.

                    I advise you to stop trying to fool people with the ZioNazi con game and really educate yourself from all kinds of sources:

                    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/11/the-battle-for-palestine/
                    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/23/the-battle-for-palestine-part-two/
                    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/24/the-battle-for-palestine-part-three/

                    by William R. Polk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Polk ), who taught Middle Eastern history and politics at Harvard

                    http://www.1948.org.uk/

                    http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid

                    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41864.htm

                    http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

                    http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

                    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/08/20/israeli-palestinian-musicians-subversive-critique-of-mizrahi-politics-culture/

                    ===================================================
                    Plan Dalet
                    http://www.scribd.com/doc/19199199/Plan-Dalet-Master-Plan-for-the-Conquest-of-Palestine-by-Walid-Khalidi
                    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/dalet-another-dirty-word-in-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/dalet-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                    http://www.alanhart.net/the-green-light-for-zionisms-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

                    • Norm

                      Take a look at the table you linked to at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine Until the first half of 1st century AD nothing but Jews there, 2.5 million of them! (Obviously no Muslims before Muhammad’s time.) Yet from 5th century to end of 19th century there’s more or less a constant Muslim population fluctuating between 150,000 to 280,000. What happened? How come Jews thrived in the millions there already by 1st century AD while Muslims couldn’t surpass 300,000 for almost 2 thousand years, up until the turn of the 20th century?

                      Hint: Except for a few ancient cities, from 70 AD when most of the Jews were driven out by the Romans (who later changed the region’s name from “Judea” to “Syria Palaestina”) it became swampland and desert wasteland. This desolate landscape was described by Mark Twain in his 1869 book “The Innocents Abroad” after his tour there in 1867. It wasn’t until the Jewish settlers’ gradually returned more than a decade later starting in the 1880s and began to drain the malaria-infested swamps and make them fertile and livable that it became possible to cultivate the land: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Arabs_in_Palestine.html

                      No one is disputing that Arabs were the majority except in Jerusalem. This, btw, flies in the face of your absurd notion that a tiny minority of Jewish “thugs” took over the land “by force.” How could a few unarmed European settlers challenge the military rule of the mighty Ottoman Empire there, with its meticulous legal system of land-ownership deeds, much of which constitutes the foundation of the Israeli land and property laws to this day? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_land_and_property_laws

                      And as to your insane fantasies about a land where “Palestinians” had flourished for “over ten thousand years” until the Jews arrived… From wikipedia: “During the Bronze Age, Iron Age and Classical Era there was no Arab presence in the areas encompassed by modern Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Iran, North Africa, Somali Peninsula, Asia Minor or Kuwait.” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs ) Well, there is now… How do you think Arabs managed to spread to all these places (not to mention North Africa and the Arabs’ role in the slave trade) if not by Muslim predatory assaults starting in the 7th and 8th centuries AD, pillaging and Islamizing the indigenous with a flood of crimes against humanity?

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Use a your brains instead of dumping a lot of nonsense on the data I gave. The people of Palestine by genetics were there over then thousand years under many names and religions including Jewish, Christian, and Muslim. Do a search on Palestinians genetics and you will see a long line up of supporting research. The Jews were there there in large numbers for only 400 years of that long expanse of time.

                        Note that all the data of all the tables refutes your absurd claim from Twain’s obviously mistaken writing. You don’t even understand that I included all that data, so the inevitable fraudulent claim of Twain’s would be dead on arrival. Thanks for walking into such an obvious trap.

                        Have you realized yet that after the Romans drove out the trouble makers, the remaining population, much of it was still Jewish by blood became Christian, then Muslim along with the rest of the population. Have you realized yet that the indigenous population started calling themselves Arabs after the Conquest to identify with the conqueors? You European ZioNzais were assaulting true Semites who had been there for over ten thousand years including the last two thousand years, when you savage European ZioNazis certainly weren’t there, if ever.

                        Your yammer about the slave trade spreading Arabs is pure nonsense. By the science of genetics and carbon dating the ancestors of the ancestral Palestinian people is established by to the time of settlement at Jericho, one of the earliest discovered.

                        Finally, any claim two thousand years lapsed of doubtful validity is absurd. No other people are so insane as to make other than the European ZioNazi invaders of Palestine.

                      • Norm

                        FYI, in addition to Mark Twain’s travel book, all the evidence from official census records to numerous historical eyewitness accounts by other prominent travelers, corroborates it.

                        So let’s recap. The Romans conquer Judea, a kingdom with a Jewish population of millions at the time (and not a single Arab), ransack the place and deport more than 96% of the Jews to all corners of the world. The 4% that remain then partly convert to Christianity, but mostly convert to Islam a few centuries later after a violent ruthless Islamic conquest by Arabs. A tiny minority remain Jewish with a clear majority in Jerusalem throughout the centuries. Diaspora Jews all over the world keep their cohesiveness as one people, with all their religious rituals, ancient language, and unwavering longing to return one day to their ancient homeland from which they were ethnically cleansed. On the other hand, those that remain in the Holy Land “call themselves Arabs after the Islamic conquest”, lose their original traditions and language, “to identify with the conquerors”. Under Ottoman and then British rule, Diaspora Jews begin to return in small numbers, legally purchase land from Arab land-owners, settle, and begin to covert the mostly barren desolate wasteland of almost 2,000 years into a fertile hospitable oasis. Brits decide to leave and ask the UN to propose a compromise two-state solution for the tiny sliver of land. Jews welcome the idea and peacefully agree to cede most of their ancient homeland. Hundreds of millions of Arabs with numerous countries of their own and vast territory stretching from Morocco to the Persian Gulf declare a “Mongol massacre” war of annihilation! They claim ALL the land is “theirs” and was “stolen” from them. You fall for it…

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        have I informed you that I accept your unsupported ZioNazi lies? No, of course not! Nobody is that stupid, except for ZioNazi disinformation trolls.

                        The truth remains that there is extensive census data supporting the existence of large indigenous population before the evil European ZioNazi invasion. There is no data of your claiming that there were millions of Jews in Palestine during the time of the Romans or that they were even the majority.

                        But then, so what? The People of Palestine savagely assaulted by the ZioNazis are by science owning an ancestry of over ten thousand years continuously in Palestine including the last two thousand years during which the alien European ZioNazis certainly weren’t, if ever. There’s a question whether the European ZioNazi can even claim that small 400 year period during which the Jewish kingdom was one of a number in Palestine.

                        So, science denier, you have roundly thrashed again for your lies.

                        Again, any claim two thousand years lapsed of doubtful validity is
                        absurd. No other people are so insane as to make other than the European
                        ZioNazi invaders of Palestine. The Palestine is certainly not the ZioNazi’s home, if it ever was. While it has indisputably been the Palestinian home by science for over ten thousand years. Instead of yammering ZioNazi dogma at me again, please do that search on “Palestinian genetics” that I suggested before.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        One thing to point out before even getting started is that the Brits nor any other Europeans had the right to block the Arab human right of self determination and give Arab land to a bunch of European ZioNazi invader thugs.

                      • Norm

                        Arabs have self-determination, both as Arabs and Muslims, in 22 states of their own stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian Gulf, with area the size of the continent of Antarctica! Jews have a single state as a Jewish homeland, with area the size of . . . New Jersey…

                        Arabs use their self determination to conduct genocidal civil wars, kill more than 300,000 in the last 4 years in Syria alone, unimaginable atrocities, beheading, mass shooting, suicide bombing, raping and subjugating women, hanging gays from cranes, and spreading terrorism to every major city on the planet.

                        Jews use their self-determination to provide the world with leading-edge breakthrough scientific, medical, agricultural, and high-tech innovations, while at the same time having to defend themselves from savage Arabs who threaten to nuke them off the face of the earth and send their own kids to stab Jews in the streets, in order to change the only place on earth where Arabs have true democracy and freedom of speech into the hell-hole that the rest of the Arab World is.

                        Go figure…

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Sorry, little ZioNazi, lumping the Palestinians together with all other peoples under the Arab tent to justify the savage, evil assault of the ZioNazi thugs (mendaciously identified as Jewish,while they’re really just thugs using Judaism as a part of their con game) on them is just another sick ZioNazi con game.

                        Then you viciously calumniate Arabs in general for the foul manipulations that the ZioNazi and Empire thugs do to them. Obviously, you, like all ZioNazi thugs, have a vast flood of crimes against humanity to cover up.

                        It’s hilarious the way you foul ZioNazi thugs try to excuse the vast evils of your savage invasion of Palestine by defining yourself as those Jews that are good, decent people that would never do the horrible crimes that are the ZioNazi bread and butter.

                        It’s not hard to figure out at all. You are just a mendacious ZioNazi thug smearing all Jews with ZioNazi crimes and lies to somehow justify the vast evil of the ZioNazi invasion of Palestine.

                        Now you may lie and smear some more for our amusement….

                      • Norm

                        “lumping the Palestinians together with all other peoples under the Arab tent”

                        Let’s see… It was the entire Arab League that declared war of annihilation on all Jewish residents in 1947, not “Palestinians” (a term used at the time for both Jews and Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine), It was the combined armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia that simultaneously invaded Israel in 1948 from all sides, it was not “Palestinians”. It was Egypt, Jordan, and Syria that amassed vast amounts of troops on tiny Israel’s every border in June 1967, publicly threatening yet another war of annihilation only to find themselves preemptively defeated and losing a bunch of their own strategic territories, it was not “Palestinians”. It was the entire Arab League that gathered three months later in Khartoum to announce the infamous “Three No’s” in reply to Israel’s generous offer to return all captured territories in exchange for peace, it was not “Palestinians”. And it was Egypt and Syria who attempted a sneak invasion in 1973 to try to destroy Israel once and for all, not “Palestinians”.

                        Lastly, it was you, not me, who claimed here that it must have been ‘Arabs’ who lived there as far back as 10,000 (!) years ago (which works out to be some 7,000 years prior to the advent of writing and corresponding beginning of humanity’s recorded history….) Yet according to science, even the earliest of all proto-Semitic people emerged not earlier than 5,700 years ago – around 3700 BC – all earlier inhabitants of the region being non-Semite peoples that are long extinct… Which doesn’t seem to stop you from also incongruously claiming that present day so-called “Palestinians” are, in fact, the descendants of the Jews that were spared deportation by the Romans, and who were subsequently conquered and forcibly converted to Islam and, in your own words, “started calling themselves Arabs after the Conquest to identify with the conqueors”… Let me guess, clear thinking is not one of your strong suits, right?

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        You blame the entire Arab league opposing as a matter of principle the savage ZioNazi assault on the people of Palestine. Wow! Are you sick!

                        Sorry, a bunch of ZioNazi thug invaders illegally grabbing somebody else’s land does not make the defenders of the people being savagely raped by ZioNazi thugs into invaders. You seemed to have missed this from an earlier post to you:

                        “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                        “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                        “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                        Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        I didn’t make any claims about the people of Palestine being there for over ten thousand years. Science did, and confirmed it repeatedly. So all the rest of your uneducated and duplicitous yammer is meaningless. I note that you still haven’t done the search I recommended to find it, so here it is explicitly.

                        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=palestinian+genetics&t=ffab

                        Not my fault that you would rather yammer ignorantly and mendaciously at me instead of doing an internet search yourself about the heritage of Palestinians.

                        https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Palestinians+descended+from+Jews&t=ffab

                        integrity or thinking are not your strong suit like they aren’t for all ZioNazi disinformation agents, right?

                        But then your aim is certain not elucidation of truth but the continuation of the foul and evil Zionist con game by which millions of people have been immiserated.

                        Unfortunately for you and other mendacious purveyers of the evil ZioNazi con game, the Internet is is out there for the free use of everybody:

                        Now you may go back to hilariously twisting my words and stupidly calumniating me.

                        http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/11/the-battle-for-palestine/
                        http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/23/the-battle-for-palestine-part-two/
                        http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/24/the-battle-for-palestine-part-three/

                        by William R. Polk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._Polk ), who taught Middle Eastern history and politics at Harvard

                        http://www.1948.org.uk/

                        http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid

                        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41864.htm

                        http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2013/11/11/zionist-crimes-against-the-jews

                        http://www.inminds.co.uk/jews-of-iraq.html

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Plan

                        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

                        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/08/20/israeli-palestinian-musicians-subversive-critique-of-mizrahi-politics-culture/

                        ===================================================
                        Plan Dalet
                        http://www.scribd.com/doc/19199199/Plan-Dalet-Master-Plan-for-the-Conquest-of-Palestine-by-Walid-Khalidi
                        http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/03/11/dalet-another-dirty-word-in-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                        http://www.palestinechronicle.com/dalet-the-conspiracy-to-steal-the-land-of-palestine/
                        http://www.alanhart.net/the-green-light-for-zionisms-ethnic-cleansing-of-palestine/

                      • Norm

                        OK, so now you repeat yourself. Which means, of course, that you’re still wrong,

                        I don’t “blame” anybody. I’m simply pointing out an historical fact that it was the Arab League who had squarely ‘lumped’ itself in the conflict with Israel. There’s not much you can do to obfuscate this fact now, I’m afraid. But I won’t be surprised if you keep trying banging your head against this wall.

                        And there was no “savage assault on the people of Palestine” by any Israeli government, except as justified retaliation for terrorism. There is only an ongoing cynical manipulation of their suffering by Arab despotic rulers and Western leftists, who to this day couldn’t care less about the tragedy of these hapless people as they exploit them as political pawns to further their own agenda.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        They say that stupid people need to have things repeated to them all the time. You still try to hide from the fact that evil ZioNazi invader-thug state never had any validity to invade.


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                        “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                        “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                        “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                        Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

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                        So you’re claiming that wasn’t savage? Doesn’t that destroy your validity?

                      • Norm

                        First, Haganah and the other paramilitary units were not the IDF, the most moral regular army in the world. Second, as you can easily find out yourself on YouTube, these acts are actually child play compared to what Arabs are doing to each other today – as we speak – in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Libya, to name just a few places. Let’s not forget also what Hamas and Fatah did do to each other as soon as Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. Third, I don’t see in these quotes any praise and glorification of such acts, as is common in Arab societies. FYI, whenever individual IDF soldiers commit crimes they are court-martialed and sentenced for it. They certainly don’t get town squares named after them, like Hamas and the PA regularly do.

                        As to Benny Morris, whom you seem so fond of quoting, you may be interested in looking at his actual views here: http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/israel-and-the-palestinians-1.896017 especially regarding Plan Dalet. Just so that you know what you’re talking about…

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        How stupid! The IDF was created from the Haganah and the other terrorists. They were the same criminals.

                        It is also very mendacious of your to blame the Palestinians and Arabs today for the evil manipulations done to them by the the ZioNazi and Empire thugs.

                        There was no kindness done to the inhabitants of Gaza when the ZioNazi invaders made their city into a blockaded concentration camp. You are even mendacious about the way the ZioNazis viciously supported Hams to embarrass the PLA anx give the ZioNazi thugs another excuse to inflict atrocities on the people of Palestine they had already so savagely abused.

                        I was being kind to you be quoting Benny Morris, the story of the ZioNazi savagery is much darker than what he records.

                        I wouldn’t accuse you of not knowing what you’re talking about. After all, you are a confessed ZioNazi disinformation agent by the many lies you have already spouted.

                        I’ve already presented other documentation about the nakba and the long long history of ZioNazi atrocities, here is some more freely available on the Internet..

                        1948
                        LEST WE FORGET – Palestine and the Nakba
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/introduction/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/historical-background/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/the-concept-of-transfer/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/population-transfer-committee/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/the-link/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/unscop/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/the-road-to-partition/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/un-resolution-181/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/partition-and-the-law/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/plan-dalet-and-the-nakba/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/the-massacres/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/14-may-1948/
                        http://www.1948.org.uk/right-of-return/

                        http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Analysis/de-Borchgrave/2007/08/06/Commentary-Embarrassing-history/UPI-12481186413427/

                        http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/ref-nakba.html
                        http://imeu.org/article/the-nakba-65-years-of-dispossession-and-apartheid
                        http://imeu.org/article/fact-sheet-when-israeli-settlers-attack-a-history-of-impunity-and-incitemen
                        http://imeu.org/article/in-their-own-words-senior-israeli-officials-on-the-palestinian-question

                        I haven’t seen you deliver any documentation that the invading ZioNazis didn’t assault Palestine with the open intent of conquest and transferring the indigenous population out, both savage war crimes. After all, isn’t that what modern European Zionism is all about, stealing somebody else’ country?

                      • Norm

                        “How stupid! The IDF was created from the Haganah and the other terrorists.”

                        See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalena_Affair

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        How stupid of you again! That supports what I was saying.

                        “The Altalena Affair was a violent confrontation that took place in June 1948 by the newly created Israel Defense Forces against the Irgun (also known as IZL), one of the Jewish paramilitary groups that were in the process of merging to form the IDF.”

                        Not my fault that some of the ZioNazi thugs fought among each other jockeying for position as they merged.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        The “most moral regular army in the world”? Doesn’t that expose you as a flagrant liar and ZioNazi con man? Where is the evidence of that ludicrous claim? The actual evidence is much to the contrary. Here’s just a little bit of it. I will keep trotting out more as long you keep spewing such silly lies.

                        Israel’s Descent into Barbarism – Norman Finkelstein on Reality Asserts Itself (1/2)
                        http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=13880

                        The Settlers’ Prussia By Uri Avnery
                        Israeli democracy is sliding downwards, towards an ultra-nationalist, racist, religious society. – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43159.htm

                        http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-torture-and-imprison-palestinian-children-a-severe-threat-to-the-national-security-of-israel/5485865

                        http://www.globalresearch.ca/genocide-in-palestine-israel-storms-hospital-in-bethlehem-soldier-yells-we-will-gas-you-all-until-you-die/5485684

                        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/04/idf-chief-of-staff-promises-1-5-million-lebanese-refugees-in-next-war/

                      • Norm

                        “The “most moral regular army in the world”? Where is the evidence?”

                        Here:

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM0fTss0UX4

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Ha, ha! Stupid propaganda film of testimony from a silly Zionist tool talking about the vast atrocity of Operation Cast Lead by the alien invader ZioNazis, also known as Gaza Massacre.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War_%282008%E2%80%9309%29

                        Israel destroyed or made uninhabitable 18,000 homes. In “Families Under the Rubble,” Amnesty suggests that in each and every case, Israel was actually
                        targeting militants but used “disproportionate force.” That is the perfect alibi for Israel. Everyone familiar with international humanitarian law (laws of war) knows that it is impossible to prove disproportionality. It’s a meaningless concept. How can you estimate how many civilian lives are “worth” a particular military objective? It’s a classic case of
                        comparing apples and oranges.

                        Were there really 18,000 Hamas militants in those 18,000 homes? Look at the testimonies by Israeli combatants published by Breaking the Silence. They show that Israel did two things in Gaza. Number one, when troops went in, they were told, or
                        construed the rules of engagement to be, everything that moves, you shoot to kill, period. In other words, there are no civilians in the designated war zones. Number two, every home you pass as you enter and leave, you demolish. The D-9 armored bulldozers were operating nonstop, flattening homes, day in and day out. What did any of this have to do with targeting militants?

                        Everything that moves, you shoot to kill, period.

                        Norman Finkelstein: Amnesty’s Gaza Reports Are ‘Just Israeli Propaganda’ By Nick Mutch
                        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42423.htm

                        Way to go, “Norm”. You just shot yourself in the foot again.

                        Israel’s Descent into Barbarism – Norman Finkelstein on Reality Asserts Itself (1/2)
                        http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=13880

                        The Settlers’ Prussia By Uri Avnery
                        Israeli democracy is sliding downwards, towards an ultra-nationalist, racist, religious society. – http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43159.htm

                        http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-torture-and-imprison-palestinian-children-a-severe-threat-to-the-national-security-of-israel/5485865

                        http://www.globalresearch.ca/genocide-in-palestine-israel-storms-hospital-in-bethlehem-soldier-yells-we-will-gas-you-all-until-you-die/5485684

                        http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/04/idf-chief-of-staff-promises-1-5-million-lebanese-refugees-in-next-war/

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Something I nearly let you get away with: Where did you get that 2.5 million Jews in Palestine 1st century AD, huh? Certainly from nothing I presented. Tricky, tricky, but very unwise for maintaining your reputation.

                      • Norm

                        It’s the first row of the table you linked to (figures are in thousands)… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        It only said that the Jews were a majority. It didn’t say they all were. Tricky, tricky, aren’t you?

                        But then you’ve already exhibited that you will say anything in a spurious attempt to justify the savage European ZioNazi conquest of Palestine and the vast flood of atrocities they dumped on its people.

                        I guess this will mean that you will sneer at the Zionist historian, Benny Morris…

                        “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                        “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                        “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                        Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        The claim of the Haganah and the IDF being the most moral armies was always another lie in the ZioNazi con game.

                      • Norm

                        “It only said that the Jews were a majority. It didn’t say they all were. Tricky, tricky, aren’t you?”

                        OMG… And who were all the others living there, then? Millions of Muslims, five centuries before Muhammad was born? The Millions of Christians exposed to Jesus, through social media, perhaps, already by 20 years after his death?

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Isn’t that kind of ZioNazi stupid? Weren’t there a whole lot of religions there besides the Jewish one? Why were all the Jewish jerk so-called prophets always complaining about people following other religions? Why do you always yammer so mendaciously? Can’t afford to have people see through any part of the ZioNazi con game, can you? Once they start seeing, it’s only a matter of time before they see how ugly it is.

                      • Norm

                        “Weren’t there a whole lot of religions there besides the Jewish one?”

                        I’m really sorry, but no. It was a totally Jewish kingdom and ‘multiculturalism’ was quite frowned upon back then… The fact that occasionally some corrupt rulers may have strayed from the path of virtue in the eyes of the prophet-on-duty doesn’t mean they actually converted to another religion. First, there were no other monotheistic religions to choose from (Jesus was still regarded as a Jew at the time), and second, people who practiced polytheism there tended to have a very short life expectancy once discovered… And of course, leftist progressive atheists were practically unheard of… So no, the millions were Jews, and that’s that.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        More mendacious stupidity. The Jewish kingdom was only part of Palestine, and your own history records the fact of other religions within the areas controlled by the Hebrews.

                        And that’s that? Yes, you have proven yourself an unrestrained liar trying desperately to justify the vast flood of atrocities unleashed by the evil European ZioNazi invaders of the indigenous people of Palestine, who were there by science for over ten thousand years.

                        Here is again what kind of evil the ZioNazi thugs afflicted the people of Palestine;


                        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

                        “On 14 or 15 May [1948], a 12-year-old girl was raped by two Haganah soldiers; there were also a number of attempted rapes. There was widespread institutional and private looting by Haganah and IZL [National Military Organization or Irgun] troops and Tel Aviv citizens who infiltrated the town, there was robbery on the roads by patrolling Jewish troops and there was widespread vandalisation of property. In genera, the inhabitants complained, they were ‘being incessantly molested.’

                        “The looting was so bad that Chizik appealed directly to Ben-Gurion, who on 22 May ordered the IZL and the Haganah to obey Chizik’s instructions. A senior Kiryati officer, Zvi Aurbach, made a point of washing his hands of any responsibility for property in Jaffa. On 25 May, on official reported:

                        “‘During the whole day I walked about the streets…I saw soldiers, civilians, military police, battalion police, looting, robbing, while breaking through doors and walls…’”

                        Benny Morris, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2004), 210-211.

                        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

            • Donna Ross

              You are 100% correct! If we could rid the world of Zionism, Wahhabism and imperialism things would be much, much better. Divorce
              Israel! Divorce
              Saudi Arabia! Leave Assad alone! Take care of America.

      • da6675

        You’re missing the whole point. I’s not just about stopping terrorism, it’s about not creating it in the first place. When the US/NATO illegally destroy entire nations, guess what, some of the natives actually get mad and do something about it. Just like Americans would if the US were invaded by armies.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          You’re right, but he didn’t miss the point. He’s a Zionist troll intent on calumniating the people his kind has been busily assaulting for over 130 years in order to justify their crimes.

    • kathy kalb

      We in the US will be attacked because our president has made us a week nation!

      • Russ

        it’ll get better once we go back to being ‘monthly’ nation.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Shedding blood only a few days a month? Impossible!

          • Russ

            it works for women

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Right! But Empire governments like ours have to do it everyday a whole lot.

      • TecumsehUnfaced

        A “week nation”, eh? The Deep State has softened your little mind as much as his.

      • James Wherry

        My only concern with this administration is that we have not left Afghanistan and that we are reducing troop strength without reducing our obligations abroad. End our mission in Afghanistan (11,000 troops), close down our “occupation” of Japan (44,000 troops), and end our mission in South Korea since no one is going to do anything about Kim Jung-un (33,000 troops). At that point, YES: You can and should reduce Big Government by reducing our armed forces by 88,000 troops.

        Take Kuwait and Bahrain, as well, while you’re at it, and possible close out western Germany (Wiesbaden and Baumholder). Keept Graf for training purposes, so long as it’s staffed by the Germans.

        At THAT point, military isolationism makes us STRONGER, not WEAKER, by avoiding “military adventurism” and “foreign entanglements.”

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Wow! You still haven’t figured out yet what General Smedley Butler figured out over 80 years ago.

        • TecumsehUnfaced

          Hey look! Whirry’s beloved ZioNazi thugs at work:

          Video Shows Israeli Commandos Rescuing Wounded Jihadists From Syria

          Nearly every night, Israeli special ops forces secretly rescue wounded fighters in Syria.

          http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43698.htm

          • James Wherry

            Piglet,

            There are a lot of Druze who serve with the IDF and Israel works with them. As such, the welfare and well-being of the Druze in Syria are never far from their minds.

            Originally the Israelis proposed a “safe zone” for Syria’s Druze. This was shot down, so to speak, by all sides, including the Druze. http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-weighs-safe-zone-for-syrias-embattled-druze/

            The result was an agreement with al-Nusra for medical attention. The condition was that al-Nusra, which controls the area just outside of the Druze areas, take no action against the Druze. The Druze religious leader welcomed the agreement and that was that.
            Bottomline: you lied. Rather than being “thugs,” Israel has served as the protector of yet another non-Muslim minority.

            • TecumsehUnfaced

              Piglet? You’re the only oinker here, little ZioNazi disinformation agent.

              So, everybody shot down another ZioNazi con game? What’s news about that?

              So now you admit that your ZioNazis are treating jihadis? But you have a cover story? What’s surprising about that?

              The welfare of Arabs never far from the minds of the ZioNazis? Is that why the ZioNazis invaded, built up an army of thugs to terrorize the indigenous people out of their homes, so the savage ZioNazis could bulldoze them?

              Sorry, little oinker ZioNazi, past ZioNazi conduct makes a liar out of you.

              • James Wherry

                Well I just figured, since you were back to name calling, a filthy neo-Nazi like you wouldn’t have any objection, as you murder Jews and rape little children – and rejoice at those who do. Or, are you still trying to peddle the lie that Thrace (for the Thrace Pogrom) was never in Turkey, so it could not have happened? How completely and utterly stupid.
                I take it back: pigs are WAY smarter than you.

                As to me, Yep: like any pig who roots our truffles, I’ve rooted out your lies, and so you are only reduced to name-calling.

                • TecumsehUnfaced

                  Hey, you’re the clown that started off with “Piglet”, so again you have just made an utter hypocrite of yourself.

                  Then you blare yourself an imbecile of bring up the Thrace pogrom done by a different people done at a different time when there were pogrom being done by people against other peoploe to justify your own outright bigotry and the evil crimes of the ZioNazi thug invaders of Palestine.

                  Then after oinking furiously your vast, insane bigotry, you call me a pig?

                  Then you hilariously and hypocritically complain of name-calling? You are a true reactionary and ZioNazi thug disinformation agent.

                  Grow up and realize that if you just stop lying that you won’t have problem with me stepping on you evil smear jobs.

                  • James Wherry

                    But isn’t that what you want? Just mindless name-calling? It’s all you do. No intelligence, no substance and no useful information.
                    Besides, as you always tell me, “So long as you support the vicious, savage Palestinian Arabs, I’m not insulting you, ‘I’m just telling the truth.'”

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      I’m not name calling. You are.

                      I just want you to stop pushing the evil ZioNazi con game that has plunged millions of people into misery.

                      • James Wherry

                        No, YOU are the one who is name calling, I am not.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        I understand that you consider savage invasions, ethnic cleansing, and brutal occupations with continuing land grabbing perfectly okay if done by European ZioNazis.

                        Remember, until the invasion of the ZioNazi thugs start in 1882, the Arab Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived together much more peaceably that the European, from which the save European ZioNazis had arisen.

                        So all the vast troubles starting with the ZioNazi invasion, and all the fault is theirs. That’s history.

                      • James Wherry

                        I have no idea why you would come to that understanding. YOU are the one plotting a genocide of the Jews. That’s why I know you are a Naz!

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        See why I consider you a lying pig? I never gave any basis to that slanderous accusation.

                        I just want to see the victims of the foul ZioNazis to be relieved of their misery. But history shows that the ZioNazis plan to take it all, so the ZioNazi thug state must end. The rich ones that put the ZioNazis into Palestine have an obligation to take them out and settle elsewhere in various places.

                      • Donna Ross

                        You are correct! Originally, Ottoman controlled Palestine had about 5% Jews, about 28% Christians and the rest Muslims. They were all most likely descendants of the ancient Israelites. They lived in harmony. Go to you tube and see the film of 1896 Palestine by the Lumiere brothers. All of the problems began when the Zionists began arriving, most of whom were descendants of European converts to Judaism from the 700s, CE. And the Zionazis don’t just want all of Palestine, they want the Oded Yinon plan. And Zionists wonder why people hate them?

                      • TecumsehUnfaced
                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        The 1896 Palestine film by the Lumiere brothers is excellent.

                        There is also this:

                        Israel history since 1878 the truth about…
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XydXJ1J_ZY0&list=PL5B15211314413CD7

                    • TecumsehUnfaced

                      See? You are so sick that you slander the vitims of the evil ZioNazi thugs as “vicious, savage Palestinian Arabs.”

                      • James Wherry

                        See? You are so sick that you slander the victims of evil Naz! and Palestinian Arab thugs as “vicious, savage Zionists.”

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        They invaded and assaulted the indigenous people, not the other way around. They are still brutally occupying and stealing Palestinians land, so you’re doing a good job of making yourself look ridiculous.

                      • James Wherry

                        I sent you the example of he Hungarian Jews who moved to the area in the 1860s and relations were fine.

                        The Palestinian Arabs attacked and murdered Jews without the lying distinction you have made up for your own uses. The 1929 Hebron massacre was on the 500-year old Hebron community. You look stupid, when you pretend there was an invasion. If the Palestinian Arabs assaulted refugees, then they got what they deserve. just like any red neck in the USA who was to assault refugees in our country.

                      • TecumsehUnfaced

                        Oh, for pity’s sake, that was only a few who weren’t trying to take over like the ZioNazi thugs that started coming in 1882 financed by Rothschild money.

                        The 1929 Hebron Jews were largely rescued by their neighbors, who didn’t against their old friends feel the same anger and hate the invading ZioNazi thugs were producing. Sorry, you despicable lies to cover up the predatory attacks of the invading ZioNazis don’t work with the educated.

                        No matter how much you wiggle and prevaricate, the ZioNazi leaders themselves betray their intent to seize the land from the indigenes and drive them out.